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Topic: Glass eating - the real thing?
Message: Posted by: Tamip (Feb 3, 2007 11:21AM)
Hi all.
I have been looking for a method to eat real glass for quite a while, and I could'nt find anything. Im not talking about trick methods like the "geek magic" DVD, I'm searching for a practical method to chew & swallow real glass.
do you know of anything like that?
Message: Posted by: fishwasher (Feb 3, 2007 11:30AM)
There is a method in swami/mantra,but I do not know how good/safe it is,

also I think the best place for this to be asked would be here

[url]http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewforum.php?forum=23&8902[/url]

in the believe it or not forum
Message: Posted by: acesover (Feb 3, 2007 12:29PM)
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On 2007-02-03 12:21, Tamip wrote:
Hi all.
I have been looking for a method to eat real glass for quite a while, and I could'nt find anything. Im not talking about trick methods like the "geek magic" DVD, I'm searching for a practical method to chew & swallow real glass.
do you know of anything like that?

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Just one question. WHY?
Message: Posted by: Harley Newman (Feb 3, 2007 01:31PM)
Find someone who knows it, and learn from them. There are a lot of risks to this, that aren't obvious. Don't just go to a guy who read about it on the internet. Find an expert.
Message: Posted by: Freak Prodigy (Feb 3, 2007 04:02PM)
Like Harley or Todd.
Message: Posted by: montemagic (Feb 3, 2007 10:20PM)
AThe swami/mantra does have the classic effect in there. This is a classic stunt more than magic. In the Mantra they tell you what kind of glass to look for, and how to grind it between your teeth.

Remember that what goes in, always comes out.
Message: Posted by: Freak Prodigy (Feb 3, 2007 11:40PM)
Let me reiderate the fact that :

ONE SHOULD NEVER EVER LEARN A DANGEROUS STUNT FROM TEXT OR VIDEO...

The ONLY way to learn is from a PROFESSIONAL...not someone that "knows how" or "can" but some one that makes a living at it.


And another thing...the Author of Swami/Mantra NEVER ate glass.


Brett.
Message: Posted by: Harley Newman (Feb 3, 2007 11:41PM)
Swami-Mantra has lots of information, most of it being half of what one really needs to know. Find an expert who will teach you, in person.

Let us not give advice here, about how to do things that are dangerous, to people we don't know. It's unprofessional and irresponsible.
Message: Posted by: Tamip (Feb 4, 2007 12:12AM)
Ok, thanks for your comments.

as far as I know,swami-mantra is a collection of "swami" magazinez, not all written by one man. I hope the guy that wrote about glass eating knows what he's doing.
Message: Posted by: montemagic (Feb 4, 2007 12:24AM)
I learned how to eat fire from a book. It's not where you read it, it's the common sense you apply to it.
Message: Posted by: Freak Prodigy (Feb 4, 2007 09:52AM)
Not necessarily.

Common sense isn't a substitute for knowledge.

But hey...what do I know...right?

Go ahead and eat all the fire and glass that you want, just make sure you read those instructions!


Brett.
Message: Posted by: Stephon (Feb 4, 2007 10:25AM)
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On 2007-02-04 01:24, montemagic wrote:
I learned how to eat fire from a book. It's not where you read it, it's the common sense you apply to it.
[/quote]And, in emergencies, people have delivered babies by reading how in a book, but given the option, no thinking person would choose that over the knowledge and EXPERIENCE of a professional.

Common sense is gained through experience--how does someone without experience have the common sense to know if they're reading something incomplete or poorly conceived?
Message: Posted by: Stephon (Feb 4, 2007 10:44AM)
I gather from your website that you're a veterinarian or work in the field; I work part time as a tech. How many times have you had an owner come in flush with wrong information (or a wrong understanding of information) they got from reading some animal enthusiast's website? How many have argued with you when you, with all your years of training, try to correct their misunderstanding?

