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Topic: Final load talking during chop cup?
Message: Posted by: xububba (May 18, 2006 04:40PM)
Hi all,

I'm trying to put together a chop cup routine using racquet balls for the final load, they fit and work with the patter...my problem is I am following the Don Alan guide where he says to "throw" the final load into the cup. I can hear it and am concerned that my spectators will as well and will be suspicious. Am I doing something wrong, being overly paranoid, have super sensitive hearing, or is it something else?

Thanks,

Mike
Message: Posted by: Michael Baker (May 18, 2006 05:04PM)
Maybe don't take that "throw" quite so literally.

~michael
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (May 18, 2006 05:20PM)
You have to remember that Don used to bang his cup against the table right before the load. He also used a big rubber ball.

The best way to keep the loads from talking is to use a leather cup.
Message: Posted by: xububba (May 18, 2006 06:37PM)
Bill, thanks for pointing that out about the banging of the cup, that should help with some noise misdirection that will make me feel better. I may also work on more of a toss than a throw :)
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (May 18, 2006 09:09PM)
Don's motion was not violent at all.

Once you get your 50 posts there are some threads on loading technique in Secret Sessions.
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (May 19, 2006 10:13AM)
Funny... last weekend I was in Aurora, IL, doing some close up at my stepson's graduation party. I had brought a rubber toilet plunger (to do a Benson bowl type routine) and had a large (not huge) metal NUT for the final load (OK, I had permission to use the Nut Load from Don Alan himself).

But I didn't have a mat for the surface, was working on a coffee table. So I figured I had to set the loaded bowl down GENTLY... to avoid noise.

But... as I was about to do the set down... it dawned on me... I had the wand (actually the toilet plunger handle) in my other hand...

So... as I set the loaded bowl down I dropped the wand on the table at the same time... its NOISE covered any sound from the load.
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (May 19, 2006 11:43AM)
There you go!
Message: Posted by: xububba (May 19, 2006 12:06PM)
Yet another reason this forum is so valuable!!

Thanks for all the help!

Mike
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (May 19, 2006 01:28PM)
You are welcome.
Message: Posted by: Alan Munro (May 23, 2006 06:07PM)
It would be a good idea to get the Ron Bauer booklet on the Don Alan routine, as well as the Stevens' Don Alan DVD. The DVD will show you the timing and technique so the sound is minimized. Also, keep in mind that Don Alan used a thick mat under his chop cup - it eliminated sounds quite well.
Message: Posted by: xububba (May 23, 2006 08:34PM)
Thanks Alan, I have the booklet, but the dvd makes sense as well. I did notice the mat and have considered that, unfortunately, most of the time it is not very practical for me to pull out a mat. I am a hobbyist and do most of my tricks at meetings at work. I may still go that way, but haven't decided yet.
Thanks!

Mike
Message: Posted by: Alan Munro (May 26, 2006 01:48PM)
In my opinion, the chop cup really needs a good mat, to work properly. May I suggest performing the egg bag, if you don't want to use a mat? It's practical for a wide variety of performance condtions.
Message: Posted by: xububba (May 26, 2006 08:59PM)
Thanks Alan, I think I can pull off a mat now that I have given it more thought!

Mike
Message: Posted by: TheAmbitiousCard (May 27, 2006 03:15AM)
I use a leather chop cup and need no mat at all. For a metal chop cup a mat or something similar is a big help.
Message: Posted by: MDantes (May 31, 2006 11:42PM)
Where can I get a leather chop cup. Sound like it would be awesome. And the paint would not chip. Very Durable...
Message: Posted by: TheAmbitiousCard (Jun 1, 2006 12:44AM)
Well, since you asked. Here are 3.


killer chop cup
http://www.theambitiouscard.com/aItem.cfm?itemid=32&ref=cafe

dice stacking cup / chop cup
http://www.theambitiouscard.com/aItem.cfm?itemid=30&ref=cafe

beaded cup
http://www.theambitiouscard.com/aItem.cfm?itemid=31&ref=cafe
Message: Posted by: Dave V (Jun 1, 2006 02:25AM)
I can vouch for the beauty of the second one, the stacking/chop cup. I have the black one with the red lining.

I may have to get the beaded one too. It looks like it would be perfect in a Ren Faire setting.
Message: Posted by: xububba (Jun 3, 2006 05:15PM)
I stumbled onto a solution this afternoon for the mat. As I usually perform at meetings, I have a binder that I always carry with me, it is leather, about one and a half inches thick and works great as a mat! I still need to continue to work on the final loads, but at least now I know that I will be able to perform it in my normal environment, and the "mat" will not lend any suspicion to what is going on!!

Mike
Message: Posted by: Alan Munro (Jun 4, 2006 05:27AM)
Leather doesn't strike me as being a good sound dampener. The thing about the way the Don Alan did the chop cup is that there was no difference in sound, between when he set the cup down softly or when the cup was set down harder. That's why I think he used such a soft mat - most close-up mats would be too firm to do the job.
Message: Posted by: xububba (Jun 4, 2006 12:05PM)
Alan, Thanks for the insight, I wasn't very clear, it is leather, but it basically is a portfolio, holding a legal pad, business cards etc, it is soft and there is now know difference in the sound when I put it down. I was initially doing it on my desk with only a blotter and it wasn't working at all, this has solved that part of my dilemma. Now I just need a few more hours each day to practice getting the final loads in smoothly enough to show to an audience!!
Message: Posted by: Lee Darrow (Jun 4, 2006 05:05PM)
Sound covers sound, as Maestro Pete Biro notes (and Pete, next time you're in town, let me know, will you?). Slap the table with yout hand. Slap the top of the cup with your hand. Tap the table with your wand. The louder sound will cover the softer sound. Just make sure you do it EVERY time, so as not to telegraph...

Lee Darrow, C.H.
Message: Posted by: aiki (Jun 4, 2006 08:03PM)
[quote]I stumbled onto a solution this afternoon for the mat. As I usually perform at meetings, I have a binder that I always carry with me, it is leather, about one and a half inches thick and works great as a mat! I still need to continue to work on the final loads, but at least now I know that I will be able to perform it in my normal environment, and the "mat" will not lend any suspicion to what is going on!!

Mike [/quote]

Is your binder 8 1/2 x 11 or bigger? What type of cup do you use?

Thanks
Message: Posted by: xububba (Jun 4, 2006 08:12PM)
Slightly bigger, holds a legal pad with some room to spare, it is a metal (aluminum?) cup that my local store had on sale as they were moving to a new location...

Mike
Message: Posted by: Hayre (Sep 8, 2006 08:18AM)
I realize wands are not common in a Chop Cup scenario, but I thought I would share this as well. In my bowl routine, where the bowl an/or load are metal, I merely tap the bowl with wand (at the point 'talking' could occur) as the bowl is placed on table. Don't do this timidly.