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Topic: Fantasy Magician
Message: Posted by: Dynamike (Feb 28, 2007 09:04PM)
I just ordered Fantasy Magician. Soon I will see what I have been missing.
Message: Posted by: frogstomper (Feb 28, 2007 10:08PM)
I saw the routine on Ken Scott's DVD. I'm not 100 percent convinced that it would be a winner. I'd be interested to know what other people think, who have actually tried it in a kids party.
Message: Posted by: shomemagic (Feb 28, 2007 10:29PM)
I believe I read somewhere Ken does this every show and has been for a long time and it is his signature piece and always gets great response!
Message: Posted by: Smarty Pants (Feb 28, 2007 10:36PM)
If this is the effect I am thinking of, why would one need to buy it from a dealer? Surely any seamstress would be able to make up one of these, and then it would be unique to the performer; or am I missing something?
Message: Posted by: TheAstonishingLarry (Feb 28, 2007 11:22PM)
I had the opposite reaction that Frogstomper had ... I saw it on Ken Scott's video and knew that it was perfect for my show. I feel it's a great piece of entertainment and a terrific photo opportunity. And it has huge potential for customization in simply how you present it ... which music you choose, what magic you perform, which comedy bits you include. I'm still working out my own routine, but I have this "prop" and it is a quality item.

Could I make one myself? Probably. But it would be hit or miss if I conveyed to the seamstress what I wanted exactly the first time. And now that I own Ken Scott's product I can say, "Yes, this is how I'd want it put together."

Regards,
Larry
Message: Posted by: dmagic (Mar 1, 2007 01:07AM)
The childrens talking about this magic ...
After evry show I ask "what magic faver for you"
80% sayd "fantasy magician"
10% sayd "bigger wands"
10% sayd "rabbit from box"

great props ...

Dudu
Message: Posted by: Dynamike (Mar 1, 2007 05:21AM)
One time I saw Pulk perform it. He got great applause. I have some touch-ups planned.
Message: Posted by: kenscott (Mar 1, 2007 09:35AM)
Yep it has been in my show since 96 with great success. It is the most requested routine in my show.

Ken
Message: Posted by: Skip Way (Mar 1, 2007 10:33AM)
I love it because it makes the Birthday Kid the star! It's a killer Photo Op for Mom & Dad. It ROCKS at Blue & Golds. I'm a Fantasy Magician fan! Local corporate class act, Tim Dumas, uses it in his corporate shows with the company execs with some outstanding adult humor & by-play built in.

As far as making your own...by the time you figure your way through the expense and time of trial and error you could have bought the durn thing ready to go.
Message: Posted by: magicmanfrank (Mar 1, 2007 11:05AM)
Where can one see a demo video of this performed?

=Frank=
Message: Posted by: Dynamike (Mar 1, 2007 11:52AM)
I heard it was on Youtube. I think Ken knows.

Those who use it, what tricks do you use?
Message: Posted by: magicmanfrank (Mar 1, 2007 11:58AM)
Hmmm.... I did a search for both Ken Scottt & Fantasy Magician and came up with NOTHING on YouTube.com
Message: Posted by: Dynamike (Mar 1, 2007 01:38PM)
Ken, would you please mention where it is located on YouTube with a different performer.
Message: Posted by: John C (Mar 1, 2007 01:43PM)
Definitely 100% a winner. I use it in a school show, private parties and birthdays. The moms want to email me the video of their kid.

Until you perform it you won't know how powerful it really is. I bought mine from Kevin James years ago and never used it until about a year ago.

John
Message: Posted by: kenscott (Mar 1, 2007 01:57PM)
The you tube video is not there anymore.

Ken
Message: Posted by: Billy Bo (Mar 1, 2007 02:17PM)
http://www.myspace.com/jasonjacobsmagic

Try this
Message: Posted by: Dynamike (Mar 1, 2007 05:18PM)
Yea, it starts half way thru the demo. A similiar version starts here in 7 minutes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeShkOWYSyQ
Message: Posted by: Julian Franklin (Mar 1, 2007 05:46PM)
This is, without a doubt, the single more talked about routine I do, with the possible exception of Steve Axtell's Magic Drawing Board. I agree that for what Ken charges, you would be penny wise and pound foolish to start cutting on a tuxedo to try and save $40 or $50 dollars. There is a lot more to it than just a slit down the back of a tux and Ken has done an incredible job of creating a product that will last through hudrends, and probably thousands of shows.

