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Topic: Escape Records According to Chance
Message: Posted by: Chance (Feb 23, 2007 09:58PM)
Everyone's talking about standards. Here are the standards I would like to see...

STRAIT JACKET: 100% Leather. New; never before worn. Correctly sized. Collar. Straps with roller buckles (at least 4 down the back; 5 including the collar.) Side and front ADJUSTABLE hold downs. Double groin strap. Arm straps twisted inside each other.

We all know how to escape from this. Holding someone forever is not the point; we all know that escape is inevitable. The point is comparing your skills on par with that of your peers. Equal terms, equal footing, where ever possible. One jacket, one try. The next attempt requires a another virgin jacket. You wanna try 3 times, then have 3 new jackets sent ahead. So-called 10-second escapes will be a thing of the past -- where they belong.

HANDCUFFS: Smith & Wesson 'Model 1 Hinged Universal Handcuff'. 2 pairs/sets. Placed keyhole-to-keyhole. Double locked. Properly and snugly fitted, arms behind the back.

LEG IRONS: Smith & Wesson 'Model 1900 Leg Iron'. 2 pairs/sets. Placed keyhole-to-keyhole. Double locked.

Challenger must agree to a torso x-ray (thighs to eyes), and a general strip pat-down besides. Challenger will then wear a simple hospital gown and be provided with a simple screen for privacy. Time starts on command and ends when both pairs of cuffs hit the floor. Ditto for the leg irons.

All such 'hardware escapes' will include the use of leather mittens.

The only variations allowed would be combining the cuffs and leg irons if the challenger so desired. There would never be any variations such as under water, hanging upside down, on stilts, or while playing a kazoo upside down underwater.

What I propose is simple and effective. If the true purpose of a public world record challenge is to earn the respect of your peers, then this would certainly fit the bill. These would be records to be proud of.
Message: Posted by: Kondini (Feb 24, 2007 05:17AM)
I second that !!!!
Skills of ability rather than manipulation of "BS"

Ken
Message: Posted by: Harry Murphy (Feb 24, 2007 05:46AM)
Great idea Chance! A competition with real, structured, objective criteria. That would sure help some very skillful EA’s earn bragging rights. The winner would be the “most skillful” at whatever category they competed in (straightjacket, cuffs, band aids) or most skillful all around EA.

Maybe the Cannon’s would consider adding this type of competition at their convention next year. They already have similar lock picking competitions.

I'd enjoy watching and even offer to be a judge or a time keeper.

I'd never enter since I have poor skills at "real" escaping (yes I can get out of a “regulation“ (whatever that is) straight jacket (even the proper size), open a pair of Peerless, or S&W cuffs, and even pick the odd lock. But I could, for the life of me, never figure out why I would want to in actual performance.

I can still sling the B.S. and brag/advertise, that I’m “the shortest, oldest (still living and still working), most out of shape,” EA out there! LOL!!!

Now I’d really like to see the competition be at who could entertain an audience with an escape (or series of escapes). The judges would be an audience made up of an assortment for honest to goodness, real (non performer), folks, all ages, genders, races, religions, and sexual persuasion.

Sensors would record laughs, sounds of amazement, and applause. And of course there would be the vote. Now there would be some bragging rights.

Honestly, an entertaining escape impresses me much more than a rigid criteria escape or real danger escape done woodenly or mechanically. Frankly, it is more difficult to pull off!
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Feb 24, 2007 10:04AM)
I hear what you are saying Chance, and I think that wouls be pretty cool, I just wonder what the spectators would think, having watched someone taking ten minutes (or what ever) to set a record, or try to, and then the same person gets out of some get up that looks the same on stage in less than one minute.

I am also curious, having never done any of the real stuff that you are proposing, how long you feel it would take you to get out of the above?

On a side note, as much as I agree with you about the records, There was something relly amazing about watching DuBois get out of a stratjacket in 7 seconds a year and a half ago at cannons, and then watching Andrew do it in less than 5 seconds! These were non gimmicked, but no crotch strap or side loops.

I think if we wanted to institute our own records of the type you are suggesting, the one to speak to would be Tom over at Escape Masters. I have no clue if he would be into it or not, but I beleive that would be the perfect place to keep track of such things. If he were willing, a collumn in his magazine about who is currently holding what record.

Just my thoughts.
Message: Posted by: Chance (Feb 24, 2007 02:13PM)
Thanks Ken, BS indeed.

Harry, as regards your final paragraph, we're only talking now about a record challenge, not performance. Being funny, charming or otherwise entertaining is not the issue here.

Cliff. Records are not for the spectators. Shows are. A world record challenge **should** be more for private consumption than public. It **should** be a legitimate test of one's abilities against those of their peers, with only strict objective criteria as the guideline. Those that insist the opposite are only interested in papering their den with cool looking, but utterly bogus "certificates". Then they get to display them on their web sites and promo materials. Could be a great marketing tool for some, but not for everyone.

7 seconds? 5 seconds? Hell, why even bother with a jacket. Why not just digress right to a wet paper bag? As a martial arts instructor it bothers me when I hear guys brag about how they earned a Black Belt in just a few months. I don't care WHO they are, or what physical skills they possess, they really couldn't have done it. There is just so much more to the fighting arts than punching and kicking or twisting through the air. Sure, maybe they were GIVEN a BB certificate, but there is no doubt about whether or not it was deserved.

Likewise, it bothers me even more to know that most of the EA's taking credit for these bogus records could probably handle a true record challenge, like the one I suggested. That being the case, why give in to these meaningless challenges? It just doesn't make any sense to me. Why accept the false Black Belt certificate when you could proove that you were worthy of the real thing?

How long would it take me? I couldn't say. I've never been challenged under those criteria. But I would love to find out while I'm still able!
Message: Posted by: AntonDreaming (Feb 24, 2007 03:45PM)
Maybe Chance you should set the bench mark for a few of these and get the ball rolling. I think its a very interesting idea. Maybe you could work with cannons and come up with a set of challenges that would determin who was the best/most skilled in the fields in question. I myself will be picking up some leg irons shortly. Well see what I figure out.

Anton
Message: Posted by: Chance (Feb 24, 2007 04:37PM)
I thought I just had. What seems to be missing in your opinion?
Message: Posted by: AntonDreaming (Feb 24, 2007 09:56PM)
I was meaning that you should atempt some of these at set a time to be beat. Even if its not a particularly stellar time it will encourge other to attmept as they will have somthing to compare their time to.

Sorry for the confusion...

Anton
Message: Posted by: Chance (Feb 24, 2007 10:22PM)
As you and Harry both said the Cannon's would probably be a better place to start. If my post here inspires them so much the better, but I am neither qualified nor motivated to offer a world record challenge myself.
Message: Posted by: AntonDreaming (Feb 24, 2007 10:34PM)
Understood. But even Just to atempt and document your own attempt for others to late compare would be interesting. Not suggesting that you yourself should hold some sort of compitition or anything. But agreed cannons would be the place to start.

Anton
Message: Posted by: Kondini (Feb 25, 2007 10:19AM)
Such efforts should be made within the ea community as a closed shop event.
To make public such a spectacle of being able to escape from anything in a short time, will demean the whole aspect of entertaining escapology, for the public to be made aware that there are many escapologists capable of escapeing everything will detract from the awe appeal which is the crux of our art in entertainment form.

If people must try to outdo others for self esteem then let it be done in private. For, from a performance point of view it would be self prostitution.

The biuld up of any escape is what gives us the art and entertainment value.

The speed escape is as to speed date!!!! Over before its begun !!!!

I know which I would prefer.

Escapology is a "Performance Art" Why turn it into an Olympic Trial.

