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Topic: Riffle Stacking
Message: Posted by: Tomasio! (May 8, 2006 09:21AM)
Hi all,

I've been a member of this forum for some time but I haven't posted much yet.
I'd like to share with you some riffle stacking I've taped.
I hope that you guys are willing to share your thoughts with me so that we all can enjoy our wonderfull art and even improve our handling.

The question is if some of you have experience with riffle stacking and also including this in you reportoire. I hope to do this one day. Maybe you could give me some extra pointers or share some knowledge from your own experience.

Thanks for watching and sharing.

the clip:
(music by: Crazy Town : Butterfly)

Message: Posted by: Andrei (May 8, 2006 04:02PM)
Hey Tom. The stack looked good. Don't say "the Ace is in our hole" or anything like that, though.

Message: Posted by: Craig Krisulevicz (May 8, 2006 06:13PM)
Didn't look too bad at all. It might not stand up to some magicians' critiques, but it'll fly by the average joe at the average game. Also, I'm not a fan of the open hand position; but that's just me.
Message: Posted by: Chris Bruce (May 11, 2006 08:42PM)
Hi Tom,

You know what? Your riffle stacking is actually really good.

I have never used riffle stacking professionally but have done some demonstrations for friends etc. I'm sure that you have read Darwin Ortiz at the Card Table so you have be exposed his riffle stacking routines (i.e. Fast Shuffle) Also, Earnest Earick has a great riffle stacking routine; but applied to Blackjack; in By Forces Unseen. The routine is called The Case of the Inconsisent Players. I have tried both of them and they are very good routines in the right setting.

Trouble with riffle stacking is you have to be sitting....;)

Message: Posted by: MojoMagi (May 11, 2006 09:25PM)
You don't have to be sitting to riffle stack...
Message: Posted by: Tomasio! (May 12, 2006 04:38AM)

Thank you. I'm planning to use this is a routine as a demonstration. That one sentence, yes, which that I had left it out. But I did tape it once, if I do tape it again some time I think more about the patter.

@Craig Krisulevicz

Good to hear. I'm still practicing and trying to improve the handling. The open method of shuffling is something I've practiced. I should try an practice the close method aswell

@Chris Bruce

Thank you, glad you think so. I also want to try some demonstrations as you did.
I know it's a shame but I haven't read Darwin Ortiz at the Card Table (yet). It's still on my "to buy list".
I also haven't read: By Forces Unseen. Good book of what I hear. Is there more gambling material in it?
I've been doing gambling/cheating for 1,5 years now and there are so many books I haven't read on the subject. It will take me some time I guess.
I just ordered a copy of Juan Tamariz' Mnemonica, and Darwin Ortiz' book: the Annotated Erdnase I have high expectations of both books.
I have Darwin Ortiz' Scams & Fantasies and there is also a trick with riffle stacking involved: Shark Attack. I like the effect. Still, I'm not familiar with the "block transfer" Need to find that out.

Indeed true. I sometimes practice standing but it's more difficult when you're used to sitting at a table. I'd like to do a routine sitting but it would be great be able doing it both standing and sitting.

Message: Posted by: Paul H (May 12, 2006 10:14AM)
Hi Tom,

I also liked your riffle stacking and the modest way you present yourself. In Darwin's 'At the Card Table' the seminal riffle stacking effect in my opinion is 'Fast Shuffle'. The effect is to riffle shuffle and stack the four aces to the fifth/dealers hand in four shuffles, then two shuffles and finally in one super fast single riffle shuffle taking less than a second. I have developed a simplified handling of this excellent demonstration of skill which confines the riffles just holding back four cards on each shuffle. When you get round to 'At the Card Table' a superb collection of gambling and card magic material, and your still interested, PM me and I'll let you have my handling to play around with.


Paul H
Message: Posted by: bishthemagish (May 12, 2006 11:11AM)
Try the Triumph stack using the Dai Vernon triumph shuffle I wrote up in the secret sessions section of the Café.

Message: Posted by: tommy (May 12, 2006 11:47AM)
Very good indeed Tom. Very natural and relaxed unlike many I have seen when staking.
Glen gives a great a great tip for deep staking.

So what more gambling stuff can you show us?
Message: Posted by: Tomasio! (May 13, 2006 04:39AM)
@Paul H
Thank you for the nice words. I'm planning to get Darwin Ortiz at the Card Table. I like Darwin's way of thinking and presentation. And of course his skill with a deck of cards is superb.
I will pm you when I've read that part of the book. It's nice of you to share your experience with me. Thanks!

I will take a look at that paricular stack in that section. Haven't been there yet. Is it accesable for people who are not premium members...?

Thank you, I'm glad you liked it. I try if I can see Glenn's work on that deep riffle stacking. I'm not familiar with that term (yet).

"So what more gambling stuff can you show us?"

I also have posted a clip about Eight Perfect Faros. It's not in this section. Already posted it in another section before I noticed that this is a better spot.
It is in the "Shuffled not Stirred" section.

When I think of gambling, since we're in the gambling spot, I also think of dice.
I also like to do some dice stacking in a gambling demonstration. Sort of a bonus.

Here I will list the roughly thoughts of my gambling routine I had in mind in that particular order:

Open a new deck of cards:
1 false shuffles/ cuts
2 second deal (face down, face up, stud)
3 bottom deal (face down, face up, stud)
4 the pass (classic, turover, whoops!)
5 greek deal
6 stacking (overhand, riffle, faro)
7 estimation
closer: three card monte
bonus: dice stacking.

Performance time: +/- 30 minutes.

Maybe some of you have experience in performing, and you'd also like to share those thoughts with me.


Message: Posted by: bishthemagish (May 13, 2006 08:50AM)
You should also check out my mumbo jumbo video theater at my web site. This has video of Charlie Miller doing second dealing and the push pull through shuffle. And other video that my be of some interest.