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Topic: YouTube Bizarre
Message: Posted by: How_Soon_Is_Now (Mar 6, 2007 03:35AM)
Hi guys,

Do any of you have a bizarre effect posted on YouTube ?

I'd love to see your presentations, ones where you interact with spectators would be even better.

Doug Byrd - Many moons ago, in the MagicTalk forum, there was talk about creating a compilation video of bizarre presentations by forum participants (following the success of the forun's "regular" magic compilation video). Did this come through ?

Eli
Message: Posted by: Gede Nibo (Mar 6, 2007 05:06AM)
One of the B E S T Bizarrist's I've ever seen. prepare to be blown away.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xahpWSc8ecM&mode=user&search=


He has many more spectacular video demos as well. I hope he makes a DVD, or writes a book....
Message: Posted by: gsidhe (Mar 6, 2007 07:56AM)
Well...At the very least...He was pretty scary.
Sorry Eli, No vids up of my Bizarrist stuff up anywhere. Hopefully there will be soon.
Honestly, I haven't run accross many videos in the genre.
Next time I come accross one, I'll let you know.
Gwyd
Message: Posted by: Rev.moonchild (Mar 6, 2007 02:21PM)
Are you kinding me .. Am I looking at the right video .. He needs to get a thumb tip 101 book .
Message: Posted by: Gede Nibo (Mar 6, 2007 02:34PM)
HE ROCKS!!!!!
Message: Posted by: Dr Spektor (Mar 6, 2007 02:48PM)
He like Sysiphus's rock
Message: Posted by: dr chutney (Mar 6, 2007 02:55PM)
All I get is static on the sound track. Was that it? OK.

I've been hanging around internet marketing forums and the buzz is Web 2.0, which is basically sites like YouTube and MySpace. There's a huge potential to market yourself or your web site, but you need to get the video right. One ebook I read mentioned Shock, Sex, Cute and Funny as the four topics that are most sought after.

With the bizarre in mind, one really shocking Vid and you could get a healthy audience. Leave them wanting more and give them more on your site. Make sure your web address is on the video somewhere. Nothing to do with magic but I love the FunTwo guitar version of Pachebel's Canon. That Korean guy had over 9,000,000 views last I saw. Is that an audience or what!
Message: Posted by: Michael Midnight (Mar 6, 2007 04:49PM)
Thanks, Baba. I needed a good laugh. You set me up for that one!
Message: Posted by: Mystician (Mar 6, 2007 04:53PM)
[quote]
On 2007-03-06 15:21, Rev.moonchild wrote:
Are you kinding me .. Am I looking at the right video .. He needs to get a thumb tip 101 book .
[/quote]

LOL !!! OMG, I've never seen anyone so [i]blatant[/i] with a TT before !!
Does this guy think all people are legally blind or what ? I love his classic "claw" pose too, oooh, that'll fool 'em...
Why doesn't he just go the full nine yards of exposure and get himself a d**k tip while he's at it ? lol! *quack* ?

Nice find, Baba.. ;) I didn't hear any of the audio, so I don't know what the presentation was, but.. you were kidding, right ?
Message: Posted by: Gede Nibo (Mar 6, 2007 05:03PM)
HE IS THE NEW ST. GEORGE--my teacher.
Message: Posted by: Bill Ligon (Mar 6, 2007 07:07PM)
My crummy li'l replacement computer won't let me watch the video past the claw, but I think the bill on the knuckles is a very natural (?) gesture. Baba, you should learn much from yout new teacher. ;)

Bill
Message: Posted by: Eddie Garland (Mar 6, 2007 07:29PM)
Just don't start dressing like him Baba.
Message: Posted by: dr chutney (Mar 7, 2007 05:06AM)
Nine million views? I'm only seven million out!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjA5faZF1A8

Could anyone ever dream they could reach a worldwide audience of that magnitude playing guitar in their bedroom.

Whatever magic you're into I guess the web can get your name out there. Have you got a bizarre piece to show the world?
Message: Posted by: Gede Nibo (Mar 7, 2007 06:40AM)
Who is this guy? A YOUTUBE commercial?
Message: Posted by: dr chutney (Mar 7, 2007 07:13AM)
I didn't start the thread, I'm only pointing out a new phase in the way we view entertainment. If you're not into that then no problem.

Perhaps you prefer this type of bizarre magic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYYalx0S8x4
Message: Posted by: How_Soon_Is_Now (Mar 7, 2007 07:46AM)
All,

This is rather shamefull.

I started this thread expecting to see some real performances from you.

After all, bizarre magic is mainly about performance with the actual effect taking secondary place.

Where then are all the bizarre PERFORMERS out there ?

