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Topic: Tenkai Question..
Message: Posted by: Abacus (Feb 1, 2002 06:05AM)
Not to sure where to post this but...

Where did the Tenkai palm get it's name? Just wondering about the history? Also, what's the deal with the Gooshman pinch and the Tenkai Pinch? They are the same move (I think) so why the two names?? Just looking for a bit of a history lesson..

Message: Posted by: Burt Yaroch (Feb 1, 2002 10:32AM)
The name for the Tenkai palm was taken directly from it's creator, Japanese magician Bob Tenkai, as was the Tenkai Pinch. Albert Goshman popularized the move (the pinch not the palm) and his name just kinda stuck there, despite his constant reassurances that he learned Tenkai's move from Ed Balducci.

The modern version of the Goshman pinch (which can be seen on Jay Sankey's videos) differs from the Tenkai version in the way the hand moves to enter the pinch. Jay credits Scotty York for this contemporary
handling of the "Goshman Pinch". Clear as mud, eh?

Good golly I'm spewing magical lore. What has happened to me? (I'm sure Andi Gladwin will be along momentarily to correct any oversight I may have made, the little punk.)
Message: Posted by: Burt Yaroch (Feb 1, 2002 10:36AM)
By the way, I was just joking about the Tenkai's first name being Bob. It's not Bob.

It's Dave. :nod:
Message: Posted by: Abacus (Feb 1, 2002 08:13PM)
Hey, thanks!!!!

Learn something new...

Message: Posted by: Brian Proctor (Feb 8, 2002 12:24AM)
Honestly, it comes from tenkai-land. A happy place where all things are between thumb and palm. :sun:
Message: Posted by: Abacus (Feb 12, 2002 04:39AM)
While we're on it, any tips for the Tenkai Card Palm. Position, but mostly the angles???
(good, bad and the ugly)
Message: Posted by: Dan Watkins (Feb 14, 2002 11:07AM)
For those who care to know, Tenkai's first name is Ishida.

As for Tenkai palming of cards or jumbo coins, the only good angles are when people are in front of you and the back of the hand always faces toward the spectators.

If you get spectators off to your sides your angles are shot.
Message: Posted by: Burt Yaroch (Feb 14, 2002 01:26PM)
It's a little known fact that Ishida is actually the Japanese derivative of Bob.

It's true. :nod:
Message: Posted by: Jeb Sherrill (Feb 20, 2002 06:06PM)
This is true actually. In Japanese, Robert is Ishidaranoisanda. Ishida, of course being Bob.

:dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance:
Message: Posted by: Burt Yaroch (Feb 20, 2002 06:52PM)
I knew that.

Message: Posted by: Scott F. Guinn (Feb 21, 2002 01:48AM)
Reminds me of the old story of Ten Ichi, and his student, Eleven Ichi...
Message: Posted by: Scott O. (Feb 21, 2002 11:13AM)
And then there's that great Chinese magician from Peking. His name was Tom . . . also known as --(yes)-- Peking Tom.
Message: Posted by: Geoff Williams (Feb 21, 2002 11:18AM)
Don't forget "Fu Ling Yu."

Message: Posted by: AndiGladwin (Apr 30, 2002 05:43AM)
On 2002-02-01 11:32, yakandjak wrote:
(I'm sure Andi Gladwin will be along momentarily to correct any oversight I may have made, the little punk.)

Sorry I'm jumping in late here! Everything seems present and correct ;) (j/k).

One thing though, Tenkai's full name was not Ishida Tenkai, but actually Tenkai Ishida. A subtle, but important difference! I'm also pretty sure that the palm was originally published in the card section of John Northern Hilliard's Greater Magic.

Message: Posted by: Steve Friedberg (Apr 30, 2002 05:56AM)
hmmmm...what's the Japanese derivation of "Yakandjak?" It can't be "Bob..." maybe "Bobo?" :dancing: