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Topic: Best comedy stage trick/routine?
Message: Posted by: seanalexander (Nov 21, 2006 06:23PM)
Hi all,

I was wondering what your opinions were on the most funniest trick/routine available? I'm looking for a hillarious routine to use in my stage show.

Does anyone know who came up with DC's egg routine? And is it commercially available or is it exclusive to him?

Thanks

Sean
Message: Posted by: Jonton (Nov 21, 2006 06:44PM)
That's an easy one in my opinion...

Whit Haydn's 4 Ring Comedy Routine. Classic, yet modern enough to use in a "high tech" large scale show.

Just my 2 cents...
~Jonathan
Message: Posted by: BryanKelly (Dec 14, 2006 10:17AM)
I read the title of your question and was going to put Whit's 4 ring routine as well, but I see someone already beat me to it..
Message: Posted by: Sealegs (Dec 22, 2006 09:58PM)
Sean, you are not going to buy yourself funniness off the self.

I suspect you're interested because from the look of your publicity shot you do an illusion act and you want to add some lighter moments or (gulp) fill some time with a bit of fluffy 'light entertainment'in the show.

Unfortunately comedy cannot be bought off the shelf made to measure. I nearly found myself saying ...unlike illusions comedy cannot..etc...

But that's me making the same mistake about illusionists as you are making about comedy. You can buy an illusion or gag but owning it and knowing how it works doesn't make an illusion act or a comic.

Not what you want to hear I'm sure and on the surface of it not that helpful but in truth .... very helpful.

Neal :)
Message: Posted by: ToasterofDoom (Dec 23, 2006 11:55AM)
I agree: you can't buy comedy, just like you can't buy any other skills. And buying someone else's script can't work out well. Who else can perform "The Amazing Jonathan"'s routine?
Message: Posted by: seanalexander (Dec 23, 2006 02:32PM)
Hi Guys,

Yes I agree to a certain degree! But you can't tell me that Copperfield or any of the big names out there came up with all their routines? They have all been consulted (Steinmeyer, Gaughan, Don Wayne, just to name a few)! My point is that yes it may not be a good idea to copy word for word someone else's script/routine but I do feel that it is possible to find a routine and with work, mould it to make it your own with your own bits and pieces, as with Illusions, manipulation, etc, etc. Yes Neal I am an Iluusionist but do have one or two comedy moments in the show with a few one liners also and yes I am looking for a comedy routine to add a bit more light on the shade! I don't think it's a problem to learn a routine and adapt it accordingly to suit your style! There are several name magicians who have done EXACTLY that! And lets not forget comedians also! How many comedians have you seen doing the same gags and material? Ah but I hear you say that they have routined those same gags to come up with there own piece! Exactly what I'm saying....like Illusions, manipulation, general magic and of course comedy, you can take the basis and work it into your own adding your own bits and pieces!

Just my opinion...and no I'm not out there wanting to copy other peoples material.

BTW Neal, are you the same Neal Austin from the UK? The same one who did a certain 'climax' at the end of their sub trunk routine at a convention? If so THAT is comedy genius!

Regards and a Merry Christams to you all.


Sean
Message: Posted by: Sealegs (Dec 23, 2006 05:17PM)
Hi Sean,

Reading your last post it's obvious that you're not expecting to buy instant comedy of the shelf. :) Sorry that I made the assumption that you did.

I was thrown by the line in your initial post, "I'm looking for a hillarious routine to use in my stage show."

I guess that's one of the side effects of keeping a post brief. However realising now that you're expecting add your own imput :) I would recommend first deciding what type of effect you might be most comfortable performing, what's going to fit your style. ie: audience participation, something big and showy, something small and intimate, the magician in trouble, mind reading, etc. Then scan Tarbells and the internet to see what might fit the bill. You might find the process itself leads you to an idea.

