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Topic: Which type of memorize stack is the best?!!!
Message: Posted by: Liyao (Jan 8, 2003 08:34PM)
Currently I am using the 6 hrs memorize deck book from Martin ___? forgotten the authors name.... using the shock order...

Does different type of memorize decks have its own different characteristic...?

So what else video or book that I am able to know more about the memorize stack routine or tricks...

Message: Posted by: Tilt (Jan 8, 2003 10:18PM)
I like the Aronson Stack. Of course that may be because I have it memorized.

Message: Posted by: Schaden (Jan 8, 2003 10:40PM)
Darwin Ortiz has some effects in his new book. I heard their pretty mind blowing.

Message: Posted by: Gene B (Jan 9, 2003 12:31AM)
Juan Tamariz has a stack which incorporates some poker deals too.
It is on one of his newest videos.

Gene B
Message: Posted by: Ron Giesecke (Jan 9, 2003 12:33AM)
Simon Aronson gives away the stack itself, in .pdf format on his website:


Read the whole thing. You'll see that while there may be mnemonic "short-cuts," as it were, to aid and abet the curve, it will really not matter because the effective, instantaneous recall required for many effects will still have to come by rote saturation.

Darwin Ortiz [i]does[/i] have an outstanding effect in his new book, [i]Scams & Fantasies With Cards,[/i] that would in reality, be a good one for practicing the memorized deck (see "Zen Master"), as there are deliberate pauses and contortions written into the trick--allowing any needed delay for calculation. Do not get me wrong, the spectator will not interpret this to be practice, as the trick is set up that way at the outset.
Message: Posted by: phonic69 (Jan 9, 2003 01:34AM)
I agree with the Aronson Stack, it's the one I learnt and his books keep adding new ideas into the mix. Go click on the link above!

Message: Posted by: Kjellstrom (Jan 9, 2003 03:59AM)
I think the Joyal Stack is best!
Great web for stacks & memorized decks:

Message: Posted by: Pablo Tejero (Jan 9, 2003 04:28AM)
Of course it depends on you, but for example the best memorized decks (stacks) here in Spain, or at least the most used were Juan Tamarizīs and Daniel DaOrtizīs decks.

And in my opinion both are great. Everybody knows Juan. And Daniel is a young cardician, who improve some ideas of Juanīs memorized deck, to get a great new one.

But as always, it depends on you.

All the best magic,

Pablo Tejero :bikes:
Message: Posted by: jw_2101 (Jan 9, 2003 07:29AM)
I think breakthrough card system has good merits
Message: Posted by: Pablo Tejero (Jan 9, 2003 11:00AM)
Liyao, just a question. As you are seeing 6th Hour book, could you give as a review? Or anyone here? Is it really an interesting and really-works method of learning memorized deck?

All the best magic,

Pablo Tejero :bikes:
Message: Posted by: JimMaloney (Jan 9, 2003 11:15AM)
The best stack? Well the one you've memorized, of course!

99% of effects that rely on memorized stacks are stack-independant, meaning that it doesn't matter which stack you use.
So just go out, pick a stack (or just take a regular, shuffled deck) and memorize it!

Message: Posted by: Larry Davidson (Jan 9, 2003 11:28AM)
On 2003-01-09 12:00, Pablo Tejero wrote:
Liyao, just a question. As you are seeing 6th Hour book, could you give as a review? Or anyone here? Is it really an interesting and really-works method of learning memorized deck?