Ken
Message: Posted by: Roslyn (Feb 25, 2007 04:08PM)
First off, I'd like to say its great to see Chance back amoung us. Its been a while.

I'm a bit confused with the cuff stuff.

Are you saying that the ea shouldn't have tools, should be able to hide tools so that they aren't detected during the search or use tools out in the open?

If you are to use tools, would there be a set tool that's aloud and therefore other stuff isn't?

What tools would be aloud and what wouldn't?

Also, if tools are used out in the open would the search simply be to make sure that only those permitted tools are being used?

Why the screen? Surely the only way to make sure that the ea isn't cheating is to have the thing out in the open?

I mean we're all part of the deceptive arts so, to be totally blunt, we lie for a living ;)

With regards to the sj stuff. Aren't there already rules set for this? I was of the impression that a Posey with friction buckles and front/side loops was the standard. Since this is a regulation sj it seems to make sense.
Message: Posted by: Chance (Feb 25, 2007 04:49PM)
Hi Ros, great to BE back.

The original post simply refers to MY preferences for world record challenge criteria. My personal dream list, as it were. I'm aware that either Humane Restraint or Posey jackets are considered the current standard. But I'm also aware that the very same jackets are being "beaten" in less than 10 seconds.

My other "dream" was to simplify the whole process. All the under water, stilt, fastest, slowest, longest, lowest, highest crap was getting me down. Let's be honest and just call it out for the crazy nonsense it is. All the categories and sub categories are just excuses for extra meaningless certificates. A lot of light, but zero heat.

After posting the original, I did think of one extra category, which you also mentioned: tools-in-the-open, or not. Rankings would be awarded for each. But I'm NOT in favor of complicating the escapes themselves any further than previously mentioned. Just keep it simple: 4 possible escape variations, each with the possiblity of open use of tools.

The privacy issue would be left up to the participant. No extra merits or demerits either way. But I'm willing to bet privacy would be asked for at least 75% of the time.

By closely following all the above the threat of cheating would be reduced to just about nil. So long as real pros were staging the challenge and egos were left at the door there shouldn't be too much worry. And that's exactly my point overall. The way things are managed currently the foxes run the chicken coop. Since when does the runner tell the marathon organizers how to stage the run? Or the boxers tell the gaming commission how to behave? But somehow the EA's have managed to do just that. With my setup the exact opposite would be happening, and the participants would be the ones taking the orders and doing their best to succeed under the conditions set forth by the managing body of experts. I realize I'm stepping on a lot of toes right now, but I'm just calling it the way I see it.
Message: Posted by: dave_matkin (Feb 26, 2007 08:15AM)
HI Guys......

Sounds good ...... only thing is ........ I think the added task of playing a Kazoo upside down in water would really make the task difficult! And I am not sure you can play a kazoo underwater! And what would cliff 37 do he has been practicing for ages …………“You can't hear it on the Café, but I am plying "happy birthday" on my kazoo!” and “I am getting tired of playing happy birthday on my kazoo. I am going to play jingle bells instead, and just know I mean happy birthday.” (Cliffg37 Special user Long Beach, CA)

But seriously … the idea of a restricted number of possibilities is a good idea. I thought though that was the idea? They don’t allow firsts, why allow new slightly different things anyway? I don’t suppose they would award new records for different height stilts.

My only question is why smith and western – and not say Hiatts? Or is it the type of cuff you want to restrict?

The idea of a full search is good – but I am not sure about the x-ray part – thinking of time in arranging and having ones testicles fried etc? What about metal detector instead? Or do you want the tails felling off all our little fellows?
Message: Posted by: Harley Newman (Feb 26, 2007 08:57AM)
But "Happy Birthday" and "Jingle Bells" are two different songs. That means there'd be two different records.
Message: Posted by: dave_matkin (Feb 26, 2007 04:02PM)
It¡¦s a very good point Harley


But I am sure we will all run out to buy Cliffg37 first hit record on Kazoo when he gets round to cutting it in wax and getting it on to vinyl ļ I am sure we will all support him.

