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Topic: Amen wardy?
Message: Posted by: stannmaple (Apr 26, 2006 05:26PM)
Hey, I read some things here on the Café about some latex fruit made by amen wardy. Is this company still around. Anything I've found on the internet about them is a dead-end. Do you know where I can get this fruit? I've considered buying Ammar's fruit, but I've heard that amen wardy may be even better. If anyone has any info on these or any latex fruit out there, please let me know. Thanks
Dann
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Apr 26, 2006 07:08PM)
Their index page is still up, but the rest of them seem to be dead.

There was another company that had some nice fake fruit. However, let me say that most of it that I have seen advertised has been rather large. Mike's new line of fake fruit combined with his smaller cups are ideal for walkaround. His lemon and his lime are really works of art. His tomato is very nice, too.

The turnip looks like a real turnip, and his potato looks like a russet potato or new potato. Both of these are fairly small. But they work with his cups.

These people http://www.faxfoods.com/ are still in business. You might check them out.

None of this stuff is actually latex, though. Latex really isn't suitable. It will crater after a while. These fruits, I believe, are made from a silicone RTV type of plastic.
Message: Posted by: Chessmann (Apr 26, 2006 07:54PM)
Is the Fab Fruit hard, or more cushy? Curious about the possibility of talking between cup and fruit.
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Apr 26, 2006 08:21PM)
The Fab Fruit has a solid feel, but it is not a hard surfaced item. The lemon feels almost exactly like a lemon. If you drop it into the cup from a height, it would make a noise, but it's got excellent "load" characteristics.
Message: Posted by: Mitch Schneiter (Apr 26, 2006 08:23PM)
I can't answer about Ammar's Fab Fruit but the fruit from Fax Foods is hard (but rubbery) and very realistic looking. I've had a lemon and lime of their's for close to ten years and they still look good. I placed the lime among 3 limes I bought at the store the other day and I couldn't tell which was the fake one. No one has ever questioned their validity. While I bought them quite awhile back I assume their quality is still as good.

Bill, could you answer if the Fab Fruit will fit the RNTII PF style cups? And if so is the fruit too small of a load for them? Thanks.
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Apr 26, 2006 08:58PM)
The current Fab Fuit -- the new version -- is a bit small for the RnT II PF cups. They look big coming out of the Ammar cups, though.
Message: Posted by: Christopher Moro (Apr 27, 2006 01:44AM)
The lemon and lime are roughly the size of a Mike Rogers Final Load Baseball (roughly since they are oblong in shape). The turnip is a bit smaller than that, and as Bill mentioned, the new potato and the new tomato are both very small. Coming out of a standard "lacrosse ball-sized" cup, they look relatively small. More "cute" than anything else. The Ammar cups are just a little bit smaller than the Sisti cups (which are also "lacrosse ball-sized") and "fill" them better. All the fruit look very real. The new potato, while smaller now, looks even more realistic than the older version.

Posted: Apr 27, 2006 2:46am
To answer Mark's question above: I don't think the fruit will talk during the load unless you drop them as opposed to "covering" them.
Message: Posted by: stannmaple (Apr 27, 2006 07:36AM)
As far as the fruit not "talking" are we speaking about fab fruit or fax fruit? I'm on an incredibly tight budget unfortunately right now, so I'm looking for something relatively inexpensive. Right now I'm using walmart lemons for my cups and balls. They are too loud for my liking, but are made of polyfoam and not hard plastic, so they are not as loud as they could be. I'd like to find a load where I don't have to worry about the sound though. I know fab fruit would be perfect for this, but if there is anything else out there similar, I'd be very interested. Thanks for all the help.
Dann
Message: Posted by: Christopher Moro (Apr 27, 2006 08:30AM)
I was speaking of the Fab Fruit. I have no experience with Amen Wardy fruit or any other fruit besides the hard plastic kind which wouldn't work anyway. Hopefully someone who does will chime in. I'm sure there's someone.
Message: Posted by: KirkG (Apr 27, 2006 11:06AM)
If you can't afford the best, use real fruit. It makes a difference. And real fruit is cheap.
Message: Posted by: stannmaple (Apr 27, 2006 11:44AM)
I agree. Over time though, the price adds up and it is a pain going to the grocery store every time I want to do a show. I'm starting to think that maybe the investment in the Ammar fruit might just be worth it. I didn't see dimensions on his site though. It said "perfect for the Ammar cups" but I couldn't find the "Ammar cups" anywhere on the site. Does anyone know the dimensions of the fruit (or cups)? What I like about the walmart lemons is that they are ALMOST too big for the cups so when they come out, it looks like they almost couldn't have even fit in the cups. It's a very nice effect at the end and always gets a gasp. I feel, however, that I have to pay too much attention to not making noise, and I'd rather focus on my technique and not worry about noise. Any help on the dimensions of the Ammar fruit would be appreciated. I might just go for it.
Dann
Message: Posted by: Glenn Godsey (Apr 27, 2006 12:43PM)
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On 2006-04-27 12:44, stannmaple wrote:
....It said "perfect for the Ammar cups" but I couldn't find the "Ammar cups" anywhere on the site.....
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Michael said the cups will be back up in a few days. They are only made in small runs and he takes them off the site between runs.

