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Topic: Best Playing Cards
Message: Posted by: LegendaryEgos (Dec 30, 2006 01:33AM)
Hello all. I just want to give a quick review for the Master Bicycle Deck that http://www.ellusionist.com sells. If you are looking for a great deck of cards that just feel awesome in your hands. These cards will last longer than the normal Bicycle's. The cards look like normal red Bicycle back cards but they have a redesigned Ace of spades. If you need some cards, check them out.

The other cards I recently got is the Ghost Deck by http://www.ellusionist.com. These are also great cards. The white/black backs give the deck a unique look that is very impressive. The other thing about these cards is the hearts and diamonds (the pips) except for the ones in the corner of the card which are red but outlined in black. This gives the deck a black and white look that is just awesome. The black cards are normal. This is another quality deck from http://www.ellusionist.com if you interested in a deck with a very unique look.

Marc

Oh and I also got a Stripper deck in the Ghost design and it is the best cut Stripper deck that I have ever got. You can't tell its a stripper deck as the cuts are so slight but the deck works like a dream...check this one out if you want a stripper deck.
Message: Posted by: Jeff J. (Dec 30, 2006 11:08AM)
There was already a thread about those cards. It seems that most people didn't think they were worth the price.
Message: Posted by: wise owl (Dec 30, 2006 04:29PM)
They are expensive but look real cool.

I like tiger deck best and I think it is the only one that worth every cents you paid.
Message: Posted by: LegendaryEgos (Dec 30, 2006 04:32PM)
I paid 4.99 for the Ghost Deck and 3.99 for the Master Deck...to me those are great buys. The cards are so nice that I don't think I will use regular Bicycles anymore. Just my opinion
Message: Posted by: EddyRay (Dec 30, 2006 09:36PM)
Masters Deck is a high quality card deck, lasts a lot longer than a normal deck. I agree with you gobrownstd54 , I will not go back to regular bikes.
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Dec 30, 2006 09:49PM)
The "best" deck is relative. The Master's deck looks good, but I strongly dislike the Ace of Spades. Richard Turner's new deck beats all of them. They are cut from the correct side of the sheet. They are the proper thickness.

But all of this, other than Richard's cards, is old news.
Message: Posted by: MagiClyde (Dec 31, 2006 12:32AM)
Ok, Bill, you mention Richard Turner's deck, but where can I go to look at these cards?
Message: Posted by: LegendaryEgos (Dec 31, 2006 02:07AM)
The stripper decks are pretty expensive but the quality is awesome. The other stripper deck I have, you can see the cut very easily so anyone paying any attention can tell its a trick deck. With the Ghost Stripper deck (Hindu) whether its the print on the cards or the cut is very slight, you can't tell its a stripper deck at all. Awesome quality. I got the Hindu deck and will probably get the Belly deck soon.

Ghost HINDU Stripper Deck = $10.50

Ghost Belly Stripper Deck = $11.50

I just checked out the Richard Turner deck and I just don't like the look. I am sure the quality is great but I prefer the look of the Bicycles. Here is a link for those interested.

http://www.richardturner52.com/cards.html



Marc
Message: Posted by: LegendaryEgos (Feb 8, 2007 04:31PM)
Ok...I love the Ghost Deck....BUT

The first deck I got started to warp. I thought it was because of the Card clip I got from Ellusionist (one of their metal ones) so I sent it back and got a Porper clip. I broke out a new deck and started using my new Porper clip. Same thing happens!!! So, I ordered 3 more packs. Just got them today. I will not be using any clips at all on these...well after shuffling them and dribbling them a couple times, these friggin things are starting to warp also!!!! It's like if you grap the top and bottom (short sides) and squeeze it will make a clicking sound and the deck will be slightly bent that way. Then you do it the other way and the same thing happens but the cards are bent the oppisite way. This is killing me. I have always used Bicycle cards and have NEVER had any decks do this before...I even have old decks and they don't do it....I never knew it could happen until I got this Ghost Deck.