Or did you mean the other type of record?
Message: Posted by: DavidEscapes (Mar 2, 2007 09:40PM)
Hi everyone

I don't want to dredge up the records conversations still further. But I have to add just a couple of things.

Chance said:

"If the true purpose of a public world record challenge is to earn the respect of your peers, then this would certainly fit the bill. These would be records to be proud of."

The true purpose of a world record challenge is to get more gigs! The respect of your peers is earned by the quality of your work, not by escaping from stuff fast!And doesn't pay the bills in any case :)

Ken Said:

"Escapology is a "Performance Art" why turn it into an Olympic Trial."

I agree 100%. that's why I never attempt records as part of normal publlc shows (except for two TV appearences where I got to take my time and make a show out of it!). When I do attempt them, its for publicity, and for charity.

It really doesn't matter one bit, WHAT standards we set for records. They WILL be corrupted. that's why I don't even bother going over old records anymore. Been there, did it. Time to move on. I will take any challenge listed here, set it, and walk away. Someone will come along and beat it soon enough, fairly or not (mostly fairly in my opinion, only occasionally not!) but what of it. If me, or you, or anyone else was the first, anyone else coming after is just following on.

David Straitjacket
Message: Posted by: Chance (Mar 3, 2007 09:56AM)
"The true purpose of a world record challenge is to get more gigs!"

First of all, to set a world record you have to be challenged by one.

Taking part in a simple publicity stunt utilizing regulation jackets (which have been improperly fit and/or applied), or regulation handcuffs (which are actually high quality fakes from Australia), after being searched for tools (by easily embarrassed novices that have never touched a naked human form in public before), etc., etc., etc., does NOT qualify as a world record challenge.

If it did, then every single show I have performed over the past 12 years would qualify!!
Message: Posted by: Kondini (Mar 3, 2007 02:31PM)
Ha ha ha,,,,,,right on,,,,every show I do qualifies me with a new world record,,,,at least that`s what the audience think,,,why, cos that`s what I tell them.

Who`s a little tinker then!

C`mon, its called entertainment.

Ken
Message: Posted by: DavidEscapes (Mar 4, 2007 11:40AM)
[quote]
On 2007-03-03 10:56, Chance wrote:
"The true purpose of a world record challenge is to get more gigs!"

First of all, to set a world record you have to be challenged by one.

Taking part in a simple publicity stunt utilizing regulation jackets (which have been improperly fit and/or applied), or regulation handcuffs (which are actually high quality fakes from Australia), after being searched for tools (by easily embarrassed novices that have never touched a naked human form in public before), etc., etc., etc., does NOT qualify as a world record challenge.
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True. But I think that most of the records being set ARE true challenges, with properly applied, real equipment. There are definatly a few fakers out there, but I don't think it is anyones place to name them without proof. Do you care to name any?

I don't know why everyone is so bothered about records. I set a few to raise money for charity, and as a personal challenge. The whole records issue shouldn't really matter this much to people. And yes, I could probably have found a way to sneak faked equipment in there, but why bother? I can do it for real, so why waste my time messing around! The first time I set a world record I set three, back to back, all of them were accepted by Guinness because I went out of my way to make sure everything was above board. At least one very knowlegable EA was on site and was allowed full access to everything. If there had been a problem, he would have noticed! That wasn't required by Guinness, he just asked to come along, and I was happy to let him have free reign.

Again though, for some people, records are just another way of getting publicity, or raising charity money, or taking on personal challenges, or all three. Who really has the time to get so wrapped up in all of this?
Message: Posted by: Chance (Mar 4, 2007 02:37PM)
That being said David, what's your answer to the original post in the thread? Would you care to take on a record challenge based on those criteria and rules?
Message: Posted by: DavidEscapes (Mar 4, 2007 03:12PM)
I have always taken any worthwhile challenge. I think most escape artists feel the same way.
Message: Posted by: Stuart Burrell (Mar 5, 2007 03:24PM)
It is a funny thing but I once heard Craig Breedlove say that "It lets you down 'cause all of a sudden you have something to loose."