Then see if you can add the comedy. This is sort of approaching the problem from the opposite direction. Rather than starting with an effect and working from there start with an idea and see what effects that leads you to. And don't be shy about asking for help. As you said even the big names use other peoples imput.

And yep I'm the Neal Austin from the UK. Thanks for the compliment about the sub trunk, glad you liked it. :) An example of letting an audience see your best qualities in an obvious way. :blush:

Happy Christmas. Neal :xmas:
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Dec 24, 2006 11:02AM)
God I love it when guys throw arround names like Copperfield.

How much money do you think goes into his routines? IF you want to spend that much time and money, yep you to can have comedy off the shelf.

See comedy is not something that is in a trick. The comedy is from YOU.

Linking rings are not inherantly funny. They can be made so.

Comedy is more about who you are as a performer, than the tricks you choose.
Message: Posted by: Sealegs (Dec 24, 2006 11:56AM)
Danny,

I think both my posts and Sean's last post made the same points. :)

Also you don't have to have Copperfield's budget to get imput from others. You might even get advice for free. And money spent on getting direction or maybe even a script written for a comedy bit is as likely to be of at least as much value as any money spent on something from a magic dealer.

Happy Christmas Neal :xmas:
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Dec 24, 2006 04:52PM)
By the way did ANYONE but me think the girl is a stooge?

Just asking.
Message: Posted by: mesmer (Dec 24, 2006 06:51PM)
No the Girl is the illusionist.....the Handsome chap is the Stage Assistant....by the way Sean...I agree with Neal...before you hire any consultant, Comedy is a thing that you can learn to write with yourself, who knows better about yourself than you...and your Stage Assistant

I am a Hypnotist/Mentalist and for years and years I learn all I could learn about it.....last night after reading few post at this section of the Café, I just realise that I never learn properly about comedy.....20 min ago I just place an order at Amazon.com and buy few books on how to write Comedy...its a start Tou!
Message: Posted by: seanalexander (Dec 27, 2006 11:32AM)
Hi guys,

Thanks for your input. Mesmer I think a few books on writing comedy is a good start! Actually I was best man at my friends wedding this summer and I got a gr8 book on writing speaches and how to link to pieces together from one gag to the next and from one subject to another, it was very good and........the speach was a fantastic success with everyone comenting on how the speaches were the best and most funniest they had ever heard! I think I might do a search on amazon myself!

Neal thanx for the input, I might just pick your brain later with one or two ideas (when I get straight in my head where I want to be going with the comedy!) Actually let me make a start now......I suppose in my mind & personality the most funniest pieces that I find funny are those where the audience are aware of what is happening but the spectator dosen't! Also borrowing an item from an audience member and it all apparantly going wrong gets me laughing! What about combining these 2 comedy angles in a single routine? Any thoughts ideas? I ideally want to create a routine or adapt one which is compact using small minimal props. I already do cheating the gallows with 5 guys and one of them being sent to the gallows which plays very well and gets good reaction, but the only downfall is the size of the prop! The gallows is about 8ft high and so won't fit in all venues and is just another large prop to carry!

Anyway I'm gonna go have I think and if anyone has any comments them please let me know.

BTW Neal I didn't actually see your sub trunk routine but heard about it from a certain Mr Raffles (Jnr)!! Did I hear right the old gits didn't appreciate it? I would have loved to have seen their faces....My kind of comedy! lol

Regards


Sean
Message: Posted by: Sealegs (Dec 29, 2006 08:47AM)
Sean, For the audience in the know approach you might want to check out:

The Macombical Deck ( might have spelt that wrong). I've posted a version of it here somewhere. It almost certainly won't be anything you can use, (I end up dressed in a superhero costume :) ), but it might give you an idea of the different ways you could go with it.