Best regards,
Glenn Godsey
Message: Posted by: Christopher Moro (Apr 27, 2006 06:02PM)
I just measured the Fab Fruit (the February 2006 versions). This is approximate since they are odd-shaped:

Lemon - 2" X 2 1/2" (incluing the stub)
Lime - just under 2 1/8" X 2 7/16" (with stub)
Turnip - 2 3/16" X 2 3/16" (not a perfect circle, but those are the longest sides)
Potato - 2 1/16" X 1 1/2 "
Tomato - 2" X 1 3/4" plus a short stem

Terrific products, but definitely on the small side since Michael fashioned these specifically for his small set of cups.
Message: Posted by: stannmaple (Apr 27, 2006 06:06PM)
Got it. Thanks for the info
Dann
Message: Posted by: Mr. Muggle (Apr 28, 2006 03:37AM)
I thought his old potatoes were small until I read the dimensions for the new lineup; those new potatoes are too small for me.

Does anyone know if Ammar plans to offer a PF size Fab Fruit lineup anytime in the future? I'd be willing to spend some good money for a larger set if they were of the same caliber.
Message: Posted by: Christopher Moro (Apr 28, 2006 08:47AM)
This is a good question and one that was on my mind as well. Might be a good time to ask Michael on his thread while he's here. Although...I doubt he'd go to the lengths to make them larger, when he just got through engineering smaller ones. Couldn't hurt to ask though. I'd buy.
Message: Posted by: Glenn Godsey (Apr 28, 2006 02:49PM)
Michael was here this week....I watched his routine up close and examined the fruit and his stubby little cups. Although his routine is excellent, to me, the least impressive thing about it was his final loads. They are just too small, even with the very small cups. They would look tiny coming out of the RnT II.V cups (which I have).

This is not to be critical...Michael designed the fruits so that four fit in two jacket side pockets without being too lumpy and they work well for that. But, I would only consider the fruits if I were going to get his cups too.

Best regards,
Glenn Godsey
Message: Posted by: Mitch Schneiter (Apr 28, 2006 04:58PM)
Does anyone know if they are too big for the RNTII Mini PF style cups?
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Apr 28, 2006 05:13PM)
Yes, they are all too big.
Message: Posted by: Christopher Moro (Apr 29, 2006 12:11AM)
That was a good question, Mitch. I wondered the same.
Glenn, I really think the lemon and lime would do just fine coming out of a standard sized cup that takes a lacrosse ball as it's max load (Fox, et al). But yes, I agree the other fruit are dwarfed. There is something to be said for having less bulge though.
Message: Posted by: stannmaple (Apr 29, 2006 08:20AM)
Did the fab fruit used to be bigger?
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Apr 29, 2006 10:39AM)
Yes.
Message: Posted by: Mr. Muggle (Apr 29, 2006 02:49PM)
Although the older sets of Fab Fruit still were not large enough to fill a Paul Fox cup....atleast the ones that I own don't. I don't worry about buldges in my pants due to the way that I load- so I'm looking for a quality rubber set of fruit.
Message: Posted by: Christopher Moro (Apr 30, 2006 12:26AM)
The (slightly) older ones I have didn't fill a PF size cup either, but they were quite larger (tomato & potato) and looked good coming out of the cup. Hannah offered to replace my older fruit with the newer smaller ones. Nice offer, but I respectfully declined since I find the larger more versatile.
Message: Posted by: Steve Brooks (May 1, 2006 05:25AM)
If you work all the time, there is nothing worse than forgetting you left some fruit in your close-up case, then return a few days later only to discover a strange science experiment has been taking place amongst your props. :eek:

