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Topic: CloudBusting: The inside Secrets
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Mar 9, 2007 10:31AM)
Jerome Finley and I will be jointly releasing a book this summer called CloudBusting: The Inside Secrets.

I found out that Jerome had come up with many of the techniques I used when performing as Jason Micheals. Those who have the Al Mann Book, will recall the newspaper article on the front cover detailing me doing this.

Anyhow Jerome has some EXCELLENT ideas on this subject, including some I hadn't thought of. We decided to put our knowledge together and release the only book written on the subject. NOTHING will be left out. This will be an actual book not a PDF file.

It will explain ALL known techniques for doing Effect with Clouds. Including impromptu methods suitable for street performers and festival performers. Plus more advance methods that use equipment to create the effect. Something for everyone.

The book will teach you how to:

CAUSE A CLOUD TO VANISH FROM THE SKY. It will also show you methods where the person chooses the cloud (no magician's force)and that cloud and ONLY that cloud vanishes. The others remain intact.

CLOUD MATERALIZATION --psychic points to an empty space in the sky and causes a cloud to suddenly form.

BLUE SKY--psychic causes ALL the clouds to vanish leaving a blue sky, I've gotten mentioned in the newspapers for doing this.

Cloud Moving--How to make clouds Move
Cloud Sculpture--change the shape of clouds into objects

Bascom Jones, and Al Mann hinted of methods using an assistant. This book will reveal how to build such a working device in your backyard that will actually make clouds appear or disappear using scientific principles. Your secret assistant blocks away can cause clouds to appear or vanish using this device.

How to get publicity and fame doing this. Jerome has an excellent treatise on the build-up and how to really create a dual reality of what you are doing.

NO VAGUE DESCRIPTIONS..NO PIPE DREAMS Actual working methods used by both of us over the years. After reading this book you will be able to go out and do this.

Available sometime this summer. We are still both working on our parts.

Will also include some background history on Cloud busting/Melting.

Devin Knight
Message: Posted by: Y2John (Mar 9, 2007 11:05AM)
Sounds very interesting. Which effects are impromptu?
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Mar 9, 2007 11:14AM)
ALL OF THEM can be done impromptu. You don't need to build a device, that is just explained as another method for making HUGE, HUGE cloud formation to appear from nowhere.
Message: Posted by: harishjose (Mar 9, 2007 11:26AM)
Wow. I am excited about this. :)

Devin seems to be an honest guy, from what I have read here. Cant wait.
Message: Posted by: Y2John (Mar 9, 2007 11:49AM)
Wow, then this seems like its a must have for me. Thanks.
Message: Posted by: LWright (Mar 9, 2007 12:32PM)
Rough pricing ?

Sounds very cool.
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Mar 9, 2007 01:59PM)
Not sure as we may include a DVD with the book demonstrating the effects. I'm currently planning on making this a book/dvd combo. That is one reason I'm posting here. We are trying to get a gauge of how much interest is in this book. That will determine how many copies are printed. I can assure you that this will NOT exceed $40 tops if we include a DVD. We're looking at something in the 25 to 40 range. Nothing in stone yet. Just testing the waters so the speak. We still don't know how big the book will be as we are still writing, but with Jerome and I at the present we are past 70 pages already and more to come.
Message: Posted by: gitty (Mar 9, 2007 03:07PM)
That sounds really cool!
Something total different in magic!
Can't wait to buy it!!!!!
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Mar 9, 2007 03:14PM)
Not exactly new, Cloud Busting has been around hundreds of years, it just basically has never been put in print the techniques. The secrets have been jealously guarded and passed on the a chosen few or discovered by people such as Jerome and myself. I've guarded these secrets for years and only now am releasing them since Jerome was thinking of releasing his secrets, which were the same as mind basically.
Message: Posted by: Tony Iacoviello (Mar 9, 2007 03:41PM)
?

I'll purchase your product, but where did you get "it just basically has never been put in print the techniques. The secrets have been jealously guarded and passed on the a chosen few or discovered by people such as Jerome and myself."?

It has been published and passed on to anyone who has an interest in it.

I don't mind, hype, infact, I enjoy it, but come on... :)

Tony
Message: Posted by: DerekMerdinyan (Mar 9, 2007 04:00PM)
I really don't want to sound like I'm trying to derail this, but I think it's illegal to give people drugs - not to mention the ethical questions of taking advantage of people in that condition.

Ya, ok, this sounds great!

Derek Merdinyan
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Mar 9, 2007 04:10PM)
Tony,
I realize Bascom Jones, Mann and few others mentioned this, but we are releasing some techniques THAT HAVEN'T appeared in print. We've also got some dual reality concepts that I think have never appeared in print. I'm also not aware of anyone using my BLUE SKY Technique. I think I was the first to do this and get publicity for it. Few people have even thought of this. We are not trying to hype this book, just release every known technique plus some that we haven't told others about.

Some of these secrets I have never told anyone or shared the methods with. Mann and Jones visualized a device for doing this, but never explained how you could make such a device. Our book will explain how to do this.

Jerome Finley has developed some of the best scripting and psychology that I have ever run across in the field. His thoughts on creating a dual reality so the spectators think they saw a greater miracle than they did is invaluable to anyone wanting to do this work. That is why I wanted to do a joint book with him. To quote him from his work:
“Cloud Melting” as I do it is completely impromptu, uses no props other than yourself and the Forces of Nature, intelligent scripting, the best of spectator psychology and suggestion, and a few little extra’s that will have you bending the weather at your will.

Regards,
Devin
Message: Posted by: Tony Iacoviello (Mar 9, 2007 06:04PM)
Thank you, I will be one of your first customers.

As I have said in other posts concerning cloud busting, I've been interested in it since childhood and have been performing it since my teenage years. Anything that I can learn to make the effect better and improve the impact is greatly appreciated.

Tony
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Mar 9, 2007 06:18PM)
I...love you magicbuilder. If these are what they say they are...I'll wuv you.
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Mar 9, 2007 06:23PM)
:love:
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Mar 9, 2007 06:37PM)
Hmmm this is giving me an idea for...Cloudbusting + Rainmaker
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Mar 9, 2007 06:39PM)
Sorry Blindside ALREADY IN THE BOOK with Peter's permission. Plus we teach you the proper way to do it for best effect. This was the first thing I did once I got Rainmaker, you get my routine and misdirection on how to use this.
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Mar 9, 2007 06:49PM)
Wow, lol your way ahead of me. :P
Message: Posted by: Jeff J. (Mar 9, 2007 09:24PM)
Devin, do any of these cloud moving effects happen to use an EXTREMELY long piece of invisible thread? :)
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (Mar 9, 2007 09:59PM)
This is an exciting project, and one that I am happy to share with Devin. The finished product will be an excellent one!

If all goes as planned, we will be having our own Joshua Quinn (creator of "Ascension" and "Conjunction") overseeing the editing, proof reading and also making sure that our instructions are crystal clear. If you are familiar with Joshua's work, you know what attention to detail this man provides.

Also, my good friend Enrique Enriquez is set to write the forward, and for that, I could not be more grateful. Enrique is one of very few that have seen the full manuscript I wrote back in 99-2000.

It's my honor to pair up with Devin to bring the community what I feel is one of the most powerful and convincing demonstrations that a magician or mentalist can perform. Cloud busting, done correctly, is hard to beat and remains with a person long after the fact.

Thanks to Devin for his continued guidance and inspiration, and to our friends and fellows who can give this type of material the home it deserves.

Kind regards,
Jerome Finley.
Message: Posted by: BrandonWilliams (Mar 9, 2007 11:08PM)
This sounds like it may be a great release, and so begins the waiting...
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Mar 10, 2007 12:49AM)
Hahah, now I thought about moving/disappearing/appearing/clearing/skulpting clouds when I was watching 300. I'm so excited for this. I have high hopes for this. All I care about now is...is it practical? easy? can be done anywhere, anytime? be done with thousands of spectators around you?

If yes to all of these, then we got ourselves a trick of the year :)
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (Mar 10, 2007 01:34AM)
Blindside,

Practical? Yes, absolutely.

Anytime, anywhere? As long as there are clouds.

Surrounded by thousands? You betcha.

Regards,
Jerome.
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Mar 10, 2007 01:50AM)
Congrats you won yourself over a costumer :)
Message: Posted by: Y2John (Mar 10, 2007 05:56AM)
This is sounding unbelievable.
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Mar 10, 2007 06:17AM)
Imagine a playing card, name or word appearing in the clouds. Intrigued? Jerome covers his techniques for this. He actually does this and I will be adding my thoughts to his ideas. This book is going beyond just cloud busting with other effects you do with the clouds.

Not just for street magicians, but for festival and fair performers. Imagine having someone select a card, then look up into sky and see a cloud formation revealing that card! Talk about people screaming, can you imagine the effect this would have? We tell you how to do it.

Many of these effects will be suitable when you are having your backyard cookout and some friends are over. If the conditions are right you are set to do miracles that will seem totally impossible. If not you don't do the effect. Besides you haven't told them you were going to do anything.

No Clouds in the sky? No problem I will teach you an effect that is stunning without any clouds and has gotten me press coverage. It's a BOLD idea that both Jerome and I both thought up in the past.
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Mar 10, 2007 11:08AM)
Sometime this weekend I will upload a picture of a playing card image in the sky. This is used to reveal a card they just selected.This looks pretty amazing to a spectator, to see the card they selected revealed by the clouds. Stay tuned. You could start a religion with some of this stuff.

Devin
Message: Posted by: Y2John (Mar 10, 2007 11:25AM)
This is sounding more and more amazing!
This is going on my list of must haves.
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Mar 10, 2007 11:38AM)
OK folks here you go, the promised photo. Others will be in the book. Let's say you go up to someone on the street and have them select a card. Let's assume the card is the Ace of Diamonds. They don't tell you the name but hold on to the card. You tell them you are getting an image of a red diamond card. You now state you will try to use the clouds to reveal the card they thought of. You concentrate and start sweating and them invite them to look upward and this is what they see!
http://users.zoominternet.net/~devin/aceh.jpg

Notice the very visible A for ace. Beside of it you point out is the small diamond. Look on the right side of the A and you see the small diamond shape. Can you imagine the effect this would have on a lay person who has just removed a card from the deck and suddenly the image of their card is in the sky.

Your street magic just got raised to a higher level! (Pun intended) Enjoy.

Yes this is done totally impromptu without the need for lasers, heat sources or secret assistants.

In the book we also show the 3 of Diamonds as another example. So guys, this isn't pipe dreams. Jerome and I actually do the cloud revelation. You can too.

Devin
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Mar 10, 2007 11:53AM)
People have PM and asked me more about Cloud Sculpture. This is where you change the shape of clouds into something people would recognize. Something I like to do and explain in the book is to have some animal cards. Great if working for young kids. Have them select an animal, you concentrate and cause a cloud to shape itself into that animal. The person doesn't tell the animal or show you the card, you cause the cloud to change shape into an animal, then they show that is the very animal they were thinking of.
Let's say the person chose a duck. Ok here is Cloud Sculpture of a waddling duck:
http://users.zoominternet.net/~devin/duck1.jpg

Want more? Ok, say they chose a fish:
http://users.zoominternet.net/~devin/fish.jpg

A swimming fish complete with a mouth!

I guess that is enough examples. I just wanted to show you that our work goes FAR beyond the cloud busting technique that some of you are familiar with. This is basically a book of CLOUD FEATS or Cloud Magic.

Devin
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Mar 10, 2007 01:03PM)
Wow!
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Mar 10, 2007 01:28PM)
Blindside, you are a person of many words....
Message: Posted by: Y2John (Mar 10, 2007 01:51PM)
That's incredible, how can this be done, I mean the clouds... forming into revelations. When are you hoping to have this ready? Blindside said it best, WOW.
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Mar 10, 2007 01:55PM)
Late Spring or early summer, Jerome and I are still writing. The photos are pretty amazing and you can do the same thing once you learn our techniques. When you do the Card in the air, people are going to put you in the league of those two well known TV street magicians. It just doesn't seem possible to a lay person that such a thing can be done. Unless you sold you soul LOL.

Devin
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (Mar 10, 2007 02:34PM)
I thought I'd chime in here for a moment . . .

Cloud sculpting can be very powerful with objects as Devin has done. Others have ventured here as well, including another great thinker and performer that I respect very much and who also frequents this forum.

With that said, I prefer to work with words and the names and faces of loved ones when I do cloud sculpting. I regularly use a powerful psychological effect in which the spectator THINKS of a number and chooses a cloud, only to SEE their number appear in the cloud! No questions are asked, nothing is said, and I know which number is being thought of. (And no, it's not written down either :) )

Besides the name or face of a friend or loved one, the above routine is the one I use most when sculpting.

These are not pipe dreams, but REAL WORLD miracles. The reader will get both sides of the technique and performance, from Devin's perspective, as well as my own.

This material, instruction and technique can also be used to great effect for things other than cloud busting. We will touch on this as well.

Regards,
Jerome Finley.
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Mar 10, 2007 02:59PM)
Just thought I'd chime in again and say that when it comes to Cloud Sculpting, Jerome and I are from two different schools of thought. My methods are totally different from his methods. This is one area where we were not on the same page. He has some interesting approaches and methods different from the ones I use.

My methods are of what Al Mann or Doc Shields would have used. Jerome on the other hand is going more with a Hilford/Kenton approach. So the reader will have two schools of thought on this to study and learn from.

Devin
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Mar 10, 2007 03:03PM)
[quote]
On 2007-03-10 14:55, magicbuilder wrote:
Late Spring or early summer, Jerome and I are still writing. The photos are pretty amazing and you can do the same thing once you learn our techniques. When you do the Card in the air, people are going to put you in the league of those two well known TV street magicians. It just doesn't seem possible to a lay person that such a thing can be done. Unless you sold you soul LOL.

Devin
[/quote]Oh please try to release this late Spring, or really really really early summer. I'd love to pull it off and film this to tons of people at Wild Waves! lol
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Mar 10, 2007 03:04PM)
Forgot to mention, Jerome has some thoughts (and he does this in the real world) where the face of a loved one appears in the sky. Talk about freaking someone out!
This idea was new to me and I haven't had a chance to try it myself yet, but I am looking forward to doing this.
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Mar 10, 2007 03:07PM)
Blindside, this would be perfect for Wild Waves, when I work outdoor festivals I will often use the card in the sky revelation. It will stay there for a while and after your show people will walk around and point to the MIRACLE in the sky that you created!
Since the card can be seen from anywhere in the park or festival you have a solid reputation maker. Once you filmed this, you could load it up to YOU TUBE.
Devin
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Mar 10, 2007 03:13PM)
Yeah of course I'll load it up on youtube :), maby I can get hooked up with some friends or one of my mom's firend's video camera so I could get better audio quality.
Message: Posted by: Lawrens Godon (Mar 10, 2007 03:25PM)
Hello Magicbuilder and Jerome,

Does the cloud busting techniques relate to [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareidolia] pareidolia [/url]?

I like your ideas, and will for sure get your book in time...

As soon as I discovered this thread, I googled the subject and found numerous sites, forums, and scientific articles about this...

Totally outstanding!!!

Thanks!
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Mar 10, 2007 04:16PM)
Ok that is a loaded question. The cloud vanishing and appearing have nothing to do with Pareidolia. However some of Jerome's techniques for seeing a loved one in the cloud has some background in Pareidolia. My techniques on the other hand do not rely on this. It's obvious from the photos I've posted that you can plainly see a fish, the A of Diamonds, etc. You don't have to rely on your imagination much. But yes some of Jerome's techniques rely on Pareidolia and he has extensively worked with the power of suggestion and Pareidolia to create some incredible cloud sculpturing in the minds of the spectators. He even shows you how to apply Pareidolia techniques to a group so everyone sees the same thing.

Devin
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Mar 10, 2007 04:33PM)
Here are two examples of cloud sculpture to create faces of love ones:
Here is a man
http://users.zoominternet.net/~devin/man.jpg

Here is a woman:
http://users.zoominternet.net/~devin/woman.jpg

Jerome's techniques will turn these into your loved one.
Message: Posted by: Lord Of The Horses (Mar 10, 2007 05:04PM)
Guys, CONGRATULATIONS!

I knew about Jerome having some VERY GOOD thoughts on the subject, and I'm sure Devin has some other equally good thoughts on this...

This will be A MUST HAVE BOOK!
Message: Posted by: LWright (Mar 10, 2007 05:15PM)
This really is beginning to sound like the next big thing for people to buy.
I mean, when reading about it first I was thinking..well, impromptu maybe..but highly impractical.

But now we hear it's practical as well ? Definite purchase!
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Mar 10, 2007 05:26PM)
[quote]
On 2007-03-10 17:33, magicbuilder wrote:
Here are two examples of cloud sculpture to create faces of love ones:
Here is a man
http://users.zoominternet.net/~devin/man.jpg

Here is a woman:
http://users.zoominternet.net/~devin/woman.jpg

Jerome's techniques will turn these into your loved one.

[/quote]WTH!!! THAT IS SCARY! I love it!
Message: Posted by: Y2John (Mar 10, 2007 06:14PM)
Those pics are great, totally impossible, yet that's what your achieving.
Message: Posted by: PWRIS (Mar 10, 2007 06:30PM)
Absolutly superb can´t wait, will "Magic Café" clients get first look?
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Mar 10, 2007 07:22PM)
Ordinary just is just NOT good enough these days. You will not be an ordinary performer when you do these things.
Message: Posted by: Scattered Dream (Mar 10, 2007 07:38PM)
This sounds incredible but so did the Invisible Force Levitation :(
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Mar 10, 2007 07:45PM)
Don't give up hope, RETRO GRAVITY is stilled planned for release, maybe in the Fall. I've had a lot of releases on the market since the levitation was announced. I've had my reasons for holding it back and not releasing it, but it will come out in time.

CloudBusting is coming out by summer, you can bet your dollar on it. Jerome has had his work since 1999-2000. He is updating it and I'm adding in my stuff.

Devin
Message: Posted by: Dr Spektor (Mar 10, 2007 07:45PM)
<elbows Tony out of thw way>

Nonono! I WILL BE the first customer!!!! Heck, tell me where to preorder - take my moolah please! You and Jerome sound like you got a winner on your hands!

This is great for elemental mentalism effects - i.e. air, wind, fire & earth -> which makes up clouds anyway.... mental bizarre magic awaits...

WATCH THE SKIES!!!!
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Mar 10, 2007 07:50PM)
I'll def. try to be their first costumer. :P
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Mar 10, 2007 07:55PM)
Sorry, NO PRESALES, we aren't going that route. Jerome and I will work on this as quickly as we can to finish it up. I have several other projects going right now including the newly released PAINT CAN SURPRISE. Also everyone is waiting on the next installment in Psychic Sight Series: FORESIGHT. Luckily Jerome has most of this already written up (the cloud secrets)I've only got to add in my ideas and expand then it will hit the printers.

Although I have hinted that in the past I would release my work on the clouds I haven't had time with performing and other releases to get it all down. Much to my amazement Jerome had come up with basically the same methods and identical scripting. We were amazed as we exchanged notes how much we thought alike on the subject. I feel I have truly met my match on Cloud Busting when it comes to Jerome Finley. He knows as much as I do and probably more as he has experimented with some field I hadn't even thought of.

Hopefully in all humility this will become a classic work and probably the only work on the subject. I seriously doubt that there would be much left for anyone else to write on the subject as we are covering all known techniques, including trickery, scientific, dual reality, and for completeness Occult Methods as taught by the Yoga Masters (whether you believe that part or not isn't important, the techniques make for good theater if using our trick methods.

Should be the most complete reference book on the subject and offshots of it. Jerome has some ideas using the same techniques where you can cause flowing water to slow down, bend and even change directions. The techniques he uses for this are some of the ones he will teach with the clouds.

Not sure if the work on water will be included or a separate release of his in the future.