All the best magic,

Pablo Tejero :bikes:

I use that stack professionally and it took me less than 6 hours to learn it. And I don't have a particularly good short term memory. Not sure what else there is to say except that it works.
Message: Posted by: Scott Cram (Jan 9, 2003 02:12PM)
I'll defer to Darwin Ortiz from his new book, Scams & Fantasies with Cards:

"Magicians often ask me what memorized stack I recommend. My advice is always the same: take a deck, shuffle it, memorize it. If you're not inclined to this advice, you may want to consult p.215 of The Annontated Erdnase for a survey of some of the options."
Message: Posted by: Kjellstrom (Jan 9, 2003 03:39PM)
The most important factor here is to find a clever method to learn a stack. In Martin Joyals book "Six-Hour Memorized Deck" he teaches a very clever system to memorize a deck with 52 cards. I think the average reader can learn this stack pretty easy. The Joyal stack has also an apparent random order which is important.
Message: Posted by: DavidPenn (Jan 9, 2003 04:47PM)
The Aronson stack period.
Message: Posted by: Larry Davidson (Jan 9, 2003 05:09PM)
The best is obviously subjective, and the Aronson stack was not the best for me for two reasons - -

1. It would take longer to learn than the Joyal stack; and,

2. I have no interest in performing the effects that are built into the Aronson stack so the Joyal stack's lack of built-in effects was not a downside to me.

In any event, a memorized deck is nothing more than a tool, and what's important is the particular effects you perform using that tool.
Message: Posted by: SCGillett (Mar 22, 2003 06:38PM)
Pablo, where can I find more information about Daniel's stack?
Message: Posted by: ddyment (Mar 22, 2003 09:17PM)
The literature is filled with a variety of clever memorized decks, including a number of different techniques to employ in committing them to memory (there are four). Those interested in the different approaches (and their associated trade-offs) might find [url=http://www.oratory.com/deceptionary/aboutstacks.html]An Introduction to Full-Deck Stacks[/url] to be interesting reading.

... Doug
Message: Posted by: Saqib16 (Mar 28, 2003 11:33PM)
where on aronsons site does it give his deck away?
Message: Posted by: SCGillett (Mar 28, 2003 11:52PM)
Magicians Only > Memorized Deck Magic > Click here for a Free Download of Memories Are Made of This – an Introduction to Memorized Deck Magic. (PDF format, Acrobat 4.0 or higher required)

I should have been clearer. Saqib16, I posted above the path you need to follow.
Message: Posted by: HiveMind (Mar 29, 2003 12:33AM)
I am working with the Aronson stack because
I plan to do poker demos, but the Aronson
stack is really interesting because it has
an embedded stack in it. If you like the
idea of poker demos The Aronson stack is

If not, you might want to do what Tamirez did
and memorize a stack several faros into new
deck order. I'm not suggesting learn his
stack, because from what I understand the
New Deck Order of playing cards in his country is different than here (makes sense)
I suggest that if you want to go this route
learn it 4 faros in from NDO of a standard
deck of playing cards from where you live.

If you want to learn a stack, you can use
all sorts of shortcuts to get it down, but
why? When you can gain some kind of benefit
why not just spend the effort to learn one
with perks? I used a mnemonic system to learn
the Aronson stack, but Im going back to learn
it rote so that I have it lightning fast,
the mnemonics are just an aid incase my memory fails me. Think about that. Whatever
system you use to learn the stack should have
a decent recall time in case you forget, and
it is best if you STILL learn it the hard
way. A professional would do it that way.
Its your magic reputation on the line, no one
can decide for you, but I hope we can be
Message: Posted by: Dennis Loomis (Mar 29, 2003 09:35AM)
I personally use the Aronson Stack and feel that the built in effects are very strong. And, it's supported by the many routines which Simon and others have worked out for it over the years.
However, if you are seeking an easy to learn memorized deck, I suggest Doug Dyment's Quick Stack. It's contained in his book: Mindsights. It's subtitled The Half-Hour Memorized Deck... and I think that's pretty accurate. Look for it at http://www.oratory.com
I write a monthly column on memorized deck work in the Ezine: Smoke and Mirrors. I'm always interested in meeting and corresponding with memorized deck users. So, to promote that, I have a standing offer to send to anyone the back articles I've written at no cost. Then, if you care to share anything you've come up with, that would be great. I also hope to organize a gathering of Memorized Deck Devotees some time during the coming year. Contact me if you have any interest in that.
Dennis Loomis