Yes, a person can learn something by reading about it. And sometimes they even understand it.
Message: Posted by: montemagic (Feb 4, 2007 10:45AM)
Self preservation is instinctual common sense.
Message: Posted by: Stephon (Feb 4, 2007 11:05AM)
Yeah, but unfortunately, when someone sets their face on fire 'cuz they don't really know what they're doing, self preservation just means running around in a panic trying not to die.
Message: Posted by: gsidhe (Feb 4, 2007 10:49PM)
There is no instinct in nature that tells a person to eat glass or put flamable fluids in their moutth, so conversely, no instinct to take over when things go wrong.
Isn't that part of the point? We do things that are against common sense and instinct?
Books and internet are both crap. The only real use for them in this business is to find out who can teach for real.
Without training, it is just an accident waiting to happen.
Gwyd
Message: Posted by: montemagic (Feb 5, 2007 01:12PM)
You are built in with survival instincts. That is why when you go to attempt something such as this you get scared and don't do it, if you are confident in your ability you carry it out. I agree that learning from a professional is the best way to go, but it is not the only way to go, remember that professionals are the ones writing these books. Do your research, and determine whether or not you feel ready. Some people do benefit more from having someone walk them through things, others teach themselves. If you want to eat glass, you are taking a risk no matter who has "taught" you how to do it. A teacher will tell you the same thing a book will, YOU still have to carry out the actions. No teacher can chew it for you, they can give you insight, exactly the same way a book does. So seek out someone to read the instructions to you, your chances of getting hurt are going to be pretty much the same. You can die from eating glass. You can perforate your bowel, get septic, and die. A professional can chew up the glass, spit it in your mouth, and you could still die from eating glass.
Message: Posted by: Harley Newman (Feb 5, 2007 02:54PM)
Why yes, several professionals HAVE written books. There's one fire-eating book that's actually good. Most, aren't worth the paper they're printed on. I know of one professional, who gives away a copy of his book, to everyone who hires him. My sense of sarcasm cannot begin to say enough about this person. Uh...totally irresponsible...oops, no sarcasm there.

There's a considerable difference between learning from a book, and from a teacher, or at least, a good one. A book cannot tell you, when you're about to make a serious mistake, or what to do about it. A book cannot guide you through the learning process in a way that takes your individual pecularities into consideration. A book cannot make a judgement call about either time or order in which a student is prepared to learn the next step

My bookshelf contains most of the English-language books on this artform, that involve discussion of how a stunt can be done. There are bits and pieces of good information in some of them, but most are garbage, written for profit by people who might be fans, who want to show off how much they know about "secrets".

Matt, you mention fears. There are socially-conditioned fears, and hard-wired ones. They serve a basic function of preserving the integrity of our bodies and our egos. Whether preservation of egos is a worthwhile thing, I'll leave to others to discuss. A good teacher will see both types, and help the student learn to work with them. A book can't do that.

You learned to eat fire from a book. Maybe you found the right book. Good for you, you lucked out. But the technical lessons of fire, do not apply to other stunts. I see from your website that you're selling the Iron Palm. Guess what? Card tricks won't damage your body much, when they go wrong. Stunts will. We're not talking about cards here.
Message: Posted by: montemagic (Feb 5, 2007 04:33PM)
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... But the technical lessons of fire, do not apply to other stunts. I see from your website that you're selling the Iron Palm. Guess what? Card tricks won't damage your body much, when they go wrong. Stunts will. We're not talking about cards here.
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Cute, completely off topic and inapplicable to the discussion, but still cute.

I will repeat that learning from a professional is a great way to go. Tamip's quest for methodology on glass eating can very quickly and easily be solved by a book, and since he is asking on these forums we already know he has sense enough to not try and just eat some glass. So Tamip, as you see from previous posts there are books out there on the subject, it is real, and you can find your methods there. Oh, guess what, Eating glass is DANGEROUS! But I don't think you have to join the circus to learn how to eat glass. Quite honestly, I would bet that after you read the method, you won't want to eat glass at all.