I expected more from the group than silly videos and adolescent humor.
Message: Posted by: kaytracy (Mar 7, 2007 08:59AM)
I think that the effort needed to tape a good bizarre presentation is well beyond most of what the utubers out there produce. A single camera won't do it, not easily. Also you miss a lot of the additional things that go into a bizarre performance. With utube, you get at best two of the senses involved. In live work, I try to use at least 4 if not the 5th (or 6th).
Additionaly, the attention span of most tubers these days does not lend itself to things much longer than 20-30 seconds without some measure of personal involvement.

My drawing a line around my hand ona bit of paper is far different from the care I take in making sure the lighting is low and people are relaxed and ready. In opening the Sumi set box, the subtle sound of the grinding the ink on the stone mixing the ink with a drop of water as I explain about things known as sympathetic magic;lighting the incense stick and having that scent stimulation; having the helper select a piece of clean white rice paper from the roll; having the helper trace the line around my hand with the brush and ink, while they think of a single finger on my hand. Having them carefully hold the inked finger of the paper over the stick to singe it, just a little (most actually burn a hole) and watch them jump back as I cry out, showing my hand, and the blister.
five minutes for the blister trick? Yes. And they jump and scream concerned that they have truly injured me. Utube? maybe. I will see what I can do, though it might be a while before I can get it done.
k
Message: Posted by: How_Soon_Is_Now (Mar 7, 2007 10:28AM)
Hi Kay,

Thank you for your answer.

You are refereeing to what "utubers produce", or "the attention span of most tubers". But it's not about what the regular users or viewers of YouTube expect to see in a YouTube video - it's about the people in this forum displaying their work for others to learn/appreciate and if acceptable also critique (in a positive manner).

You don't need the lighting in your video to be perfect as in a Hollywood film to convey the feeling of your presentation, and I think you can do wonders with a single (even stationary) camera.

Personally, I was drooling while reading your blister presentation, I'd love to see that five minute video when you get to film it.

P.S.
BizarreMagick is a great site.
Message: Posted by: Gede Nibo (Mar 7, 2007 10:48AM)
Baba is too ancient to be called adolescent. I don't care who YOU are, that $H!T was funny....
Message: Posted by: Paul Jester (Mar 8, 2007 03:58PM)
Personally I think that Bizarre is often too personnal an experience for the audience to carry over video. It doesn't mean anything to someone watching it compared to the people it is being performed with.

Paul
Message: Posted by: Gede Nibo (Mar 8, 2007 04:04PM)
I concur. good point. most bizarre ive seen on 'stage' just looked, well, not bizarre...not to say it cant be done (and is by a few good mage I know here)...but I'd rather do that "meet me at crossroads at 6 o'clock" kinda bizarre.

when I do shows, the smaller the better--then I bust out the artifacts...but when I'm doing a bigger show as per a school etc., I tend to lean toward mentalism, but with some vodou patter here and there.....I think Docc Hilford has a similar approach, from what Ive seen him do personally...minus the vodou patter though ;)

Baba
Message: Posted by: JAlenS (Mar 9, 2007 12:33AM)
Hey HSIN. What's the bizarre scene like in Israel?

On another note, every time I google bizarre magic Brian Brushwood info always pops up first. Maybe he's good but there's NO WAY a Brian Brushwood action figure can beat up a David Blain action figure. I mean...there's just no way! ;)
Message: Posted by: The Curator (Mar 9, 2007 12:38AM)
Still one of my favorites: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eULF6Jw0bU4
Message: Posted by: Mystician (Mar 9, 2007 01:06PM)
I agree also, Bizarre is so much about the ambiance, the mood, the smells, as well as the sounds and visuals, that a lot of it will not translate well into the video medium. It's very much a "Guess you had to be there" kind of experience, as opposed to more straightforward magic.

How_Soon_Is_Now, if I may suggest, you are taking yourself (and this genre)a little bit [i]too[/i] seriously. The best and brightest in here have very liberal senses of humor, it's a sign of intelligence, actually.(look at Dolphins !)
You can keep a stiff upper lip if you want, but you'll just look like another shrunken head around here to us if you do. ;)
The time to be [i]deadly[/i] serious is when performing; but here in the forum, we're not fooling anyone - we're all magicians.
Have fun.
Message: Posted by: Mystician (Mar 9, 2007 01:16PM)
[quote]

My drawing a line around my hand ona bit of paper is far different from the care I take in making sure the lighting is low and people are relaxed and ready. In opening the Sumi set box, the subtle sound of the grinding the ink on the stone mixing the ink with a drop of water as I explain about things known as sympathetic magic;lighting the incense stick and having that scent stimulation; having the helper select a piece of clean white rice paper from the roll; having the helper trace the line around my hand with the brush and ink, while they think of a single finger on my hand. Having them carefully hold the inked finger of the paper over the stick to singe it, just a little (most actually burn a hole) and watch them jump back as I cry out, showing my hand, and the blister.
five minutes for the blister trick? Yes. And they jump and scream concerned that they have truly injured me. Utube? maybe. I will see what I can do, though it might be a while before I can get it done.
k
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Beautifully done, Kay ! I think the blister effect is well worth 5 minutes if not more! That's [i]powerful[/i] stuff, after all. You do it justice.