Devin
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Mar 10, 2007 08:00PM)
Yummy, more money to save :)
Message: Posted by: Richie Dagger (Mar 10, 2007 08:03PM)
This sounds absolutely fantastic! I hope you are kidding about selling this so cheap though.
Message: Posted by: Scattered Dream (Mar 10, 2007 08:04PM)
I think I'll probaly die when invisible force comes out. I really look forward to it and the cloudbusting book. I'll try not to think of it too much because might turn into Dr. Spektor saying, "take my moolah please!" :)

Joe
Message: Posted by: Scattered Dream (Mar 10, 2007 08:10PM)
I agree with Richie Dagger the price is a little low. Or maybe you should try to monitor who buys it. I just don't want another infamous youtube magic trick, like criss angel's Levitation. If kids are willing to videotape themselves levitating with a levitation that costs them over $100 then there is no tellin what they will do with the knowledge gained from a $25 to a $45 book that shows you how to mkae clouds vanish. Magic shouldn't be something you can watch whenever you want. It should be a miracle. It's almost like levitating is no longer a miracle.
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Mar 10, 2007 08:18PM)
Jeez I'm not rich guys. Your trying to get him to raise the price?
Message: Posted by: Richie Dagger (Mar 10, 2007 08:57PM)
Yeah,I am. Scattered Dream seems to be on the same page of understanding.
Message: Posted by: mota (Mar 10, 2007 09:01PM)
I am ready.

If you are not doing pre-orders perhaps you could allow people to send you their e-mail addresses so they can be ordered immediately upon notification.

This is the kind of thing I want to see while the ink is still wet...wonderful!
Message: Posted by: Christopher Williams (Mar 10, 2007 09:06PM)
Finally, an effect for the people from the UK :D!!!
Message: Posted by: mota (Mar 10, 2007 09:20PM)
By the way...why are you guys wasting time posting here? That's another 30 seconds you could use to finish this.

Write, write, write...let's get this done! ;-)
Message: Posted by: Christopher Williams (Mar 10, 2007 09:26PM)
[quote]
On 2007-03-10 21:10, Scattered Dream wrote:
I agree with Richie Dagger the price is a little low. Or maybe you should try to monitor who buys it. I just don't want another infamous youtube magic trick, like criss angel's Levitation. If kids are willing to videotape themselves levitating with a levitation that costs them over $100 then there is no tellin what they will do with the knowledge gained from a $25 to a $45 book that shows you how to mkae clouds vanish. Magic shouldn't be something you can watch whenever you want. It should be a miracle. It's almost like levitating is no longer a miracle.
[/quote]

Though I would tend to agree, the famous saying in Magic is 'If you want to keep something a secret, put it in print'. And it's true. When Magicians come into the shop, I encourage them to buy books. I have hundreds of Magic books, I collect them as well as read them. However, that being said. 99% reject my opinion and go for a DVD. Why? Because they can't learn from a book so they say. Though most of you will say you love books, I bet only a small percentage of the almost 30,000 members we have on this forum actually read, and I mean ACTUALLY read. Not just flick through and get a couple ideas, I mean sit, learn and rehearse the routine as it was created. The price is about right I would say, though Devin can obviously set it at what he likes
Message: Posted by: LWright (Mar 10, 2007 11:25PM)
[quote]
On 2007-03-10 21:10, Scattered Dream wrote:
I agree with Richie Dagger the price is a little low. Or maybe you should try to monitor who buys it. I just don't want another infamous youtube magic trick, like criss angel's Levitation. If kids are willing to videotape themselves levitating with a levitation that costs them over $100 then there is no tellin what they will do with the knowledge gained from a $25 to a $45 book that shows you how to mkae clouds vanish. Magic shouldn't be something you can watch whenever you want. It should be a miracle. It's almost like levitating is no longer a miracle.
[/quote]

Youtube kiddies can't read. Don't worry about it.

But seriously...they won't read books, they 'can't learn from books, it's too hard'.
Message: Posted by: Richie Dagger (Mar 11, 2007 01:33AM)
They are considering putting a DVD with the manuscript, which is where the concerns come from. I don't want to see this turn into "The Cloud Trick." I'd rather pay a higher price myself.
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Mar 11, 2007 04:40AM)
The DVD if included WILL not teach the methods. It would be a performance DVD. You will have to read the book to learn the secrets. You will need a good understanding of the WHY to pull this off properly. We don't feel that a DVD will show this properly, this is material that needs to be studied via a book. You need to learn a script. A DVD isn't the best way to learn a script or patter. Once again this is best shown on the printed page. I know most people don't want to read books, so our secrets are quite safe.

Devin
Message: Posted by: Harry Truman (Mar 11, 2007 04:41AM)
Having read Jerome's posts here and elsewhere, and seeing other material Devin has to offer, I think what is being produced here will be a work of absolute wonder. The feat in itself sounds (and that's all I can say, unfortunately not yet having witnessed the miracle myself) incredible. Being written by two such experienced and seasoned performers, I'm sure that the work will be something worth waiting for.

Eagerly awaiting the arrival of this manuscript,
Harry.
Message: Posted by: Roth (Mar 11, 2007 04:53AM)
[quote]
On 2007-03-10 22:06, Christopher Williams wrote:
Finally, an effect for the people from the UK :D!!!
[/quote]
Dang! This will never work in Southern California! It's always clear cloudless skys and around 80 degrees. I hate that! :lol:
Message: Posted by: Christopher Williams (Mar 11, 2007 05:20AM)
[quote]
On 2007-03-11 05:53, Roth wrote:
[quote]
On 2007-03-10 22:06, Christopher Williams wrote:
Finally, an effect for the people from the UK :D!!!
[/quote]
Dang! This will never work in Southern California! It's always clear cloudless skys and around 80 degrees. I hate that! :lol:
[/quote]

:lol: , some people get all the luck!
Message: Posted by: Y2John (Mar 11, 2007 06:11AM)
I wouldn't mind a higher price tag, but then like others have said, putting it in a book will probably mean that many will dismiss it anyway. But we def don't want stuff like this to become common and be exposed and overused on youtube etc.
Message: Posted by: dengez (Mar 11, 2007 04:45PM)
Devin, I have a couple of questions.

Can the spectator literally pick a cloud and be watching it while it is turned into, say, the ace of clubs you forced on them? And is the impromptu version any less convincing than the "device" method? Thanks a lot, and I'm looking forward to it.

-Dengez
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Mar 11, 2007 05:27PM)
With my method, you point to the sky and the revelation is there. Jerome has another approach in which the person looks at the cloud they choose and sees the image of the card in the cloud. We both use different approaches. Using a device may make this more surefire and quicker but will require the use of a secret assistant. Frankly neither of us use secret devices.

They are explained in the book for completeness. The reader can decide if they use of secret devices is warranted.
Message: Posted by: dengez (Mar 11, 2007 05:36PM)
Alright, thank you.
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (Mar 11, 2007 05:56PM)
To answer some posts . . . Christopher Williams hit the nail on the head in a prior post. "Publish or perish" seems to be a very real thing! I can relate with Banachek now and the release of his material. For me, this routine (cloud busting) is in the same category as something like PK Time or PK Touches. When I first saw those routines published, I thought, "WHY???". Now, I understand it a bit more.

There are some things you just can't sit on forever. Also, I feel it was only a matter of time before someone cleverly "borrowed" my ideas and published them elsewhere. I feel really good about this, and am doing my best to release a complete, powerful and memorable work.

Roth,
You would be surprised at how much of this stuff you could still do, clear skies and all!

Dengez,
For me, a device is not an option. Devin does not use one either, as he stated, and this will be included in the book for the sake of completeness (along with the REAL yogic techniques for acheiving the same). Obviously, you are free to make one (and for pretty cheap), but I do not use them.

Y2John and others, I'd be happy to raise the price if that would make you happy! :) Seriously, thanks you guys for your confidence. I was busting clouds yesterday using the exact same techniques you will be learning. I can't tell you how strong the reactions are . . . you will all see come summer!

Kind regards,
Jerome Finley.
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Mar 11, 2007 06:06PM)
Just wanted to interject here since I will be publishing this book. This is not going to be your standard magic book. I hope this will be a classic and probably the only complete work on the subject. We're going to go with a perfect bound paperback with full color cover. I'm estimating a little over a 100 pages. This will not be a cheaply put together booklet but a real professionally produced book. I've opted not to cut expenses but to release something we will be proud to have our names behind.

Devin
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Mar 11, 2007 06:24PM)
[quote]
On 2007-03-11 18:56, TT2 wrote:
To answer some posts . . . Christopher Williams hit the nail on the head in a prior post. "Publish or perish" seems to be a very real thing! I can relate with Banachek now and the release of his material. For me, this routine (cloud busting) is in the same category as something like PK Time or PK Touches. When I first saw those routines published, I thought, "WHY???". Now, I understand it a bit more.

There are some things you just can't sit on forever. Also, I feel it was only a matter of time before someone cleverly "borrowed" my ideas and published them elsewhere. I feel really good about this, and am doing my best to release a complete, powerful and memorable work.

Roth,
You would be surprised at how much of this stuff you could still do, clear skies and all!

Dengez,
For me, a device is not an option. Devin does not use one either, as he stated, and this will be included in the book for the sake of completeness (along with the REAL yogic techniques for acheiving the same). Obviously, you are free to make one (and for pretty cheap), but I do not use them.

Y2John and others, I'd be happy to raise the price if that would make you happy! :) Seriously, thanks you guys for your confidence. I was busting clouds yesterday using the exact same techniques you will be learning. I can't tell you how strong the reactions are . . . you will all see come summer!

Kind regards,
Jerome Finley.


[/quote]Please do not raise the price. If you do make it AT THE MOST 50 or 60 dollars. I'm not a rich person. I'd love to do this as an art, not to show off.
Message: Posted by: Richie Dagger (Mar 11, 2007 06:32PM)
[quote]
On 2007-03-11 19:06, magicbuilder wrote:
Just wanted to interject here since I will be publishing this book. This is not going to be your standard magic book. I hope this will be a classic and probably the only complete work on the subject. We're going to go with a perfect bound paperback with full color cover. I'm estimating a little over a 100 pages. This will not be a cheaply put together booklet but a real professionally produced book. I've opted not to cut expenses but to release something we will be proud to have our names behind.

Devin
[/quote]

Sounds very nice. All the more reason I still say you guys should charge BIG bucks for this.
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Mar 11, 2007 06:36PM)
I understand that many want us to raise the price but I realize a lot of you are on budgets. I have figured out the printing costs to professionally produce this. Obviously with any magic book, the market is limited. The price will $39.95. That is firm, no lower, no higher. It's the only way I can afford to print the book the way I want too.

Neither Jerome nor I will get rich off this, its really more of a labor of love and to get this stuff in print. If we are lucky and you guys support this project we may make a little bit. I wanted to price this book at what I thought was fair. I am as sick as you guys are with people charging $60 to 100.00 for a magic book or 30.00 for a ebook download.

I want to give you guys something valuable in a nice format (no ebook to prevent piracy on file sharing sites)and still at a fair price. I think when you see the finished product you will all be pleased and think we've set the right price for the material and media that we deliver it in.

Devin
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Mar 11, 2007 06:40PM)
Thank you! You guys are awesome :)
Message: Posted by: Rulerof52 (Mar 11, 2007 10:56PM)
This seems pretty cool, I would like to pick them up. Post when you have a definate release date.
Message: Posted by: bryanlonden (Mar 12, 2007 12:57AM)
I don't think there will be any kids exposing this on YouTube, since they stick to the Ellusionist tricks. I highly doubt many of them are even on the Café, and if they are, I doubt they would do the extensive amount of searching and reading necessary to find great material. Assuming that they did do this, however, then they wouldn't be doing the same tricks from a DVD that everyone else is doing right now and posting on YouTube.

I am really looking forward to this release, as I am planning on working on the boardwalk this summer, and this would be the PERFECT closer.

Can't wait
Message: Posted by: yachanin (Mar 12, 2007 09:13AM)
Hi Devon,

Sounds like a killer. Will you announce the release date here on the Café, or will we need to keep checking your web site? Thanks.

Regards, Steve
Message: Posted by: magicmike30 (Mar 12, 2007 09:16AM)
Sounds awesome and looks like I will be taking my Wonder Words to a whole new level.
magicmike30
Message: Posted by: yachanin (Mar 12, 2007 09:16AM)
Just thinking that some bizarrists would love this on a stormy evening...

Regards, Steve
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Mar 12, 2007 09:41AM)
This will be announced on the Café the day the books return from the printers. We will also announce WHEN the book is sent to the printers. However that is still 2 months away. Maybe sooner, depends on how fast Jerome and I can finish this.

Devin
Message: Posted by: DerekMerdinyan (Mar 12, 2007 12:37PM)
Here's an idea, everyone stop asking Devin questions so he can get back to writing ;)

This is going to be great!

Derek Merdinyan
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Mar 12, 2007 12:48PM)
Great Idea.
Message: Posted by: Y2John (Mar 12, 2007 02:57PM)
I second that.
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (Mar 12, 2007 04:53PM)
Magicmike,
Students of Wonder Words will be comfortable with this work, although it does not rely on so many phonological ambiguities to accomplish the effect.

Bryan,
I'm not worried about this being exposed on YouTube either. It will take a strong performer to do my routine. It is simple, but not EASY. There is something here for everyone, and judging by the posts here, I'm certain that those interested will get the full benefits from my work.

Devin has more writing to do than I do :) I'm free to answer any questions from interested parties, until the release.

Kind regards,
Jerome.
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Mar 12, 2007 05:11PM)
Sweet, ok. Let the questions begin

Can you put any image in the cloud? Like any number or maby a name?
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (Mar 12, 2007 05:19PM)
Blindside,
I work with numbers, words, names and faces. I keep the numbers to one or two digits, also, words should not be terribly long . . . with the presentation I use, the spectator will see whatever you wish for them to see.

J.
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Mar 12, 2007 06:03PM)
Well I suppose if you use that presentation, People who you haven't pattered to would not see the image in the sky that could be a downfall. It's like if you had people you pattered to and they went to one of their friends that were not there during the patter they would not see what the person you pattered to saw. Can't have a person see a rectangle and have them see a triangle. Is this kind of what your talking about?
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (Mar 12, 2007 06:11PM)
Put simply, looking at the pictures Devin posted, everybody would see the same thing, i.e. a face, a card, an animal or object, etc.

I don't like being vague, "Weeeelllll, it kind of looks like a (fill in the blank) . . ." THAT DOESN'T WORK FOR ME!!! I need my routines to be crystal clear and to the point. That is what you will get here.

Best,
Jerome.
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Mar 12, 2007 06:48PM)
[quote]
On 2007-03-12 19:11, TT2 wrote:
Put simply, looking at the pictures Devin posted, everybody would see the same thing, i.e. a face, a card, an animal or object, etc.

I don't like being vague, "Weeeelllll, it kind of looks like a (fill in the blank) . . ." THAT DOESN'T WORK FOR ME!!! I need my routines to be crystal clear and to the point. That is what you will get here.

Best,
Jerome.
[/quote]Oh ok, I thought you had a presentation yourself that would make any cloud look like something to a person with patter. I just thought wrong :)
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (Mar 12, 2007 07:08PM)
Blindside,
You will see two versions, one where the participant is led to see whatever you wish, and another that will result in something unmistakeable to everyone, as in Devin's pictures.

For instance; a person thinks of their Uncle Joe. His face appears in the clouds as you reveal the name. With my presentation, the person see's his Uncle's face, BUT nobody is going to come around the corner and say, "Hey, I saw your uncle's face in the clouds today." I hope that makes sense.

If you want something everyone can see and identify, Devin's method will suit you well.

Regards,
J.
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Mar 12, 2007 07:30PM)
Alright, I gotchya thanks :)
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Mar 12, 2007 09:31PM)
This is really hard to explain to the people on penguin. They think it's to good to be true, in a bad way. They've seen too much hype from Alex "rose" it's blinded them.
Message: Posted by: bryanlonden (Mar 12, 2007 09:54PM)
I thought magic was about believing in making the impossible happen? Oh well, just less people this has to be shared with I suppose.
Message: Posted by: chichi711 (Mar 12, 2007 09:54PM)
Blindside don't post about this on Penguin. I don't want to kill sells for Jerome and Devin, but Penguin???? These are the same hacks that review products they don't own and admit that in the review all the while urging you to click "buy now". These are the same people that expose stuff on youtube. Lets leave the Penguinites to their own little world.

Jerome can you do this stuff at night?
Message: Posted by: bitterman (Mar 12, 2007 10:39PM)
Cloudbusting is one thing, but have you tried Cloudhopping?

EFFECT: Using the power of your mind you can control cloud patterns, create and destroy clouds at will, create wind and rain and have a God-like control of the weather.

Rolf Alexander, a light opera performer who claimed he could cause cloud dispersal through concentration, demonstrated his theory of "creative realism" in Geneva Park, Canada on September 12, 1955. The Niagara Falls Evening Review reported that from 2:09 to 2:17 that afternoon, Alexander use his "creative realism" to dissipate three clouds, the first in just three minutes.

Though never a fan of Gilbert and Sullivan, we have undertaken the task of unlocking the secrets of Creative Realism, and presents them here for the very first time!
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Mar 12, 2007 10:46PM)
[quote]
On 2007-03-12 22:54, chichi711 wrote:
Blindside don't post about this on Penguin. I don't want to kill sells for Jerome and Devin, but Penguin???? These are the same hacks that review products they don't own and admit that in the review all the while urging you to click "buy now". These are the same people that expose stuff on youtube. Lets leave the Penguinites to their own little world.

Jerome can you do this stuff at night?
[/quote]I already did, I asked magicbuilder if it was fine for me to advertise this for him. I just wanted to help out. I'm gonna leave penguin forever now. They think everything is hogwash
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Mar 12, 2007 11:41PM)
[quote]
On 2007-03-12 23:39, bitterman wrote:
Cloudbusting is one thing, but have you tried Cloudhopping?

EFFECT: Using the power of your mind you can control cloud patterns, create and destroy clouds at will, create wind and rain and have a God-like control of the weather.

Rolf Alexander, a light opera performer who claimed he could cause cloud dispersal through concentration, demonstrated his theory of "creative realism" in Geneva Park, Canada on September 12, 1955. The Niagara Falls Evening Review reported that from 2:09 to 2:17 that afternoon, Alexander use his "creative realism" to dissipate three clouds, the first in just three minutes.

Though never a fan of Gilbert and Sullivan, we have undertaken the task of unlocking the secrets of Creative Realism, and presents them here for the very first time!
[/quote]I guess this is worth it for 5 dollars, it's alright
Message: Posted by: bryanlonden (Mar 13, 2007 12:40AM)
Yeah I highly doubt people on Penguin would even read the book anyways if they don't even accept this effect as being plausible. Like chichi said, I don't want to hinder any sales, but Penguin isn't the place to advertise this. I'd assume that Jerome and Devin are more interested in writing a complete and serious piece of literature than they are about making money off of this. By putting all of their effort into this book, it should be taken seriously. Someone who doesn't think it is possible would never read this whole book, therefore losing the understanding of how important the concepts are. Unfortunately this could lead to it being ::gasp:: exposed on YouTube.

Thanks blindside for taking this off of penguin, if the thread stays up, maybe someone truly interested will find their way to the Café, but other than that if most have already rejected this then there isn't too much to worry about from them I suppose.
Message: Posted by: Cody J.H. Pace (Mar 13, 2007 12:57AM)
How different is your teaching from that taught by Kenton Knepper and Doc Hilford on this subject. Is this a rehashing or are you giving us something new we have never seen before?

Cody
Message: Posted by: Roth (Mar 13, 2007 02:59AM)
I did a lot of cloud walking back in the late 70's. Good times.
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Mar 13, 2007 06:14AM)
[quote]
On 2007-03-12 23:39, bitterman wrote:
Cloudbusting is one thing, but have you tried Cloudhopping?

EFFECT: Using the power of your mind you can control cloud patterns, create and destroy clouds at will, create wind and rain and have a God-like control of the weather.


[/quote]

Believe it or NOT, this is covered in our book, mainly Jerome covering this. I got more of his part of the book last night to review and he was explaining how to do exactly what you mentioned.