November 3rd 2007 will be the 5th Anniversary of when I set the record for Most Handcuff Escapes in one hour.

It remains one of the best things I have ever done.

I also never thought I would still be holding the record after so long. I really did not.

I have PM'd Chance with regard to this, after all the talk about what should be considered the right cuff to use, as I felt it would be a waste to throw a good record out. Just to clear things, not that anyone here has voiced any real doubts, the handcuffs used in my Guinness attempt were the real deal.

For those that are looking to do something different at Cannon's this year, that record is something and it is different.

To put it another way, someone, anyone, please let me be an ex record holder. Let me lose this one.
Message: Posted by: Chance (Mar 5, 2007 05:06PM)
David, thanks for calling my challenge idea worthwhile.

Stuart, what was the model cuff used in your record? And would you mind telling how you were searched and by whom that day?

For the record (to anyone who wonders) my reason for chosing the cuffs and leg irons mentioned previously, is because they have the specially shaped bow which tightens much closer to the limb, lessening the ability of twisting the wrists. Other than that they are standard double locking (hinged) Smith & Wesson models.
Message: Posted by: DavidEscapes (Mar 5, 2007 05:42PM)
[quote]
On 2007-03-05 18:06, Chance wrote:
David, thanks for calling my challenge idea worthwhile.
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Actually, I didn't say that. I simply said I would take on any worthwhile challenge, I haven't decided whether I actually think yours is worthwhile.

On Balance, while it would obviously be difficult to get out of the restraint ideas you have. I don't really see the entertainment value. Your rules certainly leave plenty of leverage for a successful escape though. Just not necessarily an exciting one.

To be honest, from a purely difficulty point of view. I would prefer to face any one of those challenges that Stuart Burrells handcuff record, which doesn't sound like fun at all!
Message: Posted by: Chance (Mar 5, 2007 06:22PM)
The grammar of your last 2 letters suggested exactly that. But you are certainly able to clarify as you see fit.

Nothing about this thread has anything to do with entertainment value. Excitment was never the point. It is about world record challenges only. But for some reason you and Harry keep coming back to entertainment values. As if the 2 can never be separate.

We all know how to effect escapes. That was never the point either. It's not about holding someone indefinitely, or inflicting pain.

The point of this thread is to draw a clear and concise contrast to the ongoing record challenges we have all read about. The so-called 6-second SJ releases, etc. My view is that there is no such thing with a jacket that has been expertly applied. Ditto for the super fast handcuff releases.

Taking it to the next level, I just thought why not design a structured escape scenario that not only completely eliminates these bogus results, but can be easily replicated by any challenge authority anywhere in the world as well.

Only when everyone is playing by EXACTLY the same rules, facing EXACTLY the same levels of difficulty no matter who is offering the challenge, only then will the stigma of fakery and manipulation go away.

(David has accused me of singleing him out elsewhere in this thread, but I have not. Anything written here, unless specified directly, is always written generally. Looking at the stats this thread seems to be popular. I wish more readers would become writers.)
Message: Posted by: DavidEscapes (Mar 5, 2007 10:15PM)
Just to clarify. The offical world record for the SJ escape is 50 seconds, I don't know where you are getting these 6 second record claims from?
Message: Posted by: Chance (Mar 6, 2007 08:39AM)
I'm only repeating what was said earlier in this same thread....
Message: Posted by: DavidEscapes (Mar 6, 2007 09:04AM)
Well, I think checking on a few facts would be useful. Sure, people have gotten out of straitjackets etc in incredibly fast times. But for the Guinness records the times are not so unbelieveable. And its records we are talking about, not regular stage escapes.
Message: Posted by: DavidEscapes (Mar 6, 2007 09:17AM)
Please note - This post was previously deleted, and has been reposted with the kind permission of Dave Scribner.