Being one of my favorite effects, I'm always on the lookout for the perfect, concealable, most innocent looking blistermaker possible. (To make up for my lack of sleights and handling of course) I know several that exist, such as k**s, but I'm always on the lookout for the better mousetrap - you know me .. :bg:

BTW, if you're not squeamish, have you thought of pricking your finger (any finger) with a pin to draw a drop of blood to add to the ink ? That would certainly lend crediblity to the sympathetic magick aspect, where the ink drawn hand outline becomes even more connected to your real hand. It doesn't really hurt that much.. just keep the pin sterile, though.

(Sorry for going offtopic)
Message: Posted by: kaytracy (Mar 9, 2007 02:55PM)
I find that the Sumi set has all that I need. Most come with a small brass spoon dipper for the water used in mixing the ink. Mine is "just right" for working with on this. There is a backup item in the set that I have modified to use if needed.
The whole set, and tube of rice paper is on the table. Examinable.
Hmmm, I like the idea of the drop of blood, but I might keep that in reserve explaining it as part of the "full" effect, rather than the "simple demonstration"

<Though if you went the really dark route- you would use the blood, have a confederate nearby scream in pain as a large flash occurred, they of course must run from the room as if on fire....>
k
Message: Posted by: How_Soon_Is_Now (Mar 10, 2007 02:47AM)
[quote]
On 2007-03-09 14:06, Mystician wrote:
How_Soon_Is_Now, if I may suggest, you are taking yourself (and this genre)a little bit [i]too[/i] seriously. The best and brightest in here have very liberal senses of humor, it's a sign of intelligence, actually.(look at Dolphins !)
...
The time to be [i]deadly[/i] serious is when performing; but here in the forum, we're not fooling anyone - we're all magicians.
Have fun.
[/quote]

Not taking things too seriously, that's what it's all about !
It's those who claim that an effect "doesn't translate well into the video medium" who are taking things too seriously. We, in this forum (contrary to the lay persons), can take a video taped performance with the needed grain of salt.

I realize the exact spectator feeling of an effect won't be passed in a video recording but there's still a lot we can learn from and discuss from sharing such videos (Relating to spectators, Storytelling, Use of music, How to handle moving between the end of one effect to the start of the another).

I have read many wonderful bizarre effect descriptions here, I would like to see the actual performances. I am sure that in this forum, even if the video outcome doesn't match the exact feelings of the spectators you will gain a lot of constructive feedback and help many others.

So, grab your video recorder, get your wife/girlfriend/buddy as a spectator (or even tape a real performance) and post it on the web.
Message: Posted by: Destiny (Mar 10, 2007 04:36AM)
As you're so keen H_S_I_N perhaps you could set an example - and be the first.

I, at least, look forward to your contribution.

Destiny
Message: Posted by: How_Soon_Is_Now (Mar 10, 2007 07:27AM)
Hi Destiny,

I have yet to put on a bizarre performance. I am admiringly a mere novice at this branch of magic. This is one of the reasons I'm asking the more active and experienced bizarre performers here to tape an effect or two.

There are notions which you just can't get from reading a book (I mentioned some above). The best would have been to have a mentor. Without that, I find that that seeing other performers' work helps a lot.

If you took my original post as a challenge then I have been misunderstood. Instead, it's a request for assistance from my fellow forum members.

Eli
Message: Posted by: kaytracy (Mar 10, 2007 10:24AM)
I will suggest a couple of tapes that are commercially available as a fill in while we gather the dark forces of magnetic particles required...

Flora & Co. "Tony Andruzzi Bizarre"
DVD now- Eugene Burger "Eugene goes Bizarre"

Remember though, not all the Bizarre stuff is dark. Some is more fun, in a twisted way, and some is rather enigmatic- leaving the watcher confused and wondering what just happened! Some is even a bit uplifting, as can be read in some of the works on the Dragonskull website.
k
Message: Posted by: The Curator (Mar 10, 2007 11:04AM)
I strongly recommand anything "Ricky Jay" you can find.
You'll understand what acting have to do with magic.
Message: Posted by: Dr. Eamon (Mar 18, 2007 03:22PM)
A magicians nightmare:


WARNING! Terrifying video material, for educational purpose only!

This is not funny: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNdCcvY2Ti4



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