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Topic: Gopher Ventriloquism.
Message: Posted by: Pasq (Jun 5, 2006 02:03PM)
It's taking over isn't it?

I've seen two performances in Surrey this week & I'm seeing another in Edinburgh in July. The question is - is it just a fad, or the final nail in the coffin.

Thoughts ...
Message: Posted by: Professor Piper (Jun 5, 2006 10:50PM)
??????

Ok, call me stupid, but what the heck is "Gopher Ventriloquism?"

Prof. Piper
Message: Posted by: Neale Bacon (Jun 6, 2006 10:31AM)
Oh good, I am not the only one who doesn't know. :)
Message: Posted by: Pasq (Jun 6, 2006 11:50AM)
Get with the programme guys!
Yeeshk!
Message: Posted by: GWGumby (Jun 6, 2006 04:57PM)
Which programme are you referring to, and where can I get with it?

I have no clue what Gopher Ventriloquism is either. A Google search doesn't help either.
Message: Posted by: ChrisJ (Jun 7, 2006 07:41PM)
Hmm..Underground Ventriloquism perhaps?

Well...Gophers ARE underground after all...:P

But that's all I have..Perhaps Ask Geeves will know ;)

LOL

Chris Johnson
Message: Posted by: Pasq (Jun 8, 2006 02:38PM)
Good joke Chris, but they're poppin' up all over the place in my neck of the woods. Just gonna have to wait for it all to die down I guess. P.
Message: Posted by: Professor Piper (Jun 8, 2006 10:58PM)
So, still no explanation on what "Gopher Ventriloquism" actually is?

What, is this a secret?

Come on, give...What is this?

Prof. Piper
(Terry)
Message: Posted by: Regan (Jun 9, 2006 08:10AM)
Well, I thought I knew everything.....

Regan
Message: Posted by: harris (Jun 9, 2006 03:52PM)
I have been going for ventriloquism for quite a while.

Mimes are also making a comeback on american television comercials.


Just my two lips worth from


Harris Deutsch
Laughologist and Nearly Normal Vent.
Message: Posted by: Pasq (Jun 9, 2006 04:36PM)
For those that do not know, I shall explain sooooooon. P.
Message: Posted by: Regan (Jun 9, 2006 04:39PM)
The suspense is killing me.
Message: Posted by: Reg (Jun 9, 2006 05:25PM)
Regan:If you want your artform to survive and continue earning $140 a week you need to sit up and listen.
reg
Message: Posted by: Regan (Jun 10, 2006 04:13PM)
I am sitting up, I have been listening, yet I still do not hear anything.
Message: Posted by: cardcaptor (Jun 11, 2006 07:32AM)
"Gopher Ventriloquism"?? this is the first time I encouter this word, I also do ventriloquism but this is the first time I heard read this..

I will wait for the explanation..

thanks!
Message: Posted by: Pasq (Jun 11, 2006 11:40AM)
Gopher Ventriloquism is a movement in performance art & installation art founded by a small company of performers in London in 2003. The first season of performances consisted of two gophers, one telling a story, throwing its "voice", & the other mouthing the words. The audible, sensible portions of the story were provided by a team of actors behind a curtain.

Some of the original performances ran for as long as 16 weeks without interval, and audiences came and went paying for an hour or so of the action. They began in pokey little performance spaces above pubs, but a good deal of money was made at the beginning and the shows ventured into the mainstream. Animal rights demonstrations outside the theatres only served to promote the shows further. In larger performance spaces the shows strengthened their accessability by intergrating themselves with organic fine art exhibitions and demonstrations of the consequences of "bisterbile" drugs.

The original company has now disbanded, but there are at least 100 independant gopher groups in Britian, and this year will be the second occassion the phenomenon had been seen at the Edinburgh Festival. Whether or not popularity will increase or burn out is any ones guess. Pasq.
Message: Posted by: Pasq (Jun 11, 2006 12:15PM)
For the record, I was very much a witness to this movement in the early days, & involved to some extent on the fringes.

At the time I remember an academic called Ronald Haymen wrote in "The Guardian" that GV had satisfied a cultural need in the right place & at the right time, & was capable of articulating the human condition more effectively than any other artform since Beckett.
Message: Posted by: RWhit (Jun 12, 2006 01:11AM)
I ve never heard of it and don t really understand your description.Are these puppets or loose on a stage .
Message: Posted by: Pasq (Jun 13, 2006 04:57PM)
RWhit, just to be clear: They're 'actual' gophers on stage, not puppets.
Message: Posted by: Professor Piper (Jun 13, 2006 05:00PM)
Well, then I'm not worried at all about it usurping true Ventriloquism...

Sounds like "Gopher Ventriloquism" is simply a unique (and admittedly funny) animal act.

Nothing, and I mean [i]nothing[/i] can compare to a expertly manipulated and scripted Ventriloquist act...

It's a very real form of Magic, seeing an audience actually accept a ventriloquist figure as a 'real' persona.

Prof. Piper
Message: Posted by: Pasq (Jun 18, 2006 01:19PM)
I didn't want you to fear Gopher Ventriloquism, Professor. I merely wanted your company.

By that I mean I want any available shares you might hold in a recognised and progressive institution.
Message: Posted by: Steve V (Jun 19, 2006 12:28AM)
Amazing what passes for art eh?
Steve V
Message: Posted by: RC4MAG (Jun 25, 2006 08:54AM)
If the gopher sees it's shadow, does the show go on for 6 more weeks?
Message: Posted by: Regan (Jun 25, 2006 04:05PM)
[quote]
On 2006-06-25 09:54, RC4MAG wrote:
If the gopher sees it's shadow, does the show go on for 6 more weeks?
[/quote]

I believe you are thinking of groundhogs.
Message: Posted by: Budihaha (Jun 26, 2006 12:46AM)
I have seen a lady ventriloquist who use a life little pig as her figure. The pig move it's mouth when talking. Can we call this pig ventriloquism?