Using his ideas, you can make people think you have the ability to make it rain or stop at will. Create Lightning, EVEN DELAY THE FIRST SNOW. Of course I'm tying in Rainmaker with some of my techniques,but Jerome has really worked on the URI Geller premise of taking credit for anything. Some really unique and fresh thinking on his part.

Concerning the kids on Penquin, they won't read this book. Heck, most of them wouldn't understand this book. Yes we give you simple techniques, but also Jerome in the style of Hilford and Kenton goes into some really deep techniques to create weather miracles. There will be those that totally fail to understand some of this. Not to worry, my section will have stuff that even beginners will be able to do. This book is a serious work and covers everything from the simple to the most advanced psychological methods available.

For completeness, we will be including for reference the occult techniques, besides the trick methods. Although I'm sure the Skeptics will scoff,but both Jerome and I have had great success (apparently)using the so-called occult methods. Maybe there is a logical explanation (I'm sure Randi would provide one)but sometimes this stuff appears so real, we both believe we can do it for real without the trickery. I know other people doing Cloud Busting have discovered the same thing.

Neither Jerome nor I are trying to foster a belief in the occult, being magicians we are highly skeptical of such claims, but the techniques seem to work and both of us can do them at will and repeat it as often as we wish.

Don't mis-understand, this is a book of magic, trickery and psychology, however for completeness we include the occult methods. You can read them and experiment you may have the luck we've had, if not it makes for good background patter. ESPECIALLY when you want to explain to the media how you do this.

I use the occult technique even when I'm cheating and using trickery to make the cloud vanish. WHY? Because it looks cool, looks like you are going into a trance and really using your powers to make the cloud vanish.

Devin
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Mar 13, 2007 06:26AM)
Cody,
This is NOT a rehashing. Hilford and Knepper barely touched the surface. Yes we cover the old ideas, but we also cover so much new material that this book is going to blow a lot of you away. We've got some new techniques that have never appeared in print before. Plus new effects with clouds. I've taken some standard mental effects and tied them in with the clouds (not cloud vanishing).

PLUS Jerome has tied in METAL BENDING with Cloud busting, making for a beautiful follow up. He shows how to use metal bending as a lead in to help create the BELIEF that you can control the elements. Outstanding thinking here, I've been doing Metal bending since the beginning, but until I read Jerome's thoughts I hadn't thought of tying to two together.

Devin
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Mar 13, 2007 06:52AM)
Regarding some of the scoffers and unbelievers on the other forums. I can't rightly fault them. This stuff (like most of my releases) sounds totally impossible. But that is what magic is about. Had I read these posts and it was someone I had never heard of I'd be highly skeptical and say it wasn't possible. I'd only accept these claims coming from someone such as Knepper, Osterlind, Hilford or myself. You know people with a long track record of releasing impossible sounding effects that live up to the claims.

I remember when Al Mann first started out, he submitted ads for some of his stuff to the Linking Ring magazine. The ads were refused, because the editors said the effects were impossible and could not be done. I kid you not. Al was only able to get his ads in AFTER he sent them the trick and they saw it was accurately advertised.

The problem is that if a magician can't fathom how something could be done, then he often deems it impossible, a scam or even false advertising. He doesn't realize that others can think outside his box of limited knowledge.

Jerome is a great example of someone who is thinking outside of the box when it comes to cloud busting techniques. I think I have a few surprises in store for most of you too.

Most of the stuff on Cloud busting in the past has just been a few paragraphs or best a few pages. Our book will be close to 100 pages, maybe more. You can tell from that we have a lot to say on the subject.

Devin
Message: Posted by: Lawrens Godon (Mar 13, 2007 08:00AM)
Hello,

Just a question: could you do any of the cloudbusting techniques for yourself?
I mean with no spectators?

Thanks,
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Mar 13, 2007 08:27AM)
Yes, that is how you practice. During the summer, while I'm outside I bust clouds for my own amusement This is not an optical illusion. The clouds actually vanish.
Message: Posted by: Richard Osterlind (Mar 13, 2007 10:13AM)
[quote]
On 2007-03-13 07:52, magicbuilder wrote:
Regarding some of the scoffers and unbelievers on the other forums. I can't rightly fault them. This stuff (like most of my releases) sounds totally impossible. But that is what magic is about. Had I read these posts and it was someone I had never heard of I'd be highly skeptical and say it wasn't possible. I'd only accept these claims coming from someone such as Knepper, Osterlind, Hilford or myself. You know people with a long track record of releasing impossible sounding effects that live up to the claims.

I remember when Al Mann first started out, he submitted ads for some of his stuff to the Linking Ring magazine. The ads were refused, because the editors said the effects were impossible and could not be done. I kid you not. Al was only able to get his ads in AFTER he sent them the trick and they saw it was accurately advertised.

The problem is that if a magician can't fathom how something could be done, then he often deems it impossible, a scam or even false advertising. He doesn't realize that others can think outside his box of limited knowledge.

Jerome is a great example of someone who is thinking outside of the box when it comes to cloud busting techniques. I think I have a few surprises in store for most of you too.

Most of the stuff on Cloud busting in the past has just been a few paragraphs or best a few pages. Our book will be close to 100 pages, maybe more. You can tell from that we have a lot to say on the subject.

Devin
[/quote]

Devin,

I have performed cloudbusting every since Al talked about it. I was going to include such a segment on my new videos, but there wasn't the time or opportunity to do so. I look forward to reading this book.

Richard
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Mar 13, 2007 11:11AM)
Thanks Richard, I have PM you regarding this release.
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Mar 13, 2007 01:10PM)
They say IMITATION is the sincerest form of flattery. Not so in this case. Some of you guys know what I'm talking about too.
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (Mar 13, 2007 02:02PM)
Re: CLOUDHOPPING by bitterman . . . I love it!

I would recommend that anyone interested in my techniques and Devin's book to pitch in the modest $5 spot and read this thing, it's worth a laugh and you certainly get what you pay for.

I got a PM regarding this, and I really don't see an issue . . . I read CLOUDHOPPING myself just 20 minutes ago; both clever and insulting - I had to love it. This is not an issue. Read CLOUDHOPPING. Support bitterman.

Peace, always . . .
Jerome Finley
Message: Posted by: bitterman (Mar 13, 2007 02:52PM)
Glad to see you get it, Jerome. :)
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (Mar 13, 2007 05:18PM)
Bitterman, you're okay in my book! :)

Chichi,
Yes, you can perform this material at night, given that you can see clouds. Otherwise, you will CREATE some other phenomena as I did with fishwasher in my original thread in "pennies". Mind you, I did this ONLINE and I was in the U.S. working with this young man in England. In person, it is even better.

Roth,
You're old! (70's???) :) ;) :)

Richard,
I'm honored that you would consider my work. I've been a long time fan and student of yours. Obviously, Devin has his own gems as far as working with clouds and the weather goes, and is a known name in the magic and mentalism community. Jerome Finley on the other hand . . . not so much!

I've spent the last 8 years keeping to myself and performing quietly. I've not ever released my original material, so this is new to me. Again, I'm honored and quite frightened that you would consider this work.

Blindside,
I can't tell anyone to stay away from Penguin, but this material requires a certain caliber performer to be effective. As I said before, there are many concepts to explore, and this is not "beginner" material. Devin has a knack for making things simple, and will make the principles workable for just about anyone.

Also (in general), I've been getting PM's asking if I was going to explain my metal bending work in the cloud busting book. Though they work together like a charm, I will only be tipping my work with one of them. Banachek and Osterlind have the best material out there, hands down. Please refer to their work if you wish to incorporate metal bending in your demonstrations.

When Michael Fraughton first taught me metal bending (10 years ago???), I was completely astonished. Cloud Busting is in this same category (for me) as far as strength, directness and clarity of effect are concerned. It was only natural that I combined the two.

I remember first getting my hands on the Al Mann files which explained Banachek's principles, and later being mentored by Fraughton. My eyes were opened. It is my sincere hope that this offering will have a similar impact upon some of you.

Most kind regards,
Jerome Finley.
Message: Posted by: ChrisR (Mar 13, 2007 05:19PM)
Hey Devin and Jerome,

Let me start off by saying that I am ecstatic about the release of this book. If it is released near the start of the summer it will be a perfect birthday gift for me.

I have one question: how long does it take to bust/manipulate a cloud. You said that you bust clouds for amusement, and I was wondering if this was a quick process.

Thanks,

~Chris~
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Mar 13, 2007 06:04PM)
Robin Williams was trying to cloudbust....he tried...I guess

http://youtube.com/watch?v=RgMxaq_coRw
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Mar 13, 2007 06:05PM)
Can't Wait!, we have to nude with the little guy dangling to cloudbust! (lol just kidding, just watch the video :)
Message: Posted by: bryanlonden (Mar 14, 2007 06:19PM)
I can't wait for this.
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Mar 14, 2007 06:52PM)
Nobody can wait for this but we have to. :(

I can't wait to get practicing with this :)
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Mar 14, 2007 07:14PM)
Jeez, totally forgot to ask these

-How visual is the cloud moving? Can you move it up and down?

-When the cloud appears (the impromptu way) how big is it?

And are ALL these techniques that can be done IMPROMPTU actually be filmed?? :)
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Mar 14, 2007 07:34PM)
The cloud that appears can be HUGE. Since these things actually happen, if someone has a video camera they can film it and they will see it. It's not their immagination or a suggestion in the mind. The cloud appears or disappears.
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Mar 14, 2007 07:51PM)
That's awesome :)
Message: Posted by: Edsel Chiu (Mar 14, 2007 09:21PM)
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=201467&forum=2&2

Is this effect very similar? This is new from what I heard.

Edsel,

Actual thread:

"http://www.lulu.com/content/734224

Description:

EFFECT: Using the power of your mind you can control cloud patterns, create and destroy clouds at will, create wind and rain and have a God-like control of the weather.

Rolf Alexander, a light opera performer who claimed he could cause cloud dispersal through concentration, demonstrated his theory of "creative realism" in Geneva Park, Canada on September 12, 1955. The Niagara Falls Evening Review reported that from 2:09 to 2:17 that afternoon, Alexander use his "creative realism" to dissipate three clouds, the first in just three minutes.

Though never a fan of Gilbert and Sullivan, Lance Norris has undertaken the task of unlocking the secrets of Creative Realism, and presents them here for the very first time!

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

What do you guys think on this?

All inputs are welcome.

Thanks a bunch in advance!

Edsel,"
Message: Posted by: bitterman (Mar 14, 2007 09:26PM)
Cloudhopping is a light piffel. It has nothing to do with the effect Cloudbusting, which sounds interesting and I am sure will be the must read of the summer.

How-some-ever, I am getting reports that Cloudhopper has some great success in recent days. There may even be video on Youtube if VIACOM hasn't taken it down yet.
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (Mar 14, 2007 09:34PM)
March 3, 2007 6:49 p.m., fishwasher wrote:

After talking to Jerome for awhile tonight about cloud melting, among other things, my parents told me there was a lunar eclipse happening, I left my conversation with Jerome to go and watch the happening.

when I returned there was a message from Jerome ofering to give me a long distance demonstration of cloud bursting.I quickly agreed. Then reminding him it was dark Jerome informed me,

"I know. I won't be working with clouds, but instead, causing some of my friends in the sky to come out and play for you"

I was intrigued. After asking me where in the world I was and what time it was at the moment he told me he would be leaving to call some "friends" I about 10/15 minutes later he returned and told me "It has been agreed.".

I was then told to begin watching the nights sky when the eclipse was reaching an end.This I did and what happened then was amazing.

I was standing outside gazing at the moon, or more correctly what was left of it, when it began to creep back out from under the shadow-the eclipse seemed to be reversing!

Stars began to appear around the moon, were these the friends Jerome was referring to? As soon as they appeared the moon began to move towards them. When the moon came close to them they would vanish and the moon would sail back under its shadowy cloak. This happened several times, each time the moon chasing a different star! It was beautiful, it was as if the moon wanted to get rid of all the light.

After the moon had made many journeys it went back under its cloak one last time.

This was a very strange, but beautiful, experience for me and made me long for true darkness as the moon seemed to. But in this age this is hard to acheive so my desire was left unfufilled.

My writing on this experience does not do it justice, it seemed to be real magic...


Edsel,
The material you mentioned above is an ebook by bitterman and has nothing to do with my work. I read it as a parody to what I do. It was very funny, but you won't be accomplishing feats like the above using it, LOL!!! Hey, at $5 bucks, I'll buy just about anything and bitterman's work is no exception!

The reason I quote fishwasher from my other thread is because of the queries I receive about whether or not demonstrations and rituals of the imagination such as this would be explained in mine and Devin's book.

To be honest and straightforward, no, BUT it's not a far leap to take the principles I do teach you and create something similar. I do a lot of work such as this WITHOUT clouds (bending water, appearing UFO's, turning transparent, etc.), and this is one of my own effects. One thing at a time, perhaps I will speak about these routines in the future.

Kind regards,
Jerome Finley.
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Mar 14, 2007 09:42PM)
Aww :) Getting myself hyped about too many things at the same time
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (Mar 14, 2007 09:52PM)
Blindside,

I believe you also PM'd me?

"Moonshine" is the name of the effect you read about.

It uses some of the same principles in my cloud work. You can apply the PRINCIPLES to many things, and create different effects. With a lot of work, practice and thought, you could do the above after you learn my techniques.

Best,
Jerome.
Message: Posted by: Nick-V. (Mar 15, 2007 01:52PM)
Devin,

You're on a roll buddy.

:)
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Mar 15, 2007 11:05PM)
Ah jeez, I'm too excited. I'm dreaming about doing this everynight.
Message: Posted by: naquada (Mar 16, 2007 06:09AM)
Oh so add me to the waiting list... pm'ed you guys, very interested in knowing when this becomes available.. my interested been sparked.. and just wondering how/what the book will talk about..! :)
Message: Posted by: Tempesta (Mar 16, 2007 06:41AM)
Can you up the price and lower the hype? I don't want everybody knowing about this...

Maybe I'll make a bulk purchase... : )

||sean ||
Message: Posted by: Robert Apodaca (Mar 17, 2007 01:02AM)
You guys might want to check out this thread too

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=201467&forum=2
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Mar 17, 2007 11:11AM)
No, don't buy that 5 dollar ebook unless you want to throw your money away for funny explanations that don't work
Message: Posted by: bitterman (Mar 17, 2007 02:12PM)
They work if you really, really want them too, blindside. :)
Message: Posted by: Charlie Justice (Mar 17, 2007 03:43PM)
I can't come to grips on what this is all about. Is this a psychological effect? Is it white voodoo? Is it some perfectly timed natural occurance that requires atmospheric knowledge? LOL. These are, of course, just rhetorical as I'm not fishing but I'm serious when I say that I have NO IDEA what the deal is on this.

I'm a buyer just to have the right to either cheer or jeer this effect.

peace, charlie
Message: Posted by: Nick-V. (Mar 17, 2007 03:59PM)
[quote]
On 2007-03-17 16:43, Charlie Justice wrote:
Is it some perfectly timed natural occurance that requires atmospheric knowledge? LOL.
[/quote]

LOL!

Well, at least we know Devin Knight is a part of it.
Should be pretty interesting.

Nick V.
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (Mar 17, 2007 04:07PM)
Nick V,
Devin IS on a roll. I'm at home this morning going over the book, and Devin is sharing A TON of practical information, routines and insight here.

Naquada,
Hopefully someone has PM'd you, as we do our best to answer any questions ASAP. Please refer to Devin's first post in this thread for the books contents.

Tempesta,
Unfortunately, some HYPE is necessary. We want people to know what we're doing, and how they may also do this. Not everybody will be cloud busting, I promise. Also, the price is set to be fair - and I feel it is. Thanks for your vote of confidence.

The book is on schedual, and thanks to everyone for your patience and support.

Best,
Jerome.
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Mar 17, 2007 04:13PM)
Awesome. to hear you guys are making progress. (David Caruso style) Now, I'm gonna eat my cornflakes.
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Mar 17, 2007 04:20PM)
[quote]
On 2007-03-17 16:43, Charlie Justice wrote:
I can't come to grips on what this is all about. Is this a psychological effect? Is it white voodoo? Is it some perfectly timed natural occurance that requires atmospheric knowledge? LOL. These are, of course, just rhetorical as I'm not fishing but I'm serious when I say that I have NO IDEA what the deal is on this.

I'm a buyer just to have the right to either cheer or jeer this effect.

peace, charlie
[/quote]

Actually we cover all this, plus trickery as well. This is going to be by far the most complete work ever on cloud magic. I'm releasing some clever ways to apply some standard mental effects to clouds. Thought of numbers appear in clouds, not your imagination but actually appear in the sky. I'm also tipping a clever way to use the old Grey Elephant in Denmark trick but having a Grey Elephant Cloud appear in the sky as part of the revelation. There is something for everyone in this book and more practical ideas then you every dreamed off. I've even touched some ground involving the use of chemtrails when they appear.

I've put a good 10 hours in already today on this book and just dropped in to see if any questions needed to be answered.

Devin
Message: Posted by: bryanlonden (Mar 17, 2007 05:21PM)
Jerome, earlier on in this thread it was mentioned these methods can be used to do other effects, such as bending water and reversing the flow of water. Will there be enough understanding after reading this book to do these effects, and create others using the same methods and principles?
Message: Posted by: yachanin (Mar 17, 2007 06:07PM)
I'm at the ready when the book is available... count me in. My Rainmaker is ready to go as well :)

Regards, Steve
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (Mar 17, 2007 06:24PM)
Bryan,
Great question. "Stop and start" (my effect with water) and "Moonshine" (moon and star magic) use some of the same principles. There are various concepts at work here, and I believe through APPLICATION, our readers will come up with many similar effects on their own.

Individual understanding will vary. Some will take to this work instantly, and others won't get it at all. My promise is to provide you with the tools I use for cloud busting. Applying the concepts elsewhere will be a personal thing. But yes, after you understand the principles, I believe you can begin working similar feats.

I hope that helps and is not too vague.

Regards,
J.
Message: Posted by: bryanlonden (Mar 18, 2007 12:15PM)
Thanks Jerome, that answers my question exactly. As I thought, after you understand the principle, it would then be left to the imagination to apply it to other things.

Once again, I can't wait for this
Message: Posted by: johnnymystic (Mar 18, 2007 10:49PM)
This all sounds like hogwash! ;) (Thats A Joke For The Idiots At Large Who Need That Kind Of Clarity)and if it isn't all hogwash then sadly it WILL be exposed on youtube.com or some other similar network.

What bothers me is all the hype, it may all be true indeed these neat sounding cloud bending effects and that's great, I'll be the first in line for this one and I'm a hard sell but then...

theres this talk of a book, on cloud busting see? Supposedly not everyone will get this because it's a book and not a DVD, it COULD be a good well kept secret in the magic fraternity.

Then again theres all this hype...on the internet man. Of course some young ones out there are gonna get this and then what do you think is gonna happen?

Granted in the end the makers of said effect ('s) are in it for the money, capitalism at it's finest folks more power to 'em!

But I'm thinking folks and that's no small feat, I'm thinking the hype will reduce this to something that will eventually be exposed on the internet, either here inadvertantly or somewhere else worse like online videos.

And that is sad.

I do not understand why this wasn't sold to some big name like Blaine or Angel, either of which could've bought exclusive rights, which would have made more money...hmmm... I wonder?

johnny
Message: Posted by: Psy-Kosh (Mar 19, 2007 03:11PM)
Been a while, anyways, this sounds jawdroppingly awsome, and actually is making me feel a bit inspired, but I have a question:

How fast/often can the "images" be changed, and to what extent while the audiance is watching the sky?

What I'm trying to ask is if any of this can be used with story telling, using the sky as a canvas to illustrate the story?
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Mar 19, 2007 03:23PM)
Story telling might be possible with Jerome's techniques. He can answer that better than me as he is still writing his part on cloud changing. My part is more of an instant Sky Revelation (that is a term I created for these type of effects: SKY REVELATIONS) that anyone can see and recognize, such as a thought of number or Playing card. When my image appears, it appears and can't be changed. It remains for while for others to spread the word, point to the sky an attest the miracle they just saw.

