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Topic: Daryl --- Hole card & Whole Card
Message: Posted by: ShawnB (Nov 13, 2006 11:19PM)
I was just at a Daryl lecture this past weekend and he performed a routine
with 4 jumbo cards, in which he referred to a card with a hole in it as a hole
card and a card with out a hole in it as a whole card.

The patter went on and on (which was great)... and the trick itself was very entertaining.

Unfortunately he performed this during the evening show so I did not have a chance to ask him about it...

I have visited Fooler Doolers.. and have had no luck locating the effect,
I was hoping someone here had some insight.

Let me know if you do… the effect is very entertaining…

Shawn.
Message: Posted by: emptycupmagic (Nov 14, 2006 05:15AM)
The trick is Daryl's version of Emerson & West's The Whole Thing and it was on the market years ago. I used it in a couple of street performing gigs and it went over great. Good luck finding it now though as he no longer sells it. I sent Daryl an email a short while back and he said he had no plans on re-releasing the trick in the foreseeable future. Maybe if enough of us request it he will rethink his decision.
Message: Posted by: ShawnB (Nov 14, 2006 09:11AM)
Thanks Bob..

The patter on the trick is what really stuck in my mind... It was a fun play on words...

Do you recall if Daryl's version came with patter?

I was able to find a VHS by Dan Harlan, on the Emerson and West version.
Are you familiar with that version? If so how similar are the two?

Thanks for all your help.
Shawn.
Message: Posted by: emptycupmagic (Nov 14, 2006 10:24AM)
Dary's routine did come with patter Shawn and I'm not familiar with the Harlan version. When you see it, let me know how it looks.
Message: Posted by: Stevethomas (Nov 16, 2006 04:21PM)
Daryl's version is excellent and comes with all handling and patter. I don't know if he would love for you to call it "Fooler Droolers", though. It is a funny name...sounds like a parody of Daryl! The Whole Card is wonderful and very entertaining. I think I may have a couple sets around here somewhere, along with Daryl's "Camera Cards".

Steve
Message: Posted by: ShawnB (Nov 19, 2006 12:30AM)
If you have a set.. I would be more then happy to purchase them from you...

PM me to confirm...

P.S. Fooler Droolers is the name of Daryls website... I was not refering to the effect.

Thanks a bunch...
Shawn.
Message: Posted by: Ron Reid (Nov 19, 2006 06:54AM)
Hi Shawn:

I have searched in the past for the Jumbo version of "The Whole Thing" and it is very hard to find. I have not had any luck yet. I think you might do better to find the regular sized version (using regular cards) on ebay or somewhere, and then have a jumbo version made.

Cardmaker in Germany could probably do this for you. He's made me a number of jumbo cards, and his work is oustanding. His name is Bernd and he's a member here - he goes by "Cardmaker."

Ron
Message: Posted by: NYCJoePitt (Nov 19, 2006 09:45AM)
Hi Shawn,

You should try to check with Paul Hallas, who is a packet trick expert and wrote a book on the history and development of all such packet tricks called SMALL BUT DEADLY. I think you can search for him in the Café under the name Paul. I'm sure he'd be able to tell you the differences between all the different versions. I met him at Metro Magic 2 and he seemed like a great guy. The book is great too.

Good Luck!
Message: Posted by: ShawnB (Nov 20, 2006 10:14PM)
Thanks for the Update Guys!!!

I appreciate your help.

Shawn.
Message: Posted by: Brent (Dec 3, 2006 08:04PM)
Michael Skinner performed this for me years ago and it truly is a wonderful play on words, not to mention magical!
Message: Posted by: Larry Davidson (Dec 6, 2006 11:43AM)
"Back in the Day," Larry West (he originated the effect) showed it to me with crude hand-drawn and hand-punched cards that he had made and used as a prototype. I thought that the trick sucked. Later he and Art Emerson released the effect professionally and I fell in love with it. In hindsight, my earlier opinion was probably based on me subconsciously focusing on how crude the prototype cards were instead of focusing on the effect. I bought and performed the marketed version professionally for many years, and it played very well.

