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Topic: Effect / Routine / Act
Message: Posted by: Utkarsh Sinha (Apr 24, 2006 07:25AM)
I've seen these words at many places and websites. Is there some major difference between them or are they used interchangebly?
Message: Posted by: DomKabala (Apr 24, 2006 07:52AM)
An Act uses routines and routines are comprised of effects.
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Message: Posted by: Jonathan Kelly (Apr 24, 2006 07:59AM)
Well to me the effect is whatever magic is happening, eg. a card being inserted into the middle of the deck and appearing on top instantaneously, as in the Ambitious Card routine.

The routine is what you use to turn this effect into a entertaining piece of magic. In the Ambitious Card routine you put the card in the middle of the deck, it's on top, then you get the spectator to do it, again back on top then you bend the card, put it in the middle, and still it pops to the top. The effect is essentially the same (card from middle of the deck jumps to the top) but you have now seemingly done it 3 different ways. You now have an entertaining routine that you can add to your act.

Your act is what you do when you perform. All the routines you use and your persona fall into this category. In essense if you are being hired to do a show, the customer is hiring your act.

That's my interpretation of those 3 words. Hope that makes sense.

Jonathan.
Message: Posted by: Jaz (Apr 24, 2006 02:47PM)
You make sense.

Effects are transpositions, penetrations, restorations, animations, etc, etc.

Routines are a series of Effects combined.

The Act is a series of Routines.

How about the word Trick?
I'd say Trick is a layperson term for a single effect or a routine.

Now I hope I made sense. :)
Message: Posted by: JackScratch (Apr 24, 2006 05:13PM)
Effect - The mechanical happenings in a performance of magic, The coin vanishs, The card appears, etc.

Routine - The mono/dialog surounding an effect. Takes into consideration writing and what the writing is intended to evoke emotionaly from the audience. May refer either to the writing and blocking surrounding a single effect or the writing and blocking surrounding an entire events performance.

Act - almost synonomous with routine. Generaly used to refer to the begining to end of a performance. May also be used to refer to an individuals intended character during a performance.
Message: Posted by: Jerseymagician (Apr 24, 2006 08:48PM)
Jackscratch has it in a nutshell, for example: Svengali

their are many possible effects all same/different, the knife through deck, multiple piles, whatever
all of these effects combined form the actual routine, and the act is made of multiple routines. Kinda?
Message: Posted by: JackScratch (Apr 24, 2006 10:46PM)
I would say, and I do not speak as the final authority on the subject, that these words are not an absolute progression. An act is a routine, but a routine need not be a complete act. Effect is a word I always recomend replacing "trick" with. Though I do not flinch when the word "trick" is used, I simply find "effect" to be a much better word, more accurate one might say. While "routine" and "act" are not completely interchangable, they are very close.
Message: Posted by: Utkarsh Sinha (Apr 25, 2006 05:49AM)
Thanks everyone! Great explanations!
Message: Posted by: John LeBlanc (Apr 25, 2006 10:52AM)
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On 2006-04-24 23:46, JackScratch wrote:
Effect is a word I always recomend replacing "trick" with. Though I do not flinch when the word "trick" is used, I simply find "effect" to be a much better word, more accurate one might say. [/quote]

In my opinion:

Effect: Mentally selected card turns face up in a face down deck.
Trick: Invisible Deck

Effect: Selected card repeatedly returns to the top of the deck.
Trick: Ambitious Card

Effect: When dealing a deck of cards one card at a time, the spectator's stopped at card matches a prediction card.
Trick: Five Star Miracle

Effect: In a face down four-ace packet, in turn each ace turns face up.
Trick: Twisting the Aces

Effect: A folded playing card passing through a folded dollar bill turns inside out.
Trick: Greenwarp

John

P.S. Of course, I am willing to admit there are a few tricks that blur the lines in this argument:

Effect: A newspaper is torn and restored
Trick: Torn and Restored Newspaper

Effect: A rope is cut and restored
Trick: Cut and Restored Rope

Effect: A handkerchief stuffed into a closed fist disappears
Trick: Disappearing Handkerchief
Message: Posted by: JackScratch (Apr 25, 2006 12:03PM)
Hardly an arguement, I think. I do not disagree with your usage, John. I use the word "effect" as you use it, but I use it where you use the word "trick" as well. That being said, I don't believe that the way you are using them is incorrect. I think this is largely a question of taste and style. To my mind, the word "trick" evokes thoughts of dishonesty. Agreed this is purely an emotional response, but I like to seperate what we do from the dishonest trades as much as possible. I say "effect", because my desire is to entertain, not "fool". That doesn't mean that you using the word "trick" means you wish the opposite, it simply means we look at this in different ways. I find that defining words is not nearly as important as imparting your meaning clearly, and I know from experience that you, John, are exceptional in your ability to do just that. I also know, however, that subliminal effects are useful in public speaking of any kind, and so this is one place I have chosen to try to influence my audiences emotions using such a tactic.