And so you know, Card tricks are not stunts. Learning card sleights from a book is completely different from learning stunts. That my friend is a great example of common sense, and I didn’t think you need it spelled out for you, but I do it for the benefit of others.
Message: Posted by: erikkloeker (Feb 5, 2007 05:47PM)
Monte just let me ask you one question... "Do you, or have you ever eaten glass" If the answer to that question is yes... you may be able to add something usefull to this discussion, if the answer is no... then you need to ask the question to yourself "Do you really feel morally just in giving advice to someone to do a dangerous stunt, that you really don't know anything about?" You'd have to agree that the chances of getting hurt by eating glass would be reduced if everyone that tried it had a teacher that DOES do the stunt and knows exactly what he/she is talking about.
Message: Posted by: montemagic (Feb 5, 2007 06:20PM)
[quote]
On 2007-02-03 12:21, Tamip wrote:
Hi all.
I have been looking for a method to eat real glass for quite a while, and I could'nt find anything. Im not talking about trick methods like the "geek magic" DVD, I'm searching for a practical method to chew & swallow real glass.
do you know of anything like that?

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I have not ever eaten glass, and probably never will. I will however answer his question on searching for methods. That is what this is here for, and I have no problem sharing my knowledge. I am no expert on the subject, and I do not claim to be. I think it has been made very clear by everyone here that this is a dangerous stunt, no one is denying that. I have already agreed that a teacher is a good way to go, perhaps you missed that both times I mentioned it.

"Do you really feel morally just in giving advice to someone to do a dangerous stunt, that you really don't know anything about?"

If I didn't know anything about it, I wouldn't have answered in the first place. All of you experts have made it very clear that he needs a teacher, but still have not given him the advice he seeks. Give him some books to go to, or if you don't believe in books then give him a teacher to go to. Give him both. But don't assume that all people in the world learn like you do, all you can do is share your advice. So talk to Tamir, not me, he wants to find methods, I think he understands that the professionals (which I am not) recommend getting a teacher before attempting this dangerous stunt. I have already told him that he could die from attempting this stunt, which by the way is my Professional medical opinion.
Message: Posted by: montemagic (Feb 5, 2007 06:55PM)
[quote]
On 2007-02-04 11:44, Stephon wrote:
I gather from your website that you're a veterinarian or work in the field; I work part time as a tech. How many times have you had an owner come in flush with wrong information (or a wrong understanding of information) they got from reading some animal enthusiast's website? How many have argued with you when you, with all your years of training, try to correct their misunderstanding?

Yes, a person can learn something by reading about it. And sometimes they even understand it.
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I missed that post, it looks like we posted at the same time. And you are absolutely right. My disagreement was in response that you cannot learn the method from reading, and for me personally that is enough for me to know whether or not I should try something. I will say I do admire everyones enthusiasm and concern to stress the safety in performing these stunts, and hopefully he will heed the advice given by the professionals. Methods are availble to be read, and hopefully someone will give him advice to where to find it, other than Swami-Mantra which has already been mentioned.
Message: Posted by: erikkloeker (Feb 5, 2007 08:25PM)
Teachers: The person to go to would be Todd or Harley, there are certainly others, but those are 2 that I feel are your best bet. Todd does a class at Coney Island in New York, and Harley at his home (in Pennsylvania I believe. I'm sure if you pm'ed either of these people about thier class they can give you information about thier classes or point you to another responsible teacher.
Message: Posted by: Freak Prodigy (Feb 5, 2007 08:45PM)
We realize that the Café is here for others to help others, but giving advice in an area you know nothing about it not only very dangerous but is very stupid.


Brett.
Message: Posted by: thegreatnippulini (Feb 6, 2007 08:02AM)
Okay, I've sat here long enough reading everyday without saying anything. Monte, here's an EXCELLENT analogy about what people here are tryinhg to tell you:

How many aspects go into, say, driving a car? For arguments sake, we'll say one hundred. Now, let's say you're a 15 y.o. kid who wants to learn how to drive. The kid buys every book on driving. He studies these books for months preparing for the leap into the freedom that is driving. He's got that "one hundred things" down pat, but never got a chance to do it. Up to this point, no one has EVER shown him anything. Let's say he's lucky enough to get his license. He's driving for a week or so. One day, it's raining while he's driving, he attempts to change a radio station or CD, a big pick up truck is up his rear with high beams on and there's 3 stopped cars in front of him and he's travelling 50 mph. Now all of the sudden that "one hundred aspects" just got thrown out the window because for every one aspect in life, there are multitudes of possibilities within each aspect, and it goes on exponentially. Did any of those books and studying help him? Would YOU want to be in the passengers seat with this kid? The answer is no. You see, having someone there guiding you along the way helps you be able to prepare for things a book will NEVER be able to fortell let alone how to deal with it once it happens (oh and it WILL happen). I don't know one welder that hasnt burned himself. I don't know one biker who hasn't fallen off his ride. I don't know one office worker who hasn't suffered a papercut. I've been taught to eat glass and I myself have even sliced my tongue, but at least there was SOMEONE THERE FOR ME!! Worst case scenario, you fcku up on stage and pull the "It's-A-Great-Trick-But-I-Can-Only-Do-It-Once" routine.
Message: Posted by: Danny Borneo (Feb 6, 2007 08:52AM)
Well put TGN. I didn't really want to chime in as much on this as I do not eat glass. I've been told by Todd even, "DON'T DO IT", so I don't. One of the biggest issues that keeps me from doing it is the damage it can do to enamel on your teeth. Being that I also do fire eating and breathing, I don't really want my teeth to be any weaker from a single stunt that while often playing big I can personally do without for now. I agree 100% though that a teacher is of utmost importance with something like this, especially in the case of Mr. Tamip. If you notice it wasn't even initially posted in the correct area of the Café, so maybe I'm just guessing here, but I'm going to say that he isn't a sideshow performer in any way. In fact his previous 11 posts on the Café have been in the Bizarre section and some stuff on card manipulation. I feel that actually acesover had one of the best questions to Tamip, "Why?" This really encompasses a lot of aspects in that one word question: 1. How is he fitting this into an act, esentially anyone can do 99% of the stuff out there, but without showmanship and presentation it's nothing (this also something that you can get a better understanding of from a teacher than from a book, books don't teach cadence, rhythm or style) 2. Why if he is more along the lines of a magician does he need it to be real glass eating vs. a gaffed method, in one of his previous posts he even advises other magicians to come up with "magical" methods to such things as corn kernel in the eye, concrete block breaking over the head, etc. 3. Why does he want to do something that can cause serious long term damage to his body?


Lastly I would like to point out that this section of the Café isn't a forum to discuss "how to" do what we do, but more why we do what we do, or own various takes on very old, very secret methods that should only be shared with the right knowledgable people, not in a public forum. For example, it is frowned upon to talk about fuels used for fire manipulation, in the event that someone stumbles in here reads it and tries it on their own. You don't see me running over to Pasteboard Frolics asking how to perform an ambitious card routine, I would get chastised for asking for methods. I'd feel pretty responsible if someone read a post by me saying "hey this is how I eat fire..." and ended up burning themselves very badly. That is why the best advisment is ....get a teacher. Anyway that's my thoughts on the subject.
Message: Posted by: Caveat Lector (Feb 8, 2007 08:22AM)
Being someone who has been eating glass for many years and have eaten thousands of bulbs over those years, I feel that I have something to add. Monte you are giving advice about something that you really do not truly understand at all. If you have never actually eaten glass then your advice has no real place in being here. Just because you read about it does not make you someone who can give advice or instruction on the stunt. Could the basic techniques be read and possibly learned out of a book, perhaps, but without solid knowledge and instruction you will untimately be making a big mistake. Just because you eat fire does not make you a sideshow performer or someone who can give advice on the subject or stunts. There are several people on this forum who eat glass and make a living at it, I happen to be just one of them. But, I have spoken to the others and I can tell you after you have eaten many bulbs the only advice I give to others who want to learn is that there are other stunts that are less harmful for you in the long run. But, if someone is very serious about learning they can aquire the knowledge through the proper channels.
Message: Posted by: Tony Webs (Apr 14, 2007 11:59PM)
Ive always found it helps to eat the glass with ketchup (a good quality tomatoe sauce) don't use the cheap stuff, it could be dangerous.
Message: Posted by: Todd Robbins (Apr 16, 2007 07:43AM)
I hear there were many surprises in Coney Island this weekend...including someone talking at length about how to eat glass. And it's funny, 'cause the guy said he would not teach it and it yet he did it on a whim. The sad news is that it looks like he never will talk about it again, unless he is offered big, big bucks to do a three volume DVD set of "Easy To Master Glass Eating".
Message: Posted by: Addy (Apr 16, 2007 08:27AM)
I heard the same thing. Wow.
I'm only happy when it rains.
Message: Posted by: Danny Borneo (Apr 16, 2007 09:50AM)
Hey I remember that!! I feel like the luckiest boy in all of the land. Had a great time this weekend. And hope everyone enjoyed themselves as well.

