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Topic: Walking On Broken Glass For Dummies.
Message: Posted by: NJJ (Aug 8, 2006 09:00PM)

This made me SO angry!
Message: Posted by: Freak Prodigy (Aug 9, 2006 12:17AM)
Oh...it gets worse, these self-help @ssholes make upwards to 700 bucks a person.

what they do is tell then that they can do anything they put their minds to and teach them carny stunts...even fire walks!

Message: Posted by: gsidhe (Aug 9, 2006 07:57AM)
What a flaming load of $#!^!!
"The deeper the glass penetrates, the more stimulation you receive."
Yeah...It'll hurt more. I suppose that would be stimulating. Basically covering their bums so that when they screw up, they get thanked for it.

Can't wait until they try to help someone using sword through body.
"The more you hemorrhage, the more you heal!!!"
Message: Posted by: DavidEscapes (Aug 9, 2006 08:22AM)
I cut my foot during a show the other week. It wasn't as stimulating as I thought is was going to be :)
Message: Posted by: Marvello (Aug 9, 2006 08:23AM)
http://www.lifeevents.org wrote:

[b]Will I get cut by walking barefoot on glass?[/b]

This is certainly a possibility. We find that indentations indicate attention required at a specific spot on the body (i.e. a large indentation below the big toe would indicate a neck problem). When people do receive cuts, the blood is often dark red. Diana says the glass acts as a magnet to pull impurities out of the body (kind of like psychic surgery).[/quote]

:eek: :dizzy: :kidding: :yikes:
Message: Posted by: Freak Prodigy (Aug 9, 2006 09:20AM)
I'm speechless.

Message: Posted by: Caveat Lector (Aug 9, 2006 09:57AM)
This just makes me realize more and more that we really need to thin out the hurd of humanity.
Message: Posted by: Freak Prodigy (Aug 9, 2006 10:09AM)
I didn't know that "sleeping on broken glass cures paralysis"

Message: Posted by: Harley Newman (Aug 9, 2006 12:48PM)
Oh, how quaint, those people from foreign parts...

In "Net of Magic" (which should be required reading), Lee Siegel quotes a young magician, with whom he conversed, while watching a troupe that made a living doing self-mutilation rituals, that ostensibly took onto themselves, the sufferings of the people who hired them.

"The difference between conjuring and real magic is that the real magician suffers. The conjurer simply imitates, through false means, without suffering, what the real magician actually does."

I think it's so interesting that in an age of disillusionment (as we in the West currently have), we who do these things, still have much of the power we ever had. We're just not shamans.

This glasswalking thing seems to be Thai. They have very different beliefs there, about the way much of the world works. Shamanism isn't just a thing in which to take classes, to relieve the boredom of life.

Health benefits? I'd bet it doesn't cure all the things that are being claimed, but it actually would have the same benefit as sleeping on bed of nails, or a deep-muscle massage.

Do I like it that somebody is teaching this, in this manner? No. But the real product is a change in the dream-of-self, that happens to the participants. And that can sell in any culture. Look at how much money Tony Robbins has made, doing that.
Message: Posted by: Sylver Fyre (Aug 9, 2006 01:24PM)
But to say it Cures aliments....

"can heal heart related ailments, kidney problems, nervous system ailments and paralysis."

... reminds me of how "personal massagers" were marketed to cure everything from baldness to hysteria.

Sure the bleeding that occurs will pull out all the "evil" demons that are making you sick!! You gotta love Pseudoscience.
/sarcasm off
Message: Posted by: Freak Prodigy (Aug 9, 2006 01:50PM)
Pseudoscience birthed real science.
[I think]

Message: Posted by: Doug Higley (Aug 9, 2006 02:20PM)
The Ignorant as Prey. So what's new.

Psuedo Science was when a dork on the shore saw a lump in the middle of a lake and proclaimed it a sign from above.

Science was when a non-dork swam out and stood upon the lump revaling it as just a rock.

Too late...the rest of the group was busy paying the dork to tell them how the twinkles in the night sky were fire flies but would'nt bite if they would put meat in his hovel.

The non-dork guy on the rock was busy noticing that the 'fire flies' formed unchanging patterns and influenced by the dork's lucrative reasoning became the first astrologer.

Thus science was delayed a bit.
Message: Posted by: Marvello (Aug 9, 2006 03:13PM)
On 2006-08-09 14:24, Sylver Fyre wrote:
reminds me of how "personal massagers" were marketed to cure everything from baldness to hysteria.[/quote]

I love those ads that show women using a "personal massager" to get the kinks out of their shoulder muscles ;)
Message: Posted by: NJJ (Aug 9, 2006 05:44PM)
[b]Why do we use wine (or champagne) bottles?

