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Topic: Card size
Message: Posted by: mark334 (Dec 30, 2006 01:44PM)
Hey, I'm using poker sized cards but I find these hard to handle. Can you get smaller sized cards because I feel this would make it easier for me?

Posted: Dec 30, 2006 2:46pm
One more thing, if so where is the best place online to buy them?
Message: Posted by: Father Photius (Dec 30, 2006 01:56PM)
Bridge size should do the job, most magic dealers supply them as well as the various playing card companies. Major brands and backs like bicycle also come in bridge size.
Message: Posted by: BrianMillerMagic (Dec 30, 2006 03:33PM)
Sure you can use bridge size, but are you doing it because you think your hands are too small to handle the cards? If you are then stop, take a break, and head back to the poker sized. So many people think their hands are "too small" to handle cards, but in fact you just have to train your hands to move in new ways that you aren't used to. Practice now with poker sized and you'll be glad in the long run.
Message: Posted by: DStachowiak (Dec 30, 2006 04:27PM)
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On 2006-12-30 16:33, BrianMillerMagic wrote:
Sure you can use bridge size, but are you doing it because you think your hands are too small to handle the cards? If you are then stop, take a break, and head back to the poker sized. So many people think their hands are "too small" to handle cards, but in fact you just have to train your hands to move in new ways that you aren't used to. Practice now with poker sized and you'll be glad in the long run.
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Brian's dead on target with that answer, in fact long ago when Jack Daniels came out with their "Gentleman's Poker Cards" they were actually oversize, to mimic the cards used in the 19th century (This is no longer true, at least for the ones sold in retail stores, the ones I have seen over the last few years are standard poker size)
I was told that, if poker size cards were difficult for me, I should practice with the oversize cards, and then the poker size would be much easier. It was true! I don't know if They still have the oversize ones available, you'd have to contact the Jack Daniels folks in Lynchburg, TN to find out.
Message: Posted by: Chatterbox41 (Dec 30, 2006 06:22PM)
I have known magicians who used the bridge size cards, most moved on to the poker size. Some said they couldn't find the matching gimmicked cards in bridge size.

I have very small hands, but have always used poker sized cards. I started young and palm cards, do a pass, etc. Took awhile to get the feel, but have always been glad I took the time. Also have read somewhere that Malini had small hands, but used the larger sized cards.

Just my opinion.
Message: Posted by: ilusionista (Jan 1, 2007 07:45PM)
I agree with Brian. All of the advice I have heard is to practice, practice, practice with the regular sized cards. Otherwise you will regret it later and have to relearn your tricks.
Message: Posted by: evolve629 (Jan 1, 2007 08:07PM)
Train your hands early with the poker size cards. Your hands will adjust and adapt. Jumping from bridge size cards to poker size cards is not recommended. Think of a piano players, it's the player's skills and years of practice!
Message: Posted by: Father Photius (Jan 1, 2007 09:53PM)
Actually I teach younger teenagers and girls with bridge size cards, been doing it for years, after they get the basic moves down, then we move them to poker size cards and as a general rule they find it an easy transition. The problem is the frustration when they cannot get the moves in the first place because of their discomfort handling the larger cards. Even those with moderately small adult hands can handle the poker size cards with enough practice. Those who are still young, and especially the younger girls, find even the bridge cards a challenge, but not as frustrating as poker cards.
Message: Posted by: marty.sasaki (Jan 1, 2007 11:37PM)
Once you have things down with poker sized cards you should do a little bit of practicing with bridge sized cards. This will allow you to do things with whatever cards are available.

It's interesting to note that most poker parlors actually use bridge size cards.
Message: Posted by: DStachowiak (Jan 2, 2007 02:45AM)
Marty, that may be a regional preference, the regular poker games I have been to around here (these tend to be home games or private clubs here, and are kept quiet) tend to use poker size cards. The only exceptions I know of that use bridge size are a couple of home games whose hosts prefer plastic cards, and for some reason these seem to be more readily available in bridge size. As I say, this might just be a regional difference, for all I know you may be right about the rest of the country.
Message: Posted by: marty.sasaki (Jan 5, 2007 11:53PM)
I believe it is true of many casinos, notably in Las Vegas and Atlantic City, and the casino at Foxwoods. Not surprising that home games use poker size for playing poker. I've got a couple of decks of platic cards for playing poker and the retailer confirmed that the casinos use bridge cards. He could have sold me either size since he had both in stock.

It probably makes sense to practice a little with the plastic cards as well.