I just did it 5 times today at a school. I've performed it a total of about 500 times so far and it shows no meaningful wear other than it needs to be cleaned from time to time.

I can't recommend it highly enough.

--Julian Franklin
Message: Posted by: Spellbinder (Mar 2, 2007 08:36AM)
For those who feel uncomfortable with the idea of the magician coming into close physical contact with the child, an alternative (and one you can make yourself, Smartypants, or buy from inexpensive Halloween costume parts) is my Instant Wizard, from The Wizards' Journal #11. The effect as described is:

The Wizard has a talking hat, much like the “Sorting Hat” seen in the Harry Potter movies. The Wizard uses it to locate a helper who has some “wizard powers” and brings the child up to the stage (or the front). The Wizard congratulates the child on being a Wizard and tells him he is now in charge of finishing the rest of the magic show. With that, the Wizard puts the talking hat on a stool, goes into the audience and sits down to watch his new apprentice perform.

Most of the rest of the routine is done with you, the Wizard, sitting in the audience and the child following your spoken directions on the stage, so in this way, it is completely different from the “Instant Magician” or "Fantasy Magician," which is the topic of this thread.

Following your directions, the child wizard produces a magic robe to wear, a pair of glasses and a scar if you’re trying to achieve the entirely optional “Harry Potter look,” and a magic wand.

At this point, the article suggests some other magical effects using props you may already have or which you can purchase, that are completely self-working so the child can do them just by following your directions. Then a couple of special routines are included, once again easily made up inexpensively. You can read more about it on my site.
Message: Posted by: Spellbinder (Mar 6, 2007 01:08AM)
I just found a source for costumes for my version of "The Instant Wizard" mentioned above, as well as costumes that would work well in creating other little organized plays within your show.

http://smallmiracles.net/page3/page4/page11/page11.html

I found the actual individual costumes on sale at the local Rag Shop Craft Store.
Message: Posted by: Marvello (Mar 6, 2007 06:35AM)
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On 2007-03-02 09:36, Spellbinder wrote:
Most of the rest of the routine is done with you, the Wizard, sitting in the audience and the child following your spoken directions on the stage, so in this way, it is completely different from the “Instant Magician” or "Fantasy Magician," which is the topic of this thread.
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It sounds as if there is no real comparison between The Fantasy Magician and your routine that you are selling, so it makes me wonder why you are posting off-topic by mentioning it in this thread.
Message: Posted by: jondark445 (Mar 6, 2007 07:36AM)
Marvello:

I was wondering the same thing about Spellbinder myself. I was enjoying this thread, but it seems as though Spellbinder is trying to capitalize on those people who feel "uncomfortable" about performing Instant Magician....which, actually, no one expressed here....which was rather nice for once. And you're right...he clearly states that it is "completely different from the 'Instant Magician' or 'Fantasy Magician'" so why post here.

Also, what's the Café's policy on advertising. Wouldn't this be considered an advertisement for his product? I know others have spoken about Ken Scott's product, but Ken never actually pushes his product himself (see above). But Spellbinder seems to be pushing his own notes, which, if I'm not mistaken, is a no no in the Café....JR....JR....where are you, JR?

--Jon
Message: Posted by: Spellbinder (Mar 6, 2007 11:07AM)
I was actually responding to the observation of Smarty Pants about making this effect yourself. Since the "comfort level" of performers with this effect is stated elsewhere, I thought it good to mention that this version seems to solve the problem. It is not off topic to consider an alternate way to present an effect; even though the methods may be completely different, the effect, to the audience is similar.

The effect dates back to a comic bit of business by Frank Lane (1933) using a phonograph record, which he called "The Lazy Man Record", to give the instructions to a spectator who finds his selected card. It was made famous later as "The Lazy Magician" by Dante who would sit in a chair onstage, idly bemused while his assistant worked the trick. Then it was revived by Milbourne Christopher in 1961. Karrel Fox came up with his own version in the card trick "Sit on It."

In "Instant Magician" by Kevin James, the concept is combined with an old vaudeville comedy routine where one performer supplied the hands or feet for another performer and also combined with the "Costume Bag" trick which evolved from an Ali Bongo Blendo Bag effect. Ken Scott simply makes a more expensive version. Whether you choose to pay Ken Scott $210, or pay $160 for Kevin James' version, or make it yourself for $20 or less... those are options that readers of this thread should know about.

If you object to my posting on this forum to let readers know about these options, simply click on the link just above the post to report it.
Message: Posted by: kenscott (Mar 6, 2007 02:04PM)
I have never seen Kevins for 160.00 in fact I think it was 200.00.