Larry West had a very commercial (I believe unpublished) ending for the effect when used in a restaurant (or bar) setting. He glued the restaurant's business card over the word "hole" that was normally revealed as the climax to the effect, and he'd say, "Of course you know what the best [b]spot[/b] in town is? It's (insert name of restaurant)," at which point he'd turn the playing card over to reveal the business card.
Message: Posted by: sleight king (Mar 1, 2007 02:26PM)
I have the jumbo version for sale if anyone is interested
Message: Posted by: Doug Arden (Mar 1, 2007 03:41PM)
I'll take this. I tried to PM you but your box is full (limit of 60).

Doug
Message: Posted by: ShawnB (Jun 17, 2008 07:52AM)
Hi All,

So I got my hands on a set of these cards close to a year ago... and I am having some trouble reading and understanding the descriptions of the sleights.

To clarify the moves are not the issue... it is a direction thing. I am holding the cards in my right hand and the instructions are saying they should be in my left and vice a versa.

Anyway, I had my girlfriend help me and read them to me as I worked through it and I am still stuck. Does anyone have a performance vid of this effect? I feel it will help me work through the effect.

I want to add the effect to my street show... I feel like it will be excellent.

Thank for your help guys.

Shawn.


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Message: Posted by: magicbob116 (Aug 19, 2008 11:46AM)
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On 2006-11-16 17:21, Stevethomas wrote:
I don't know if he would love for you to call it "Fooler Droolers", though.
[/quote]

[quote]
On 2006-11-19 01:30, ShawnB wrote:
Fooler Droolers is the name of Daryls website
[/quote]

Actually, Daryl's website is Fooler DOOLERS. That's why Steve said he might not appreciate you calling it Fooler [i]Droolers[/i]. :P
Message: Posted by: Futureal (Sep 30, 2008 10:31PM)
His last set of lecture notes were called Fooler Droolers (with an R), and they had a picture of his child on the cover.
Message: Posted by: magicbob116 (Oct 11, 2008 03:22PM)
[quote]
On 2008-09-30 23:31, Futureal wrote:
His last set of lecture notes were called Fooler Droolers (with an R), and they had a picture of his child on the cover.
[/quote]

That's cute. I guess it also means he probably wouldn't be too offended by someone referring to his site as fooler droolers. :)
Message: Posted by: einhorn (Jan 2, 2009 03:01AM)
I have used The Whole Thing for over 20 years and my audiences love it - truth be told, probably more than I do, but I think that we have to listen to our audiences sometimes. FYI Tony Griffiths in the UK used to market (Maybe still does) this item with a twist at the end where the word HOLE was replaced by either a picture of a dog called SPOT or a picture of a golf flag by the 18th hole (I think) this may be of interest to some....Larry, thanks for the Best Spot in Town line.....I could image a small twist would allow this to be used on the trade show floor with something along the lines of....Of course the best spot to get your car insurance is right here at xyz (Show Logo Here!)
Tony also had a really nice handling where the spots seemed to appear in a more magical manner than merely turning over the cards one at a time.....
Message: Posted by: robfind (Mar 3, 2009 05:14PM)
Does anyone know where I can find a video demo of the effect. I have searched but haven't found any.
Message: Posted by: cardcltr (May 19, 2009 06:17PM)
Does anyone know of a gimmiked card that allows you to show a small hole in the card and slide that hole around the card to a different location? It is not a card like hollow but an actual sliding mechanism inside of the card, probebly two cards glued together. I saw this performed recently but I cannot find it available anywhere. I tried googling it but all I get is hollow. I would appreciate any help on this.
Barry Sokolsky
Message: Posted by: Spellbinder (May 19, 2009 10:55PM)
Barry Sokolsky:

Look at Angel Killer by Gastón Armocida, the first demo on this YouTube collection of his effects: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0pVAyXdtyg

It doesn't work the way you describe, but perhaps fooled you into thinking that's how it was done.
Message: Posted by: magicbob116 (May 27, 2009 11:29AM)
Daryl recently re-released The (W)hole Thing.

http://www.foolerdoolers.com/store/productdetail.asp?productid=200350
Message: Posted by: swamy (Jul 6, 2009 11:35PM)
Nice to see it getting re-released.
Message: Posted by: ShawnB (Jul 14, 2009 11:04AM)
No kidding! I was on the look out for this trick back in 2006. I got it in 2007 and held on to it until now. Wow time flies.

I am still yet to perform it. Guess I will be buying the DVD. : )

Best

Shawn
Message: Posted by: RC4MAG (Jul 25, 2009 07:17AM)
I like the quality of the original cards better than the new release. The new cards are a little smaller and you need to be careful about doing this on a stage with lighting as the new ones are a bit translucent under the strong lights.
Message: Posted by: MarvinWang (Aug 6, 2009 01:13AM)
I like watching when Daryl does the effect himself, it's totally Daryl!
Message: Posted by: ShawnB (Aug 7, 2009 10:57PM)
[quote]
On 2009-07-25 08:17, RC4MAG wrote:
I like the quality of the original cards better than the new release. The new cards are a little smaller and you need to be careful about doing this on a stage with lighting as the new ones are a bit translucent under the strong lights.
[/quote]

I agree. I like the old stock better.
Message: Posted by: rowland (Dec 28, 2009 11:36AM)
I have heard that some people have glued two sets together which will stop people being able to see through them in strong light and will probably make them easier to use. Daryl sells the cards separately without the DVD which makes them a bit cheaper for the second set.
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Mar 2, 2010 08:05PM)
Recently purchased these, and am very pleased with the quality. Now to sit down and learn the darn thing.

In the teaching video he shows you the routine performed and explained from a mirror perspective. Very helpful.
Message: Posted by: Elliott Hodges (Mar 12, 2010 12:00PM)
http://www.magicbox.uk.com/shop.php/shop/magic-tricks/children-39-s-and-cabaret/the-whole-thing-by-daryl/p_1598.html
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Mar 15, 2010 01:11PM)
Daryl is smooth as silk!
Message: Posted by: philvantee (Oct 14, 2011 02:45PM)
I ordered Daryl's set of the jumbo cards with DVD and spent quite a while learning his version of the routine.
Only then did I begin to break it down and simplify it.
His patter speaks to how "magic" should not be "confusion", but then he proceeds to be extremely confusing in the subsequent presentation.
After quite a few performances at the side tables at the Magic Castle, I had magician friends coming up to me to warn me that the 'hidden' aspects were showing very plainly through the flimsy card stock.
I did not care to purchase an additional set, just to glue them together to make them more usable, so I took the time to build my own set out of art supply matte board.
This was a bit challenging, but the end result was a set that is opaque in even the strongest back light conditions and I could not be more pleased.
It also gave me the opportunity to redesign the effect from a color standpoint. The new cards are black with bright yellow spots that really 'pop' from a great distance.
I performed the effect for 21 shows in the Parlour of Prestidigitation last week and was tickled to death with the reaction.
Message: Posted by: magicgeorge (Nov 29, 2011 09:06AM)
[quote]
On 2011-10-14 15:45, philvantee wrote:
I ordered Daryl's set of the jumbo cards with DVD and spent quite a while learning his version of the routine.
Only then did I begin to break it down and simplify it.
His patter speaks to how "magic" should not be "confusion", but then he proceeds to be extremely confusing in the subsequent presentation. [/quote]

That's exactly what I thought too. I suppose that's supposed to be the joke; he says it shouldn't be confusing and then it is.

I find that too confusing.

In some of the phases it is difficult to know what's supposed to have happened. I'm not sure all of the reveals are magical because I don't think the audience can remember what they have or haven't supposedly seen.

I think I'll do the same as you and learn the lot then simplify it.
Message: Posted by: Cameron Francis (Jan 9, 2012 12:46PM)
I was kind of disappointed when I saw the demo. I had read about the original in the Paul Hallas book and it sounded really fun. But when I saw the demo, I thought it was quite confusing and not very magical at all. There's no real mystery to it. The only real bit of magic is when one of the holes is healed. The rest of the trick reveals different backs which were never shown in the fist place. So where's the magic? I don't know. Maybe with the smaller version you can do some more convincing displays.
Message: Posted by: philvantee (Apr 18, 2020 06:12PM)
If anyone is interested, here is a new take on Emmerson & West's The (W)hole Thing, a. k. a., Daryl's (W)hole Card -
https://youtu.be/dalf1QEaUUI
Message: Posted by: Ed Oschmann (Aug 6, 2020 12:59PM)
Very nice Phil. Great outside of the box thinking!