Otherwise there's Steve Bedwells manuscript 'In Over Your Head'. It reads very well and seems to be brilliantly constructed. It's a cut and restored rope with the elements of the paper balls over the head built into it. I know Steve has had great success with it... but you'd expect him to as he developed the routine.:)

Neal
Message: Posted by: The Sorcerer (Dec 30, 2006 11:17AM)
My vote goes to Tommy Cooper's vanishing cabinet. But could you make that as funny as he did?
Message: Posted by: Brent McLeod (Jan 3, 2007 02:44AM)
2 Comedy routines I have great success with at over a 100 Corporate shows a year!-keeping in mind I'm not a comedy type act but have my own personality on each routine

Jumbo Mc Combical deck with assistant on stage-usually one of the hosts of the event etc-plays huge to a lay audience

Silk to egg-I have played this to crowds of over 800 people & bought the house down-I finish my own act with this after all the music & Illusions etc

leaves the audience laughing & having a great time as you say goodnight etc

Regards-Brent
Message: Posted by: seanalexander (Jan 5, 2007 05:34PM)
Hi Guys,

Just watched a video clip of the McCombical deck! Interesting......Brent the silk to egg routine - do you do eggsposure? Where you crack the egg at the end? I used to do this while having a kid on stage, teaching them the trick and of course cracking the egg at the end as the climax! played well!

I think I may have to get the McComb deck and In over your head and try to build upo them!

Thanx guys


Sean
Message: Posted by: God-glorified (Jan 5, 2007 07:35PM)
Cut and restored rope plots are great as depending on the performer (and their are a lot of them that do these) you can change the entire atmosphere of the effect from odd mystery to hilarious comedy.
My recomendation.
Mongolian Pop Knot by Whit Haydn (VERY GOOD)
Message: Posted by: God-glorified (Jan 5, 2007 07:37PM)
On the other hand if you would like to use a volunteer......which I would actually reccommend you cant use the silk and egg or the mongolian pop knot, but I would also reccommend one of the mccombical decks
NOTE: look aroung there is a regular card version and a few others (I think with paintings and cereal boxes) this opens up yourself to different types of gags so take your time in picking! :)
Message: Posted by: Brent McLeod (Jan 7, 2007 12:25AM)
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On 2007-01-05 18:34, seanalexander wrote:
Hi Guys,

Just watched a video clip of the McCombical deck! Interesting......Brent the silk to egg routine - do you do eggsposure? Where you crack the egg at the end? I used to do this while having a kid on stage, teaching them the trick and of course cracking the egg at the end as the climax! played well!

I think I may have to get the McComb deck and In over your head and try to build upo them!

Thanx guys


Sean
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Sean-

Yes!- the "Silk to Egg" I use is the version where I crack the egg at the end into a small glass bowl!

I really make a point of having only the bowl on a small table & speaking slowly into the mic
as I am about to crack the egg-you can hear a pin drop prior to this as most people are saying no way is that real!!!!-You can almost hold the suspense for a few extra seconds!!_very important when doing this

Then going from silence to a huge laugh plus applause is a good way to finish your act

I use the Viking Magic version-the fake egg is so realistic

I perform this at every show I do-I don't perform childrens shows -only student & corporate in Hotels & clubs & it is a highlight in all shows!!

Mc Combical deck-Jumbo-is also a huge laugh for lay audience as they think theve got you & you stuffed up a trick-but obviously youhave a double whammy finish to great applause & laughter

I find these effects mean you don't have to be a natural comic to perform but present them in a way that makes it fun & the rest takes care of its self!