Devin
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (Mar 19, 2007 03:35PM)
Psy-Kosh,

I think I understand your question . . .

Yes, you can use cloud busting, sculpting, changing and cloud transformation within the context of a story. With some of my principles, you could seemingly affect an instantaneous change, while others will take a few minutes. The only issue as I see it, would be in lessening the impact of the effect through multiple changes and revelations.

I'd be happy to discuss this in private.

Regards,
Jerome Finley.
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Mar 19, 2007 03:35PM)
You talk about Jawdropping. I tested one of these effect this past weekend. It is fairly impromptu and worked exactly as planned. The effect is that you approach a group of people on the street. You have one of them think of number (not tell you) and write it down on slip of paper. You have them fold the paper and then you take it and set it on fire. Instantly large billows of white smoke rise from the burning paper. You drop it to the ground, still burning and a huge amount of white smoke comes forth and rises into the air. You look up and point out that the smoke has formed a number in the air. You don't even ask them the number. Once they look to the sky and see the number they just thought of, the person freaks out.

That's right you never ask them the number, their reaction shows it to their friends you are correct. I did this this past weekend in Beaver, Pa on the street for a bunch of college age girls I saw. Regardless to say they freaked out big time, were screaming and the others were asking, is that the number you thought of? When she said yes, they'd scream again.

Yes you can do this effect exactly as I have described. It is impromptu. In all fairness you can't do it everyday and anytime. The conditions have to be right and I describe them in the book, but when they are you have something that will drive them crazy. This goes far beyond your average street card trick or mindreading. This is the stuff miracles are made from. I've never seen people react any stronger to any street magic I do, then the smoke rising into the air and forming a cloud that looks like the number they merely thought of.

It works, you need only try it.

Devin
Message: Posted by: magicmike30 (Mar 19, 2007 04:21PM)
I want to be the first in line to get this book, Copy numero uno please.
I will have to wait but spring is just around the corner.


magicmike30
Message: Posted by: Psy-Kosh (Mar 19, 2007 05:04PM)
Thanks for both of your replies, and TT2, PMed you.

Again, this book sounds fantastic.
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Mar 20, 2007 01:04AM)
One thing we sort of haven't touched on during this discussion is the cloud moving. How is that? Can you move the cloud up and down?
Message: Posted by: Rulerof52 (Mar 20, 2007 09:52AM)
When you get a release date, let me know!
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (Mar 20, 2007 01:14PM)
Blindside,

I have not moved a cloud up or down. I'm sure it could be done, just that I have not done it. Don't pick this apart too much; cloud busting does have its limitations.

I've never had the want or need to move a cloud up or down. If you look at Devin's number routine, smoke apparently forms a number and cloud in the sky. (Moving UP)I've also been speaking with Psy-Kosh in private, working on a way to have an image in the sky HAND something to the performer (moving DOWN).

Anything can be done. How hard are you willing to work for it?

Regards,
Jerome Finley.
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Mar 20, 2007 02:06PM)
We not go to focus on cloud moving. That isn't really much of a trick. The wind constantly moves clouds and the spectators will assume its only the wind moving. When
we refer to cloud moving, we are referring to the cloud coming to life, the edges moving around to create a new shape.
Message: Posted by: Psy-Kosh (Mar 20, 2007 02:07PM)
*blinks* You're taking the time to work on that? Wow, thank you.
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (Mar 20, 2007 02:38PM)
Thanks, Devin ;)

My focus is on cloud busting, and though a myriad of other effects are possible, this is what I do most (and best).

Regards,
J.
Message: Posted by: chichi711 (Mar 21, 2007 04:03PM)
Okay. I just met with Jerome today. This is the first time I had ever met Jerome. I wanted to see this thing in action and he agreed. I thank him for that opportunity. I am going to try and put cloud busting into words. This will be a hard thing to describe, because it is such a visual experience. Words don’t do justice for it, but I will give it a shot.

First off. We walk outside and sit down on a bench. Jerome explained what was going to happen. Then it was time to actually pick the cloud. There are many clouds in the sky and we decide that this big cloud is going to be the one we are going to bust. We sit down and within one minute my eyes are watering almost to the point where I can’t see. Now let me explain. I was not crying I did not have some emotional break down. My eyes start watering for whatever reason. After about 30 to 45 seconds of that the watering goes away and I can again focus on the cloud in front of us. Jerome has me visualizing sucking this cloud in sucking it out of the sky. As I picture this the cloud starts to form a sort of tail. This is hard to explain, but it was a very real experience of me sucking in this cloud. Within a short amount of time this big cloud has an enormous hole right in the middle of it. Within about another 2 mins this big huge cloud was completely gone. Other clouds now surrounded the area and it made a gaping hole in the sky. Very COOL!!! I also saw some other things which I can only try to explain. The only word I can think of is “energy”. Honestly I could see energy out in front of me. It was a very weird experience. I think for each individual person it will be a completely different experience (that is what I LOVE about this). Everybody will have something happen outside of just seeing a cloud bust. For me my eyes watered and I saw what looked like flowing energy (among other things). For others they may see and or feel other things. I can’t wait for the book to be out. Jerome really has some great thinking here.

I also think you will learn many things that will help with almost any mentalism effect or presentation. One of the things I can’t believe he is releasing, but that is his decision. I have never seen this used in mentalism. In all honesty he could think up some other routines and put this idea with it and it would blow people away. He is just tossing it in this book for free. Hopefully people will see the value of it. I also hope people will over look the power of it. ;)

That is what I saw. PM me if you would like. Keep in mind I don't KNOW METHODS and I am just somebody that had the chance to sit down with Jerome and experience real magic!

Thanks again Jerome!
Message: Posted by: chichi711 (Mar 21, 2007 04:04PM)
P.S. Do you think my review should be put in the proper review section of the Café?
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Mar 21, 2007 05:01PM)
Not yet, as the review section is ONLY for items that have been released. This book is coming out in June so no reviews can be posted until then. Thanks for posting your comments on this.

I'm glad because maybe some of the people who doubt this stuff can be done, will realize that it can be done and isn't pipe dreams, but real world effects.

Devin
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Mar 21, 2007 06:50PM)
The BLUE SKY effect is being explained in this book. This is more than just a cloud vanish. Today the entire sky was a cloud cover, you couldn't see the sky for the clouds. Using the blue sky technique the entire cloud cover was made to vanish in about 15 minutes. Now this may seem like a long time, but not when you are clearing the ENTIRE sky of all clouds leaving a clear blue sky. With the proper build-up you have a reputation making effect that goes far making a single cloud vanish. Yes TODAY, in less than 15 minutes, I removed a cloud cover that covered the entire sky leaving nothing but a clear sky.

This technique is being revealed for the first time anywhere in the book. I just told Jerome how this was pulled off. I even amazed myself LOL.

Devin
Message: Posted by: sapan joshi (Mar 22, 2007 05:31AM)
This is based on brain power.i read in book of neil slade mi right. is the based on that things??
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Mar 22, 2007 06:57AM)
We discuss that in the book too, but most of the methods rely on trickery.
Message: Posted by: sapan joshi (Mar 22, 2007 07:54AM)
Wow that's great then I cant waiiiiiiiiiiiit to long for that book.
Message: Posted by: bitterman (Mar 22, 2007 11:28AM)
Don’t forget: if you’ve never manipulated nature before, Cloudhopping is a great place to start. Although it has nothing to do with Cloudbusting, it might satisfy your jones until the real deal comes out this summer.
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (Mar 22, 2007 02:39PM)
[quote]
On 2007-03-21 17:03, chichi711 wrote:
Okay. I just met with Jerome today. This is the first time I had ever met Jerome. I wanted to see this thing in action and he agreed. I thank him for that opportunity. I am going to try and put cloud busting into words. This will be a hard thing to describe, because it is such a visual experience. Words don’t do justice for it, but I will give it a shot.

First off. We walk outside and sit down on a bench. Jerome explained what was going to happen. Then it was time to actually pick the cloud. There are many clouds in the sky and we decide that this big cloud is going to be the one we are going to bust. We sit down and within one minute my eyes are watering almost to the point where I can’t see. Now let me explain. I was not crying I did not have some emotional break down. My eyes start watering for whatever reason. After about 30 to 45 seconds of that the watering goes away and I can again focus on the cloud in front of us. Jerome has me visualizing sucking this cloud in sucking it out of the sky. As I picture this the cloud starts to form a sort of tail. This is hard to explain, but it was a very real experience of me sucking in this cloud. Within a short amount of time this big cloud has an enormous hole right in the middle of it. Within about another 2 mins this big huge cloud was completely gone. Other clouds now surrounded the area and it made a gaping hole in the sky. Very COOL!!! I also saw some other things which I can only try to explain. The only word I can think of is “energy”. Honestly I could see energy out in front of me. It was a very weird experience. I think for each individual person it will be a completely different experience (that is what I LOVE about this). Everybody will have something happen outside of just seeing a cloud bust. For me my eyes watered and I saw what looked like flowing energy (among other things). For others they may see and or feel other things. I can’t wait for the book to be out. Jerome really has some great thinking here.

I also think you will learn many things that will help with almost any mentalism effect or presentation. One of the things I can’t believe he is releasing, but that is his decision. I have never seen this used in mentalism. In all honesty he could think up some other routines and put this idea with it and it would blow people away. He is just tossing it in this book for free. Hopefully people will see the value of it. I also hope people will over look the power of it. ;)

That is what I saw. PM me if you would like. Keep in mind I don't KNOW METHODS and I am just somebody that had the chance to sit down with Jerome and experience real magic!

Thanks again Jerome!

[/quote]

Thank you for the kind words, Chichi. Lunch was great! I'm happy that you enjoyed my cloud busting. NO HYPE! NO PIPE DREAMS! "Cloud busting" is one of my top three $$$ makers and real world workers. Thanks for posting your experience.

Kind regards,
Jerome Finley.
Message: Posted by: Mental_Mike (Mar 22, 2007 06:41PM)
Jerome,

Will you be releasing the water bending and all the other cool stuff by itself or will it be included in the cloud book?? The cloud busting secrets and those other secrets is like real magic....I never liked the wonder words cloud busting much.

Mike
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (Mar 22, 2007 08:03PM)
Mike,

My water bending effect, transparent demonstration, psychic surgery and other pet routines will not be included in the cloud book.

I considered including something along these lines, however as this is a book of cloud busting and cloud related magic/mentalism, I have decided not to.

Also, I want to see how my material is performed and accepted, and if people can stay quiet about methods, then I will consider releasing future work.

Best,
J.
Message: Posted by: Amade3us (Mar 22, 2007 09:00PM)
I wanna know what Jerome's other top 3 money makers are. ;-)

Add me to the list of those who can't control their excitement about this release much longer.

-Dustin
Message: Posted by: sapan joshi (Mar 23, 2007 04:49AM)
Can we show this trick to other magician??can we fool other magician around??
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Mar 23, 2007 06:53AM)
If the magician doesn't know the secrets behind cloud busting they will be fooled. Look at the comments chichi711 had to say after seeing Jerome do this.
Message: Posted by: yachanin (Mar 23, 2007 08:46AM)
[quote]
On 2007-03-21 18:01, magicbuilder wrote:
This book is coming out in June so no reviews can be posted until then. Thanks for posting your comments on this[/quote]

Is a June release definite (early, mid-, late)?

Regards, Steve
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Mar 23, 2007 09:01AM)
Yes a June release is for sure, probably going to be Mid to Late June but the book will be out for sure in June.
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (Mar 23, 2007 11:54AM)
Sapan,

It is not the point of cloud busting to simply "fool" people, and I feel that time spent performing for magicians is time wasted in most cases.

yachanin,
June, for sure.

Dustin,
Thank you for your support.

I'm off to Italy for two weeks. Devin will be here to answer your questions, and address any concerns.

Take care,
Jerome Finley.
Message: Posted by: CinChiller (Mar 23, 2007 01:52PM)
[quote]
On 2007-03-23 10:01, magicbuilder wrote:
Yes a June release is for sure, probably going to be Mid to Late June but the book will be out for sure in June.
[/quote]

Just the book?
You mentioned a dvd. A conbo would be great!!
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Mar 23, 2007 03:08PM)
Dvd if included would just be preformance, I remember devin saying.
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Mar 23, 2007 03:31PM)
That is correct, we want to keep the secrets in the book. I've asked Jerome to see if he can get some performance footage while in Italy. We'll see.
Message: Posted by: chichi711 (Mar 24, 2007 04:57PM)
[quote]
On 2007-03-23 05:49, sapan joshi wrote:
Can we show this trick to other magician??can we fool other magician around??
[/quote]

I have seen a lot and this was new to me, but I agree with Jerome. This is a perforance piece and the people that will enjoy it the most are layman.
Message: Posted by: Lawrens Godon (Mar 26, 2007 08:11AM)
Hi Magicbuilder,

Will you include the historical sources in your book?

Thanks,
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Mar 26, 2007 11:26AM)
We will be giving some sources, but a lot of this stuff is new things that we created and appear in print for the first time. Most of this stuff has nobody to credit out of Jerome and myself since we created many of these new techniques.
Message: Posted by: Vinnie Laraway (Mar 26, 2007 04:30PM)
I just stumbled across this topic, and it sounds SWEEEET!!!!

I saw the pictures, and they look incredible!

I just have a question - I'm not sure if it was answered previously, and if it was, sorry...

How long (appx) will it take for the cloud to "form" into the selected number or card or what have you?

Thanks, and I'm sure I'll have more questions, because this is a very interesting piece of magic!
-Vinnie
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Mar 26, 2007 04:34PM)
Using my method, less than one minute.
Devin
Message: Posted by: bitterman (Mar 26, 2007 05:28PM)
With Cloudhopping, 59 seconds. Designed for those who can't wait a full minute. :)
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Mar 26, 2007 05:55PM)
Notice I said LESS than a minute, so that would be 59 seconds or less. You could do it faster, but do it too fast and it looks too easy.
Message: Posted by: bitterman (Mar 26, 2007 06:07PM)
Dang!
Message: Posted by: Hengky Ciptanegara (Mar 27, 2007 09:12AM)
Hype.. It's very common in these days.

C'mon guys.... remember "Retro gravity"
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Mar 27, 2007 10:25AM)
I wouldn't call this hype, I've had 23 successful items on the market since Retro Gravity was mentioned. All came out as promised and usually very close to to the projected time frame. I've had my reasons for holding back Retro Gravity. The book is done. It will be printed someday but not at the present.
Message: Posted by: Mental_Mike (Mar 27, 2007 04:41PM)
Devin,
When will Fore-Thought be released?? I've been wanting that since I first heard of it!

Mike
Message: Posted by: Vinnie Laraway (Mar 28, 2007 07:48PM)
Thanks for the info MagicBuilder! I really cant wait for this one to come out!

GET THOSE BOOKS PRINTED!!!!!!!!! =]

-Vinnie
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Mar 31, 2007 09:00PM)
Oh wow, can't wait for this book. I don't know how many times this has been said...but... I can't wait!
Message: Posted by: yachanin (Mar 31, 2007 11:36PM)
Hi Magicbuilder,

I don't recall if this has been asked (please forgive me if it has): can you shape a cloud so that it forms an outline showing the blue sky as a "diamond" (just for example), rather than shaping a cloud so the cloud is a diamond? Does that question make sense?

Regards, Steve
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Apr 1, 2007 06:19AM)
Steve,
This too is mentioned in the book. I understand exactly what you mean.

Devin
Message: Posted by: Nick-V. (Apr 1, 2007 09:17AM)
[quote]
On 2007-04-01 00:36, yachanin wrote:
Hi Magicbuilder,

I don't recall if this has been asked (please forgive me if it has): can you shape a cloud so that it forms an outline showing the blue sky as a "diamond" (just for example), rather than shaping a cloud so the cloud is a diamond? Does that question make sense?

Regards, Steve
[/quote]


[quote]
On 2007-04-01 07:19, magicbuilder wrote:
Steve,
This too is mentioned in the book. I understand exactly what you mean.

Devin
[/quote]

Sounds good.
Message: Posted by: Alan Patrick (Apr 1, 2007 01:59PM)
I know I missed this somewhere on this thread but...where exactly can I purchase this book?

Like everyone else I really cant wait til june to start doing this...just reading this entire thread is making me more and more excited! lol...
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Apr 1, 2007 07:41PM)
[quote]
On 2007-04-01 14:59, teamgreen wrote:
I know I missed this somewhere on this thread but...where exactly can I purchase this book?

Like everyone else I really cant wait til june to start doing this...just reading this entire thread is making me more and more excited! lol...
[/quote]

You should read this entire thread. You'll find interesting stuff. Book is not coming until June.
Message: Posted by: Vinnie Laraway (Apr 4, 2007 06:40PM)
That outline sounds real cool!

I have one more question, and just like before, sorry if it was asked already... If you have a clear blue sky, can you make clouds appear? (I know the opposite of that is explained, but just wondering about this.)

Thanks. =]
-Vinnie
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Apr 4, 2007 08:43PM)
Yes you can make clouds appear, I read it from Devin in the thread.
Message: Posted by: Xiqual (Apr 5, 2007 01:02AM)
[quote]
On 2007-03-27 11:25, magicbuilder wrote:
I wouldn't call this hype, I've had 23 successful items on the market since Retro Gravity was mentioned. All came out as promised and usually very close to to the projected time frame. I've had my reasons for holding back Retro Gravity. The book is done. It will be printed someday but not at the present.
[/quote]

Every Devin Knight product I have is excellent. I just recieved Paint can suprise and excalibur deck, glass box prediction and I am waiting for his new booktest, Double coincidence.

All go way above the normal instructions as background and directions. I think this book will be groundbreaking.
James
Message: Posted by: Roth (Apr 5, 2007 01:32AM)
[/quote]

I think this book will be groundbreaking.
James


Don't you mean cloudbreaking? Get it? Cloud breaking. You know like, it's a play on cloud busting, only I said breaking.

Rick
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Apr 5, 2007 06:52AM)
Roth, that could be a subject for a new book. GROUNDBREAKING--underground secrets for creating earthquakes and taking credit for them. Opps, that has already been done. A NJ psychic many years ago (mentioned in the Al Mann Limelight book)apoligized for creating an earthquake.

On second thought probably not a good idea, the insurance companies may want to sue us for all the damage.

On another matter, The Cloud Appreciation Society based in the UK actually strongly dislikes those of us who claim to be cloudbusters. They don't want us destroying nature's handiwork. I see on the net they have written letters to some acclaimed cloudbusters poo-pooing their efforts to destroy nature's beauty.

James, thanks for your kind comments. I think you will find Double Coincidence to be well worth the wait. I think HP will have these sooner than the end of April as I expect to be shipping some of these out before the end of next week.
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Apr 12, 2007 06:49PM)
Update here guys, not a product update but just a update. High chance this year I will be heading to Vegas again for a almost a week in mid-July. Cloudbusting will be on the top of my list to film and perform. Last year I didn't have any time to perform any magic, but this year... Sin City watch out!
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Apr 13, 2007 02:45PM)
Update again, planning to go to either Europe or Japan in the year of 09'. Cloudbusting will be a must in either of those places. Hope I can make Devin proud :)
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Apr 13, 2007 02:52PM)
I'm sure you will.
Message: Posted by: yachanin (Apr 15, 2007 06:51PM)
I'll be heading to London in May. Unfortunately, I won't have Cloud Busting by then. What a great place to have shaped some clouds. Actually, I just thought of a related question. Can Cloud Busting be used to shape fog or mist?

Regards, Steve
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (Apr 15, 2007 07:58PM)
Steve,

To answer your question . . . Yes and No. I'm sure that by applying the concepts and principles at work here, you could do MANY things with fog, including calling it to appear, and in my mind, to cause "beings" to appear in its depths.

In all honesty, my techniques were created and applied to clouds only. I mentioned that I use some of the PRINCIPLES to accomplish other things, such as in my "Moonshine" routine (moving stars and planets), to slowing a rushing stream of water, etc.