I love the Ghost Deck but if this continues to happen, I will have to stop using them. I know about all the ways to straighten them, and beleive me, I have done them all...On my old decks, I would put them every other card turned over with a 20lbs weight on them for a week! They were good for about 30 mins and then back to the warp...

PLEASE HELP ME!
DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE THIS HAPPEN??

Marc
Message: Posted by: Tempesta (Feb 9, 2007 12:33PM)
What type of Porper Clip did you use?

There's one specifically made for the Premium Edition decks, and a regular one.

I know that when my decks do this, it's because my hands get sweaty or the cards go through a temperature change of some sorts.

I'll run this by the team and see if it's been a common occurence lately.

||sean ||
Message: Posted by: Bobby Puga (Feb 9, 2007 01:31PM)
I just get the box that comes with 12 decks of bicycle rider back (standard face) playing cards (6 red decks and 6 blue decks).... it only cost about $12.00 FOR THE WHOLE BOX OF 12 DECKS!..... that's like a dollar a deck... I think its a GREAT deal because bicycle decks are not cheap and known everywhere.. that way the spectator wont think its a trick deck... a other reason why I buy so many packs is I go through them fast since I usually have the spectator sign the card that they select.. after so many signatures in a deck I just move on to a other deck... and use the old packs for practicing slights and moves and all that....
-thepugsta
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Feb 9, 2007 08:29PM)
The Richard Turner cards have a nice feel to them but they didn't faro well for me. I'm not sure about the back design either, learly not a regular deck of cards. They are nice though.
Message: Posted by: Expertmagician (Feb 9, 2007 09:08PM)
Best is relative and a VERY personal thing.

In my opinion, I suggest going to your local drug store to see what cards are most common in your geographic area.

Using cards which people are familiar with removes a lot of "unjustified" suspecion that you may be using trick cards.

In my area, Bees and Bicycles are the most popular and I tend to prefer Bicycles unless I perform gambling routines..then I prefer Bees....Bees are also more "casino" like.

In other areas of the country I have seen Tally-Hos as being popular and other areas tend to favor Hoyle or Aviators. Isn't geography wonderful :)
Message: Posted by: Bobby Puga (Feb 9, 2007 09:24PM)
Expertmagician, I agree with you... the most common cards used is the best way to go I think... when you get those fancy cards some people think "i never seen that type of deck..it must be a trick deck"... also what if yer performing torn and restored effects or having a card signed..that means I would go through these fancy decks to *** quick! that's why I just stick to bicycle... 12 packs for about 12 dollars! that's really a great deal I think!! about a dollar a deck! and they are bicycle decks!!! so make sure to check yer local costco!!!!
-thepugsta
Message: Posted by: scrapdizzy (Feb 10, 2007 01:09AM)
Vipers
Message: Posted by: milez (Feb 10, 2007 03:13AM)
Yes the ghost decks have been known to warp. There are long threads about this very problem in the Ellusionist website. I've never tried the ghost decks, and at this rate, probably not ever. I stick to my bicyle backs.
Message: Posted by: Jesse Feinberg (Feb 10, 2007 01:15PM)
My favorite deck right now is the M.Stutzman Split Spades. EXCELLENT quality, cut, design, everything about it. TRY THEM!

Also, the masters decks are pretty nice. They definitely last longer than the regular bikes.
Message: Posted by: evolve629 (Feb 10, 2007 03:31PM)
Bikes are my all time fave. However, on special occasions, Bees and WPT cards are sweet!
Message: Posted by: Tempesta (Feb 13, 2007 03:03PM)
I ran this by the Team and got some advice straight from Brad:

You HAVE to be doing something to the cards in order for them to be warping like this. Please take responsibility for this.

The Ghost deck is like any other deck you would buy in a drugstore, except better stock and hopefully cut much better. Please don't blame these things on the deck. I've opened several of my own and simply never have any of these problems - ever.

If the cards are slightly warped when I first take them out, I WORK with them. Fan, faro, shuffle, bend them the opposite way. My cards never, ever, EVER clump up half an hour after use. And if they did, I'd be going, “what did I DO?” I'd be looking at myself rather than submitting a ticket or blaming the deck.