Dan
Message: Posted by: The Amazing Noobini (Apr 27, 2007 07:24PM)
As a teenager, eons ago, I was at a party in my good old neighborhood where the guy next to me, after finishing his ten billion'th drink with apparently no effect, calmly ate his glass. The most deadpan man I ever met. The same guy who spray painted my real name advertizing me as a drug dealer with "the best prices in town" even though I was completely innocent. Right in front of the principle's door at our school no less.

Anyway... I don't think anything bad happened to him, but here finally is the point: The SOUNDS!! Thinking about it today I can still hear them. Who would want to stay for a performance like that?

I suddenly also got a flashback to my first few years in grade school where Norway's only famous Fakir, a middle aged shirtless man who lived mostly on the streets, would show up from time to time and hang around the kids in the school yard eating light bulbs and bottle caps. Ahhh. The memories. I bet the education system isn't like that anymore.

Think about kids copying you if they see you eating glass! Or breath fire! It may not just be about your safety.
Message: Posted by: Freak Prodigy (Apr 27, 2007 08:14PM)
Hey Todd, have you softened in your old age?

Teaching glass eating, I can't believe it!


Brett.
Message: Posted by: Todd Robbins (Apr 27, 2007 11:57PM)
Think about kids copying you if they see you eating glass! Or breath fire! It may not just be about your safety.
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The only people that have started eating glass after seeing me perform are not kids,they are other peformers.

I long ago gave up worrying about the mythical 'others'.

I am sure that post was meant with the best of intentions, but the content just irks me royally.

Todd Robbins
Message: Posted by: dave_matkin (Apr 28, 2007 05:28AM)
I agree here with Todd.

I don’t think that kids will copy an adult performer that they have seen doing fire breathing or glass eating. They are more likely to copy it if they see one of their peers doing it. OR their peers encouraging them to do it.

Kids are going to play with fire anyway! I know I did as a kid (not proud of it but I would be lying if I said I did not). Not saying that we should let them try fire breathing!

Also I don’t think the “don’t try this at home” phrase necessarily helps! If you go to the UKEA 2007 meeting (http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=206589&forum=18&7) thread and watch the video you will see what I mean. When Ken did his human block head bit they flashed don’t try this at home over the screen. But not for the tying chains round someone’s neck. It made me laugh that they had decided sticking nail up nose was bad enough to warn not to try it but tying something round your neck is fine!!

I think kids are more likely to copy something off TV than seeing a performer doing it “on stage”. Of course this is my opinion and I could very well be wrong!

Interesting discussion though.
Message: Posted by: Todd Robbins (Apr 28, 2007 09:26AM)
For the last 150 years, what we do has been featured in circuses, carnivals and amusement parks. And who goes to these venues? Families. So, if our great-great-grandparents saw this stuff and survived, and all generations thereafter did the same, I think it is safe to perform for kids today.

To worry about what might or could or maybe will happen is negative speculation that is just too paralyzing.

I think what is important is to present what we do with as much meaning, class and entertainment value as possible. And this goes for ALL forms of performance, not just sideshow skills.
Message: Posted by: The Amazing Noobini (Apr 28, 2007 10:59AM)
Ok. I'm apparently getting the full denial speech here so I can tell that this is something you have been worrying about deep inside. Never mind. It wasn't an accusation in any way.

Maybe kids have changed. Something in the drinking water maybe. When I was one myself, kids around me copied stuff like that. In my day the biggest band in the world was Kiss, to give one example, and a few kids tried fire breathing after seeing Gene Simmons do it. Probably not the smartest kids so maybe it was a good thing from a Darwinistic point of view.