I'm in the Boston, MA area and the home games that I've been a part of have used both sizes.
Message: Posted by: Manny (Jan 12, 2007 09:53PM)
Don't sweat it, train your hands using the poker size cards. Your hands will adjust and adapt much easier when you jump from poker size cards to bridge size cards than the other way around.
Message: Posted by: Andy the cardician (Jan 13, 2007 01:25AM)
I started with a poker size deck, moved to a bridge sized one and after mastering the basics, I returned to the poker size deck. Looking back, it was probably just a matter of confidence.
Message: Posted by: Bob Sanders (Jan 13, 2007 08:10PM)
Bridge size has been my favorite for over four decades. However, I really don't find enough difference to really matter. I use more poker size because they are cheap!

Should I apologize for the honesty?

Frankly, I've never seen a pro make a very good case for either size or that really seemed to care. Except for hobbyists at magic club meetings it seldom gets discussed.

It's your show.

Bob Sanders
Magic By Sander
Message: Posted by: Brad Burt (Jan 13, 2007 09:13PM)
Personally I prefer Poker size cards, but it's just a personal preference. What it all comes down to is this: If you only use bridge size cards and are given a Poker deck it is really difficult to go 'up' in size. If you use Poker using Bridge is a breeze.

That said, from a magic perspective the only difference between Poker and Bridge is an 1/2" in width. That's it. A trick done with a Bridge size deck is the same in EVERY FREAKING way as done with a Poker size deck. No difference.

Like Bridge? Use 'em. Just make sure that you always have cards with you. That's all.

I really think there is value in using Poker size. Most of the gaffs are now Poker, etc. But, if you don't use them, then who cares? Bridge cards work for you? Go for it. It's better that then not doing the work at all. And, frankly, for us guys WITH smaller hands palming bridge cards is just a wonderful thing. Best,
Message: Posted by: Andy the cardician (Jan 17, 2007 12:59AM)
To be fair, I did meet a guy with very slender hands who had problems palming a poker sized card.
Message: Posted by: DomKabala (Jan 17, 2007 04:52AM)
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On 2007-01-13 22:13, Brad Burt wrote:
That said, from a magic perspective the only difference between Poker and Bridge is an 1/2" in width. That's it. A trick done with a Bridge size deck is the same in EVERY FREAKING way as done with a Poker size deck. No difference.



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The Poker card is 2 1/2" wide and 3 1/2" long. The Bridge card is 2 1/4" wide and 3 1/2" long. The width is 1/4" difference.
Cardamagically,
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Message: Posted by: todsky (Jan 17, 2007 07:22PM)
If you like card gaffs, learn to use poker size. Also, if someone hands you a poker size deck and says 'Do a trick' and you can't handle the larger cards, then you're in trouble. Aside from these two considerations, bridge size are just as good and possibly better for certain applications, such as palming.
Message: Posted by: Kayo_City (Jan 18, 2007 11:51AM)
When I started to dabble in sleight of hand, all I used was bridge size cards as in Ireland it was rare to see poker size cards. If fact the first time I handled a poker size deck I scattered the cards half way across the floor. But now poker size are more common than bridge in Ireland so I use them.

I also have small hands and have no problem with palming poker size. In my opinion it doesn't matter about the size of your hands, palming is as much about misdirection as it is about sleight of hand.
Message: Posted by: Brad Burt (Jan 18, 2007 07:18PM)
RATS! I meant 1/4" and not 1/2", thanks for the clarification. Best,
Message: Posted by: phillys (Jan 19, 2007 12:23AM)
I am an Asian and Asians generally have smaller hands in comparison to Westerners.

I used to think poker size cards are really big and bulky and I found it extremely difficult to keep all the cards in control(well, I still can't) but as you begin to look past that stumbling block, you will begin to appreciate the effort that you have been putting in to practice with a poker size deck.

It's worth it.
Message: Posted by: Dynamike (Jan 19, 2007 04:38AM)
When I was in my teens (a few years ago :rolleyes: ) I started with Bridge cards. Those cards were popular for magic because a lot of trick cards were for sell in that size. As I got older I switched to Poker size. I see nothing wrong with starting with Bridge size. If you become professional using Bridge cards, I bet you will be able to perform the same tricks with a Poker deck if you have to. I can do the same manipulation using either size. Go ahead and try/compare both. Do what fits you best.
Message: Posted by: Bob Sanders (Jan 19, 2007 09:32PM)
Aside from magicians and a few card players, I doubt many people even know the difference.

Over the door of our new rehearsal studio/theater is a 3D emblem with a magic wand, a top hat and a rabbit on a big red heart.

This week we had a theatrical visitor who seriously asked the question, "Is that a real wand?" (How do you tell?)

Bob Sanders
Magic By Sander