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Topic: Brands of Cards...
Message: Posted by: scrapdizzy (Dec 12, 2006 11:31PM)
Is Bicycle the only brand to consider? I noticed at the dollar store today they sell 2 packs for $1. I picked them up, cant tell a difference yet. They might fall apart soon I'm sure.

Does the brand really matter?
Message: Posted by: BrianMillerMagic (Dec 12, 2006 11:49PM)
The brand does matter in a couple different ways:

-The quality of the cards and the feel are extremely important as a serious card worker.
-The look of the backs will either help or hinder certain types of effects. A few brands are also more commonly known to laypeople, and this makes for more credibility instead of spectators wrongly jumping to the conclusion of "special" cards.

Bicycles are pretty much accepted as the World Standard, or at least one of the most commonly used by serious card workers because of their quality and feel. Laypeople are used to seeing Bikes and thus these make for a perfect deck. Other standard brands are Tally-Ho and Bees.

At some point it still comes down to a personal preference. Over time you will notice a significant difference between different brands, especially between Bikes/Bees and dollar store cards.
Message: Posted by: DomKabala (Dec 13, 2006 05:19AM)
The first pack of cards that I picked and played with was the cards that our family used to play Casino, Crazy Eights, Poker and Rummy. I grew up playing cards as this was what families did for entertainment back in '50s. My father was in the Navy and they used Bikes and Aviators, so we used the same cards. When I began to study magic in the '60s I didn't deviate, I used Bikes. Do yourself a favor, use the best quality cards and forget those 2 for a buck deals at the dollar store if you are serious, don't skimp on your tools. Also, do some experimenting with Tally Ho, Bee, Aviator, Hoyle & Stud brands (all are made by USPC). Bicycle rider backs are the standard and most people who perform use them exclusively.
Cardamagically,
<<<KRazy4KaRdZ>>> :)
Message: Posted by: jcards01 (Dec 13, 2006 05:57AM)
It's been my experience that the backs don't matter except if the have a border or not depending what you want to do with them.

Do yourself a favor and try different backs. I personally prefer Tally Ho to Bicycles. But there are other brands.
Message: Posted by: Ed_Millis (Dec 13, 2006 08:22AM)
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On 2006-12-13 00:31, scrapdizzy wrote:
I noticed at the dollar store today they sell 2 packs for $1. I picked them up, cant tell a difference yet. They might fall apart soon I'm sure.
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They will!! They're layers of cheap paper glued together, and they have no coating. After a few times of inserting the Ace in the deck, you'll notice the edges beginning to fray. They don't hold up well to any kind of serious practicing for any length of time, bend and crease easily, and do not handle the same as "regular" cards.

The only time I will use these is for one part of my kid's show - I have three tricks in a row using the same signed card the kid keeps at the end. There are no sleights involved so I really don't have to worry about handling and manipulation, and I don't give away a card from an expensive deck.

Ed
Message: Posted by: scrapdizzy (Dec 13, 2006 09:52AM)
Thanks guys. Off to buy some Bicycles. I noticed Costco has a pack of 14 decks for $10.
Message: Posted by: Stanyon (Dec 13, 2006 10:00AM)
Ah, the lowly STREAMLINE made by USPCC. Poker size, smooth finish, plastic coated...you can still find these at Big Lots and some of the other "discontinued and overstock" stores for $.99 a deck! Back in the day when I sessioned with Jim Molinari, Randy Wakeman, Glen Bishop and a few other guys (at the local Pizza Hut), these were Randy's preferred cards of choice. I still use them when I don't mind tossing them at the end of the evening.

FWIW

Cheers! ;)
Message: Posted by: sjdavison (Dec 13, 2006 10:03AM)
I think bikes are probably the most commonly used by magicians.

That said, in the UK they are not as common, most decks are the sort that people pick up in pubs, and cheap shops. However, to be honest, the deck does not really matter to the spectator - all they are is a deck of cards, Use what makes you most comfortable, I think that is why so many magicians use bicycles - they have always used them.

Some 'magicians' think that having a 'cool' brand of cards will make your magic more impressive - I am thinking along the lines of the Tiger decks. If this is the case, then there is something seriously wrong with your magic! To the spectator. they are just a deck of cards that they would play cards with. Nothing more.

Simon
Message: Posted by: montemagic (Dec 13, 2006 11:06AM)
For me it is all in the coating on the cards. I test them all with a thumb fan, if they spread nicely, I will use them. Bicycle, Bee, Tally-Ho, Aviator all have good coatings. Hoyle are the worst.
Message: Posted by: scrapdizzy (Dec 13, 2006 11:15AM)
Haha...these dollar store cards are already splitting.

figures.

You get what you pay for eh guys!?!?
Message: Posted by: BrianMillerMagic (Dec 13, 2006 11:32AM)
Yes you do! If you have a BJ's around you, they sell Bikes in packs of 12 (6 red and 6 blue) for $15, which is a hell of a deal.
Message: Posted by: scrapdizzy (Dec 13, 2006 11:36AM)
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On 2006-12-13 12:32, BrianMillerMagic wrote:
Yes you do! If you have a BJ's around you, they sell Bikes in packs of 12 (6 red and 6 blue) for $15, which is a hell of a deal.
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Costco. 15 packs actually for $12 on sale right now, I thought it was $10 but still a good deal!
Message: Posted by: ToasterofDoom (Dec 13, 2006 07:32PM)
I use bikes because all my gaffed decks are bikes.
Message: Posted by: scrapdizzy (Dec 13, 2006 07:41PM)
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On 2006-12-13 20:32, ToasterofDoom wrote:
I use bikes because all my gaffed decks are bikes.
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Gaffed? Sorry that's probably a newb question.
Message: Posted by: Foucault (Dec 14, 2006 06:47AM)
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On 2006-12-13 20:41, scrapdizzy wrote:
Gaffed? Sorry that's probably a newb question.
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Trick decks or cards.
Message: Posted by: scrapdizzy (Dec 14, 2006 10:48AM)
Gotcha.

hey does anyone know if there is a way to get auto responses to threads that you did NOT start?
Message: Posted by: RandyWakeman (Dec 14, 2006 02:06PM)
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On 2006-12-13 11:00, Stanyon wrote:
Ah, the lowly STREAMLINE made by USPCC. Poker size, smooth finish, plastic coated...you can still find these at Big Lots and some of the other "discontinued and overstock" stores for $.99 a deck! Back in the day when I sessioned with Jim Molinari, Randy Wakeman, Glen Bishop and a few other guys (at the local Pizza Hut), these were Randy's preferred cards of choice. I still use them when I don't mind tossing them at the end of the evening.

FWIW

Cheers! ;)


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"Those were the days."

Back then, USPC quality was at an all-time low-- every pack was a new adventure. When Arrco made them, they were uniform, spread well, and were a "medium" thickness card that made many passes and deals silent. And, of course, it was easy enough to go through 4 or 5 packs an evening working behind the bar.
Message: Posted by: Andy the cardician (Dec 14, 2006 04:49PM)
I wonder when they start to be "made in China" . . . .
Message: Posted by: scottthegreat (Dec 14, 2006 06:02PM)
I like tally hos If you can find them. Bikes are the standard. But you can use bee aviator and so on. Look on ebay. They sell lots of them cheap.

Scott
Message: Posted by: scrapdizzy (Jan 24, 2007 01:44AM)
I cant seem to find pics of the Aviator backs, anyone have a pic of them? also the Bee's.
Message: Posted by: DomKabala (Jan 24, 2007 04:00AM)
http://www.usplayingcard.com/
Cardamagically,
<<<KRaZy4KaRdZ>>> :)
Message: Posted by: Ethan the emazing (Jan 24, 2007 02:19PM)
Go buy three or four boxes! You are saving $18 buying them there than buying one a piece at Walmart!
Message: Posted by: DaddyDoodle (Jan 24, 2007 02:32PM)
Aviators! You can't hardly find them anymore though Bikes have taken over the market as the card of choice. Wish I could find a place like Costco or Sam's that sells bundles of Aviators....

Of course, almost ALL of your gimmicks are now coming in Bikes only.
Message: Posted by: DStachowiak (Jan 24, 2007 05:16PM)
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On 2007-01-24 15:32, DaddyDoodle wrote:
Aviators! You can't hardly find them anymore though Bikes have taken over the market as the card of choice. Wish I could find a place like Costco or Sam's that sells bundles of Aviators....

Of course, almost ALL of your gimmicks are now coming in Bikes only.
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You used to be able to buy Aviator poker decks in a twelve pack at Walmart, but I haven't seen them lately. For some odd reason, they seem to be sold at liquor stores around here, about $2 a deck. This leads me to believe there is a liquor wholesaler who stocks them. It might be worth checking around if you prefer them.
I haven't seen Aviator Bridge decks in years. They had a completely different back design than the Poker size. What some of the older members may remember is that Fox Lake cards, Haines House of Cards brand of gaffs, have identical backs to the old Aviator bridge decks.
Message: Posted by: scrapdizzy (Jan 24, 2007 09:45PM)
IS Aviator better than Bicycle or BEE?
Message: Posted by: DaddyDoodle (Jan 24, 2007 10:16PM)
Aviator pokers are fantastic. GREAT for fanning and flourishes. I have a 15-year old deck of Aviator Poker Playing Cards that fans better than anything else I own. The ONLY thing I've ever done to them is place them in my card press. They're like an old worn-in pair of boots. Can't beat the feeling. =)
Message: Posted by: scrapdizzy (Jan 24, 2007 10:20PM)
So how does the overall concensus of ratings go?

Aviators and Tally Hos are considerably better than Bikes but Bikes are most common so everybody just uses them?
Message: Posted by: Intuition (Jan 24, 2007 10:20PM)
Bicycles are pretty much the standard right now. Everyone is using them and they are pretty good for magic too. The nice thing about bicycle's is that the audience recognizes the cards and does not suspect you are using a trick deck. That said there are better decks out there for manipulation. I would highly recommend Tally-Ho for performing flourishes.
Message: Posted by: ilusionista (Jan 28, 2007 01:42AM)
All of my cards are Bikes but tonight on a whim I happened to see some Bee's and Aviator's and couldn't pass them up, mainly because of this thread. I have to be honest - I am not impressed by the Bee's. The coating is ok but there is no border on the back which I really don't like.
Message: Posted by: scrapdizzy (Jan 28, 2007 01:48AM)
Picked up a pack of SPlit Spades....nice cards but too thin for my taste.

I have to say all my faves right now are my Bikes right behind my Tally Ho Vipers, those are still hands down the nicest.
Message: Posted by: Justin R (Jan 28, 2007 05:35PM)
Does anybody here still use Studs sinced they changed the colors on them? I read that they still felt the same but I bought a couple of decks about a month ago and they don't feel anything like what I remember the old style felt like:(
Message: Posted by: scrapdizzy (Jan 29, 2007 12:03AM)
Anyone know if the regular Tally Hos have the same finish and feel as the Vipers?