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Topic: Flip-M-Out (The Ultimate coins across in spectators hands)
Message: Posted by: Jaxon (Jun 27, 2006 02:50PM)
I got quite a few requests for my flipper coin routine called Flip-M-out by members here on the Café. I was going to wait until my DVD was finished because it'll be in the video. But it's going to be a while before that's finished. So I took my typed instructions and turned them into an E-book.

You won't find this anywhere on my site right now. I'm releasing it only the Café.

Rather then re posting all the information about it. I'll just link to the other discussion here on the Café that has the link to the E-book.

[url=http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=163788&forum=202&start=0]Click here to check it out.[/url]

Ron Jaxon
Message: Posted by: paisa23 (Jul 2, 2006 11:29PM)
Looking through it right now. It looks really good and at the same time really Ballsy. Thanks it will be a lot of practice before I get comfortable with it.
Message: Posted by: jolyonjenkins (Jul 5, 2006 03:29AM)
I also need to practice it - mostly the business of opening the flipper.

I think this is such strong magic that you are going to have to end clean - particularly if, as in my case, you do it with very unfamiliar foreign coins. I think there may be the possibility to do a switch just before phase 4, while attention is on the three coins on the table.

I also wonder whether in phase 2, the unused coin should also go on the table rather than in the hand ("we don't need this one"). This would be a sort of feint for the two unused coins in phase 3.

Incidentally (although I don't have my copy with me) - I think there is maybe a mistake in your description of phase 1 where you say put the coins in your hands, when you mean the spectator's hands. Sorry if I'm wrong about this.

Not that it matters much, but there are also a few spelling mistakes which detract from the overall professionalism.
Message: Posted by: Jaxon (Jul 18, 2006 04:26PM)
I made this video of the routine. I made some other videos of me performing it live for some people but the lighting wasn't very good. So I pulled one of them over to the light of a pool table and performed it for her again. So this girl helping me but it's seen the routine before so she's not reacting like they usually do the first time they see it.

You know I can't hear so I don't know how well the sound came out. So I captioned the video. I'll make a better video when I can. I just wanted to show the flow of the routine here. How it all ties together. I also wanted to show that it's not as "gutsy" as you might think. You are putting a gimmick in their hand but if you follow the presentation advice in the E-book and just go for it I'm sure you'll find it's not as gutsy as it may seem at first. Kind of like when you first learn to use a T-tip.

Another thing I like that this video demonstrates if the first phase. Even though this girl has already seen the trick she still giggles as she shakes the coins. There's something about making that action that's kind of humorous.

The video is here:
http://www.magicjax.com/flipmout/flipmout_1.wmv

Ron Jaxon
Message: Posted by: magicduro (Jul 19, 2006 02:28AM)
I saw Ron perform this routine at the WMS. Two of the phases are absolutely pure magic. Thanks Ron! My highest recommendation.


Mike
Message: Posted by: Jaxon (Jul 25, 2006 06:15PM)
Thanks Mike.

I'll be at the Abbotts get together in a couple of weeks. If any of you are there and would like to see me perform this routine in person please let me know.

Ron Jaxon
Message: Posted by: TomKMagic (Jul 27, 2006 09:54PM)
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On 2006-07-03 00:29, paisa23 wrote:
Looking through it right now. It looks really good and at the same time really Ballsy. Thanks it will be a lot of practice before I get comfortable with it.
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Paisa, you might think it is ballsy, but I have seen Ron do this routine hundreds of times, and people never ever suspect gimmick.

Ron, I have the notes you gave me a long time ago, but I still haven't had much chance to read through everything. I like Flip-M-Out almost as much as the ungimmicked 4 coins across that I do (the one Tony taught me). I look forward to seeing you at Abbott's. I have some cool ideas I want to show you (if I actually remember them while being in a drunken stupor at Curly's).
Message: Posted by: bloodkin (Jul 28, 2006 09:32AM)
Now that's how coins across should look! Top notch as usual, Ron.

What brand of Flipper do you use? In all my years of coin work I never used one, but I'm planning on picking one up this week.
Message: Posted by: TomKMagic (Jul 28, 2006 06:30PM)
I believe Ron uses a flipper from Todd Lassen because I was there when he purchased it, so I bought his old Johnson flipper from him.
Message: Posted by: Xiqual (Jul 28, 2006 08:19PM)
I just got my Lassen Morgan flipper. It is superb. The size actually makes Ron's routine easier in my opinion. It also seems like there is no way to use sleight of hand.

The gravity flipper looks so cool when you drop it on the mat. closes so fast it will fool you.

