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Topic: INSTANT MAGICIAN
Message: Posted by: jondark445 (Jan 13, 2007 10:51AM)
Hi:

I'm thinking about working with this. I'd like the opinion of people who have done it and work with it. I saw Ken Scott do it at a lecture last year and it killed. However, I'm most concerned regarding the whole "touching the child" issue since you're standing right behind them very close and are basically using your hands in front of them. Can I get folks' take on this and any other concerns you have when performing it...?

--Jon
Message: Posted by: Ron Reid (Jan 13, 2007 11:52AM)
Hi Jon:

There have been a couple fairly long threads on this routine and the exact concerns you're expressing. I think if you do a search, you'll find the different opinions on it.

Ron
Message: Posted by: The Great Smartini (Jan 17, 2007 12:23AM)
I've taken a solid back chair and turned it around to sit on behind the child..this leaves a barrier between you and them...your hands come through the gimmick/jacket and can be seen for nearly the entire routine...not much time for anything unusual to happen
Message: Posted by: magicmonty (Jan 17, 2007 07:50AM)
Smartini ,
What a great idea , I have been toying with adding the "Instant Magician" to my show , but for obvious reasons have steared clear of this prop . Now I just might be adding that to my show !!!
Thankyou very much
John.
Message: Posted by: jondark445 (Jan 17, 2007 08:17AM)
Yeah, after researching the routine and talking to people I'm definitely adding it. I've already ordered from Ken Scott. I think the value add is worth it...and I'm considering doing it more with the Dad at B-Day parties as I think that would be a lot of fun. If I was doing it with a child I think the chair back is a fantastic idea.

--Jon
Message: Posted by: AragorntheMagician (Jan 17, 2007 10:07PM)
Jondark445,
I've had the pleasure of seeing Ken do the routine many times now....and each time is better. The only reason I haven't done it yet is that here in Ken's home turf several of his mentee's also do it (also very well). It works very well using the "Dad". You get the dad doing the "Macarena" and the kids will be rolling.

Yours,
Aragorn, President & Founder of the "Get Ken Scott A Long, Long Term Gig in Asia" Committee. Why you ask? Why Not!!! We're tired of having to compete with his Boyish Charm, Skill, Marketing Ability and ability to be at multiple gigs AT THE SAME TIME!
So, we humbly entreat you. If you know of such a gig, we Highly Endorse "Ken Scott"
Message: Posted by: Christopher Starr (Toronto) (Jan 18, 2007 06:24AM)
I love Ken Scott's routine and it has been a big hit every time I've seen it live. I've been reluctant to get it for the above reasons of being too close to the child. I also think that unless the child is 7 or 8 they might be too young/ shy to follow the whispered directions and follow along. There's also the question of whether a girl birthday child would want to be dressed up in a tux.
The above idea of performing it with the birthday Dad is a wonderful idea! The kids would think it is really funny to see their parent or the birthday child's parent doing all the magic and they would be really easy to coach thru it. It helps to make the Dad a big hero and wise to have hired you. I could probably perform it as well with a Daycare teacher, even though most are female, there's bound to one who would volunteer to co-operate and then would be a big hero with the Centre's kids. I'm not sure if the chair would be tall enough when working with an adult though, or if the tux is big enough to fit an adult. Can anyone comment on this?
Message: Posted by: kenscott (Jan 18, 2007 08:41AM)
The tux can fit an adult.

Ken
Message: Posted by: Dynamike (Jan 19, 2007 09:08AM)
I saw Puck perform it last year. I would love to have it. But Ken never returned my voice mail I left last year.

I bet something can be custom made to make it look more relaxing for others to use. For example a panel unfolding to make a wall as a divider. The top of the wall can read "Instant Magician." The fabric around the wood frames of the wall can be that thin black material you can see thru, but people can not see you in the back. And that material will make it easier to whisper to the child. If the wall is too wide for the magician to reach around, have holes going thru it to brings his arms up front. I bet if something similiar was made as I described, no one (parents, magician, audience, etc.) will ever again think about touching the child.

The special wall can fold up small so it would be portable to take other places. When it is put together/unfolded, it can be about 5 feet tall and 3 feet wide.
Message: Posted by: jondark445 (Jan 19, 2007 11:26AM)
Dynamike:

First, love the name!