I would be happy to speak with you in depth via PM.

Kind regards,
Jerome Finley.
Message: Posted by: Vinnie Laraway (Apr 16, 2007 12:11AM)
Oh mannnnn!!! I can't wait for the release of this!

This stuff looks like and sounds like REAL MAGIC!

Please get those books and DVD's (if there will be a DVD) made!

Also, Devin, is there a demo video of this or can there be one made for us to see? =]

Thanks
-Vinnie
Message: Posted by: yachanin (Apr 16, 2007 10:44PM)
This is getting more and more interesting and exciting by the day. June will not arrive soon enough.

Regards, Steve
Message: Posted by: meyegr (Apr 18, 2007 06:47AM)
[quote]
On 2007-03-11 05:53, Roth wrote:
[quote]
On 2007-03-10 22:06, Christopher Williams wrote:
Finally, an effect for the people from the UK :D!!!
[/quote]
Dang! This will never work in Southern California! It's always clear cloudless skys and around 80 degrees. I hate that! :lol:
[/quote]

According to the description you should be able to make clouds appear
Message: Posted by: that_magic_guy (Apr 18, 2007 09:31AM)
This looks very cool I hope that it works
Message: Posted by: Jay Are (Apr 18, 2007 11:13AM)
Guys...

Jerome is a fantastic thinker. He has shared with me some of the mechanics of the cloud bust -- we have discussed this in private many times.

What is important about what he does -- he thinks everything through to the last detail.

Gaurenteed with this book -- you're not just going to get barebones, you will get thinking and idealogy that you will be able to apply to every facet of what you do.

From the sounds of it -- this book will be a classic...

Incredible material from an incredible thinker...

The "workability" of this stuff is huge -- imagine an earth shaking miracle you can unleash at anytime...

Any mystery performer will be able to find a use for this effect...

any mystery performer that wants to have an incredible reputation...

this is a spectacle that will create a very strong effect, and a very strong following...


This was unpromted by devin or jerome...

I am speaking 100% on my own accord...

I am in as much anticipation of this release as the rest of you...
Message: Posted by: Vinnie Laraway (Apr 18, 2007 12:46PM)
Excuse if this was asked before, but is there any gimmick that you need, or anything imparticular you need to accomplish these things? If so, does it come with the book/DVD, or does it tell you how to make it, or what?

And I'm also waiting for a response if there is a demo out, or if there can be one put out.

Thanks,
-Vinnie
Message: Posted by: Jay Are (Apr 18, 2007 01:00PM)
No gimmicks neccesary...
Message: Posted by: Jay Are (Apr 18, 2007 01:47PM)
The best demo is personal experience and testimony...

the effect of seeing someone do this live will shake you to your core...
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (Apr 18, 2007 03:31PM)
Jeff,
Thank you for the kind words and for expressing your own views regarding my effect.

MagicFace,
Working with the weather is an ancient practice. There are many sources to search online (orgone energy, Neil Slade's work, "Illusions" by Richard Bach, as well as what other performers have touched upon re: Al Mann, Kenton Knepper, Docc Hilford, Brother Shadow, as well as many other sources). I will also provide you with sources in the book. The idea of "cloud busting" is relatively NEW when considering the history of magic and mentalism, especially.

Vinnie,
No gimmicks are used in my routines. This is raw, ORGANIC magic and mentalism.

As far as the book and DVD goes . . . no DVD will accompany the book, unless Devin isn't telling me something. It has been agreed that to produce a high quality DVD right now will only take time away from getting the book released on time, and would also affect the cost, which is set to be fair.

As far as a demo video - not needed. I know you guys want one, and that's fair. I understand it, it's just not the way I intend to market or release my material. This is a book, not just an effect. There is much more in this book than how to present cloud busting and cloud related effects.

I have to agree with Jeff - the impact of seeing this in person is astounding. You will do it yourself (as practice) before you present it to others. Don't spoil it - no demo video of my effects will EVER be seen, hopefully :)

If you happen to be in my neck of the woods, I am happy to meet with people and show my effect.

I trust this answers some of your questions. I am free to answer others by PM.
Stay excited! This book is going to be fantastic!!!

Kind regards,
Jerome Finley.
Message: Posted by: Vinnie Laraway (Apr 18, 2007 05:40PM)
Jerome, thanks for the help!

So you mean to tell me this can be done anywhere, anytime, IMPROMPTU!? that's incredible!

I am SO anxious for June to arrive! =]
-Vinnie
Message: Posted by: chichi711 (Apr 18, 2007 07:59PM)
[quote]
On 2007-04-18 18:40, Vinnie Laraway wrote:
Jerome, thanks for the help!

So you mean to tell me this can be done anywhere, anytime, IMPROMPTU!? that's incredible!

I am SO anxious for June to arrive! =]
-Vinnie
[/quote]

Well you will need at least one cloud (for the cloud busting part that is). Jerome has shared with me the convincers he is putting in this book. Honestly I would buy the book just for that. They can help with any mentalism effect.
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Apr 18, 2007 08:17PM)
As long as there are clouds. But you can make clouds appear as well. Can you bust those?
Message: Posted by: Vinnie Laraway (Apr 18, 2007 10:05PM)
[quote]
On 2007-04-18 20:59, chichi711 wrote:
[quote]
On 2007-04-18 18:40, Vinnie Laraway wrote:
Jerome, thanks for the help!

So you mean to tell me this can be done anywhere, anytime, IMPROMPTU!? that's incredible!

I am SO anxious for June to arrive! =]
-Vinnie
[/quote]

Well you will need at least one cloud (for the cloud busting part that is). Jerome has shared with me the convincers he is putting in this book. Honestly I would buy the book just for that. They can help with any mentalism effect.
[/quote]

that's sweet!! Thanks!
Cant wait!

-Vinnie
Message: Posted by: Psy-Kosh (Apr 19, 2007 09:19PM)
For the actual cloud hackery, as opposed to the psychological stuff, to really deeply understand it, do I need to study anything else?

ie, this stuff sounds awesome, and I plan on getting this book, but I want to give the material the respect it deserves. Should I also be finding and attempting to understand metorology and fluid dynamics texts?

Either way, eagerly awaiting it. :) (*"are we there yet" voice* Is it published yet? how about now? now?

Okay I'll wait...

Is it later yet? ;))
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Apr 19, 2007 09:35PM)
The month of June..where are you?
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (Apr 19, 2007 10:35PM)
[quote]
On 2007-04-19 22:19, Psy-Kosh wrote:
For the actual cloud hackery, as opposed to the psychological stuff, to really deeply understand it, do I need to study anything else?

ie, this stuff sounds awesome, and I plan on getting this book, but I want to give the material the respect it deserves. Should I also be finding and attempting to understand metorology and fluid dynamics texts?
[/quote]

Psy-Kosh,
Great questions. Everything you need to know in order to properly present cloud busting IS IN THIS BOOK (from mechanics to presentation and subtleties). Within its pages, we teach you how to practice cloud busting and everything you will need to know in order to accomplish the effect.

Thank you for thinking in advance though! If this kind of careful planning and commitment to a routine passed through every magician or mentalist who considered reading a new book, learning from a DVD or purchasing a new effect, magic would be a lot different!

Let's be real for a sec; more learning and study is never a bad thing. There are many areas of study which can contribute to the effect and application of cloud busting. However, everything you need in order to get started has been included in the book. If you never had another source on the subject, this one would be more than enough.

I doubt I could ever say all I think and feel about cloud busting in any number of books or pages. We each did our best to make sure the work was all inclusive, using the methods that we ourselves employ.

I trust that you will enjoy it.

Best,
Jerome.
Message: Posted by: Psy-Kosh (Apr 19, 2007 11:11PM)
Thanks. ^_^ As I said, bouncing in impatience here. :)

Main reason why I was asking is I realized that when we were discussing the thing I had in mind, you said that your stuff could be used, but one would have had to really mastered the principles.

ie, thought about it a bit, and took it to mean that for this I'd need to go farther than just knowingthe mechanics, that I'd need to have a deep understanding of the physics, psychology, or whatever the principles involved are. Not just how to do it, but a understanding of why it works.

If it's all in there, well, so much the better.

Is it June yet? :)
Message: Posted by: Jay Are (Apr 20, 2007 09:21PM)
This will be gold...
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Apr 21, 2007 02:56PM)
I'm starting to love cloudy Washington :)
Message: Posted by: bryanlonden (Apr 30, 2007 09:58PM)
I've got an interesting question. If you vanish clouds in the sky, will more sunlight pass through? If you make clouds appear, will there be more shade?
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Apr 30, 2007 10:24PM)
I've been wondering this myself.
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (May 1, 2007 12:27AM)
[quote]
On 2007-04-30 22:58, bryanlonden wrote:
I've got an interesting question. If you vanish clouds in the sky, will more sunlight pass through? If you make clouds appear, will there be more shade?
[/quote]

Yes and yes. I have busted clouds that shroud the sun for groups people on many occasions. If the clouds you gather are large enough to create shade, then yes, it can have that effect as well.

Personally, I prefer to bust the clouds.

I trust this answers your question.

-Jerome.
Message: Posted by: bryanlonden (May 1, 2007 08:32PM)
Yes it does. Wow, I really can't wait for June to get here. I'm ready to start reading :)
Message: Posted by: Carron (May 2, 2007 05:02PM)
This is going to be awesome :)
Message: Posted by: VcosNJ (May 2, 2007 05:28PM)
Yes, June is a month away. I can see myself driving down the road and seeing an Ace in the cloud (must be someone else busting) :)
Message: Posted by: bryanlonden (May 3, 2007 12:01AM)
I want to cloudbust the bat signal?? This would make me feel like I have super powers. One more month, I can't wait!

Perhaps you can write I Heart (girl's initials). Next thing you know you have some kids to take care of.
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (May 3, 2007 12:07AM)
Lol a bat signal. LOL I SAY!!
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (May 6, 2007 01:10AM)
How's the book going so far guys?
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (May 6, 2007 02:26PM)
[quote]
On 2007-05-06 02:10, Blindside785 wrote:
How's the book going so far guys?
[/quote]

The book is great and is on schedual for its release :)

Best,
J.
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (May 6, 2007 03:07PM)
Good to hear, thanks. So excited! I've already put my money aside for this. I keep re-reading the thread. Stuff sounds so insane when reading it. Can't imagine how insane it will be seeing it.
Message: Posted by: Mental_Mike (May 6, 2007 06:15PM)
[quote]
On 2007-05-06 16:07, Blindside785 wrote:
Good to hear, thanks. So excited! I've already put my money aside for this. I keep re-reading the thread. Stuff sounds so insane when reading it. Can't imagine how insane it will be seeing it.
[/quote]

ME TOO!
Message: Posted by: bryanlonden (May 6, 2007 09:23PM)
Seriously guys, imagine performing a birthday party and having the child's name appear in a cloud. Can you say "reputation"?
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (May 6, 2007 10:49PM)
A birthday cake, numbers, clown face, balloon animals, cards, dragons, etc. will be much easier to do in a cloud than a child's name. It can be done, but it is more advanced and maybe not so much for children.

-J.
Message: Posted by: Mental_Mike (May 7, 2007 05:25AM)
Too cool
Message: Posted by: Lawrens Godon (May 10, 2007 02:39AM)
Hi,
Would it be possible to bust the ESP symbols?
I think they are pretty much basical shapes, but did you try to do them?
Thanks,
Message: Posted by: bryanlonden (May 10, 2007 11:34AM)
It's May 10th. June is right around the corner. I think I'm going to go to sleep a few hours earlier each night so it gets here faster.
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (May 10, 2007 01:32PM)
[quote]
On 2007-05-10 03:39, lawrens wrote:
Hi,
Would it be possible to bust the ESP symbols?
I think they are pretty much basical shapes, but did you try to do them?
Thanks,

[/quote]

Lawrens,
Yes. The ESP shapes and symbols are very easy to do. I have applied the principle to runes, having one drawn from a bag and seared into the sky.

Cheers,
Jerome.
Message: Posted by: Lawrens Godon (May 10, 2007 01:54PM)
Thank you Jerome...
Message: Posted by: PuffyDragon (May 17, 2007 03:32PM)
This sounds toooo good.
I gotta see this.
Count me in on opening day.
Message: Posted by: Robert Apodaca (May 17, 2007 04:45PM)
Can you vanish a cloud?
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (May 17, 2007 05:12PM)
[quote]
On 2007-05-17 17:45, Robert Apodaca wrote:
Can you vanish a cloud?
[/quote]Yes, Read the whole thread please...All the pages.

--------------

Anyways...it's almost time guys :)
Message: Posted by: gmmagic124 (May 17, 2007 05:32PM)
Counting down the days, hours and minutes.
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (May 17, 2007 06:49PM)
Hehe if only we knew the exact date
Message: Posted by: Louis.P.M (May 18, 2007 01:21PM)
Does this have anything to do with "Orgone" energy?
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (May 18, 2007 02:42PM)
No, other than a possible source for inspiration in presenting the effect.

Best,
Jerome.
Message: Posted by: Louis.P.M (May 18, 2007 03:03PM)
Phew..I was afraid it was some sort of pseudo-science/new age thing.
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (May 18, 2007 03:06PM)
It's a new way to pass FDA approved drugs to people....my dog told me!
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (May 18, 2007 03:07PM)
No, it may be presented that way, of course. However, there are actual methods involved and these do not employ the "real" direction of energies.

Best,
Jerome.
Message: Posted by: Louis.P.M (May 18, 2007 08:24PM)
Cool, I'll be able to start my own religion.

But seriously, for 40$ I think I'll buy it just to know what it's all about. I just hope I won't be wasting money.
Message: Posted by: THEGUY26 (Will Swanson) (May 18, 2007 08:35PM)
This will definantly be one of the best things released! You got my money!
Message: Posted by: Tim Jahn (May 19, 2007 08:55PM)
Just read through all 8 pages of this thread. I'll definantly be picking this up!
Sounds great!
Message: Posted by: Vinnie Laraway (May 19, 2007 09:24PM)
Hey Jerome, hope everything is coming together nicely for the (sleightly unknown) release date! =]

I'm back with a few more questions.. Heh:

Can you do this while inside a house or bus looking out the closed window?
Is this something that you need to practice and perfect, or what are the details on getting your desired shape or something?
Can you do this impromptu, spurr of the moment or will you need "something"?
Can this be used to do both showing the spectator the cloud forming into the shape, and also shaping the cloud without them even knowing, and then haveing them turn around to see it?

I hope none of these are too upfront or anyhing.

Thanks a lot man!
-Vinnie
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (May 19, 2007 11:55PM)
I've asked the same basic question myself in a pm. The answer to question #1 is Yes.
Message: Posted by: THEGUY26 (Will Swanson) (May 20, 2007 12:36AM)
This is just amazing. Expect this to be on the 4th season of Mindfreak.
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (May 20, 2007 01:39AM)
No thanks...I would hate that.
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (May 20, 2007 03:05AM)
[quote]
On 2007-05-19 22:24, Vinnie Laraway wrote:
Hey Jerome, hope everything is coming together nicely for the (sleightly unknown) release date! =]

I'm back with a few more questions.. Heh:

Can you do this while inside a house or bus looking out the closed window?
Is this something that you need to practice and perfect, or what are the details on getting your desired shape or something?
Can you do this impromptu, spurr of the moment or will you need "something"?
Can this be used to do both showing the spectator the cloud forming into the shape, and also shaping the cloud without them even knowing, and then haveing them turn around to see it?

I hope none of these are too upfront or anyhing.

Thanks a lot man!
-Vinnie
[/quote]

Vinnie, great questions! Question number 1. Yes, thanks Blindside :) I have busted a cloud on a televised golf game. You can do it inside, in a car, outside, whatever. It is not restricted much in that sense.

Is this something you need to practice? Of course. You will need to apply the principles yourself, and pick and choose from the myriad of techniques that Devin and I explain IN DETAIL. Remember, this is one of my pet effects. I want you to do it justice.

With that said, there are no "instant" magic box miracles, though a good read through of the book will give you 98% of everything you need. This thread will light up with posts of people doing this right away. Like I have said, it is simple, but not always "easy".

Can you do this impromptu, spur of the moment? Yes, absolutely (well, you need a cloud!). This is the way I do it, this is the way you will do it. I developed my work and routine to be impromptu, yet elicit maximum responses and impact upon those who witness it. Results will vary, as with all things. I will say this . . . cloud busting MY WAY, even at its worse is still a minor miracle.

For MAXIMUM effect, I recommend something that can be purchased for a few dollars at any local food, drug or health store. That is all I will say. The routine does not need to be done with this "extra", though I do prefer it as it makes the impact much stronger. In my street ready cloud busting routine (which I do all the time), it is just you and the participants and the cloud. Nothing else!

Regarding watching/seeing the cloud shift and shape into different objects . . . it really depends on what you're doing, and for the most part, yes. You can (and should) watch it take place. It depends on the complexity of the object called for. You will understand as you read the book. Watching the cloud form and become deformed is my preferred method.

I trust this helps you :)

Cheers,
Jerome.

P.S. The book is still on for June (late). It really depends on how fast it gets back from the proof readers and printers.
Message: Posted by: THEGUY26 (Will Swanson) (May 20, 2007 01:19PM)
How long does it take for aa cloud to change? Does it depend on the size?
Message: Posted by: Roth (May 20, 2007 01:57PM)
"How many mentalists does it take to change a cloud?"

One, but it has to want to change.
Message: Posted by: Vinnie Laraway (May 20, 2007 02:45PM)
Thanks fof the great responses, Jerome! I'm definetly, without a doubt picking this one up!

And Jerome, you and Devin really deserve credit for staying in this thread and answering EVERY question that was shot at you guys, and answering them with great detail instead of a simple yes or no!

Thanks again!
-Vinnie
Message: Posted by: The Mac (May 20, 2007 04:41PM)
One question


//// ||= ||E || ||? WHEN WILL THIS BE RELEASED?
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (May 20, 2007 04:51PM)
Late June, next month
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (May 20, 2007 05:05PM)
Man, I am so pumped you guys do not even know!! I told my brother who is going away to to WSU in August I'll do something awesome and something he'll remember, yep cloudbusting :).

I need to get Ultrasmoke 2000 (+blank face cards so I can do a color change to a blank face card and use US2k and reveal the the card has gone into the clouds) and Rainmaker for this! :)
Message: Posted by: MagicBrent (May 20, 2007 05:48PM)
Maybe this was int the 9 threads...was there a preorder? I'd like to know it's ordered and on the way!!! (I know it's still May, but it's nice to know it's a-comin'!)
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (May 20, 2007 06:06PM)
[quote]
On 2007-05-20 18:48, MagicBrent wrote:
Maybe this was int the 9 threads...was there a preorder? I'd like to know it's ordered and on the way!!! (I know it's still May, but it's nice to know it's a-comin'!)
[/quote]Read....all...the pages....
Message: Posted by: THEGUY26 (Will Swanson) (May 20, 2007 06:27PM)
[quote]
I need to get Ultrasmoke 2000 (+blank face cards so I can do a color change to a blank face card and use US2k and reveal the the card has gone into the clouds) and Rainmaker for this! :)
[/quote]

Ha, that's an awesome idea!
Message: Posted by: socter (May 22, 2007 04:04AM)
I have a question.

must the cloud be directly under you to perform or do can you perform as long as you can see the cloud?
Also if you are doing it for one person can the people on the opposite side see what you are actually doing?
Message: Posted by: T,im Dawson (May 22, 2007 12:31PM)
As long as they don't actually hear the magic words you are saying you can do anything .
Yes I to look forward to this book and will buy a copy! But I don't thik we are all about to become Mastes of the Elements mind you?
Message: Posted by: T,im Dawson (May 22, 2007 12:49PM)
Hi Socter,
I am sure someone will be able to answer your question.
Cheers
TJD
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (May 22, 2007 12:52PM)
Socter,
The cloud may be anywhere in the sky, it does not have to be directly above you.

