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Topic: hypnosis and magic
Message: Posted by: arran (Jan 27, 2002 06:35AM)
This group is for "mentalism and hypnosis'. But there are many who say that hypnosis does not belong in the realm of magic at all.

Since hypnosis can genuinely alter people's consciousness and open up new ways of thinking, perhaps hypnosis IS in the realm of magic, whereas card tricks are not!

What do you think?

arran
Message: Posted by: Mr Amazing (Jan 27, 2002 10:48AM)
It's what you make it! ...just as e.g comedy, juggling, etc, etc, has and hasn't a place in magic/mentalism.

IMO it is a loss to exclude it however, especially in mentalism where we often claim real powers of the mind - and someone elses mind. Hypnosis makes this latter claim also, so it should mesh well. Consider also the many mentalists that *do* employ hypnosis in their mentalism successfully.

(However, "be careful" not to mistake e.g mentalism for hypnosis, as it can be used as a mere presentational bit, rather than actually doing the real thing.)

Sincerely,

/M
Message: Posted by: Drewmcadam (Jan 27, 2002 12:58PM)
Then there is pseudo-hypnosis, as in "flash hypnosis" or stopping my pulse, which I often use as a demonstration of how the mind controls the body as part of an explanation to the effects other than "it's all psychic"
Message: Posted by: Rodan (Feb 15, 2002 10:03PM)
As I move from Hypnotherapy into mentalism I am looking for angles that combine the two.
Working therapeutically, IMHO, definately incorporates aspects of cold reading.
The Hypno in me says that all hypnosis is self-hypnosis anyway.
Utilising hypnosis to learn the 'hidden' powers of the human mind is a powerful angle. I can definitely see where this can tie into the mentalists routine in some areas.
I know these comments are a bit disjointed.
A bit of stream of consciousness.
You could always do a real arm piercing/needle thru arm, using hypnosis as the anaesthetic, if you're really keen.
:idea:
Message: Posted by: fordkross (Feb 16, 2002 05:08PM)
While not too sure about the blendiing of magic and hypnosis. One obviously, illusion, the other real. The blending of mentalism and hypnosis is IMO, natural as each adds to the credibility of the other. Derren Brown's recent work has blended the two as has, in the past, my Suggestive Mentalis, Orville Meyers Telepathy in action, and to a lesser extent IMO, Kentonism
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Ford
Message: Posted by: Lee Marelli (Feb 16, 2002 10:26PM)
Ford, great to hear someone else remembers Orville Meyers', Telepathy In Action. I may be wrong, but I think like some of Orville's works, it was ahead of its time. To my knowledge, it combines mentalism and "hypnosis" in a way no one else was doing or is doing today. Talk about a minimalist mentalism act, this is the ultimate. I believe, that a thinking mentalist could take that MS and turn it into a miracle act.
Message: Posted by: fordkross (Feb 16, 2002 10:54PM)
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On 2002-02-16 23:26, Marelli wrote:
Ford, great to hear someone else remembers Orville Meyers', Telepathy In Action. I may be wrong, but I think like some of Orville's works, it was ahead of its time. To my knowledge, it combines mentalism and "hypnosis" in a way no one else was doing or is doing today. Talk about a minimalist mentalism act, this is the ultimate. I believe, that a thinking mentalist could take that MS and turn it into a miracle act.
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Well not exactly, I've been doing"Suggestive Mentalism since the late 80's an act based on Orville's booklet. Put out two booklets, Suggestive Mentalism An Introduction, And Suggestive Mentalism a Continuation. It's a seamless blend of mind reading and hypnosis, you not only read minds but control them
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Ford
Message: Posted by: Lee Marelli (Feb 16, 2002 11:10PM)
Should have known about your books, but unfortunatly I did not. Are these PEA exclusive publications or available to any mentalist?
Message: Posted by: fordkross (Feb 17, 2002 12:48PM)
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On 2002-02-17 00:10, Marelli wrote:
Should have known about your books, but unfortunatly I did not. Are these PEA exclusive publications or available to any mentalist?
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They are exclusice but not to PEA. Though release has been primarily within PEA. They are relatively expensive. So, I try to restrict sales to those who will understand how to use them. Which requires a working knowledge of both mentalism and hypnosis. I also usually rarely sell in the area that In work, [NY/NJ metro area]. Some people get annoyed because I won't sell to them. But I'd rather that than sell to some one who won't appreciate the act
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Ford
Message: Posted by: Lee Marelli (Feb 17, 2002 04:28PM)
Thanks for the information Ford. I can understand your thinking and motivation concerning your books. There is no law that says everyone has to have everything. Looking forward to your continuing to post in the mentalists' forum.
Message: Posted by: Martino (Feb 18, 2002 05:36AM)
Sorry if I sound a bit thick here, but what's PEA?
Message: Posted by: sludge (Feb 18, 2002 07:26AM)
PEA = psychic entertainers association
http://www.oratory.com/pea/
Message: Posted by: Martino (Feb 20, 2002 04:50AM)
Doh!

Cheers sludge - I should have guessed!

Martino.
Message: Posted by: J ack Galloway (Mar 5, 2005 05:57PM)
I use a hypnosis as part of my sponger ball act.
It is acalled the nose from the Midnight Carnival of Wonder.

Cheers

Jack