Great work Ron! Now I just need a Lassen Jumbo Morgan!! LOL [$6000]
James
Message: Posted by: eebie376 (Jul 28, 2006 08:53PM)
Ron-

Just wanted to say I thoroughly enjoyed that performance video. This routine looks fantastic! I have to get a flipper coin and your instructions now! Great work,
Ian
Message: Posted by: jolyonjenkins (Jul 29, 2006 05:29AM)
In the ebook, Ron recommends not using a Lassen or Schoolcraft flipper because of the risk of damage in a spectator's hands
Message: Posted by: Xiqual (Jul 29, 2006 06:10AM)
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On 2006-07-29 06:29, rjenkins wrote:
In the ebook, Ron recommends not using a Lassen or Schoolcraft flipper because of the risk of damage in a spectator's hands
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Actually, he says dropping it on the table is risky. I just use a thick mat. The Lassen is so great because it closes so fast. Ron's routine is killer. Gets really shocked looks and gasps.
James
Message: Posted by: jolyonjenkins (Jul 29, 2006 06:49AM)
I meant, that a spectator might throw/slam the coin onto the table
Message: Posted by: KB (Jul 31, 2006 02:31AM)
I would like to download this routine.
Is it available yet?

KB
Message: Posted by: bloodkin (Jul 31, 2006 08:52AM)
[quote]
On 2006-07-29 07:10, Xiqual wrote:
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On 2006-07-29 06:29, rjenkins wrote:
In the ebook, Ron recommends not using a Lassen or Schoolcraft flipper because of the risk of damage in a spectator's hands
[/quote]

Which one would be best?
Message: Posted by: Jaxon (Jul 31, 2006 08:01PM)
Hi everyone. Thanks so much for the kind words. I hope you're "flipping" people out with it.. :)

That reminds me of why I called it Flip-M-Out. I performed the routine for a group and while one guy was reacting I read his lips and I think he said, "That flips me out!". I never heard of that expression before and I just might have misread what he said. But as it's done with a flipper coin it just seemed to fit.

Anyway, on the issue of what kind of flipepr coin to use. You can actually use any flipper coin on the market that I know of. I own a Todd Lassen and I love it. I've seen the Schoolcraft and they're fantastically made. But I mainly stick with what I think is the cheapest on the market from Sasco (About $20). AS an added bonus of it's lower price I always have a spare in my wallet in case the band breaks.

A little warning about Johnson's flipper coin. They're nice but the flap is larger. So it could give you some trouble in phase 1 of the routine if they have small hands.

When I do use my Lassen I either have it dropped on a close up pad, Use good spectator control and only allow them to drop it from a couple of inches off the tabletop, or I just don't drop it through the table. In the E-book I make some alternate suggestions for when no table is available. To be honest you probably wouldn't damage any of them when they fall on the table. I just don't like the idea that it might with such an expensive gimmick. I've never broken one in my approximately 15 years of performing this routine. The only thing I've had break is the band and that's usually my fault. An old band can break if it gets dried out so I change mine at least once a month even if it don't need it. Or if the spectator slams the coins down but I've found a lot of subtle ways to prevent that from happening.

I'm going to the Abbott's get together and I'll be recording some footage that I might use in my DVD. Maybe I'll have a better video of this routine next week.

Thanks again.

Ron Jaxon
Message: Posted by: KB (Jul 31, 2006 09:19PM)
Again I ask the question.
Is there an E-Book available?
If so please let me know were I can purchase it.

Thanks,
KB
Message: Posted by: Jaxon (Aug 1, 2006 11:00AM)
It's available right now in a sort of prerelease. My first post in this discussion leads to it. When I get back from the Abbott's get together this week I'll be putting it on my site and the price will increase a little.

Here's the page where you can purchase the E-book now:
http://www.magicjax.com/flipmout

I hope you enjoy it.

Ron Jaxon
Message: Posted by: Jaxon (Aug 10, 2006 12:56PM)
Just a quick note. This E-book was just released at lybrary.com for $15. I put the lower price here on the Café ($10) but I'll be removing that page this Monday. So if you've been thinking about getting it you might want to do it this week end before the reduced price ends. Save yourself 5 bucks. :)

Sean Bogunia told me he got some good shots of me performing it at the Abbott's get together. As soon as he send the videos to me I'll post them. They'll show more of the spectators true reactions then the other video I have up now.

Those of you who have it I'd love to read how it's going for you. Also send me and Email and I'll give you the details on an alternate phase to end the routine with. This is something my friend Jason came up with and it blew me away.