Stick them in a porper guard, and make sure it’s the right type, there are two different types of Porper clips, one for regular cards, and one for the Premium Editions (Tigers, Vipers, Ghosts).

It is the same with rough edges. Work with them. That's what it means to own a deck of cards.

||team (e) ||
Message: Posted by: Jeff J. (Feb 13, 2007 05:00PM)
Hmmmmmm....I wonder if Brad ever sold used cars. "The transmission fell out in the middle of the road? The car was fine! What did YOU do wrong with it?"
Message: Posted by: Andy the cardician (Feb 13, 2007 09:19PM)
"Please take responsibility for this". I love that . . .
Message: Posted by: Daniel White (Mar 24, 2007 11:43PM)
By far the new split spades
Message: Posted by: Jeff Haas (Mar 25, 2007 01:59AM)
The ellusionist cards are just special designs printed by US Playing Card Company. So they'll have the same problems that Bicycles can have. I've had a few decks of Bikes that warped like described above, right out of the box. I've also had mis-cut Bikes as well as a mis-cut deck of Ghost cards.

When you have a deck that has that "click" in it, you just have to work with it a while to soften it up and get rid of the click. It may take a day or so.
Message: Posted by: Bobby Puga (Mar 25, 2007 07:24AM)
Normal red/blue bicycle deck... 12 decks for no more that 13 dollars at costco...
-pugsta
Message: Posted by: gaffed (Nov 23, 2008 09:30PM)
[quote]
On 2007-02-13 16:03, Tempesta wrote:
I ran this by the Team and got some advice straight from Brad:

You HAVE to be doing something to the cards in order for them to be warping like this. Please take responsibility for this.

The Ghost deck is like any other deck you would buy in a drugstore, except better stock and hopefully cut much better. Please don't blame these things on the deck. I've opened several of my own and simply never have any of these problems - ever.

If the cards are slightly warped when I first take them out, I WORK with them. Fan, faro, shuffle, bend them the opposite way. My cards never, ever, EVER clump up half an hour after use. And if they did, I'd be going, “what did I DO?” I'd be looking at myself rather than submitting a ticket or blaming the deck.

Stick them in a porper guard, and make sure it’s the right type, there are two different types of Porper clips, one for regular cards, and one for the Premium Editions (Tigers, Vipers, Ghosts).

It is the same with rough edges. Work with them. That's what it means to own a deck of cards.

||team (e) ||




[/quote]

Typical Ellusionist garbage! It's called "spin".
Turn the blame around. It's [b][i]your[/i][/b] fault! Riiiiight! :rolleyes:

Just go out and get a good buy on good 'ol regular Bicycles and save yourself some money and headaches.

~gaffed~ ;)
Message: Posted by: Miraclemakers (Nov 24, 2008 02:35AM)
Bee is the best......
better than bicycle (for me.....)
but the best design is Black Tiger and Guardian
Message: Posted by: Wizard of Oz (Nov 24, 2008 12:29PM)
I just purchased a deck of then new plastic Bicycles. I need to break them in, but they seem to handle pretty well. Definitely more springy and active than regular cards...and durable.
Message: Posted by: Michael Paul (Nov 24, 2008 12:34PM)
Bikes or Tallys for me guys. When I'm working the bar, I may go through four or five packs during the night. They go into the shoe, under a wet drink, get torn and restored...etc. Bikes and Tallys handle nicely, and are priced such that I don't have to cringe everytime the deck is swapped for a new one.

