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Topic: My thoughts on Thought Transmitter
Message: Posted by: Schaden (Dec 7, 2002 12:25AM)
This was a big waste of money. This is a prop a magi would carry around. Any mentalist can find out the info with a center tear. It isn't very practical because you have to do it in a light area. Handling is very bad because, you have to stair at the case. You can only get small numbers or cards. Forget about trying to "transmit" the info to a spectator like it says. They will find out how the method works. Don't waste your time get the SUC.


I give it
1.23421245/10
Message: Posted by: bigplumbz (Dec 7, 2002 07:45AM)
get the SUC???? whats this?
Message: Posted by: John Clarkson (Dec 7, 2002 10:50AM)
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On 2002-12-07 08:45, bigplumbz wrote:
get the SUC???? whats this?
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It's the Sight Unseen Case, marketed by Mark Striving.

About the Thought Transmitter. Give yourself an excuse to "stare at it" if you really need to. I have the spectator put a rubber band around it after they have written their thought and drop it into a ZipLock baggie I considerately hold open for them. After they drop the TT into the bag, I have them seal the bag as I hold the TT through the bag (to HELP them, mind you). They then hand the bag to another person to hold who will be the independent person who verifies the accuracy of my declaration about the thought.

Actually, I have the SUC and like it a lot. However, it does NOT permit any bigger area for information than the TT.

:nose:
Message: Posted by: Mr Secret-ary (Dec 7, 2002 11:28AM)
Pyro, couldn't disagree more. All of the problems you mention are easily surmounted with some thought, and it is an absolutely killer peek. I am proud to say than none other than a certain D Brown esq professed himself newly impressed with the gadget, when I showed him how I used it, and dug his own out of a drawer! I too have and like SUC, but don't think it's suited to the AMAZING effect for a spectator, of them reading MY thought. TT does this perfectly, and that's the effect which first sold it to me.
Message: Posted by: charliemagic (Dec 7, 2002 12:10PM)
jdclarkson, your routine is exactly the method I have been using.I was shown the handling from Bob Elliot when he came back from a SAM convention a few years ago & used ever since..KILLS!
as far as the SUC, I have it & it (IMHO)it pales next to the TT.
With the Zip Lock bag method you can take multiple glimpses in case you miss the first time,with SUC you may have to stare to read what the spectator wrote;I got caught taking too long a look 7 teh spectator knew I was looking at something. I like SUC but...
TT is so much better as you had the spectator handle it before & you can have them do so after too.
Message: Posted by: bigplumbz (Dec 7, 2002 06:38PM)
ok,so a spec can also apparant read your thoughts with the TT? sounds interesting...could someone describe this idea for me please?
thanx
bryan
Message: Posted by: Garrett Nelson (Dec 7, 2002 08:50PM)
It seems like it can be a lot more logical to find a way to look at the Thought Transmitter (I, too, use the rubber band) than to come up with a good reason to have somone write a prediction & tear it up.

Just a thought...
Message: Posted by: Schaden (Dec 7, 2002 09:30PM)
I still don't agree. A center tear could get the information a lot easier. The one side of the TT looks very fake. You can't use it in dimmed conditions. I guess you can send it to a spectator but it is to hard to convice them that they are seeing the information and not a *****. I would like to see how you present the "send of thought" to a spec. Mr Secretary can you PM me and tell me your presentation?
Message: Posted by: amshake (Dec 7, 2002 10:03PM)
again, i have to disagree, I sold the TT for a while at a shop, and as long as you don't make a big deal out of the peek, and it does take practice(something not uncommon between magicians), you can even use it in a dimmed situation of you are aware of what is going on, and use appropriate misdirection!!
Message: Posted by: dpe666 (Dec 7, 2002 10:07PM)
As I have said before, the Thought Transmitter is a GREAT tool for pre-show work. :devilish:
Message: Posted by: John Clarkson (Dec 7, 2002 11:37PM)
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On 2002-12-07 13:10, charliemagic wrote:
jdclarkson, your routine is exactly the method I have been using.I was shown the handling from Bob Elliot when he came back from a SAM convention a few years ago & used ever since..KILLS!
as far as the SUC, I have it & it (IMHO)it pales next to the TT.
With the Zip Lock bag method you can take multiple glimpses in case you miss the first time,with SUC you may have to stare to read what the spectator wrote;I got caught taking too long a look 7 teh spectator knew I was looking at something. I like SUC but...
TT is so much better as you had the spectator handle it before & you can have them do so after too.
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Hmmm, I've been around so long I often don't know which ideas are my own and which I have picked up over the years. So, the ZipLockt was Bob Elliot's idea?