The juice of grapes are like tears form Earth. The bottles are cleaned and heated for 30 minutes to sterilize and physically clean the glass. But an individual bottle also holds the energy of those that made the bottle, those that handled it and those that drank the wine. We must use energy from our hands to spiritual clean each bottle. When use energy from the element fire for this purpose. [/b]

;) :)

In their defence, this is an amazing source of patter!
Message: Posted by: Harley Newman (Aug 9, 2006 09:53PM)
It's a line of sh*t, but it's really GOOD sh*t.
Message: Posted by: DavidEscapes (Aug 10, 2006 09:21AM)
Whenever I perform in China people automatically assume that I am using some sort of Chi, or other body energy to perform glass stunts. I have had quite a few people come up tp me after shows there and tell me that they were surprised that a westerner could harness these energies. After I started incorperating this into the patter and presentation the audience response to the routine shot up. This stuff can work for the right audience.

"But an individual bottle also holds the energy of those that made the bottle, those that handled it and those that drank the wine."

Harnessing the spiritual energy of drunken students and underpaid shop staff. Nice :)
Message: Posted by: jeremysweiss (Aug 10, 2006 10:53PM)
What the H**L is Mr. Johnson so angry about? I think you and Freak Prodigy are just jealous.

20 years ago who knew that people were going to put a clear liquid available on tap and for free in a bottle and charge? Gotta love it. This website, and Evian shows that:

There is one born every minute and you two guys gotta get a better patter so you can charge $850.

Me? I am working on charging for this new exciting thing that you breathe, called "air". After that project gets off the ground I am working on figuring out how I can charge people for moving their bowels and scratching themselves.
Message: Posted by: Harley Newman (Aug 11, 2006 07:19AM)
Let's see. These folks are NOT selling glass-walking. They're selling relief of symptoms, that a lot of people have...a dream of health.

Preparation H has been around for a long time, so its marketing is, apparantly, successful. Flax seed has been around for a long time, but it's currently considered as "alternative". About the only verifiable claim for taking mega-doses of vitamin C, is that it encourages bowels to move.

So, we need a catchy name, the right colors for the advertising (label and print), and a picture of somebody who looks as if they might be a bit uncomfortable, but you can't really be sure. And three products, so you, the consumer, have maximum choices:
-a one-a-day pill, to be taken orally
-an "emergencies only" gel-cap, for use at the other end
-a soothing cream, for those embarassing discomforts

The main ingredients? Vitamin C. Except for purity in manufacturing, it's still unregulated, so making claims about it, is something that doesn't require solid research to back it up.

Have trouble swallowing this discussion? You just need a bottle of Natural Aqueous Solution, to wash it down...all natural, as pure as it gets...

OR, you could use the premise to sell tickets to your shows...How many of us have used the "Take your seats now, but you'll only need the edge" approach? A lot, I think.

I'm not a big television watcher, but I've seen an ad for "Head On". The ad says nothing about what the product does. It just says "Head On, Apply Directly to the Forehead", over and over, and over. And they make it look as if the ad is run back to back with itself. SO the audience gets a particular message. What's the message?

The person in the ad, applying the stuff to her forehead, looks as if she may have a headache. Since she doesn't speak, we don't really know.

So the benefit of this product, is a perception of relief. I bet the thing sells.

What's in it? Who knows? It could be only Natural Aqueous Solution, and it wouldn't matter, because they make no claims. They just can't fill the the containers with caustic solutions, because that WOULD set them up for product liability lawsuits.

In your advertising, what's the benefit that your buyers will perceive comes to them, for using YOUR services?

BTW, I used to do a medicine show, with some friends. I may still have some bottles of Dr. Phelonius P. Malarkey's Natural Aqueous Solution available. Good for what ails ya.
Message: Posted by: FacadeTheStiltBoy (Aug 11, 2006 08:09PM)
Beware of the holy staplegun then.
Message: Posted by: Harley Newman (Aug 11, 2006 09:38PM)
I don't know about anybodye else's staplegun. Mine is an advertisement for being polite.
Message: Posted by: NJJ (Aug 14, 2006 05:25AM)
Harley - you gave a lot of good examples of equally dodgy marketing campaigns! I particularly like the shampoo ones that say "Built in structurising conditioners." and
"Serum forumla penetrates strands." Structurising isn't even a word!

But that doesn't make this any less dodgy...or any less dangerous!
Message: Posted by: dave_matkin (Aug 14, 2006 03:44PM)
On 2006-08-11 08:19, Harley Newman wrote:
I may still have some bottles of Dr. Phelonius P. Malarkey's Natural Aqueous Solution available. Good for what ails ya.

Ive been after some of that for ages! Can you ship me some Ill pay for it!
Message: Posted by: NJJ (Aug 14, 2006 05:09PM)
Is that the special one that comes with super oxidizing razor blades and re-energising draino in it?