Just my oppinion.
Message: Posted by: Rocky (Nov 25, 2008 08:26AM)
Dosent matter what the back design looks like, as far as most spectators are concerned any deck in the hand of a magician is going to be "rigged". If your the type of magician who needs to prove that the deck in your hands is normal versus the type of magician who wants to entertain audiences then go out and buy what you feel is the most "common" deck in your geographical area.If you assume that because Bicycles and Bees are the prominent deck of choice based on the fact that these are the brands your local Walgreens sells,then by those brands. When everyone in your geographical area sees every magician using the same brand of cards they will all then rest assured that these brands must be normal,especially if all the magicians use them! Then stand back as a magical entertainer takes a well worn bridge sized deck from his pocket with some extinct airline advertised on the back. A magician who could care less how well the deck farrows or even if the deck has all 52 cards in it. Watch this person carefully and see how he entertains with the magic of his personality first, rather than how cool or well cut his deck of cards is.Sure,he might not do a crazy Sybil cut or a fifteen minute ambitious card routine, but ask the audience after he puts his cards away what was the most fun about being entertained by this magician. Im pretty sure it wont have anything to do with how the cards looked.
Message: Posted by: satcom (Nov 26, 2008 02:53PM)
Ellusionist has some decent products, but their outlook on their customers is what definitely turns me off and has made me decide to not purchase anything from them.
Message: Posted by: Tim Jahn (Nov 26, 2008 07:39PM)
[quote]
On 2007-02-13 16:03, Tempesta wrote:
I ran this by the Team and got some advice straight from Brad:

You HAVE to be doing something to the cards in order for them to be warping like this. Please take responsibility for this.

The Ghost deck is like any other deck you would buy in a drugstore, except better stock and hopefully cut much better. Please don't blame these things on the deck. I've opened several of my own and simply never have any of these problems - ever.

If the cards are slightly warped when I first take them out, I WORK with them. Fan, faro, shuffle, bend them the opposite way. My cards never, ever, EVER clump up half an hour after use. And if they did, I'd be going, “what did I DO?” I'd be looking at myself rather than submitting a ticket or blaming the deck.

Stick them in a porper guard, and make sure it’s the right type, there are two different types of Porper clips, one for regular cards, and one for the Premium Editions (Tigers, Vipers, Ghosts).

It is the same with rough edges. Work with them. That's what it means to own a deck of cards.

||team (e) ||




[/quote]

What a freaking joke.

Sometimes your cards suck. Please take responsiblity for THAT.

The ghost deck better NOT be like any cards you buy in a drugstore. With tag lines like "UV-500 finish" And "Thick high grade stock" they better be pretty darn different. As I recall the cards I buy in a drug store have an "air cusion" finish and are printed on regular stock.

Or has "Team E" been pulling everyones leg about the "High quality" of thier decks?

I'll tell you... I've never seen such a bunch of non-sense, Kiss butt statments all strung together in one post. If I open a deck of regular bikes and a deck of your specialty cards at the same time and put them side by side, And your specialty cards warp while the bikes are still flat, Is it still my fault?

What a bunch of garbage.
Message: Posted by: Tim Jahn (Nov 26, 2008 07:42PM)
As a side note, I really didn't like the masters. They seem a little to thick to me.

Tim
Message: Posted by: Chessmann (Nov 26, 2008 07:53PM)
One thing that can happen with cards that go via air mail is they get warped. I have noticed this before. That nasty "click" that you can make when you pop them back and forth. YUCK!

You can try any number of remedies. Sometimes they work. Alternating the cards face-down, face-up and putting them in the crisper (in your fridge) overnight has worked for me.

Also, springing them over and over (alternating face-up and face-down) as worked.
Message: Posted by: gaffed (Dec 8, 2008 11:56PM)
[quote]
On 2008-11-26 20:39, Tim Jahn wrote:


Or has "Team E" been pulling everyones leg about the "High quality" of thier decks?

[/quote]

Don't you mean "Team [i]D[/i]"? As in...Dellusionaist!
[i]Slick[/i] site....[i]Slimy[/i] junk.
For the most part, the place is a joke but, the prepubescent teenie BoobeTube wanna be's love it. Hey.....it makes money!

~gaffed~ ;)
Message: Posted by: bobn3 (Dec 9, 2008 09:51AM)
If I am going to pay extra for a deck of cards because they "look cool," then I would expect them to last longer. To tell me that it is my fault because they warp quickly and that I should "own up and take responsibilty for this" is very poor customer PR, especially from someone who looks like they are 16 (I am 56, and have been in magic for 30 years...longer than he has been alive).