I forget her name and I saw it not in a life performance, but maybe as a video clip ..... or a photo ....... or maybe in my dream......I forget! :)

Regards,

Budi Ha Ha
Message: Posted by: Pasq (Jun 26, 2006 02:06PM)
The difference is that Gopher Ventriloquism is the emancipation of the ventriloquist. He is no longer lied to his puppet - he is off stage, & in the shadows. p.
Message: Posted by: Steve V (Jun 26, 2006 02:24PM)
Then he is as much a vent as I am when I make my dogs talk to my wife. I should add that my dogs are very funny. Emancipation of the ventriloquist, you telling me that in Europe ventriloquest are oppressed or held in bondage? Say, why don't they tie glow sticks to the gophers and combine two great non arts together as one?
Steve V
Message: Posted by: Pasq (Jun 26, 2006 02:35PM)
You're beginning to display signs of triviality.
Message: Posted by: Steve V (Jun 26, 2006 04:53PM)
It is trivial...next...talking Mimes! Dancers who do not move! Yorkies that talk! Oh wait...that is going on at my house.
Steve V
Message: Posted by: Corona Smith (Jun 28, 2006 11:09AM)
[quote]
On 2006-06-26 15:06, Pasq wrote:
The difference is that Gopher Ventriloquism is the emancipation of the ventriloquist. He is no longer lied to his puppet - he is off stage, & in the shadows. p.
[/quote]

This is obscene!

Corona
Message: Posted by: Pasq (Jun 28, 2006 01:52PM)
It's disgusting, I know.
Message: Posted by: Corona Smith (Jun 29, 2006 09:53AM)
Whatever it is, I'm against it...

And I propose that a casual annual ventriloquists gopher cull be instigated immediately. The little bleeders!

Corona.
Message: Posted by: Steve V (Jun 29, 2006 01:33PM)
Pasq, in the lovely photo of you is that a cast on your arm?
Steve V <---sells gopher poison at his part time job
Message: Posted by: Pasq (Jun 29, 2006 01:45PM)
It's a cast on my 'wrist'.

Get in with the Gopher groups - you won't need a part-time job. - OTE 84,000 pa.
Though I'm sure it won't last. Most of the original 2003 gophers are now in retirement or dead.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 4, 2006 06:25AM)
Pasq,

And all this time I thought you were a guy.

Candini
Message: Posted by: Steve V (Jul 4, 2006 01:32PM)
Granted there are a lot of very fem looking photos of guys here my Navy training tells me that Pasq is a young lady.
Steve V
Message: Posted by: Doug Higley (Jul 6, 2006 10:15AM)
I'm with Corona...in fact Corona speaks with my voice regardless the distance...hey maybe that's a ventish record!

As to gophers and dingbats spouting words non stop for weeks on end in pretention that they are utterings of rodents whereby bubbleheads PAY money for an hours worth of this drivel AND socalled critics review it all as if it has merit....good grief. There is a certain OFF KEY thinking that pretends to be Art when it's really just boring horse poop...like there was this childrens 'theater' group in NY decades ago that would walk around in large paper bags and moan in off key notes. This was art, this was THEATER!....well, it was crap but there was those who paid to see it...and those who reviewed it as 'enlightening!'

As a performance artist I take umber in public blowing of smoke up small animals behinds and calling it anything but silliness. We never stoop to such...chicanery...right Corona?
Message: Posted by: Pasq (Jul 6, 2006 02:10PM)
Doug, with respect, I wouldn't listen to Corona on this issue. As usual he's spouting off & doesn't know what he's talking about.

I don't know if you get "Newsnight Review" in the US, but they're running a commentary throughout August of the Gopher Phenomenon at Edinburgh, with live updates. Two Gophers on the stage for 3 weeks. This is a short performance for GV, but they've promised celebrity voice-overs. The powers that be aren't letting on at the moment. Daniel Day Lewis & Hugh Grant have been mentioned, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was all nonsense ...

If you can watch it, do. You'll see what I mean. P.
Message: Posted by: Corona Smith (Jul 7, 2006 09:12AM)
[quote]
On 2006-07-06 15:10, Pasq wrote:
Doug, with respect, I wouldn't listen to Corona on this issue. As usual he's spouting off & doesn't know what he's talking about.
[/quote]

Pasq is correct, I thought you were talking about golfers, sorry.

Corona
Message: Posted by: Steve V (Jul 7, 2006 03:19PM)
I think making golfers entertain for weeks on end is okay.
Steve V
Message: Posted by: Corona Smith (Jul 10, 2006 07:15AM)
What about having an open season on them, say for the month of June?

Corona
Message: Posted by: Top Hat (Jul 12, 2006 03:15PM)
God, but that is a funny piece. A perfectly charming little story on the subject. & joviality much appreciated by all, I'll warrant.
Message: Posted by: magicgeorge (Jul 19, 2006 07:42AM)
I liked it when the small yappy dog attacked Gordon.

George
Message: Posted by: Rupert Bair (Nov 6, 2006 08:14AM)
I've seen gopher gum at a local specialist pet shop.

Apparentley they chew on it and it makes there mouth move, I bought some to try out on my cats, rabbits and doves.

'Gopher Gum'
"As used in the movies, make your gopher walk the walk and talk the talk. Imagine hilarious situations where you can manipulate what your faviourite pet says!"

Made by Apirlls Bee Thrirst
Message: Posted by: Wanlu (Nov 8, 2006 04:10AM)
I'd like to join the discussion but I'm super lost :)

I love looking at the avatars :)

Peace all around

Wanlu