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Topic: Does Anybody Perform Tamed Card?
Message: Posted by: KenW (Jan 1, 2007 06:02PM)
Okay here it goes. I have many years experience performing close up and I do this full time. Being a huge fan of the late Tommy Wonder, I have worked on his Tamed Card routine and I am ready to offer it to the public. My ONLY problem is the wax. I have tried hard wax, soft wax, and a mixture of both. Can anyone please assist me in letting me know exactly how much to use and WHERE to place it? I did ask this in another fourm but I still am a bit confussed. Do I use all four corners of the card or on the center pip only? I have made so many attempts and nothing seems to be full proof. I even have tried using removable double sided tape and non removable double sided tape. I am sitting at my desk with both HARD bee's white wax and "sticky wax snd an army of double sided tape!" HELP!!!!!!
LOL!
Really could use some sound advice from somebody that acutally performs this routine. Am I alone on this one?
Any comment is appreiceated.
Thanks so much,
KW
Message: Posted by: Daegs (Jan 1, 2007 10:53PM)
Use double stick tape or 3M Spray mount.

Either one spot in the middle, or two of them evenly spaced.
Message: Posted by: KenW (Jan 1, 2007 11:06PM)
Daegs,
Never thought about using 3M spraymount before....mmmmm. I know the product well. I will give that a try but I am concerned about damaging the card. When using double stick tape....removeable or permament?
Thanks a lot my friend for the advice.

Anyone else have anything to possibly add to this? The spray mount only destroyed a couple custom made cards.
Ken W.
Message: Posted by: Jonathan P. (Jan 2, 2007 12:06PM)
For spray mount. Do a little template with paper (with a little hole, or two, in it) and place it on the card, covering it except for the hole. Just put a little bit of spray-glue and it will be a very nice spot in the middle. Wait quite a bit before applying, in order to make the spray-mount "repsitionnable", according that you bought the repositionnable one. It should work.
Message: Posted by: professorwhut (Jan 2, 2007 12:22PM)
KenW,
Have you tried 3M REMOUNT, rather than 3M SPRAY MOUNT?
REMOUNT is the stuff used by Richard Sanders.
REMOUNT is more like a spray version of paper cement, therfore it does not destroy the card.

However, I understand from other treads that REMOUNT is hard to find.
Message: Posted by: KenW (Jan 2, 2007 06:15PM)
Thanks Guys.
That helps a great deal. I will pick up some Remount asap and use the template!
Thanks agian. I feel very confident this time around.
I'll let you know how it works out.
Professorwhu,
You arn't kidding when you said: REMOUNT IS HARD TO FIND! Been looking for the past three hours online and driving to every art supply store I know! LOL!

ANYONE out there in Orange County, CA know where I might find 3M REMOUNT SPRAY?

Thanks again,
KW
Magically,
Ken W.
Great response!
Message: Posted by: vo_knows (Jan 2, 2007 09:25PM)
I also went on a wild goose chase looking for 3M Remount for about a month. I finally found a good alternative available from Michael's Arts & Crafts - Krylon 7020 Easy Tack Repositional Adhesive.

http://www.michaels.com/art/online/displayProductPage?productNum=gc0277
Message: Posted by: KenW (Jan 4, 2007 12:58PM)
Vo_knows.
I am in the middle of spraying the cards with the templete. I got the "Easy Tack" from Michaels! Thanks so much for the insight. Looks like this might just do the job! Thanks again.
KW
Message: Posted by: KenW (Jan 17, 2007 12:11AM)
Well, to my dissapointment the spray got dirty quicker than the wax did. Guess I'll keep searching for the perfect solution to this frustrating little problem.
Anyone else have any ideas as to how to go about this?
Thanks,
KW
I have the routine down patt but won't consider performing it until I solve this problem of the wax and sprays getting dirty quickly or not sticking enough to hold the cards together.
Guess I am just a profecionist at heart.
(Too bad I can't seem to spell as well).
KW
Message: Posted by: Kjellstrom (Feb 7, 2007 06:47AM)
Whatta about magnetic and shimmed cards? Maybe that will work!
Some examples.
http://www.magicbycardmaker.com/pageID_2439972.html
Message: Posted by: KenW (Feb 10, 2007 10:40AM)
Already invested a good amount of cash by having "Cards by Martin" build a trial magnet set for me a good while back Yep, I am that seriouse about making this effect part of my magic. I really want to perform Tammed Card. Anyway, It did not work out. The cards ended-up turning out way too thick and in a video taped pratice performance, it just didn't fly. Way too obvious but thank you for the suggestion thou.
Still trying to solve this problem...anyone els have any suggestions?
Thanks,
KW
Message: Posted by: JoePresto (Mar 21, 2007 08:19PM)
I use Michael Ammar's Magic Wax. Using a metal finger nail file scrape up a very small bit of wax onto the tip of the file. Using your thumb and first finger remove the wax and roll it into a small ball (about the size of a pin head). Place a ball of wax in each corner of the double-facer. Using the flat side of the file, gently press each ball of wax completely flat onto the surface of the card. A nice, neat and thin circle of wax in each corner will be the end result.