I will say by the time you buy a real tux coat jacket, which mine is and a real tux shirt, bow tie, velcro, you will already have nearly 100.00 into before you even cut it up, if you buy a nice tux coat.

Enjoy,
Ken
Message: Posted by: magickid1 (Mar 6, 2007 02:25PM)
I bought this effect and tried it.
It sits in a bag now.
I am not trying to be mean here. Please listen to my reasoning. I'm trying to help.

I perform for children. That is 98% of my business. There are always a few adults around, but usually more kids than adults.

This routine (has some magic in it) but the whole jist of it is the comedy of a volunteer being turned into a magician. That's not really funny to kids. Typically it's difficult to get kids to react to a magic trick that another kid performs. Have you ever really watched a kid watching another kid do magic? The reactions are very limited. But when YOU (the adult) has a wand that keeps rising when your not looking, or a drawing that starts talking to you, that's great stuff! Kid's don't respect other kids (for the most part) in a performance. I followed the directions to a tea on this one and my kids seemed bored. They didn't laugh at all. I figured I was wasting precious time on this one.

However, it's a very comical routine for adults! If you perform for adult shows...this one is a must-have! It crazy to see a balding fat guy brought up and have this magic happen and all the little hand signs and wiping of the forehead, and the "raise the roof" signal and all. Great stuff for that environnment.

Dynamike, I think you'll find there are a lot of other more age-appropriate items for you to check out.
Message: Posted by: Lyndel (Mar 6, 2007 02:37PM)
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On 2007-03-06 15:25, magickid1 wrote:
I bought this effect and tried it.
It sits in a bag now.
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You're right Magickid1... This routine doesn't work at all! Kids hate it! It's worthless! Which brings me to my next point; You don't need it sitting around taking up space and cluttering your magic drawer!

What do you say you send me that ole bag full of tux and I'll get rid of it for you. You'll never have to look at it again! I'll even pay postage...

:bwink:
Lyndel
Message: Posted by: kenscott (Mar 6, 2007 03:22PM)
[quote]
On 2007-03-06 15:25, magickid1 wrote:

however, it's a very comical routine for adults! If you perform for adult shows...this one is a must-have! It crazy to see a balding fat guy brought up and have this magic happen and all the little hand signs and wiping of the forehead, and the "raise the roof" signal and all. Great stuff for that environnment.
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magickid1 you just named my whole act. What environment are you talking about? Adults only show?? I will say for me it is the routine that parents at these kid parties talk about the most. Hey it works for me. I am 100% sure it will not work for everyone.

Ken
Ken
Message: Posted by: Spellbinder (Mar 6, 2007 04:26PM)
My mistake - it's $162 plus postage.

http://www.fabmagic.com/Products/ChildrenMagic/instantmagician.htm
Message: Posted by: kenscott (Mar 6, 2007 04:59PM)
WOW! That is cheaper than Kevin is selling his for.

I will say since making these since 2001 Oct. We have made a total of 387 suits. I know what goes into making my tuxes. If I could I would sell them for a lot more because I know they are worth it.

Thanks!
Ken
Message: Posted by: magickid1 (Mar 6, 2007 07:19PM)
[quote]
On 2007-03-06 16:22, kenscott wrote:
I will say for me it is the routine that parents at these kid parties talk about the most...
Ken
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Exactly Ken, that's exactly what I said. The adults love it! If I am doing a show to impress the adults, I'll perform it. If my main audience is the kids (as it usually is) I just don't think it's good enough for them, I could be doing something with more punch.

So, I highly recommend it in one regard. And not in another. I hope it's clearer what I was saying. No need for sarcasm Lyndel, I was trying to help Dynamike out.
Message: Posted by: Lyndel (Mar 6, 2007 08:39PM)
No sarcasm here buddy! Just trying to get a deal on a great prop! :D

No worries!



Lyndel
Message: Posted by: MDS (Mar 13, 2007 01:05AM)
I have been performing Fantasy Magician in my childrens and adult shows since 1999. I perform roughly 275-300 shows per year and everyone loves this routine. I am currently on my 3rd suit and 9th re-edit of the music. I love it!!!!

MDS
Message: Posted by: esther_scheffer (Mar 13, 2007 06:33AM)
Magickit1,
I can understand what you say for an audiance of younger kids only.
But what is your opinion on an audience of 9-12 (or 10-14?) year old kids ?
I think (by seeing it, I do not own it (yet?) and never performed it myself) this age group would love it. What do you (+ others) think?
Message: Posted by: Gerto (Mar 13, 2007 07:20AM)
Just wondering what you all think about doing this with one of the parents at a birthday's show?