Bob Phillips
Message: Posted by: Chessmann (Dec 9, 2008 11:46AM)
I do not think it is the deck(s).

I ordered 3 decks a couple of weeks ago from Ellusionist:

- Ghost Deck

- Masters Red

- Masters Blue

After a couple of days, they each became clicker decks, to varying degrees. I tried all the remedies I knew. None worked.

Then I thought about the room I was keeping them in, and how I was transporting them. The room in my home where I keep them (and on my desk, not in a drawer) is the room that is very susceptible to weather outside. If it is cold outside, it is cold in this room, etc.... (need to have our ducts looked at!) Plus, I was taking them with me in the car, many times with the AC blowing (during the day in Dallas is can still get very warm in the car on sunny days).

I thought about weather/climate issues, and started keeping them in my bedroom in a drawer. In 24 hours they were fine.

I think Brad is right. It is not the cards, nor is it Ellusionist. Ellusionist did not make them, they only ordered and sold them. They are playing cards.

Just my experience with them. Hope this helps someone.

Mark
Message: Posted by: prizna (Dec 10, 2008 05:49AM)
Hi,

Could someone here please fill me in on what you mean by the deck has a "click"
Message: Posted by: bobn3 (Dec 10, 2008 07:25AM)
Playing cards are playing cards. If these expensive cards must be stored in a hermetically sealed room, and you must bring your spectators to said room, then what is the reason for having them?

Bob Phillips
Message: Posted by: Chessmann (Dec 10, 2008 07:33AM)
[quote]
On 2008-12-10 08:25, bobn3 wrote:
Playing cards are playing cards. If these expensive cards must be stored in a hermetically sealed room, and you must bring your spectators to said room, then what is the reason for having them?
[/quote]

Hmmm.... I meant to imply that was that there was only one place (a room in my home) that was not good for cards. Everywhere else has been fine. Removed them from that room and they are fine now (and fine elsewhere, too).

Plus, a/c in a car or plane has always affected my cards - all my cards, not just expensive ones.
Message: Posted by: Chessmann (Dec 10, 2008 10:40AM)
[quote]
On 2008-12-10 08:33, Chessmann wrote:
Message: Posted by: bobn3 (Dec 10, 2008 10:42AM)
Chessman, thanks for clarifying that. I enjoy performing card routines, but have always been a proponent of just going to Sams or WalMart and picking up several decks of of the usual run-of-the-mill old Bikes...that's just me I guess.

Have a great holiday all,

Bob Phillips
Message: Posted by: Chessmann (Dec 10, 2008 12:33PM)
Yes, for some reason, I like the thicker cards. I also like the Bee cards that have the white border and the actual bees on the cards. To each their own!

Happy Holidays to you, Bob.
Message: Posted by: satcom (Dec 10, 2008 04:28PM)
The E deck of cards I got have not clicked to this day, which has been over 3 months. I got the Red Masters just to compare a regular bike pack to, and I have to say that there really is no difference whatsoever. Regular bikes are the way to go since you get practically the same thing, from what Ive experienced.
Message: Posted by: Turk (Dec 10, 2008 06:21PM)
[quote]
On 2006-12-30 22:49, Bill Palmer wrote:
The "best" deck is relative. The Master's deck looks good, but I strongly dislike the Ace of Spades. Richard Turner's new deck beats all of them. They are cut from the correct side of the sheet. They are the proper thickness.

But all of this, other than Richard's cards, is old news.
[/quote]

Richard was recently in Portland OR and gave an awesome cards demonstration. During the lecture, he discussed what makes a good card and what makes a bad card.

Suffice it to say that, according to Richard (and as reinforced by Bill Palmer, above), the current crop of non-casino cards are all cut the wrong way to save money.

Accoring to Richard, each card has a smoother rounded edge and a sharper crips edge. This is the natural result of the cutting (stamping out) process. The non-casino cards have the sharp crisp edge exactly upside down and the opposite of the way casino cards are made. And, as a result, non-casino cards are very difficult to faro shuffle when shuffled face down.