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"We are escape artists Chance, entertainment is always going to be the focus. As Ken said, escapology is a performence art. They can't be made seperate.

No rule you could put in place EVER could make it exactly the same for everyone. They can only narrow the playing field a little bit. that's all. Guinness records always use the same rules, and those rules are stringent. Just as you suggest. If the Guinness rules were used for all SJ escapes for instance there would not be any 6 second SJ releases, ever, anywhere. I took a lot of care when I put them together to stop exactly that! Guinness DO NOT HAVE a 6 second SJ record, exactly because they carefully follow proper rules. Their record is 50 seconds, because of good rules being used and followed.

None of the SJ records talked about here in the past few months have been accepted by Guinness to the best of my knowledge.

Their handcuff rules too are quite specific, yes, they make the escape relativly easy for a good EA, but it is EQUALLY relativly easy for anyone! All fair and above board. Your additional ideas simple crate a different handcuff record which is equally relativly hard. that's all. It doesn't actually change a thing. I broke the handcuff record using these rules in a time of 4.25 seconds. Yes, that's way to fast, but the rules allowed me, and anyone else who wanted to have a go a chance to be that fast, while still using proper legit equipment. Your rules just mean the escapes are not going to be as fast. They don't do a single thing to make them more fair!

So, I will say it again. There are record organisations who are not bothering to create proper rules, some of their records are likely to be 100% bogus, though I am sure most are not even for them. The organisations may be useless, but the people breaking the records are decent enough to want to do a proper job even if they don't actually need to, to get the certificate. Guinness, at least is sticking to the rules, and enforcing them. In my opinion Guinness are currently the only organisation officiating records right now that I would give any credence to, or have anything to do with.
Message: Posted by: Tony Chapparo (Mar 6, 2007 04:00PM)
I don't see the point in "escape records" myself, except for what was said above about using them to get more gigs.

I am in the game to hopefully entertain lay people.

I agree with the above post and Kens statement:

Escapology is a "Performance Art" Why turn it into an Olympic Trial?

I would imagine if there were enough rules,test conditions and the right equipment ALL of us would be up the creek w/o a pick.
Message: Posted by: Roslyn (Mar 7, 2007 06:42AM)
The only thing I don't like about the Guinness handcuff records is that they state using police handcuffs.

This is dependent on which country you happen to be in at the time.

In the US you'll probably get chain link S&W 100s (not too difficult), but here in the UK you'll get Hiatts Speedcuffs that are a little more difficult since they don't have the chain.

To have a set cuff, like with the sj records, would be better than just saying "use police cuffs" I think.

I'm still confused by the whole searching thing though.

Are you saying you can't use tools?

Or do you just have to be better at hiding them than the person doing the searching is at finding them?

I'm part of the "pick it in the open" brigade anyway, so I'm confused as to why you'd hide the tools used. Especially as the cuff escape is essentially a "fastest lock picking" type of thing anyway. And you wouldn't have a locksmith hide their tools.
Message: Posted by: DavidEscapes (Mar 7, 2007 09:22AM)
Hi Ros

You are right about the Guinness handcuff thing. I went through ages of talks with them to try and get that changed. Which resulted in the below.

You CAN use chain link SW's etc in any country. The rules now state that they have to be police cuffs in use. Not just police cuffs in use in the country where the attpemt is taking place. So, as long as they are provided and checked etc as per the rules the SW's are fine here, or anywhere.

The Guinness cuffs provision and checking rules are very good by the way. Provided by independant experts, serial numbers checked before and after every escape, EA has no prior contact with cuffs etc.
Message: Posted by: Stuart Burrell (Mar 7, 2007 02:33PM)
In reply to Chance, the Handcuffs used were Smith and Wesson type 100's from the collection of Chris Gower. The Handcuff serial numbers were 708862 and 748854. The package they came in was opened on the day and I had no prior contact to them. The handcuffs were examined by the audience and by a Prison Officer who confirmed that they were in working order.