Second, you should drop Ken a PM. He's answered every one I've ever sent him, and has always been quick with advice and answers. Maybe your voice mail got lost.

While I love the idea you came up with regarding the portable wall, I think it's overthinking it a bit. I felt the same way a year ago when I first started considering doing this routine, but I've come around and think that while we should definitely be aware of what we're doing and how we do it, some things can be done well while at the same time just going through basic precautions (like choosing to do this routine with the dads, grandads or older teen males in the crowd).

But I do have this to say....don't you HATE, HATE HATE the fact that you have to think about such things at all? Sigh. The times we live in.

--Jon
Message: Posted by: kenscott (Jan 19, 2007 11:33AM)
Dynamike

Sorry I don't recall ever geting a call. But if you have any questions please email or call again.

As far as the Fantasy magician goes. I have never had a problem with this routine since 1996 when I started performing it. It is my most requested routine I do.

I do perform this on children and adults with NO problems. I do perform the routine at the end of my show so for 45 mins they have gotten to know me and my character.

People that are doing this routine has anyone every had a problem performing it for children??? I think we tend to over think it sometimes. Sometimes we run when we are not being chased. If in doubt perform it on an adult only.

Ken
Message: Posted by: Dynamike (Jan 19, 2007 02:54PM)
Oh, my bad, I forgot yours in "Fantasy Magician." I will try to make another order. But it can not be soon because I am behind in things after I just got finish moving to a new location.

I guess I am jumping a little too fast to conclusions because I never had it yet. After I try it a few times, then it is best to make my conclusion. Thanks.
Message: Posted by: jondark445 (Feb 1, 2007 08:47AM)
Ok...just curious about something on this....so I thought I'd tack it on here...

I'm planning on working at a fair in the fall, and was considering this as a closer to my 1/2 hour show. Do you think it would fly? I would probably do this for birthday parties and other shows...but I just wondered what people thought about the idea of bringing up a stranger, in front of a group of strangers, and doing this with them, as opposed to a birthday party where most of the people there know the person that you're using. What do you think?

--Jon
Message: Posted by: Spellbinder (Feb 1, 2007 09:17AM)
I will soon be posting my "Instant Wizard" routine, which is nothing like the "Instant Magician" in operation or method, but has a similar effect. In my version, you never come into contact with the child other than perhaps shaking his hand once the Talking Hat has chosen him and he comes to the front to be your apprentice. Once there, you go and sit in the audience, or stand behind them, and he puts on a show following your directions. You'll find a description on my site in The Wizards' Journal #11, even though it is still a day or two away from being completed and ready for posting.
Message: Posted by: John C (Feb 1, 2007 11:32AM)
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On 2007-01-18 07:24, Christopher Starr (Toronto) wrote:
I love Ken Scott's routine and it has been a big hit every time I've seen it live. I've been reluctant to get it for the above reasons of being too close to the child. I also think that unless the child is 7 or 8 they might be too young/ shy to follow the whispered directions and follow along. There's also the question of whether a girl birthday child would want to be dressed up in a tux.
The above idea of performing it with the birthday Dad is a wonderful idea! The kids would think it is really funny to see their parent or the birthday child's parent doing all the magic and they would be really easy to coach thru it. It helps to make the Dad a big hero and wise to have hired you. I could probably perform it as well with a Daycare teacher, even though most are female, there's bound to one who would volunteer to co-operate and then would be a big hero with the Centre's kids. I'm not sure if the chair would be tall enough when working with an adult though, or if the tux is big enough to fit an adult. Can anyone comment on this?
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Christopher,

Forget about all that. Just do it. Only use boys though.

John
Message: Posted by: AragorntheMagician (Feb 1, 2007 01:27PM)
JonDark,
I have been able to see it a lot, by Ken himself & others. In B'Day Parties, Library shows & fully Adult Parties & it gets everyone laughing. With Ken's permission I'm making another SurCoat that takes the TUX role and will go with my persona.

Yours,
Aragorn, still the President & Founder of the "Get Ken Scott A Long, Long Term Gig in Asia" Committee. Why you ask? We're tired of having to compete with his Boyish Charm, Skill, Marketing Ability and Ability to be at Multiple Gigs AT THE SAME TIME!
Message: Posted by: phaddad2 (Feb 3, 2007 07:55AM)
The instant magician looks so good I would like to get one. I am still nervous about doing it.
Pete