It'll be in my DVD when it's finished but here's the description of the effect. I'll describe it exactly how I experienced it when my friend first did it to me.

He had me hold both of my hands out in front of me palm up. He openly placed on coin in my left hand. Then placed the remaining three in my right hand and had me close my fist around them. He then asked me to lower my right hand (containing 3 coins) and raise my left hand (still open with one coin). He then stood back a few feet from me. He asked how many where in my right hand. I replied "3". He asked how many where in my left and I said "1". He then told me to slowly turn my left hand palm down so that the coin will fall and land on the back of my right fist. I slowly turned my left hand palm down to drop the coin and [b]nothing fell from it![/b] The coin was gone and he even touched it once he placed it in my hand. I of cource opened my right hand to find I'm now holding all 4 coins there.

This blew me away. So when the conditions are right to perform it, it makes a great last phase because they do everything and the coin still travels. It's been a long time since I've been fooled this bad.. :)

Ron Jaxon
Message: Posted by: mikejorden (Aug 13, 2006 06:28AM)
I bought the download yesterday. It's great - I learnt more about the flipper coin for my $10 than I did with the various books & DVD's, costing much more, put out by other authors. I look forward to the DVD. I'm sending a PM for the alternative handling.

In the past I've bought numerous MagicJax downloads and have never been disappointed - they are great value for money. Keep up the good work.
Message: Posted by: eric6 (Aug 21, 2006 02:32PM)
Hello Ron
I sent you an email for the alternative handling but to be sure Wil pm you also
Before hand thanks for aall and great routine
Eric
Message: Posted by: johnnyimpossible (Oct 6, 2006 10:39PM)
Looks like a good routine
Message: Posted by: mikejorden (Oct 7, 2006 01:34PM)
Hello Ron.
I tried to send you a PM about Flip-M-Out but it appears the box is full.
I sent a message on your web site but never received a reply.
Hope you are OK because I want to buy more of your routines.
Message: Posted by: GWSchott (Oct 11, 2006 10:46PM)
I bought Ron's e-book on Flip-M-Out and all I can say is WOW! It took a lot of practice at first, but the reactions it generates makes it more than worth while! What an awesome routine! It really does blow people away, especially since the magic happens right in the very hands. Thanks, Ron!
Message: Posted by: MintonMagic (Oct 15, 2006 01:18AM)
Totally agree! It's amazing! I performed this only a few times so far and it blows them away! My wife can't be impressed and boy was she!
Message: Posted by: Jaxon (Oct 17, 2006 02:21PM)
I'm so glad you guys like this routine. I've been performing it for about 15 years and it took me a long time to release it (Didn't want to.. :) ). The only reason I finally did was because after the first two phases where published in Mike Powers latest book "Power Plays". I received quite a few requests for the entire routine.

Until recently the flipper coin was hardly known by most magicians. So it fooled as many magicians as it did non-magicians. It still does but some magicians might "assume" a flipper coin is used now days.

I remember one time at the Abbott's Get together I was asked to perform this routine for some people at a table in the Legion (A major hand out there during magic week). I said sure and fallowed him to the table. When I got there I found Harry Blackstone Jr, Jay Marshall, Karl Norman and Karrel Fox sitting there (A few others but I don't recall who). My mind was thinking, "Why didn't you warn me!". But I went through the routine and they loved it. In fact we talked about it for a good 15-20 minutes. It was one of the highlights of that get together for me. It was at a time when I was very intimidated by these "big timers" and the thought that they where talking to me for so long about one of my routines was so awesome. Just thought I'd share that story.

I can honestly say that this routine is the number one reason I've won most of the close up contest that I have won. I hope you all will get as much from it as I have.

Ron Jaxon
Message: Posted by: Jaxon (Oct 18, 2006 03:49PM)
Just a quick note. As I mentioned in the first post in the discussion found in my first post in this discussion. I only released this here at a reduced price before I put it up on my site. I watied a lot longer then I had planned but I'm going to be doing that tomorrow (It'll be $15 tomorrow but still $10 today). So if you've been thinking about picking this up and want to save that $5 you should pick it up today. After that you'll have to go to my site to find it because the link to it here on the Café won't work anymore.

Just thought I'd mention that to those why are thinking about getting it. Thanks for all the positive feedback.