Just to add to what David and Ross were discussing, the original rules were to just use Smith and Wesson type 100's but no specific method of escape was detailed to prevent the disclosure of method. After all, anyone can apply to be a record breaker. This changed when Guinness felt they wanted to make the record as open as possible.

There is a write up on the record in the 2006 Handcuff Mannual covering the physical aspect of it.

For those that have an interest, please use the following link http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/member/how_to_become_a_record_breaker.aspx

Thanks for your time.
Message: Posted by: Roslyn (Mar 8, 2007 04:38AM)
Cheers for clearing up the cuff thing.
I get it now :)
So, does anyone have a list of the current (as accepted by Guinness) records?
Take it easy,
Ros
Message: Posted by: Roslyn (Mar 8, 2007 05:58AM)
Sorry, another question.

Do they have to belong to a police officer, or just be in use?

For example, if I were to get a set of S&Ws direct from a handcuff suppliers would that count? Or would they have to belong to a police officer?

Thanks again,

Ros
Message: Posted by: Stuart Burrell (Mar 8, 2007 01:57PM)
Hi Ross, I've PM'd you on the second point.

From memory and I am happy to be corrected on this one. These are the GUINNESS records, not RHR. I have posted the person I think currently holds them but please don't take my word for it, ask Guinness as they have stopped writing to the record holders to tell them they no longer hold the record and don't have them all on the website to save bandwidth.

For handcuffs (official record names)

The number of police officers from whose handcuffs an individual has escaped. (Nick Janson)

The fastest time to escape from a single pair of police handcuffs (Matt The Knife)

The most police handcuffs escaped from in an hour. (Stuart Burrell)

The most police handcuffs escaped from in 24 hours (Vacant, created by SJB)

The fastest escape from a pair of police handcuffs underwater (Matt The Knife)

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For Straitjackets (these are not official names for the records)

Fastest StraitJacket Escape (David Straitjacket but put me right if I'm wrong)

Most escapes from a Straitjacket in 8 hours (James Peters)

Fastest Underwater Escape from a Straitjacket

Fastest Escape from a Straitjacket whilst on stilts (David Straitjacket, again I could be wrong)

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Fastest Escape from Manacles (King Stardog)

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Fastest Escape from chains underwater (Weasel Dandaw)

Again these are just from memory so please correct if wrong.

Thanks

Stu
Message: Posted by: Joe Marotta (Mar 27, 2007 10:26PM)
Hi Stu and Xtreem;

I received the video that Xtreem sent of Stu setting the current Guinness World Record for most police handcuffs escaped in one hour. Thank you both. Stu, that was incredible. You are a machine! I watched the entire tape and got a kick out of your humor and your conversations during the entire escape. You did a really great job Stu.

I've decided to "attempt" to beat your record this summer. GWR has accepted my request and I've started my training. You've set the record so high that I'm not sure that I can beat it Stu, but I'll give it my best shot.

For the local people in southern California, I'll let you know the exact date and time in case you want to attend. Tentative date is April 28th but I'm waiting on confirmation on the venue. I'll keep you posted.

Joe
Message: Posted by: DavidEscapes (Mar 28, 2007 05:29PM)
Hi Ros

Just add to your list. Ben Bradshaw has the fastest underwater SJ I think, and I have the fastest suspended SJ & chains while suspended.

Good luck with the attempt Joe :)

Take care

David
Message: Posted by: Stuart Burrell (Mar 31, 2007 07:00AM)
Good luck Joe and thank you for the kind words. I am glad the humour travelled.

Gods Speed on the 28th of April and I am sure you will set a new record as the better man always wins.

Stu