About the SUC. I hold it up, perpendicular to the floor so that I am staring right at the goodies, put a rubberband around it (to prevent any trickery) and take all the time I need. After the rubber band is on, I toss it aside as though it no longer had any importance ("hot" side down, of course). Later, I remove the band, open the SUC, and have even let another spectator remove the card to "verify" that there the first spectator was not just going along with me to be polite. I am getting about equal reaction to SUC and TT.

:nose:
Message: Posted by: Doug Byrd (Dec 8, 2002 07:59AM)
I introduce the wallet with a rubberband already around it. I have my victim hold their hand out and place the rubberband around their wrist (notice I did not say anything about snapping them). Introduce the wallet and explain my experiment to the victim.
When they are finished and tell me it is closed I take the wallet from their hand with my right index and thumb on the spine only other fingers held out of the way. I bring it up to eye level with the spectator and ask them to take the band off their wrist and and place it around the wallet. This affords me all the time I need to gleen the info. Once they have placed the band I place it back in their hand and have them cover it with their other hand sandwiching it in between. I now make a connection to them by touch the top and bottom of the sandwich with only my middle fingers and looking the victim straight in the eyes do my best reading.

This never fails to kill for me.
Doug
Message: Posted by: bigplumbz (Dec 8, 2002 09:18AM)
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On 2002-12-08 08:59, Doug Byrd wrote:
I introduce the wallet with a rubberband already around it. I have my victim hold their hand out and place the rubberband around their wrist.

Liking the usage of the word "VICTIM" thats quite cool, poor sods....made me giggle!
Bryan
Message: Posted by: Greg Arce (Dec 8, 2002 04:53PM)
I love the TT and use it often. For the true mentalist try this, don't try to take a long peek. I just put the wallet away in my top pocket and see what in can in that second it travels there. What if you don't see the whole word? Great. Use the letters you got. What if they drew a picture and you couldn't recognize it? Great. Draw what little you saw or could make out. What if you didn't see all the numbers? Great. Call out the ones you saw and say you can't get the other two because they are not coming in clearly. You're a psychic right? Sometimes it seems better when you don't score a 100%. My best reactions came when I had to scramble for what I saw and just go with it. My presentation is to have them take a trip anywhere on the earth and write down where they went, or who they saw, or if it was an object they were near, or a person, or were they on something or in something. .. Anything! The thrill I get knowing that when I get my peek will be the first time I even have a clue as to what it is makes it all worthwhile. Try giving yourself a little bit of a barricade from the information so you start thinking on your feet. I think any peek devices should be treated this way because it makes you come off as the real thing.
Just my opinion.
Greg
Message: Posted by: charliemagic (Dec 8, 2002 06:39PM)
jdclarkson, when you said:
'Hmmm, I've been around so long I often don't know which ideas are my own and which I have picked up over the years. So, the ZipLockt was Bob Elliot's idea?'
Sorry if I implied that it was Bob's idea.
He was shown it at the SAM convention a few years ago,he did not say who did it.
It is a great presentation.
Message: Posted by: Greg Arce (Dec 8, 2002 06:43PM)
I just reread the ZipLoc use... Wow! That is brilliant. Although I will continue to use my presentation, do you mind if from time to time I throw in the ZipLoc bag when I do it for a bigger group?
Greg
Message: Posted by: charliemagic (Dec 8, 2002 09:18PM)
Greg Arce,
As far as i am concerned it is
'Public Domain'.
Use it & enjoy!
Message: Posted by: Greg Arce (Dec 8, 2002 10:32PM)
I like to ask permission so thanks for the use of a great idea.
Greg
Message: Posted by: Jones (Dec 9, 2002 10:38AM)
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On 2002-12-08 17:53, Greg Arce wrote:
I just put the wallet away in my top pocket and see what in can in that second it travels there. What if you don't see the whole word? Great. Use the letters you got. What if they drew a picture and you couldn't recognize it? Great. Draw what little you saw or could make out. What if you didn't see all the numbers? Great. Call out the ones you saw and say you can't get the other two because they are not coming in clearly. You're a psychic right? Sometimes it seems better when you don't score a 100%.
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Thought provoking post Greg. I Don't do much mentalism but you've made me realise that when I do, I'm too "clinical."
I once thought I'd missed the peek so I took the TT back out of my pocket and suggested somebody else look after it - turned out I fluffed the second peek and was right first time. I didn't cope with the result very well. :mad:

Ian
Message: Posted by: yosef_dov (Dec 9, 2002 03:40PM)
Greetings...
The first time I saw TT used was like this: spec wrote something, then magi took TT and put it down, and took pen from the spec, concentrating on the pen... then worked up to the "transmitted thought"...