Ron Jaxon
Message: Posted by: johnnyimpossible (Oct 23, 2006 08:16PM)
The effect is good. I like the spectator involvement. Troy Hooser has a book full of flipper coin routines that are very cool. I mention this only so people have another reference for other flipper coin routines. I don't believe Troy does any that involve the spectator to the extent that Ron's routine does. Hats off to you on this one Ron.
Message: Posted by: Steve Landavazo (Nov 8, 2006 12:14AM)
Great Job Ron! I really like the routine and will be getting it soon. Thank you for putting this out! Steve
Message: Posted by: Tom G (Nov 12, 2006 06:45PM)
I love the effect,just a question though.. Has a ********* ever fallen apart during the routine??
Message: Posted by: Jaxon (Nov 13, 2006 10:34AM)
It's never fallen apart on it's own if that's what you mean. I've had it broken apart a few times from people slamming the coins on to the table. But that was my mistake in spectator control. I've learned many ways to prevent that from happening now though.

I've never had them just come apart on me because I change my band at least once a month even if it doesn't need it.

Ron Jaxon
Message: Posted by: kihei kid (Dec 7, 2006 11:35AM)
Ron, kudos. When will your DVD become available? As I side note I own a Schoolcraft flipper and once dropped it from chest level (4’6”) onto a hard linoleum floor, not sure which way it hit but after a bounce or two it was unscathed. Phewww!
Message: Posted by: GWSchott (Dec 10, 2006 09:39AM)
Ron's routine is now the most requested coin routine I perform. It blows the minds of even the most skeptical of people. The handling becomes much smoother over time (as is the case with anything). You've just gotta be careful when the coins are in the spectator's hands. After the 'rattling' phase I tell the person to gently spill the coins out onto the table. This prevents him or her from slamming them down or holding them too high and letting them just drop. Seems to work. Great routine, Ron!!!! I use it all the time.
Message: Posted by: Jaxon (Dec 16, 2006 07:32PM)
I'm so glad you're getting good reactions from it. I know what you mean about people requesting it. I'm guessing people sometimes come up to you and say something like, "Show us that coin thing you do". That's how it usually happens with me.

Just a little advice though. Make sure you know some other non-gimmicked traveling coin routines. I'm sure you already know some but just for the sake of all those who read this. People request this routine so often that if I don't have my flipper on me I need to show them something with some coins. I use a variety of "coins across" routines when this happens. But they all have one thing in common. The last coin travels into their hand just like in the Flip-M-Out routine. End a "normal" coins across routine like this and maybe add a jumbo coin. It won't be as strong but it'll do in most cases.

If the really bug me to "put the coins in my hand and let me drop them". I usually perform a different penetration trick such as a coin in bottle, bottle or salt shaker through table and so forth. Just kind of get their minds on something I can do when I don't have my flipper on me.

Your best bet would be to have the flipper coin on you at all times though.. :)

Ron Jaxon
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jan 20, 2008 11:39AM)
Ron, very impressive work!!!
Message: Posted by: John C (Mar 10, 2008 06:19PM)
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On 2008-01-20 12:39, Christopher Kavanagh wrote:
Ron, very impressive work!!!
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I agree! I have a few items from Ron including Outsmokin' ... all Excellent!!

John
Message: Posted by: John Long (Jul 29, 2008 03:54PM)
I just bought this; it looks very good. Ron came up with some very nice uses for the fliper.

I was hoping to do this with kids, but I'm wondering if their hands would be big enough for the first move, and whether they will be ale to follow directions well enough.

Has anyone tried this with kids?

John
Message: Posted by: John Long (Jul 24, 2017 09:21PM)
[quote]On Aug 10, 2006, Jaxon wrote:

It'll be in my DVD when it's finished but here's the description of the effect. I'll describe it exactly how I experienced it when my friend first did it to me.

He had me hold both of my hands out in front of me palm up. He openly placed on coin in my left hand. Then placed the remaining three in my right hand and had me close my fist around them. He then asked me to lower my right hand (containing 3 coins) and raise my left hand (still open with one coin). He then stood back a few feet from me. He asked how many where in my right hand. I replied "3". He asked how many where in my left and I said "1". He then told me to slowly turn my left hand palm down so that the coin will fall and land on the back of my right fist. I slowly turned my left hand palm down to drop the coin and [b]nothing fell from it![/b] The coin was gone and he even touched it once he placed it in my hand. I of cource opened my right hand to find I'm now holding all 4 coins there.

This blew me away. So when the conditions are right to perform it, it makes a great last phase because they do everything and the coin still travels. It's been a long time since I've been fooled this bad.. :)

Ron Jaxon [/quote]

Has anyone tried this effect? I didn't get this with the PDF version of FLip-M-Out, but I've seen what I think is the essence of the method, in other sources, and was curious if it works well, and if it fits in with the 4 phase of Flip-M-Out.

Also, what has happened to Jaxon? He doesn't seem to around now.

John