People "on the opposite side" would simply see a cloud dissolve and disintegrate.

Cheers,
Jerome.
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (May 22, 2007 02:45PM)
Yes, it can even be on a LIVE TV sports cast. As long as you can see the cloud you can do this anywhere.
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (May 22, 2007 09:39PM)
Jeez you guys are good with answering questions :)
Message: Posted by: djrdjr (May 23, 2007 12:07AM)
[quote]
On 2007-05-22 05:04, socter wrote:

must the cloud be directly under you to perform[/quote]

If the cloud has to be [i]under[/i] me, I'm afraid that's a deal-breaker. :)
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (May 23, 2007 04:58AM)
[quote]
On 2007-05-23 01:07, djrdjr wrote:
[quote]
On 2007-05-22 05:04, socter wrote:

must the cloud be directly under you to perform[/quote]

If the cloud has to be [i]under[/i] me, I'm afraid that's a deal-breaker. :)
[/quote]

I guess you guys never heard of WALKING ON CLOUDS :)
Message: Posted by: Christopher Williams (May 23, 2007 07:46AM)
Ok, here is an idea for a question, can you supposedly make a pretend gun with your fingers (We've all done it at some point), and then get them to watch a cloud, as you pretend to shoot a bullet or something from your fingers and a hole will materialise in the cloud where you supposedly shot at it?
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (May 23, 2007 11:18AM)
That is an excellent idea and I will add it to my part of the book. Thanks for the suggestion.
Message: Posted by: terrick (May 23, 2007 11:47AM)
Wow, this is going to be incredible! Is there anything that is NOT possible with this book? (a joke, of course. you don't need to answer that). I, too, want to thank you for keeping up with the thread and answering so many questions. I'll be one of the first in line for this, even if I have to sell a kidney or something.
Message: Posted by: Y2John (May 23, 2007 01:51PM)
Same here!
Message: Posted by: Vinnie Laraway (May 23, 2007 02:53PM)
Christopher Williams! GENIOUS! That sounds so cool and so realistic! Great thinking! =]

I love how Devin just jumped right in and said he will put that in the book with no thinking required in his decision! HAHA!

This is definetly ALREADY a candidate for the Best Book of 2007!

=]
-Vinnie
Message: Posted by: Christopher Williams (May 23, 2007 06:07PM)
[quote]
On 2007-05-23 12:18, magicbuilder wrote:
That is an excellent idea and I will add it to my part of the book. Thanks for the suggestion.
[/quote]

I'm sure with full credits as well :P Haha! Can't wait for this to come out, suspense is killing me, it's summer here and it is actualy sunny with a few clouds, would be perfect to perform now
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (May 23, 2007 06:53PM)
Even after all this time, cloud busting still feels like real magic to me :)

I busted a huge cloud this afternoon for a small group while waiting for snow-cones. The results never cease to amaze me, and the feeling of satisfaction is a great one.

I hope you will all enjoy this work as much as I have.

-Jerome
Message: Posted by: Mental_Mike (May 23, 2007 08:14PM)
I know we will. I wish I had it right now....
Message: Posted by: Bill Douglas (May 23, 2007 08:32PM)
I read a book from a friend a couple of years ago. It was by David Shuttleworth and it had a short section in it on cloudbusting. I thought it was a bunch of hooey but I tried it any way. The caveat is that one has to be confident that they have the power to make it happen. Since I have a sort of grandiose aire of confidence I took a He-Man "by the power of Grey Skull" approach and just went for it. I peered at a decent size white puffy cloud...and erased it out of the sky. I was totally floored, but it made a believer out of me.
I have done it for family and a few friends, but every time I was called a freak or warlock or something similar. This skill will certainly give one a reputation. I only practice this from time to time to keep it alive for myself. This skill, if quoted in testimonials and demonstrated occasionally, can be very powerful. My personal opinion is that it is such a remarkable appearing feat it should be saved for special occasions(or when one needs to get tongues wagging about them).
Could you imagine if Criss Angel or David Blaine do this in their next TV spot what would happen?

I will be in that line to buy the book because I want to build on this knowledge (I am very intrigued about the cloud forming skill).

Please publish soon!
Message: Posted by: BRodgers (May 23, 2007 08:57PM)
This sounds tooo unbeleivable.

This I gotta see.
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (May 24, 2007 12:11AM)
[quote]
On 2007-05-23 08:46, Christopher Williams wrote:
Ok, here is an idea for a question, can you supposedly make a pretend gun with your fingers (We've all done it at some point), and then get them to watch a cloud, as you pretend to shoot a bullet or something from your fingers and a hold will materialise in the cloud where you supposedly shot at it?
[/quote]Wow this effect can be achieved!? Wow, bang bang!!
Message: Posted by: VcosNJ (May 24, 2007 07:36AM)
A few more weeks until June, then there'll be a whole lot of cloudbusting going on. Well, hopefully, not too many doing it. :)
Message: Posted by: Chris Oberle (May 24, 2007 09:51AM)
10 pages on this.

I'm ready.
Message: Posted by: Vinnie Laraway (May 24, 2007 03:46PM)
Oh man, I really can't wait for this to be released! =]

A few more questions though, as we wait... LOL.

1. Say you just revealed a number or something in the cloud, and the cloud has formed its shape into the shape of the number... How long (appx.) will the figure stay in the sky before it kind of loses its shape and fades back together with the other surounding clouds?
2. How slow of fast will it take to make the image appear in the sky if you want to do it FAST? (Lets say soemthing as simple as an "A".

that's all for now.

Thank guys!
-Vinnie
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (May 24, 2007 05:41PM)
My, there have been A LOT of questions. I appreciate them, and am happy to answer them, but let's steady out for a few! The book will be released soon, and then there will be no more questions. :)

Vinnie,
A revelation like the one you mentioned could either be instantaneous, or, it could take a few minutes. You can do it both ways.

-Jerome.
Message: Posted by: magicman899 (May 24, 2007 09:14PM)
Wow this sounds great. Can't wait till the release.
Message: Posted by: wise owl (May 25, 2007 12:20AM)
Never ending questions for a good tricks I supposed!

I also have a few question about the book and the trick. What type of trick is this exactly?

I mean, is it mental trick similar to Kenton's 'action of imagination', a physic/chemical tricks similar to rainmaker or optical illusion like Tenyo's blue glass?

Or other? pls define.

thank you
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (May 25, 2007 12:48AM)
[quote]
On 2007-05-25 01:20, wise owl wrote:
Never ending questions for a good tricks I supposed!

I also have a few question about the book and the trick. What type of trick is this exactly?

I mean, is it mental trick similar to Kenton's 'action of imagination', a physic/chemical tricks similar to rainmaker or optical illusion like Tenyo's blue glass?

Or other? pls define.

thank you
[/quote]

OK- (exhausted) . . . What kind of trick (eek, ouch!) is this? Consider it PK; mind over matter. Think along the lines of metal bending, moving time on watches, rotating a compass needle = bursting a cloud. I use it often with routines such as pulse stopping and invisible touches. It is impromptu, organic and powerful.

Not to be rude, but I'm not quite sure how this information will help you . . .

Kenton Knepper's "Act of the Imagination" is actually only presented by Kenton and was written by Enrique Enriquez who also wrote the forward for the cloud book. It's not like Rainmaker, as no apparatus is involved with the routine. It's not an optical illusion either, the cloud actually vanishes.

Guess you'll just have to wait ;)

Best,
Jerome.

P.S.
Devin, have we left anything out? LOL!
Message: Posted by: DJP (May 25, 2007 02:51AM)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/801609.stm

Government Involvement with Cloudbusting!

Dave
Message: Posted by: joseph (May 25, 2007 10:13AM)
Does this work as well on stratocumulus and nimbostratus,
as well as altocumulus and cirrostratus clouds? .. :) ...
Message: Posted by: terrick (May 25, 2007 10:14AM)
Well, that article taught me one lesson: Don't perform this for the government. They'll want to get ahold of the book, and then the whole world will know about it! Either way, I also want to mention that I think the bat signal is the coolest idea so far..
Message: Posted by: LWright (May 25, 2007 12:05PM)
[quote]
On 2007-05-25 11:13, joseph wrote:
Does this work as well on stratocumulus and nimbostratus,
as well as altocumulus and cirrostratus clouds? .. :) ...
[/quote]

:)
Took long enough for someone 'in the know' about weather(well, clouds) to come in :P
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (May 25, 2007 12:39PM)
DJP,
Nice link. Thanks!

Joseph,
Very funny :) Everybody thank him for doing your homework ;) This type of information is actually very useful to a cloud buster.

Cheers,
Jerome.

To answer the question, yes, it can be done with all these cloud types, although the cirro's are more rare around here right now, of course (warm/hot).
Message: Posted by: gdw (May 25, 2007 12:50PM)
I'm gonna assume e do NOT need a plane and dry ice, lol.
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (May 25, 2007 03:02PM)
Just a plane ;)

-J.
Message: Posted by: wise owl (May 25, 2007 03:36PM)
What else can your effect move, or shapeshifting? sun, moon? or make the 9 planets align?
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (May 25, 2007 04:06PM)
[quote]
On 2007-05-25 16:02, TT2 wrote:
Just a plane ;)

-J.
[/quote]

Stop the PM's! I was kidding, of course. Come on guys . . .

Owl,
The work in this book covers CLOUDS :)

I can and do cause planets to dance wildly in the night sky, shooting stars, reversing eclipse's and so on. The work is called "Moonshine", you can read of one person's reaction to this legendary effect elsewhere in this thread.

That particular routine (as well as stream bending and waterfall reversing) will not be covered at all in this book. As said before, those who are interested in these effects will find some of the groundwork via "Cloud Busting: The Inside Secrets". The very most basic principles are the same. It would be a long shot to create a workable method based on what Devin and I teach you here, but it would be a great start.

Best,
Jerome Finley.
Message: Posted by: Ben Stolz (May 25, 2007 07:51PM)
Any further news on this yet?

Ben
Message: Posted by: chichi711 (May 25, 2007 08:49PM)
[quote]
On 2007-05-25 20:51, Ben Stolz wrote:
Any further news on this yet?

Ben
[/quote]

LOL you posted this 3 hours after Jeromes last post.
Message: Posted by: socter (May 25, 2007 09:47PM)
Is there any chance that it will be released by july?
I hope it is. Looks like a revolutionary effect. Waiting eagerly for it
Message: Posted by: Vinnie Laraway (May 26, 2007 01:29PM)
Socter, it's being released late June.

And guys, I have another question. Not one having to do with cloudbusting, but the book.

How is the book going to be sold? Only through you guys, distributed to Hocus Pocus and other shops, or what?

Thanks!
-Vinnie
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (May 27, 2007 06:30AM)
Murphy's Magic will be distributing the book, but Jerome and I will have a limited amount of copies available from direct from us.
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (May 27, 2007 05:40PM)
Does Murphy's distribute to certain online shops? Because only dealers can purchase from Murphy's. I guess I'll just be buying from you guys then.
Message: Posted by: THEGUY26 (Will Swanson) (May 27, 2007 07:53PM)
How long does it take the cloud to form?
Message: Posted by: zachdotcom (May 27, 2007 09:41PM)
This sounds awesome. I haven't bought any magic stuff in a long time, but this sounds too good to pass up.
Message: Posted by: Ben Stolz (May 28, 2007 08:37AM)
Does the cloud actually form visually? Can you control the speed at which it is formed?

If those two are yes, I'm getting out my wallet. :)

Ben
Message: Posted by: socter (May 28, 2007 08:41AM)
Just a teeny weeny question...does this method work every time? and does the weather matter?
Message: Posted by: MagicBrent (May 28, 2007 10:40AM)
I'm curious about that too. Having had Ben Harris's Hole in the Head and having to have "certain conditions", I was wondering what limitations you had.
Message: Posted by: Lawrens Godon (May 28, 2007 11:43AM)
Read the whole thread, most of these questions have been answered...
:o)
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (May 28, 2007 01:56PM)
Thanks, lawrens.

All of these questions have already been answered. If some of you won't read the thread ABOUT the routine and effect, chances are slim you won't read the entire book. If that's the case, mine and Devin's effect is not for you.

Again, I'm not trying to be rude or short with people, but this is a pet effect of mine for over a decade and I want it in the right hands. The book is limited in numbers and I know that all of the available copies will sell out fast.

Yes, the weather matters. You are working with clouds.
No, it is not 100% In all fairness, cloud busting is very psychological in presentation, it will take a strong, competent performer to make it work well. It is not difficult though, and presented properly can further help your career and reputation in BIG ways.

You can control the speed at which the cloud forms using a variety of methods, all explained in detail and also, through presentational angles. You are very free in performance. Cloud busting is everything you hope it will be.

Regarding conditions, this is NOTHING like "Hole in the Head" by Ben Harris. Ben is a very creative man, and I do like his work. Hole in the Head was not an effect that worked for me. Cloud Busting is much more free in presentation, effect, no set-up, no gimmicks, no odd positioning of self or spectators, etc. The two routines are so extremely different, it makes little sense to compare them, although one could use them together in rather interesting presentations.

The Guy26, Your question was asked by Vinnie and answered by myself just one page back. Please read the entire thread :)

Yours,
Jerome.
Message: Posted by: MagicBrent (May 28, 2007 03:50PM)
TT2, thanks for your patience in answering my questions. I'm looking forward to it a great deal.
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (May 28, 2007 08:39PM)
MBrent,

My pleasure :)

-Jerome.
Message: Posted by: dengez (May 29, 2007 10:35PM)
[quote]
On 2007-05-28 14:56, TT2 wrote:
All of these questions have already been answered. If some of you won't read the thread ABOUT the routine and effect, chances are slim you won't read the entire book. If that's the case, mine and Devin's effect is not for you.
[/quote]
What exactly is this "CloudBusting" you all speak of? :)

-Dengez
Message: Posted by: Amade3us (May 29, 2007 10:44PM)
[quote]
On 2007-05-29 23:35, dengez wrote:
[quote]
On 2007-05-28 14:56, TT2 wrote:
All of these questions have already been answered. If some of you won't read the thread ABOUT the routine and effect, chances are slim you won't read the entire book. If that's the case, mine and Devin's effect is not for you.
[/quote]
What exactly is this "CloudBusting" you all speak of? :)

-Dengez
[/quote]

I'm not sure, Dengez. I've scanned the thread and I think it has something to do with moving the planets.

-Dustin

(Just kidding of course, Jerome.)
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (May 30, 2007 02:34AM)
It's nice to see people taking my comments with the light-hearted nature in which they were intended. If someone has a legitimate question or concern, please feel free to PM Devin or myself.

Also, thanks to the many of you who have stayed with us during this thread, keeping up and exchanging. Your support of this work is very much appreciated.

June is almost upon us and cloud busting is not too far away :)

Best,
Jerome.
Message: Posted by: Psy-Kosh (May 30, 2007 07:41PM)
"Are we there yet?" :)
Message: Posted by: Sparda (May 30, 2007 09:34PM)
Okay. I just finished reading the whole thread.WOW! This sounds awesome! I can't wait but I guess I'll have to...
Message: Posted by: Vinnie Laraway (May 31, 2007 04:27PM)
Tomorrow marks the first day of June! CloudBusting'sa'comin!

Devin & Jerome, can we start the countdown? GIVE US AN EXACT DATE IN JUNE!!!! =]

LOL, sorry, I . . . Need . . . To . . . Knowwwwwww . . .

=]
-Vinnie
Message: Posted by: joseph (May 31, 2007 08:44PM)
They may be a little "foggy" on the release date... :) ..
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (May 31, 2007 09:25PM)
It will be soon. It really depends on the proof readers work and how fast we can get the book back from the printer. My portion has already been sent off, and Devin's is not far behind.

Thanks for your patience :)

-Jerome.
Message: Posted by: Hengky Ciptanegara (May 31, 2007 10:28PM)
I'm not so sure this effect will be out. Sounds like Hypne. It's like de ja vu for me when I read this post. Like Retro Gravity post or Invisible step post or whatever it is. To much pages without anything to prove it.

Maybe we want some demo to prove it...
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (May 31, 2007 10:37PM)
No demo, shush. Read the ENTIRE thread before you go on a rant of this bad voodoo hype you speak of. There are pictures. Reliable Devin Knight who has been releasing killer prediction effects and things of that sort. So yeah...blehhh

Pictures on the bottom of the first,and second page of this thread I think.

And it's not just an effect...it's a myriad of effects and methods.

You think it's all hype, you don't need to buy it then :) More sky for me lol
Message: Posted by: Phil Thomas (Jun 1, 2007 02:08AM)
WOW! :wow:

I've read through all of these pages. I'm SOLD. Devin, please let us know the release date. I'm itching to get my hands on a copy of this book. This sounds like FUN!

:cheers:

Phil
Message: Posted by: Vinnie Laraway (Jun 1, 2007 04:00PM)
[quote]
On 2007-06-01 03:08, Phil Thomas wrote:
WOW! :wow:

I've read through all of these pages. I'm SOLD. Devin, please let us know the release date. I'm itching to get my hands on a copy of this book. This sounds like FUN!

:cheers:

Phil
[/quote]

I was sold by page 1. :jump:

LOL. =]

And concerning the hype issue, I thought the same thing, but honestly, I think this is going to be 100% hype-free! We have two reputable Café members that have stood by our sides to answer any and all questions that came their way, and that sold it for me - a second time. =]

-Vinnie
Message: Posted by: THEGUY26 (Will Swanson) (Jun 1, 2007 04:37PM)
I am not sure if this was answered, but does this involve some crazy scientific method?
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jun 1, 2007 09:38PM)
No scientific methods.
Message: Posted by: THEGUY26 (Will Swanson) (Jun 1, 2007 10:30PM)
Is it something so simple that I would think "Why didn't I think of that"?
Message: Posted by: Bill Douglas (Jun 1, 2007 10:33PM)
This is not some scientific thing or chemical. It is not hype either...well some people will think they can become wizards and call the clouds to dance around in the sky like little pixies like a Disney animated movie. I have only erased clouds from the sky and made holes in them.

The movie "The Fisher King" has a scene in it where the characters move clouds around and stuff if one wants to see a little taste. I am very interested in this book and am positive I want to buy it and use techniques to increase my skills and build a routine or two involving this magic.

This can be done and it is the closest thing to real magic one will probably ever do. It takes confidence and belief because one has to focus and concentrate.

If you want to do something like this....just by the book. How many of us have spent around 50 bucks for magic and never did it or found out it is impractical, or worse yet pure crap. This skill is a gem if an extensive book with decent research and motivation to help a practitioner do Cloudbusting then it will be worth purchasing.

For any mentalist (or any performer for that matter) this probably can do as much or more to make a reputation for them than a blindfold drive. (how's that for going out on a limb).
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Jun 1, 2007 11:42PM)
The one your talking about I believe is the occult method. There are many methods in the book to cloud bust.
Message: Posted by: THEGUY26 (Will Swanson) (Jun 2, 2007 01:47PM)
He said no scientific methods, and Orgone Energy is scientific. If you use Orgone Energy to bust clouds, it can take up to ten minutes. And that is because you aren't really busting the cloud, it just goes away on it's own. Clouds are always fading away. This whole thing will be totally different.
Message: Posted by: Bill Douglas (Jun 2, 2007 03:21PM)
Ok, I concede. TheGuy26 is right this book must not be based on science according to the author (who makes money on the sales I believe). Orgone Energy is physical or perhaps somewhat spiritual. It is the closest thing to "the force" of Star Wars fame one may witness in our galaxy. Is that a better way to explain it?

If Orgone energy is not the method used what pray tell is it? I said it was not scientific or chemical in my earlier post because it doesn't involve cloud seeding or lasers or the like. Dr.William Reich was the earliest studier of these Orgone pnenomenon ( emphasis phenomenon). He was scoffed and ridiculed by the scientific community in the first half of the 20th century (1930's-1950's) and was actually prosecuted by the F.D.A. and sent to prison. He died in prison two years after his conviction in 1957. So scientific would probably not be a term appropriately used, especially by the traditional/empirical scientific community.