EVERYONE watching was CERTAIN the PEN was gimmicked in some way, and people were grabbing at the pen and studying it... NOT a SINGLE person in the crowd thought of looking at the wallet...

JN
:stuckinbag:
Message: Posted by: charliemagic (Dec 9, 2002 05:57PM)
yosef_dov
Very very nice presentation.
Great misdirection, thanks for sharing.
I may try it.
Message: Posted by: Greg Arce (Dec 9, 2002 11:00PM)
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On 2002-12-09 11:38, Jones wrote:
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Thought provoking post Greg. I Don't do much mentalism but you've made me realise that when I do, I'm too "clinical."
I once thought I'd missed the peek so I took the TT back out of my pocket and suggested somebody else look after it - turned out I fluffed the second peek and was right first time. I didn't cope with the result very well. :mad:

Ian
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A little bit of a struggle is a good thing. Night after night when I do my stuff at the Hat & Hare in The Castle, I start by saying, "Sorry to say I don't do the standard card and coin magic everyone does... I do psychic experiments... and they are experiments... they could go wrong." By saying that anytime I've goofed it has come across as being more real than if I was right on the button. When I have a set that has worked perfectly then I tend to be slightly off on my last effect. It's great to do mentalism because when you do magic they expect you to always find the card, but not in mentalism. Sticking with the TT theory, I once told someone to draw a simple picture when I got the pick all I saw was something that looked like a small rectangle with another line running about a third into the rectangle. I thought that they decided to draw some simple picture so I started drawing. I would say things like, "Hmm? I'm getting a line here and there's one here..." I slowly made the picture without even really knowing what it was. Well, the reaction I was getting was really strong. When I finished, they were in shock and I said, "I'm sorry if I didn't get it exactly right, but sometimes the image comes either a bit fuzzy or not oriented right like backwards." This got a bigger reaction and I didn't know why. Until I pulled out what they had drawn to confirm if I was correct. What had happened is they turned the wallet to draw and when I looked at it it was now turned 90 degrees... What was it? A glass of water. Think about the two pictures and you'll see what I mean.
Greg
Message: Posted by: Michael Peterson (Dec 10, 2002 12:29AM)
I love my Thought Transmitter even more now, lot's great stuff here guys! :righton:



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Message: Posted by: Steve Hoffman (Dec 10, 2002 12:37AM)
Sure, TT has its limitations but so does center tear. With TT the spec can be writing down the thought so that we have a record of it, to verify the magi. With a center tear, there is that weird paradox of "why write something down if you're just going to tear it up?" (I know there are ways of handling that -- Docc Hilford has a whole book on the subject! -- but my point is it requires thought jsut as the TT does.)

Certainly, the TT doesn't quite make sense as an ordinary, everyday object. Yet in practice with laypeople for some reason no one ever questions it, or demands to examine it closely, etc. Especially if the magi handles it somewhat nonchalantly.

Steve Hoffman
Message: Posted by: Neznarf (Sep 1, 2004 10:00PM)
I've used the same Thought Transmitter for over 7 years with the same battery. I use mine wih ESP cards. Then you don't have a problem viewing letters or numbers upside down or sideways.

Then have Tony Clark's snake find the chosen ESP card. (I hope I worded that correct)

Amazing & Funny!
Message: Posted by: IanKendall (Nov 3, 2004 10:09AM)
Strangely, I also use a plastic bag to hold the TT and like everyone else, I thought it was my idea :)

Everyone will think of the good ones...

Take care, Ian
Message: Posted by: Steve Hook (Nov 3, 2004 10:28AM)
By the way, I got mine here:

http://www.dennymagic.com/cgi-bin/hazel.cgi?client=67367079&action=detail&item=003740

after I read Greg Arce's post about Magic Squares here:

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/search_post.php?topic=35116&forum=99&post=311251

Steve H
Message: Posted by: Black Knight (Nov 8, 2004 07:05PM)
I like the Thought Transmitter, one of those WOW tricks that get the audience going. The secret has a lower chance of it being discovered.

Black Knight