Would this work?

Gerto
Message: Posted by: kenscott (Mar 13, 2007 08:39AM)
I do this all in every birthday show with most of the time the dad.

Ken
Message: Posted by: MDS (Mar 15, 2007 02:41AM)
If at all possible, I use an adult for this routine for a few reasons. First and foremost they are generally much more cooperative. Second they are generally taller and overall it is easier. Third, I have always been a little leery when using a kid. That’s not saying that I don't, because I still do use kids. If you use the birthday childs dad it gets an even better reaction than with the birthday child.

Also I found a collapsible 7 or 8" step at Bed, Bath and Beyond for like $10.00. I keep this backstage or in my table just incase I have a really short Birthday Child or I am generally really good at it, but I will admit there have been a few times that I have really misjudged the height of the volunteer while they are sitting down and they got on stage and were like a foot and a half shorter than me. Sometimes they are short enough to kneel, and sometimes they are tall enough to stand, but every once in a while they are right in between the two heights. This step has saved me in the past, I have even picked someone too tall and stood on it myself! Hopefully it helps!

MDS
Message: Posted by: kenscott (Mar 16, 2007 09:37AM)
I would say IMPO that having the kid stand on something is much better than kneeling down. I just don't like the way it looks when the perfomer is on their knees.

Ken
Message: Posted by: MDS (Mar 17, 2007 12:57PM)
I agree 100% Ken!!!!
Message: Posted by: TheAmbitiousCard (May 9, 2007 03:12AM)
What kind of box are you having them stand on?
Message: Posted by: kenscott (May 9, 2007 06:15AM)
I use a case that I got from Sammy smith. It is retangle shape and stand about 14inches wide about

Ken
Message: Posted by: itsmagic (May 9, 2007 11:36AM)
How do you transport the Fantasy Magician costume so it doesn't wrinkle?
Message: Posted by: TheAmbitiousCard (May 9, 2007 12:11PM)
Do you keep all the props (and tux?) in the box handy just for that effect?
Message: Posted by: kenscott (May 9, 2007 12:47PM)
It is just rolled up in my table. does not wrinkle that much really.

ken
Message: Posted by: John C (May 9, 2007 02:13PM)
I use a chair. There's typically one at each event. I fold the suit up and place it in my case with the pockets loaded.

J
Message: Posted by: TheAmbitiousCard (May 9, 2007 05:28PM)
Am I correct that we all need to find music, and get some software that allows us to splice bits of songs together into one long song?
Message: Posted by: Dennis Michael (May 10, 2007 02:50AM)
Frank...Yes
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (May 10, 2007 09:30AM)
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On 2007-03-06 21:39, Lyndel wrote:
No sarcasm here buddy! Just trying to get a deal on a great prop! :D

No worries!



Lyndel
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Wouldn't size be important here? It won't be that great a deal if he's a 36 long and you're a 42 short, or vice versa! :)
Message: Posted by: TheAmbitiousCard (May 10, 2007 10:18AM)
That's what I thought. Well, while I'm waiting for ken to start sewing, I'm gathering my ideas.
Message: Posted by: kenscott (May 10, 2007 11:03AM)
Jacket is really not a big deal as long it is a 42 or larger. You are going to wrap it around someone it does not have to fit perfect by no means.

Ken
Message: Posted by: amazingvijay (May 10, 2007 05:22PM)
Is there an online video demo for this? I have seen some assorted performers but I wondering if there was an offical demo.

Vijay
Message: Posted by: Dynamike (May 11, 2007 04:12PM)
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On 2007-05-09 04:12, Frank Starsini wrote:
What kind of box are you having them stand on?
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I use a stepstool ladder similair to this: http://www.smarter.com/stats_new/scripts/redir.php?offerid=7186178&mercount=1&bidpos=0&sortby=&displaypos=0&pricerank=0&raterank=0&clickarea=45&rdtype=0&chid=32 It is easy to pack because it folds. It also prevents any contact.
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (May 12, 2007 09:32AM)
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On 2007-05-10 12:03, kenscott wrote:
Jacket is really not a big deal as long it is a 42 or larger. You are going to wrap it around someone it does not have to fit perfect by no means.

Ken
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Ah, my bad. I thought <you> would be wearing the coat.