Hope this helps you out.

Joe
Message: Posted by: KenW (Mar 21, 2007 11:46PM)
Joe, Thank you for the insight. I have however found the perfect solution by following the advice of a few fellow magi's here in the Café. The spray mount by 3M works perfectly and it IS THE ANSWER to the Tammed Card Effect.
KW
Message: Posted by: Eric Falconer (Mar 28, 2007 10:54AM)
I just took 4 bits of double stick tape and applied them to each corner.

I then trimmed off the excess using scissors. Double stick tape works fine for me. Placing it in the middle doesn't work so well as the edges can tend to separate... and this card goes into their hand.


Not big peices of DS tape. Just four little peices about 1 centimeter square placed in each corner.

does the trick perfectly.

This helps also because during a certain part in the handling you don't want the cards to stick because of a certain false count you are doing. By misaligning the necessary cards they won't stick as their corners are not square....

Just my thoughts....
I too am a big fan of this routine... It's motivated. It's magical. It is a monster!
Message: Posted by: Martino (Mar 30, 2007 10:08AM)
KenW,

I too am a huge fan of this routine and had the special set of cards made up by CardsbyMartin.

Did you try "blue glue"? It's a repositional glue stick (like pritt-stick) which goes on blue and then becomes clear as it dries.

Also, did you manage to get the leather wallets for the trick from anywhere or did you resort to plastic packet trick wallets. I really want to get the pucker wallets for the routine.

PM me if you wish!

Regards,

Martino.
Message: Posted by: Eldini (Apr 19, 2020 04:34PM)
Hey all,

Reviving this old thread to ask a question to those who perform this trick professionally.

I've come down to two methods to adhere the cards: wax and the mounting spray.

Double-sided tape is too visible, adheres too well so its hard to slide cards across it during the count, and 'talks' loudly when separated initially.

The wax is really good, except it is too visible: https://www.vanishingincmagic.com/amazing-magic/magicians-wax/. The mounting spray is also good, except it is a hassle to apply and does 'talk' a little when separated.

If Tommy Wonder used wax, it must be workable. Does anyone know of a wax that is invisible when applied to a card? I'm thinking of the Mesika Wax: https://www.vanishingincmagic.com/magic-accessories/mesika-wax/. However, times are tough with Covid-19 and I am hoping to get an endorsement before spending the money on it.

Thank you!


Eldini
Message: Posted by: EndersGame (May 4, 2020 09:46PM)
Another product that works very well is Zig 2 Way Glue.

Just search for "Zig 2-way glue pen", and you'll find it readily available.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/1Vo0xJK.jpg[/img]
Message: Posted by: Tom G (May 5, 2020 07:39AM)
Zig is good. Also would a roughing stick work?
Message: Posted by: Eldini (May 5, 2020 01:50PM)
Zig is new to me, I'll give it a try.

Thank you!
Message: Posted by: Danny Alan 2 (Jun 1, 2020 03:56PM)
I just bought some of this stuff. Its got my head spinning at the possibilities.
Message: Posted by: Martino (Jun 20, 2020 11:15AM)
You can of course now buy a complete set of cards for this trick with the sticky stuff already applied from CardShark
Message: Posted by: Poof-Daddy (Jun 20, 2020 09:51PM)
Card Shark makes the exact set of card values and adhesive Tommy used and bought the rights to produce them years ago. After the fire, they were not on the site for some time but they have them back in stock and even added a "Large Pip" version. I recently sold my old version as I use Large pip now and just got my new set a week or two ago. It is still made the way Tommy made them (with magician's wax in the corners but you can easily rub that off and use whatever re-positional adhesive you wish. I think I am going to use Cody Fisher's "Magic Wand" that I recently picked up and have liked the way it works after some testing.