cheers

-Brent
Message: Posted by: wally (Jan 9, 2007 08:20AM)
I would like to try the silk to egg, but theres not many white eggs in uk???
Message: Posted by: Eric Lott (Jan 9, 2007 01:12PM)
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On 2007-01-09 09:20, wally wrote:
I would like to try the silk to egg, but theres not many white eggs in uk???
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I'm assuming you guys eat brown eggs. You could paint or die one of the white eggs. Maybe soak it overnight in coffee or wood stain or something like that. Might be worth a shot.
Message: Posted by: Keith Brown (Jan 9, 2007 06:52PM)
Been around magic for years and seemed to have missed the 4 ring routine. Is there a place to see it? Perhaps on youtube? Or maybe I have and just didn't realize the name or originator. ???
Keith
Message: Posted by: Cheety (Jan 11, 2007 08:56AM)
It's on google vids and on whit haydns site
Message: Posted by: The Sorcerer (Jan 11, 2007 04:51PM)
I also love multiplying Martinis,
Message: Posted by: seanalexander (Jan 12, 2007 11:38AM)
Wally,

I used a dark flesh cloloured acrylic paint with mine which did the job...It just needed touching up every now and then!

Oh...When I said had kid on stage that was during a family show not a kids show!

Been considering getting multiplying martini bottles! Although I like the idea of doing it silently maybe?? Just to do a bit different!

Sean

BTW How do you present your egg routine? I used to explain that I was going to teach them all a trick (which obviously is what the trick is about) but felt that it worked better with a family show and having the kid on stage teaching him the trick, etc! Maybe I'm being a bit shallow minded here thinking that I could only use it with kids in the audience! (BTW we do adult and corporate shows also!)

What do you think? It's obviously working well for you Brent with adults!
Message: Posted by: Rupert Bair (Jan 12, 2007 09:08PM)
[quote]

The Macombical Deck ( might have spelt that wrong). I've posted a version of it here somewhere. It almost certainly won't be anything you can use, (I end up dressed in a superhero costume :) ), but it might give you an idea of the different ways you could go with it.

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Genius! please enlighten me, glad there's more people that dress up in there act! I sometimes do a Superman and Superrabbit card trick. Its quite out there tho. Infact rather bizzare.

Also silk to egg, you can buy cheap brown fake eggs from the joke shop and cut a hole into them yourself.

Matt
Message: Posted by: mcharisse (Jan 14, 2007 09:09PM)
I do an egg bag routine that includes the egg breaking in my pocket, good for many laugh - from there I break the real raw egg I always use into a dove pan, to flaming book - lots of laughs as I pretend not to notice, etc, to the production of a rubber chicken.

Props are old hat but for kid or mixed audiences, the patter and presentation work great for me. (I just bought Wolf's Wacky Weasel, - a trick that's bound to be funny.
Message: Posted by: Dynamike (Jan 16, 2007 01:28AM)
Comedy Card Babies by Dave Devin is a killer. It is a trick and comedy rountine in one. It is for sell at Murphy's, Hank Lee, Hocus Pocus and a few others. You should order the lager size for stage.
Message: Posted by: Brent McLeod (Jan 16, 2007 02:24AM)
[quote]
On 2007-01-12 12:38, seanalexander wrote:

BTW How do you present your egg routine? I used to explain that I was going to teach them all a trick (which obviously is what the trick is about) but felt that it worked better with a family show and having the kid on stage teaching him the trick, etc! Maybe I'm being a bit shallow minded here thinking that I could only use it with kids in the audience! (BTW we do adult and corporate shows also!)

What do you think? It's obviously working well for you Brent with adults!
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Sean-

Pretty much the same format of showing them a trick that they can user on family & friends etc-I base my routine loosely on Michael Ammars Idea from his book & spoke to him about it a couple of years ago & he recommended performing this for adults-it plays well

I also have trouble getting white eggs-1 part of the city -none

A few miles drive & the odd place has them-I buy a tray at atime & keep about a dozen for shows
Cheers
Message: Posted by: Tomer (Jan 19, 2007 11:19AM)
I also use the Viking version of Silk to Egg.
I like to finish it by peeling off what appears to be the silk from the egg, and then I break it off.
I like to ask for someone's drink when doing it, very funny when you crack an egg in there =)

Tomer
Message: Posted by: Steven Conner (Feb 26, 2007 05:22PM)
The pink poodle is awfully funny.