Dr. Rolf Alexander M.D. a psychiatrist termed the ability as para-psychology (some scientists post 1950's called it pseudo-science) and gave demonstrations to the media and other spectators.

"According to Rolf Alexander, who said he could cause cloud dispersal through concentration, the prefrontal lobe of the brain radiates "some unknown form of energy". To demonstrate his theory of "creative realism", Alexander staged a demonstration in Geneva Park, Canada on September 12, 1954. The event was covered by a Canadian Press reporter and published in the Niagara Falls Evening Review the next day. From 2:09 to 2:17 that afternoon, Alexander claimed to use his "creative realism" to dissipate three clouds, the first in just three minutes. The cloud's dispersal was photographed and published by the CP reporter." --- from Wikipedia

Search terms such as Rolf Alexander, orgone energy, cloudbusting, book titles; "Creative Realism", "The Power of the Mind" by aforementioned Alexander.

The time it takes to bust a cloud depends on its size, density, and ability of the perfomer. One can make holes in the cloud, erase it, or change its shape. I personally have erased small fluffy clouds in 3-4 mins (not 10). Why per se does the cloud chosen by someone else disappear and all the other clouds around it not change? This can all be done on a still day when clouds in the area can be observed as lingering rather still. I have done this, witnessed by others, not dreaming; using orgone energy principles and techniques.

Read the research article published at this link on a university (.edu) website:

http://www.fpc.edu/pages/academics/behave/psych/web95-1.htm

If one needs to read more about this from a work previously published by a magician/ mentalist see David Shuttleworth's "Mindblowing Mentalism: Deluxe Professional Edition 2".

Guy, I am not trying to dash your or anyones dreams or disillusion anyone from their hope that this new book will not be great and deliver what it promises. In all my research for this topic I have not found anything that promises to be a complete compilation of performing great things with clouds such as "Cloudbusting:The Inside Work". But please do not become delusional that this will be anything more than what the authors profess in earlier pages of this thread ('been around for 100's or 1000's of years, and the real work on performing this abilty' paraphrased.) BUT I COULD BE WRONG about the general principle involved - this new work could be a courageous journey into new and unprecedented N.L.P. or hypnotism, or such.

I will buy this book because I am pretty sure that it will be the "go to" source for the real work from guys that perform Cloudbusting well. I am totally supportive and behind the authors of the book which this thread is about and am not disclosing how to do this by mentioning the principle (if in fact it is the exact same one the authors mention or use). It is obsure and a bit arcane and if orgone energy is the principle, requires extensive research for them to study let alone put together a book that teaches others how to do such a seemingly miraculous feat.

Bill Douglas- R.N., B.S.N., M.S.N.
Message: Posted by: THEGUY26 (Will Swanson) (Jun 2, 2007 03:59PM)
I am pretty sure Orgone energy is not how this is done. That is how normal cloudbusting is done, but not this. He said it can be done instantly.
Message: Posted by: Louis.P.M (Jun 2, 2007 04:56PM)
Questions regarding orgone energy was already asked and answered on page 9.
Message: Posted by: THEGUY26 (Will Swanson) (Jun 2, 2007 05:05PM)
Yeah, I knew it wasen't Orgone.
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jun 2, 2007 06:26PM)
For completeness, in section 3 I deal with Orgone Energy, both Jerome and I fully believe in and use Orgone Engergy, but this isn't the only method we use. The first two sections deal with every known bit of trickery possible to do cloud busting. I cover the basics in the first section: Cloudbusting 101. In the 2nd section, Advanced Cloud Melting Techniques, Jerome deals with more advanced forms of trickery and even includes some NLP and hypontic stuff along with down right trickery. IN the third Section, I deal with the known occult, new age methods that seem to really work. Finally in the 4th section, I briefly touch upon a so-called cloudbusting device that will vanish clouds. We cover all ground in this book from the impromptu to the more advanced. There is little about Cloud Busting we don't disclose. Jerome and I have written every technique we have used over the years.

I can assure you, even if you have been busting clouds for years, you will find new ideas you haven't thought of.

Devin
Message: Posted by: THEGUY26 (Will Swanson) (Jun 2, 2007 06:41PM)
Will this work everytime with everyone?
Message: Posted by: socter (Jun 2, 2007 09:48PM)
[quote]
On 2007-06-02 19:41, THEGUY26 wrote:
Will this work everytime with everyone?
[/quote]

This question was answered one page back. by Jerome

"No, it is not 100% In all fairness, cloud busting is very psychological in presentation, it will take a strong, competent performer to make it work well. It is not difficult though, and presented properly can further help your career and reputation in BIG ways."
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (Jun 2, 2007 11:08PM)
Let me put a lot of the speculations to rest right now. As socter quoted me, cloud busting is not a 100% sure-fire effect, but what would you expect for such a gigantic feat??? I can assure you that it has been good enough for me to use in my own paid, professional work for over 12 years now. It's also one of the most talked about and requested pieces I perform.

Cloud busting is very bold. If you like using psychological techniques to enhance your effects, this is for you. Those of you who prefer to use strong, bold and direct methods will have a near perfect routine here. I liken it to other bold and beautiful routines such as PK Time, PK Touches, Prevaricator, For Andruzzi and also Jermay's "Twisted Palm" reading, among others.

I do have a number of orgone and tachyon devices, and I'll sometimes include these instruments in my cloud busting "workshops" as a fun way to further explore the phenomena. The only routine I did not include is my performance piece with a crystal skull. This is the only thing I am keeping to myself, and for the reasons of; I don't think many of you own a 2,500 year old quartz skull. Also, not to blow my own horn, but this particular routine is extremely advanced and few people without my unique background and training could ever make it work. It relies heavily on mysticism, orgone energy and NLP, and a lot happens besides cloud busting during my routine.

So, let's discuss what happens when the effect doesn't go quite as planned. I can say that it will never totally bomb; you will never be left in a situation of complete failure, in fact, even your "misses" (for lack of a better word) can appear remarkable. There will always be strong phenomena and occurences taking place with our routine. Further, you're going to find a lot of tools, techniques and suggestions that will make anything you perform even more powerful.

The effect can appear instantaneous through dual reality, framing and presentation. We are not giving you a magic word that will instantly cause clouds to vanish. I think we need to bring some REALITY back to this thread.

In the book, I have included my 5 minute (or less!) "street ready" cloud busting routine for ANY cloud. Remember, cloud busting is a performance piece. I enjoy taking my time when allowed, and it doesn't matter if I take 1 minute to bust a cloud or 10. In the end, if the result is miraculous, the participants experience true magic and astonishment and everyone is happy, who cares? This is not a routine you should look forward to chopping through quickly. Take your time, relish in the MAGIC.

Far too often, I feel magic and mentalism lacks appropriate build up, drama and theatre. This can be one of the most powerful things you can show a person or group of people. I love cloud busting, because it allows for a real connection with the audience during the effect. Human interaction is so empty these days, and it often shows in our magic. One trick after another, bam-bam-bam, a few short minutes later, we move on. I hate that. Cloud busting can be a deeply personal and moving experience, one that people tend to retain years and years after the fact. How many of your impromptu routines can boast such a thing?

I had plenty of reservations in releasing my work on the subject, and they are all coming screaming back to me now. If people want to show off and make it all about you, or you simply want to vanish a cloud instantly without reason or meaning, this book will not suit you well. I'll save you the money right now ;) This is not another Ellusionist or Penguin magic trick (no offense).

I'm trusting that mine and Devin's work will find a great home within the magic fraternity. There have been a lot of wild speculations made as a result of this thread. I would not worry about what cloud busting is or is not, or what it can and cannot do or how fast. It plays just as good as it reads and is one of the strongest things I work with.

I trust this will help to clear some things up, as I don't want anyone disappointed in the work. Know these things going in, and it will be a splendid journey!

Kind regards,
Jerome Finley.
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jun 3, 2007 07:41AM)
For those looking for a QUICK fix, I will say that my Card in the Sky revelations can be done in less than a minute. Personally I like to take a bit longer for proper build-up but if you are looking for a quick cloud effect that doesn't take 3 to 6 minutes, then you will get it with the Sky Revelations.

Those wishing to make a cloud vanish in a few seconds will be disappointed. Then again you don't want to make a cloud vanish in a few seconds. This is a major feat that looks impossible. You want to build it up, make it look difficult.

A prime example are the Chriss Angel TV shows. Sometimes he spends the entire show building up what he is going to do in the last minute. The build up is what sells it.

In the book Jerome gives some excellent techniques for creating a build-up before the trick even happens. This makes the effect appear even more incredible once it happens.

In most magic we don't tell them what we are going to do, otherwise the surprise is gone and they may be looking for the method as we do it. The exact opposite is the case with Cloud Busting. We plainly tell them what we will do, and how we will do.

The rules for being a good speaker:

1-Tell them what you are going to tell them.
2-Tell them
3-Tell them what you just told them

These rules apply to cloud busting:

1-Tell them what you propose to do
2-Vanish the Cloud
3-Reinforce what you just did
Message: Posted by: Nathan Alexander (Jun 3, 2007 01:06PM)
Having followed this thread loosely, I really, really appreciate Jerome's post above.

I am very happy that he's laid it down like this. By clearly saying what it is and what it is not, you've done an honest and credible thing to this community.

This release will be absolutely excellent for some, and not so much for others. The difference now after all these pages is (more than) enough information has been given to distinguish where you ought to stand. A thoughtful consumer can't ask much more than that.

We owe you a lot for your time and indulgence on your work. :)
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jun 3, 2007 01:31PM)
Jerome is finished with his section of the book, I am almost finished with mine. I've decided to add in a new section and reveal secrets I hadn't planned on. CONTROLLING THE WEATHER. If clouds control the weather, and you can apparently control clouds, then you should be able to control the weather.

You apparently can with the secrets I am adding in. Jerome covers this briefly in his section, but I'm adding in some HARD CORE real world solutions that will apparently give you the ability to stop rain. Delay snows and other things. Let's say someone has booked you for a outdoor party this weekend and the forecast says rain. She is worried, you tell here you'll delay the rain till the next day. The party day comes and it is dry and the rain comes the next day DESPITE what the weather forecast says.

Let's say the weather forecast says it will SNOW today. You tell your friends you will keep it from snowing. It doesn't snow that day even though the weather forecast is calling for snow!

No doubt some of you will say this is impossible. Not really. I share with you methods I have used over the years. These are not pipe dreams, but workable solutions that will convince people you are a master of elements.

Jerome explains in his section how a lady called him during Katrina and asked for his help. Jerome explains how her house was left standing while others were destroyed. A true story by the way.

Many of you will marvel at this information and will be amazed how easy it is to convince your family and friends you can control the weather.

This information appears in print for the first time and many of the methods have never been revealed to anyone before. This could have been a separate release but I have decided to add it into the book since it deals with clouds.

devin
Message: Posted by: terrick (Jun 3, 2007 02:05PM)
[quote]
On 2007-06-03 00:08, TT2 wrote:This is not another Ellusionist or Penguin magic trick (no offense).[/quote]

Ha, even better! The release book is what gives me the motivation to go to work every morning so I can be prepared to buy it when it comes out. And your last couple responses have made it even more intriguing. Sometimes I just read over this thread when I'm bored. Sad but true story. This is my most anticipated book of the year (and I'm an English major).
Message: Posted by: Vinnie Laraway (Jun 3, 2007 02:27PM)
WOW! You guys are really doing something great for the magic community!

I have really enjoyed reading your last few in-depth posts and want to say thanks again.

Devin, now your spoiling us! LOL! CONTROLLING THE WEATHER!? Your the man! And I can't wait to hear the Katrina story as told by Jerome! This sounds like a true miracle!

All the best to the both of you,
-Vinnie
Message: Posted by: Pete Legend (Jun 3, 2007 03:34PM)
I think Perception is a key word..its all about what the audience thinks they see.Im a huge fan of PK Time and PK Touch not so much Luke's pieces but different horses for different courses :) I read a few pages and lol people were getting a touch carried away...nobody can move clouds,though Im sure Jerome and Devin will give you the tools to make it appear that you can :) Sounds utterly "cool" ;)
Message: Posted by: Mental_Mike (Jun 3, 2007 05:23PM)
Will this still be released at the end of the month??
Message: Posted by: Vinnie Laraway (Jun 4, 2007 01:04PM)
Since the word suggestion came up, and it has to do with effects like For Andruzzi, can this be done solely for yourself, and you can see the cloud take shape?

Thanks,
-Vinnie
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (Jun 4, 2007 02:47PM)
Vinnie,
It sure can. I love busting clouds for myself while driving or sitting at the computer. It's a great exercise and fun too. I was with my girlfriend at the dentist on Saturday. I busted clouds for those in the waiting room. The responses from people are always the same . . . absolute amazement, through and through. I was asked for my business card and one gentleman there has already called me.

In the waiting room, a mother stood astonished as the clouds disintegrated in front of her. She was holding her daughter, showing her! I'm not sure the child quite understood it (she was only 4 or 5, I think), so I asked the little girl what her name was, "Tasha" she replied. Ok Tasha, will you point to one of those clouds??? She looked at me blankly, and then pointed at the sky. "Tasha, what's one of your FAVORITE things? She smiled, "Ice cream". I asked, "Do you like ice cream cones?" She just smiled and nodded. I asked her to close her eyes and think of her favorite flavor . . . when she opened them, her cloud was an ice cream cone. "Mama! LOOK!" I finished by telling her that if she was very good at the dentist, that perhaps mom would take her for a pink ice cream cone (that was her "flavor" :) ) That woman asked me for two cards. The staff was smiling, wondering what was going on . . . my girlfriend finished up and we left. Simple, direct, extraordinarily effective.

If there are clouds in the sky, I love to bust them for people. Anytime, anywhere.

You can do this for yourself, and like I said, it's great fun. I'm not doing magic and mentalism for others, I'm doing it for me!

Cheers,
J.
Message: Posted by: terrick (Jun 4, 2007 02:56PM)
[quote]
On 2007-06-04 15:47, TT2 wrote:
I love busting clouds for myself while driving or sitting at the computer.[/quote]


That's scary! I hope I never drive near you on the highway! Just kidding, this sounds like great entertainment. I've been looking for something fun to do at work when I get tired of trying to move things with my mind.
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (Jun 4, 2007 03:22PM)
LOL! Busting clouds while driving is much safer than talking on a cell phone!!!

I can't stand that. Actually, I've heard that they are making a law against driving and using a mobile phone. Good for them!!! It really is one of my pet peeves. It seems my better half waits until I get in the car with her to send text messages and place her calls. My knuckles turn a nice white color as I grip the seats while she drives :) :) :)

-J.
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jun 4, 2007 05:55PM)
Me, too, I developed my skills in Cloud Busting on the long drives between shows. You just have to focus on the clouds in front of you on the horizon. It's very safe and will amaze the people in the car with you.
Message: Posted by: Phil Thomas (Jun 4, 2007 06:14PM)
Is there a set realease date for this book yet? I'm chomping at the bit here. ;)
Message: Posted by: johnnymystic (Jun 4, 2007 07:14PM)
Have you tickled your anterior amygdala today?
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (Jun 4, 2007 08:47PM)
I have :) But, that's not what this book is about. Neil Slade's work is very interesting though.

Re: a release date. Devin will have to answer that question. As we have both mentioned, he has my portion (as do the editors, proof readers) and he is nearly finished with his, just giving you guys a bit more!

Peace,
Jerome.
Message: Posted by: Vinnie Laraway (Jun 5, 2007 10:36AM)
Jerome, thanks for the reply! That story put a smile on my face!

Can't wait for this to be released!!! =]



Just came across this clip of Luke Jermay. I think it's a preview of his upcoming TV show that I've been hearing a little about. And I think I remember (correct me if I'm wrong), you guys (Jerome and Devin) talking about this being used on a future TV show. (Or I may just be going crazy thinking about Cloudbusting too much).

Heres the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siG7zhpTF2E

Could this be cloudbusting in a different form?

Thanks,
-Vinnie
Message: Posted by: johnnymystic (Jun 6, 2007 12:26AM)
I busted 3 clouds today...tis an awesome thing indeed.
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (Jun 6, 2007 01:02AM)
Vinnie,
Luke's routine is very clever, but it does not use cloud busting/sculpting as the method. Of this, I am very sure :)

If I'm not mistaken, this routine is from one of Luke's limited releases.

Best,
Jerome.
Message: Posted by: socter (Jun 6, 2007 01:10AM)
Hey guys,

I was just wondering...Do you need good artistic skills to sculpt a cloud like the picture of a woman?
Message: Posted by: johnnymystic (Jun 6, 2007 01:26AM)
Hahahahahhahahahahahahahhhaahahahaha!

Of course you do.
Message: Posted by: socter (Jun 6, 2007 03:11AM)
Hmm...Can I get a word from the creators? Pardon my doubt.
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Jun 6, 2007 07:47AM)
Read the Entire thread, seriously.
Message: Posted by: socter (Jun 6, 2007 07:51AM)
I have already read the whole thread twice. Perhaps I missed that part out.
Message: Posted by: terrick (Jun 6, 2007 01:24PM)
Aww, I had a whole response typed out and forgot to enter my username/password, so it got erased. But the very abridged version goes something like this:

Socter, you're right. I reread the thread (again) and found no answer. I guessing and hoping not, but if it does require artistic talent, you could always stick with busting and clearing rather than sculpting. Which is what I'd have to do too because I'm a terrible artist. Good question, though!

The rest was just something about being reminded that the book will only be $25-40 and being glad that I can pay off my other debt now instead of putting aside more money for the book.


Terrick
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (Jun 6, 2007 05:31PM)
Socter,
In order to gain the most from cloud sculpting, a good imagination and some creativity will go much further than raw artistic talent. I can't draw a stick figure, but can create beautiful pictures in the sky. Don't worry about it.

-Jerome.
Message: Posted by: Vinnie Laraway (Jun 6, 2007 08:14PM)
Jerome, thanks for clearing that up! I stink at drawing! LOL.

:dance:

=]
-Vinnie
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Jun 6, 2007 08:36PM)
Hehe I stink at drawing as well, good thing to know. I've been following this thread very closely. Something that will hit hard and leave people dreaming and inspired to do the impossible. That is something that I have been always dreaming of and now it's possible ;) Your story with Tasha sounded amazing!
Message: Posted by: socter (Jun 6, 2007 08:58PM)
Hey terrick,
Thanks for rereading the whole thread to answer my question. I really appreciate it.
And thanks Jerome for clearing that up.
Message: Posted by: Vinnie Laraway (Jun 7, 2007 11:02AM)
Just think: The newest form of cheating on a test: Send your answers to the clouds for your other students to look out the window and see.

HAHAHA!

If you were to get caught, what would be the first thing your teacher would say? =P

-Vinnie
Message: Posted by: mikethemagish (Jun 7, 2007 05:01PM)
Is this real or what? Being able to move clouds and stuff seems like one of those things people hear about but come on let's be realistic. I am curious though, just like the other thousand people reading this thread.

magish for life
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Jun 7, 2007 07:40PM)
It's very real.
Message: Posted by: Phil Thomas (Jun 7, 2007 11:09PM)
You can read a little about cloudbusting by following this link

http://www.neilslade.com/cloud.html

I haven't tried it yet, but on the next nice day that we get in my neck of the woods, I just may give it a try. Can't wait to read the book though. This little article doesn't even come close to what is being talked about in this thread.
Message: Posted by: johnnymystic (Jun 7, 2007 11:36PM)
I had a hard time with it today, I had to visualize making a cloud...and doing it, before I could make one vanish.
Message: Posted by: yachanin (Jun 8, 2007 09:55AM)
How does one "click your amygdala forward"?

Regards, Steve
Message: Posted by: naquada (Jun 8, 2007 10:05AM)
The trick is more how to click your amygdala in public without being arrested.. the rest is simple!!
Message: Posted by: Lawrens Godon (Jun 8, 2007 01:41PM)
From a cloud point of view, a few days ago I witnessed this:
[url=http://o.pticalillusions.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/mammatus-clouds.jpg]Mammatus clouds[/url] (just forget the blue color, it was a stormy day, and those rounded clouds were very very near)...that was awesome, and I immediately wondered if I could bust them!