The point is that kids copy stuff like that and you know that they do. If you don't care, that is fine. You are not legally responsible.

I'll go away now and leave you to discuss your cuisine in peace.
Message: Posted by: dave_matkin (Apr 28, 2007 11:47AM)
I blame the parents............

Take you r pick:

1) The parents of the performers.
2) The parents of the kids doing stupid stuff.
3) The parents of the people booking performers.
4) The parents of the kids encouraging the dumber ones to try it.

Oh hold on what about this:

"I did it its my fault I got burned, cut, run over, disappeared and couldn’t make myself come back, *insert problem here*"

Am I going to get sued now for taking the blame for everything in the world? Perhaps I should have made my point more clear?
Message: Posted by: Kondini (Apr 28, 2007 12:41PM)
When I was a kid (A couple of years ago now) We played Cowboys and Indians, I had a Gollywog,used to take the wee wee out of gay`s etc etc,,,,so now it`s all a matter of being Politicaly correct,,,a lot of things that were frowned upon are now accepted (Not by me though!!) A lot of things that were acceptable then are not now.
We are manouvered by legislation hatched up by half witted moorons who think they know what`s best for us all.
I fight this all the way,,,,and for those who have seen my work will testify that I take the wee wee out of everyone (Including myself)Encourage the kids to hammer nails in their heads, Im rude to their ugly parents etc etc,,,all done tongue down their throats though and through breaking the now fashionable "norm" have come up with a harsh style which breaks all the laws in polite society but through being brash and alternative becomes acceptable by the prudes. Maybe the realisation of how stupid everything has become is brought to their attention.

So eat glass,stick whatever you like where you like,,,if anyone complains stick them as well but always do as you want to do, not as others want you to do.

There comes a time in everyones life when you start to live life the way you want to and stuff the rest,,,,providing its legal, then its ok with me.

So do your own thing and *** the moaners!!

Ken
Message: Posted by: Todd Robbins (Apr 28, 2007 06:19PM)
[quote]
On 2007-04-28 11:59, The Amazing Noobini wrote:
Ok. I'm apparently getting the full denial speech here so I can tell that this is something you have been worrying about deep inside. Never mind. It wasn't an accusation in any way.


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What also irks me royally is people doing psychological profiles of people they have never met.

Perhaps the original post was not an accusation, but this last one from Noobini was.

Todd "Deeply Worried" Robbins
Message: Posted by: Todd Robbins (Apr 29, 2007 08:52PM)
What makes me laugh is a card guy walking into this area and posting things they know nothing about. Has he eaten glass for a living? Or does fire eating a dozen times a day for the public. If the answer is no, he has no credibility. The only people that even the slightest idea of what I am thinking is Harley, Kondini, Johnny Fox and a handful of others that are out there in the trenches.

As one old pro wrestler said to me, "If you have never laced up the boots, you don't know what it is all about".

Todd
Message: Posted by: Harley Newman (Apr 29, 2007 09:20PM)
Truth.
Message: Posted by: Harley Newman (Apr 29, 2007 11:23PM)
I find that kids have a better sense of reality testing than most adults, about these things.

Jugglers, who as a class of human beings, possess almost zero creativity (which is why so many of them steal routines from each other), at least use their bodies to make their art happen. They understand the physicality of stunt performance. A few of them understand how to be original. Only a few.

Magicians, bless their stunted little souls (if you happen to believe in those things), are so accustomed to thinking of the "trick", that often, they can't fathom the reality of what we do.

"Sideshow" performers happen to do, pretty much what they say they do. It's very simple, which presents a paradox that it has even greater power to deceive, because that's what we all do. When we entertain, we're creating a different reality for the audience.

The thing that can make a DG like this work, is that there are many parallels among the various disciplines. So we create a mutual feeding frenzy. This is good.

But if another newbie attempts to explain to me, how to do a bed of nails (for example), I'm just gonna, well, I'll just laugh, as usual. It would be like me trying to tell Ricky Jay or Jamy Ian Swiss, how to do a double lift.