That said, I have a set of the older Fab Fruit that Michael use to sell, consisting of the lemon, lime, potato and the turnip. They look and feel absolutely real, minus the smell (although the first time I saw Michael's Fab Fruit at an old A-1 convention the lemon actually had a lemon smell). Add to that, they also have the [i]weight[/i] that one would expect from the real thing, so your handling will not look odd to an audience (as opposed to how you would handle some cheap and hollow plastic imitations which have little weight to them).

Regarding the [b]Amen Wardy[/b] fruit - fantastic, all of it. I purchased a tangerine (to go with my Ammar lemon and lime) and it's absolutely perfect. It makes all the loads have a citris theme I guess. I also bought a nectarine from Wardy, looks and feels good enough to eat. I have no idea about their internet situation, but I purchased all my stuff at their store in Las Vegas about a year or so ago - the shop is located in the mall at Ceasar's Palace. HIGHLY recommended. :smoke:
Message: Posted by: Christopher Moro (May 9, 2006 05:40AM)
Very informative reply, Steve. Thank you.
Message: Posted by: ftlum (Aug 31, 2009 03:02PM)
Can anyone tell me if the faxfoods lemons will fit in a Sherwood cup?

I have the older Fab Fruit from Ammar, but there a little small and not as lemon shaped as I'd like. I also got some high-quality lemons from Amen Wardy (?) awhile back, but they are a little too big; the cup won't sit down fully.

Are there any other high-quality fake lemons out there that would fit?

thanks,

Frank
Message: Posted by: Alan Munro (Aug 31, 2009 03:48PM)
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On 2006-04-27 12:44, stannmaple wrote:
I feel, however, that I have to pay too much attention to not making noise, and I'd rather focus on my technique and not worry about noise.
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I have my own solution to this, but it requires that the final loads be balls, instead of fruit. Gary Oisten had a solution in that he used latex caulk in his cups as a sound dampener. He loads cue balls and I've never noticed any talking.
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Aug 31, 2009 05:26PM)
[quote]
On 2009-08-31 16:02, Frank L. wrote:
Can anyone tell me if the faxfoods lemons will fit in a Sherwood cup?

I have the older Fab Fruit from Ammar, but there a little small and not as lemon shaped as I'd like. I also got some high-quality lemons from Amen Wardy (?) awhile back, but they are a little too big; the cup won't sit down fully.

Are there any other high-quality fake lemons out there that would fit?

thanks,

Frank
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If you look at the diameters as quoted on the FaxFoods web site, you will see that the lemons and limes are larger than tennis balls. Therefore, I suppose that no matter how you got the fruit into the cups, your Sherwoods would be overloaded.

You might consider using smaller fruits, such as strawberries.

I don't know anyone else who is making this kind of thing, but a google search might prove fruitful, so to speak.
Message: Posted by: BSutter (Sep 1, 2009 07:11AM)
Might try here: http://www.barnardltd.com/catalog.jsp?catId=73

Bill
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Sep 1, 2009 12:54PM)
Their list of items bears a look. If I were going to purchase any fruit from any source, I would call them and explain what the limitations I have are.

Remember, Sherwood cups won't take anything larger than a tennis ball. That's 2.57 inches in diameter. Paul Fox cups won't take anything larger than a lacrosse ball (on the lower permissible limit of diameter of same) 2.47 inches in diameter.

Bernard has some really nice figs, strawberries and plums.