Richard is a consultant for USPC and he is working with them to produce a number of decks that are correctly manufacutred (I.e., cut with the correct orientation and of the higher quality "casino card" card stock). Richard will be selling these on his site. I forget the number of decks he is having made but I think it was something like 25,000. (I actually think I heard 45,000-but I might be having another Senior Moment-so, I hedged myu betrs and said 25,000.)

Regardless of the number of decks, it will be a huge number of decks and, as I understand it, they will be printed in Bicycles and Bees (and, quite possibly also printed in Bees with white borders). Anyway, they will be casino quality both in cutting orintation andin card stock quality.

Hope this helps and that my recollections were accurate. (Its he** getting older.)

Mike

P.S. I just got to thinking that Steve Youell put out a short video a number of years back on how he prepares new decks of cards so that they faro properly and like butter". Steve's experiences with new decks seems to reinforce what Richard Tucker was talking about at the lecture.

P.P.S. One fact that I did remember was Richard's comment that USPC card making machines make 6 decks per second!!. WOW!!
Message: Posted by: Chessmann (Dec 10, 2008 09:49PM)
Interesting! Did Richard mention when these new decks will be available for purchase?
Message: Posted by: bobn3 (Dec 10, 2008 11:47PM)
As has been said earlier, "best" is relative. For most close-up work, I use Bikes, except for using Bees for 3 card monte. There is one exception. Living in Kansas, most of my professional work seems to be performing platform magic (just the nature of the beast, I guess). When doing this, I always do card in the orange. Bikes of any type do not last worth a d*mn in oranges (orange juice is an acid, so it just turns them to mush), so this is the one instance that I use Hoyles (the plastic coating keeps them lasting somewhat longer).

Bob Phillips
Message: Posted by: Chessmann (Dec 21, 2008 06:09PM)
Tried a little experiment re: "clicking" decks.

It does seem that there is one room in my house that does this to cards. I didn't trace the problem till fairly recently, but never really experimented till now to see if it was the room or the deck(s).

It is the room. I got some bikes and a Tally Ho deck and left them in our "computer room" overnight. Sure enough, they all became clicker decks to various degrees. This also has happened the the Masters Decks I recently purchased from Ellusionist.

I have also notied that if the top card of a deck (out of its box) begins to bend after an hour (or less, in the case of my work), the deck will become a clicker, eventually. Other areas of my home are fine.

YMMV. Hope this helps someone down the road.
Message: Posted by: spencerpeterson (Jan 26, 2009 08:20PM)
[quote]
On 2007-03-25 00:43, Daniel White wrote:
By far the new split spades
[/quote]
The new Split Spades are the bets cards currently on the market.
Message: Posted by: Miraclemakers (Jan 27, 2009 12:34AM)
I've just buy ultra thin Nielsen Manipulation card,
and it's great......
Message: Posted by: deliveryboy (Jan 27, 2009 02:07PM)
Bikes give you the most flexability for gaffed cards.
Message: Posted by: Stucky (Jan 28, 2009 04:38PM)
Try these ha ha http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bVExdntWIo
Message: Posted by: manks123 (Jan 28, 2009 07:25PM)
I say just go with the usual Bikes and you'll be sweet. :P.

Stefan
Message: Posted by: David White (Jan 29, 2009 10:16AM)
[quote]
On 2007-02-10 14:15, Jessiah wrote:
My favorite deck right now is the M.Stutzman Split Spades. EXCELLENT quality, cut, design, everything about it. TRY THEM!
[/quote]

I'll go with this guy on this.
Message: Posted by: TheGreatGalling (Feb 5, 2009 06:09PM)
Just to chime in here about warped cards. Just something I found out is that heat will cause the cards to have a click in them. Its rather frustrating and hampers most card manipulation. I realized I was watching my magic dvds on my laptop and would rest my cards on it. BAD HABIT. Laptops are hot and ergo the problem. Not saying its def. the reason for people's problem, but my cards are in much better shape now that I had this realization.

Right not I am in love with Theory11's Guardian decks. Unbelievably beautiful and when you see how detailed and modern the Angel's are on the back, you won't look at old Bikes the same way.