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Topic: Tossed Out Deck Info Please
Message: Posted by: mysticalmike (Dec 8, 2006 10:55PM)
Without giving away the method is there a big difference in the following tossed out decks, Gazzo, Regal, Fisher and are the others available?
Thanks,
Mike
Message: Posted by: Dave V (Dec 9, 2006 01:43AM)
You forgot Hoy. Gazzo's is essentially Hoy's TOD with some added handling. That's not saying it's not good. It is.
Message: Posted by: David Regal (Dec 9, 2006 08:11AM)
My tossed-out deck, "In Flight" allows the deck to be spectator examined and shuffled prior to the deck going out into the audience. My aim was to produce a sensation of total conviction that all was on the up & up before the effect occured, the idea being to create a strong feeling of "NO &#%@* WAY..." when the minds are "read". Aside from that addition, I essentially perform the tossed-out deck as it has been done for years - but I should add that Wayne Dobson gave me permission to include his very clever technique in regard to calling out the selections.

It ain't bad. I performed "In Flight" in my lecture at the International Magic convention in England a couple of weeks ago. I then EXPLAINED HOW THE DECK WORKS, and offered them for sale (they are not complicated, but not cheap), and I sold out.
Message: Posted by: qichi (Dec 13, 2006 05:42PM)
Do you guys ever feel like you're not getting enough out of the Tossed Out Deck? I mean to say...that while it hits hard enough in affect, the routine tends to flyby so quickly...sometimes I just wish there was more to be milked from the presentation.

Or maybe TOD's bound to be a stepping stone forever...
Message: Posted by: Snidini (Dec 23, 2006 09:34PM)
Qichi, if you feel you're not getting enough out of the tossed out deck, you should look into Bruce Bernstein's routine for the TOD. I believe it called PSI deck?

Snidini
Message: Posted by: mysticalmike (Dec 23, 2006 10:31PM)
All I am trying to find out is the difference of each that all I don't want to know how they are done. Do all of them use the same method or what?
Message: Posted by: jakeg (Dec 24, 2006 07:25AM)
Mike .... where in In Flight advertised? I'm looking to toss a deck in the audience where 2 cards can be looked at and revealed. Very straight foward. If necessary, I can have a spectator come up and confirm the deck.
jake g
Message: Posted by: Picard (Dec 24, 2006 10:18AM)
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On 2006-12-08 23:55, mysticalmike wrote:
Without giving away the method is there a big difference in the following tossed out decks, Gazzo, Regal, Fisher and are the others available?
Thanks,
Mike
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"Different kind of tossed out deck" from http://www.falsecuts.com is a good one.
Message: Posted by: Larry Davidson (Dec 24, 2006 12:53PM)
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On 2006-12-13 18:42, qichi wrote:
"...the routine tends to flyby so quickly...sometimes I just wish there was more to be milked from the presentation...."
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Check out Wayne Dobson's solution.
Message: Posted by: Ron Reid (Dec 27, 2006 06:23AM)
Hello:

Yes, Larry is right about Wayne Dobson. He explains his routine on his "Unclamped" DVD, and he shows how to maximize the audience response. It does make it so the effect is not over so quickly.

Ron
Message: Posted by: paisa23 (Feb 8, 2007 04:20PM)
A lot of info in this thread. Thanks a lot fellas.
Message: Posted by: bitterman (Feb 9, 2007 05:59PM)
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On 2006-12-13 18:42, qichi wrote:
Do you guys ever feel like you're not getting enough out of the Tossed Out Deck? I mean to say...that while it hits hard enough in affect, the routine tends to flyby so quickly...sometimes I just wish there was more to be milked from the presentation.

Or maybe TOD's bound to be a stepping stone forever...
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Check out John Archer's version on his Educating Archer DVD. He gets some good milage out of it.
Message: Posted by: Jlowhy (Feb 11, 2007 09:06PM)
I have John Archer's version of the TOD but haven't had any exposure to other TOD versions. I'll like to ask that for other versions of TOD, are there any that actually use a specially produced deck of cards with a special mechanism or is the difference mainly in the presentation and handling? Thanks.
Message: Posted by: ChristopherM (Feb 12, 2007 03:19PM)
There are both, and a few other methods to achieve the effect too.
Message: Posted by: DonHendrix (Feb 22, 2007 08:12AM)
Gazzo's tossed out deck is NOT the tossed out deck. What he has added is a great ending, but it is not the same trick. The ending depends on a card that is selected from a deck that is not "tossed out". In my opinion, this makes it a differnet effect. Archer and Dobson's routines are true tossed out deck routines. Also, the description of Gazzo's that is in all of the ads is deceptive, as is the video demo. It is a great trick, but it is not the traditional tossed out deck.
Message: Posted by: adramindmagic (Mar 4, 2007 11:10PM)
There's also the Cassandra deck and the Outlaw deck. Both can be examined.
Message: Posted by: silverking (Mar 28, 2007 09:50PM)
Hoy's is simple, effective, and one of the grandaddy TOD routines.

I strongly reccomend you spend $3.95 (I can't believe that price!) for the wonderfully presented Hoy TOD routine from:
http://www.trickshop.com/tossed_out_deck.html

I've ordered quite a few items from these guys and every single one of them has been killer.

When you read Hoy's TOD, you're reading one of the core principles of a lot of mentalisim routines.
The routine is deadly, but remember that the Hoy routine depends as much on your presentation and spectator management skills as it does on the mechanics of the effect.
Message: Posted by: Grampa Wizard (Jun 15, 2010 11:45PM)
And there is Devin Knight's Outta Sight. A clever combo of principles. And as always his instructions, patter, and presentation are very well thought out and well-detailed. Like In Flight this deck can be shuffled, even spread by a spectator, but since I don't have In Flight, I don't know the differences in principles employed.
Message: Posted by: BryanKelly (Nov 28, 2010 04:58AM)
I am currently performing the same research as OP.

I found this thread of a comparison between the Octopus Deck and the Versatile Tossed Out Deck which is relavent: http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=346839&forum=109

The only TOD I'm familiar with is the Gazzo Deck. He is open about it basically being Hoy deck (with a small change) but I would agree with DonHendrix that the advertisement is a little misleading and his routine isn't purely a tossed out deck. But the live performances contained in the DVD are well worth the price.

I think I'm going to try the Octopus Deck next. Unless someone can convince me otherwise.
Message: Posted by: squando (Dec 18, 2010 06:30PM)
What are your thoughts on the Octopus Deck?
Message: Posted by: the fritz (Dec 18, 2010 11:37PM)
Max Maven also has a version on his VideoMind series called Tossed Out Tech. If you have these DVD's check it out.
Message: Posted by: Bob1Dog (Jan 7, 2011 12:18AM)
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On 2007-03-28 22:50, silverking wrote:
Hoy's is simple, effective, and one of the grandaddy TOD routines.

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Amen silverking; I read Hoy and I have Gazzo's. Completely different. I thought Hoy developed TOD but I might be wrong. As you point out, Hoy is simple, direct, and I'll add, BOLD. (Much in the same way as Dean Dill's Blizzard is Bold, though in a different handling) As you rightly say, it's about presentation. I'm not a card guy or a mentalist and I won't even begin to try this until I'm ready. I also know this from what I've read and been told: The effect plays better in larger groups compared to snmaller groups, no matter how it's done.