...Just to share a rare phenomena, at least in Corrèze, France!

^^
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (Jun 8, 2007 02:25PM)
Wow, those are some gorgeous clouds! Thanks for the link.

There is a very rare phenomena called a "fire rainbow" that takes place when certain amounts of ice and light come together in the sky. Very rare but remarkable!!! Here is a link (thanks Rick, love ya man!)

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a124/lollepoppup/060619-rainbow-fire_big.jpg

I'll say this; the most amazing clouds to bust I have ever found were in Rome, Italy.

Those things were GIGANTIC! I've never seen such huge clouds in all my life, they were an absolute joy to work with!

-Jerome

P.S. Neil Slade's work is very good from a presentational point of view, but is not the method for cloud busting (though I feel it can help, really!!!)
Message: Posted by: Lawrens Godon (Jun 8, 2007 03:30PM)
Jerome, if I tell you I can't wait to discover your book, would you believe me?
Lol!

Thanks for the link, this is fantastic sky!!

The [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mammatus_cloud]Mammatus clouds[/url] I saw where likely the second picture in this article...Their pouch-like stucture was completly amazing ^^ I was quite hypnotized by their proximity, so beautiful to watch...

That's the second time I see one of these, first time the mammatuses were really far at the horizon...

^^
Message: Posted by: houston_3721 (Jun 8, 2007 03:32PM)
Hi everybody, I am new here. I am so interested in this whole "Cloudbusting". I've read all the posts here in this thread and think it's the closest to real magic.

I read some articles about orgone energy but I don't understand the statement "click my amygdala forward"?

I also got some questions about the methods/ideas in this book.

1.Is it much easier to use those methods than using orgone energy to bust/"change" the cloud?

2. can all of us (or most of us) make it possible, unlike the use of orgone energy needs some strong and calm characters?

3. Also, from what I read from the posts, I think we can like actually vanish/produce/change clouds. And it's like they are real clouds because the can give shades. So is it possible to make a somewhat cloudy day sunny, to prevent it from raining? (sounds fantastic but impossible...but I do think anything is possible in magic!)

Thank you very much.

And I think it would be romantic to make a heart with a cloud up in the sky. SO sweet. :)
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jun 8, 2007 07:01PM)
The book contains, fake and trick methods to vanish and apparently change clouds.
There is also a short section Orgone energy for those who wish to experiment. Frankly I use both trickery and Orgone. The trickery methods for revealing cards in the sky is much faster and reliable than orgone. The reader can pick and choose. If you are a skeptic, you will not believe in it. So be it. You don't have to as the majority of the book uses trick methods and not orgone energy.

Devin
Message: Posted by: houston_3721 (Jun 9, 2007 06:14AM)
Thanks Devin. :)

I am really interested in orgone energy and even more excited in learning the trick methods. The trick methods seem more reliable and practical. If we want to buy directly from you, how can we do so?

Thanks again.

ps. I am from Hong Kong and sorry for my poor English.
Message: Posted by: Vick (Jun 9, 2007 07:40PM)
Hmmm

I'm more than a bit skeptical

If I'm reading and understanding correctly the amyhdala isn't something you "click forward", seems to be functioning all the time

http://biology.about.com/library/organs/brain/blamygdala.htm

and

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amygdala


as for the video linked from the previous page looks like normal cloud movement to me and this all sounds like a nice way of wrapping that movement into a routine (not to say it wouldn't be a great bit, however when something sounds to good to be true)

Once again my gift for the obvious stands out
Message: Posted by: THEGUY26 (Will Swanson) (Jun 9, 2007 07:55PM)
Hey, houston_3721, you have better English than some people. And how would the cloud naturally turn into a card?
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (Jun 10, 2007 01:23AM)
[quote]
On 2007-06-09 20:40, Vick wrote:
Hmmm

I'm more than a bit skeptical

If I'm reading and understanding correctly the amyhdala isn't something you "click forward", seems to be functioning all the time

http://biology.about.com/library/organs/brain/blamygdala.htm

and

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amygdala


as for the video linked from the previous page looks like normal cloud movement to me and this all sounds like a nice way of wrapping that movement into a routine (not to say it wouldn't be a great bit, however when something sounds to good to be true)

Once again my gift for the obvious stands out
[/quote]

Vick,
Nice to have you on board with the discussion! The more the merrier :)

With all due respect, "cloud busting" is not too good to be true and NOT obvious. We have so many methods, tools and techniques at work here, it would be near impossible to reverse engineer and/or duplicate the effect. It's a wonderful bit of business and one that I am extremely proud of.

Also, as I said before; the amygdala is NOT the method, but something that I find extremely interesting from a presentational standpoint.

Go well,
Jerome Finley
Message: Posted by: Sparda (Jun 10, 2007 11:20PM)
Oh dear. Controlling the weather?! That sounds a little... out there... how big of an area can you controll? can I keep postponing the rain? I still can't wait for the book though. Its already June 11. Any word yet on when we'll see this released?
Message: Posted by: socter (Jun 11, 2007 12:12AM)
Yea a release date will let me sleep peacefully. Any chance of release before the 21st? My local supplier ships from murphys every 21st. If it is released later, I will have to wait another month
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (Jun 11, 2007 01:31PM)
It will definitely NOT be before the 21st, but we are working as hard and fast as possible to bring you the work in a timely fashion. IF it is delayed, it will not be delayed long . . . most of what happens now is not under mine or Devin's control . . . the editor's and proof readers, printing press, etc.

Socter, you can reserve a book direct from either Devin or myself, that way you will not have to wait an extra month.

Also, I think most ALL of the copies that I will have available are already spoken for. Please PM again to make sure your name is on my list for a personal copy.

NOTE: THIS IS NOT A PRE-ORDER! It will reserve you a book however, signed and personalized to you, of course.

Thanks for your understanding and patience. It will be worth it! Let mine and Devin's activity during this thread be an indication of the commitment, caring and appreciation we each share for our customers, supporters and the magic and mentalism fraternity. We have done our best to be with you guys the entire time AND this will not change!

Best,
Jerome.
Message: Posted by: Lawrens Godon (Jun 11, 2007 02:38PM)
Yeah Jerome, that's great, this way we'll be able to contribuate with both of you in our future rare clouds bust!!
^^
Thank you so much for your commitment!
(please check I'm on your list!)
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (Jun 11, 2007 03:16PM)
Lawrens,
Yep, I have you down :)

-J.
Message: Posted by: socter (Jun 11, 2007 08:31PM)
Thanks mate. How much ever I would like to reserve a product with you, I am concerned about the shipping costs...Thanks for all the commitment you and Devin have shown. I appreciate it!
Message: Posted by: Rick (Jun 11, 2007 08:51PM)
Jerome..hold one for me bro....looking foward to seeing this!
Message: Posted by: Sparda (Jun 11, 2007 09:24PM)
Do you think that it'll be availabe by the 27th? I'm going away and I really want to have it!
Message: Posted by: houston_3721 (Jun 12, 2007 07:30AM)
Jerome, I know I'm new here and you don't know me at all, but I really want to put my effort in studying this book. However my main concern is that I am from Hong Kong. If I am to buy one from you, can I pay with a credit card (via paypal maybe?) ?
(And a friend of mine immigrated to the US and he has a US credit(debit) card, so is it more convenient for you if he uses that card to pay?)

Otherwise, I don't think I will be able to buy it here in Hong Kong.
Thanks a lot!
Message: Posted by: Tim Jahn (Jun 12, 2007 04:16PM)
This sounds awesome. Just read through all the pages (Took a while) and I think I'll have to pick this up when it's out.

Tim
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (Jun 12, 2007 05:13PM)
Houston,
PM me. We'll be able to work something out for you.

Regards,
Jerome.
Message: Posted by: IlDaDe (Jun 12, 2007 07:23PM)
I've read all the topic.
I am amazed. Just sent a pm to Jerome.
Thanks
Message: Posted by: J Hanes (Jun 12, 2007 08:15PM)
It's great to see that this information is finally being compiled together. This is one of those things that I've always thought _felt_ like real magic. Congratulations.
Message: Posted by: Lawrens Godon (Jun 14, 2007 11:22AM)
Salut, Jerome and Devin!

Did you ever perform for scientific/skeptic people?
If yes, how did they react?

^^
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (Jun 14, 2007 03:24PM)
Lawrens,
To answer your question, YES!!! They are a very interesting bunch to work with. I've PM'd you.

Justin,
Thanks for your words of encouragement and support. It is very appreciated!

Cheers,
Jerome.
Message: Posted by: Lawrens Godon (Jun 14, 2007 04:35PM)
I would have been there to enjoy their faces!!
Fantastic!
^^
Message: Posted by: Ryan_B_Magic (Jun 15, 2007 12:09AM)
WOW I am speechless about this but how much time effort and money is it going to take to build this device
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jun 15, 2007 02:51AM)
You don't need to build a device, this stuff is done impromptu. We do tell you how a device can be built, but you don't need it.
Message: Posted by: fishwasher (Jun 15, 2007 10:33AM)
:)

I'm sooo excited about this....
Message: Posted by: Lawrens Godon (Jun 15, 2007 01:08PM)
Hey, Fishwasher, are you the same that cjdotorg ?
^^
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jun 15, 2007 02:48PM)
The book is still basically on schedule and it in the proof reading stages. I added in one last bit. I teach you how to do this LONG DISTANCE. Yes you can call a friend on their cell phone, have them go outside and PICK a cloud, as they watch you make the cloud vanish via the CELL PHONE, even though you may be across town or across the country. 100% practical and the secret is completely described in the book.

Yes I teach you in the book, how to not only vanish clouds while in person, but over the phone, clouds seen on TV shows and even a way for an INDOOR restaurant magician to do cloud feats while table hopping. New venues never before thought of revealed.

It's all in the book folks, the most complete information on cloud magic and ways to use it that has never been thought of before. You guys have good reason to be excited. Jerome and I will show you things NEVER thought of before involving clouds.
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jun 15, 2007 02:56PM)
Jerome even teaches you a clever bit called SMUDGE. It's the vanish of a cloud not in minutes but MERE seconds. You simply pass your hand in front the spectator's eyesthe blocking the view for a second. Instantly the cloud is gone! It appears you wiped it (like a smudge) from the sky!!! As I said before, there are NEW ideas in this book that even veteran cloud busters will not have heard of before.
Message: Posted by: Lawrens Godon (Jun 15, 2007 03:18PM)
Wow!!
Totally awesome...both of you are tremendous contributors in the field of amazement!
Absolutly can't waiiit.
^^
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jun 15, 2007 03:31PM)
One other thing...some people claim Street Magic doesn't exist. They say you just can't go up to perfect strangers. Well you don't have to. In this book I am going to teach you a PROVEN technique that I've used hundreds of times. When you do this, you can walk down the streets of any city and ALMOST INSTANTLY get a small crowd of 20 to 30 people watching you vanish a cloud. I've even gotten as many as a hundred people in less than 5 minutes watching me vanish a cloud.

There is NO REJECTION, because with this technique you APPROACH NOBODY, not a single person, yet you will have 20 to 30 people around you in minutes watching you vanish a cloud. Sound impossible? It's not, in fact you will be amazed at just how easily you can stop a crowd of PERFECT STRANGERS in a matter of moments. All eager to watch your cloud busting abilities.

If you have ever dreamed of being able to have a crowd of perfect strangers watching you do magic, then this will worth the price of the book to you. You have no fear of being brushed off. With the technique they will APPROACH you, believe it or not.

This is totally impromptu, no signs, no gimmicks or equipment. You see a cloud you want to vanish, and INSTANT AUDIENCE, guaranteed!
Message: Posted by: Phil Thomas (Jun 15, 2007 04:33PM)
Sounds great!! I really can't wait to give this a read. Sounds like a real winner guys!
Message: Posted by: knickz4lyfe20 (Jun 15, 2007 05:18PM)
Jerome and Devin,
Can we get a rough release date?
Message: Posted by: Sparda (Jun 15, 2007 05:22PM)
Or an exact date. That would be great also :) I really can't wait anymore! So close...
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Jun 15, 2007 06:55PM)
This is awesome, thanks Devin and Jerome for the great add-ins. This book will be a gem I'm sure.
Message: Posted by: Ryan_B_Magic (Jun 16, 2007 12:43AM)
Over the phone that is good I am going to be the first to buy it you know a release date
Message: Posted by: fishwasher (Jun 16, 2007 08:33AM)
[quote]
On 2007-06-15 14:08, lawrens wrote:
Hey, Fishwasher, are you the same that cjdotorg ?
^^
[/quote]

yup!

:)


Over the phone sounds so cool...
Message: Posted by: Lawrens Godon (Jun 16, 2007 09:06AM)
Never in my magical life I felt so exciting waiting for a magic book to be released!!
That's a lifetime fun tight pack...
^^
Message: Posted by: Vinnie Laraway (Jun 16, 2007 11:53AM)
WOW! You guys are really spoiling us now!! You add method after method after method to this book! You guys are great!!

I just have one quick question... Will there be a fair bit of pictures and/or diagrams/illustrations in the book, or all words? (I just hate reading books with all words. LOL, but I'll still read this if it's only words. =])

-Vinnie
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (Jun 17, 2007 12:38PM)
The support on this thread has been very welcome. Thanks again to everyone who has been involved!!!

Devin will announce a release date ASAP, there are still just a few minor details that are being hammered out and everything is more or less right on schedual. Your patience has been appreciated.

It looks like I will be travelling to work over seas when the book is released. However, those who have reserved a copy from me will get it via my assistants, so no worries! :)

Since my time at home is rather limited for the next few months, I will be as active as possible with the time I am allowed.

On another note, Luke Jermay has received a sneak peek of the book . . . here is what he had to offer,

"I can honestly say I was bowled over by this work. To see someone really examine and refine an area of mentalism that has pretty much remained ignored for so long was a real treat. You will understand the basics in no time and soon be on your way to performing some great and inspiring takes on a forgotten effect."

Luke Jermay.

Cheers!

-Jerome Finley.
Message: Posted by: Mental_Mike (Jun 17, 2007 05:25PM)
Awesome! Can't wait!
Message: Posted by: fishwasher (Jun 18, 2007 02:16AM)
[quote]
On 2007-06-17 18:25, Mental_Mike wrote:
Awesome! Can't wait!
[/quote]

can anybody... :)
Message: Posted by: Vinnie Laraway (Jun 18, 2007 12:30PM)
That sounds great! Do either of you guys plan on doing some lectures around the US? (Just a question I've been meaning to ask. =])

Waiting for that release date,
-Vinnie
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jun 18, 2007 12:42PM)
Actually I will be doing a lecture tour next year. I'm already set for one convention in June 2008. I've also had an offer from Europe, but I need more than one to make a European Lecture Tour feasible. We'll see what develops.

Devin Knight
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jun 18, 2007 07:37PM)
Richard Osterlind has just finished reviewing the draft of the book before we send it to the printers. Here is what he had to say:
[quote]
Cloud Busting Secrets by Devin Knight & Jerome Finley is a must have! When Devin asked me to review this book, I had to tell him that cloud busting was part of my
repertoire since Al Mann and I discussed it after he published Mental-Ettes
over 30 years ago. I have used it occasionally and it is about as BIG an
effect as anyone could want. When done properly, it can leave an audience
speechless!

Devin and Jerome have examined every nuance of cloud effects and gives totally practical advice for pulling them off. In addition to the actual methodology, they give you a ton of related material from which to draw upon. This is information
you will want to have and which could make a reputation for you. Get this!

Richard Osterlind

[/quote]
Message: Posted by: terrick (Jun 18, 2007 08:18PM)
I'm going to start losing sleep over this book pretty soon...
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jun 18, 2007 08:21PM)
Opps I made a mistake when I was typing Richard's quote. I wrote gives instead of give. The second paragraph should read:

Devin and Jerome have examined every nuance of cloud effects and give totally practical advice for pulling them off. In addition to the actual methodology, they give you a ton of related material from which to draw upon. This is information you will want to have and which could make a reputation for you. Get this!

Richard Osterlind
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jun 18, 2007 08:23PM)
I'm already losing sleep trying to make sure everything is completed in time for the deadline. Right now Michael Weber is reviewing the book and his comments will appear in the next few days.
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Jun 18, 2007 08:40PM)
What's the deadline? :) Late June?
Message: Posted by: Vinnie Laraway (Jun 18, 2007 09:28PM)
Now you know were close to the release date when the writers are giving us semi-reviews! :jump:

And Devin, I would LOVE for you guys/or individually to lecture at my SAM 161 Ring!! (See my signature)

-Vinnie

PS, I want to know the actual release date as well. :)
Message: Posted by: Ryan_B_Magic (Jun 18, 2007 11:13PM)
The Luke Jermay said that? You guy are just making me want this more and more
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (Jun 18, 2007 11:38PM)
I have just finished reading the full, completed work ( combined, edited and proof read) and signed off on it. It's ready to print! Give Devin a few days to make sure everything is completed to his standards and he will announce a release date. For those of you who have purchased and use Devin's routines and products, you know the attention to detail he provides.

I am so very honored by the initial responses to the work from Richard Osterlind and Luke Jermay.

One thing that may excite you guys is, Luke gave his comments after reading just my portion of the book. Even he has not seen all that Devin has offered here (tons of top notch info, methods and presentations!!!). I had not even seen it all before tonight (most of it though), and I am most impressed! The book is everything I knew it could, would and should be. Devin is even tipping some things I had no idea about . . . likely because he knew I would beg him not to include it, LOL!!!

Also, many thanks to Paolo Cavalli, Enrique Enriquez and others for their support, insight and friendship during this time. I am forever grateful.

With the release drawing near, there is a lot of excitement and anticipation brewing. It's so nice to work with a professional like Devin and to have such fantastic people with which to share our material.

Thanks to all of you!

Warm regards,
Jerome Finley.
Message: Posted by: Sparda (Jun 19, 2007 12:03AM)
Excellent! Thanks for keeping us updated. You two have really outdone yourselves!
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jun 19, 2007 05:58AM)
I have held NOTHING back in this release. Yes I put in things at the last minute that even Jerome didn't know I was going to tip. This includes VOODOO CLOUD where you pick a cloud and draw an outline of it. You erase the outline and the cloud vanishes. Another is called Reverse Voodoo---you draw a picture of a cloud, the basic outline of a cloud chosen. You give the person the drawing. As you make the cloud vanish, the drawing slowly begins to fade while you say:AS Above, as below. Not only does the cloud vanish but so does the drawing of it. However Jerome's favorite is the first version, as you erase sections of the pix, the cloud breaks up the same way and the cloud finally vanishes once the entire picture is erased.

The GYPSY CLOUD SWINDLE is the effect some of you saw me do outdoors at the 2007 Mindvention. This cloud presentation alone is WORTH THE PRICE of the book. It's an interesting presentation based on a true gypsy swindle. One of the most original approaches ever conceived to vanish a cloud. I'm not going to tip the effect in this forum. I know Jerome was a little upset that I tipped this in the book. He felt it was TOO GOOD to reveal. Well, it's in the book. I think it's the best effect in the book and it's the presentation I use most. Some people have wondered how can you make cloud busting entertaining, this presentation does it.

Finally, many people have PM to ask HOW YOU CAN MAKE MONEY WITH CLOUD BUSTING. Most people think this is a free effect you do on the street or for friends. Normally it is but I have made thousands of dollars during the summer with Cloud Busting. Of course what I do may not be for everyone but in the section entitled Psychic Cloud Reading I show you how to make several hundreds a day doing cloud busting. Some will find this chapter to be controversial but it works. If you are a Richard Webster fan then this section will be priceless to you. Yes it is possible to bust your way to fame and fortune. I give you a proven method I've used for many years.
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jun 19, 2007 06:19AM)
SUMMON RAINBOWS: We added in a joint section that explains in great detail how you can summon a rainbow. You tell someone you will summon a rainbow and even point to the exact location in the sky you will make it appear, you spread your arm out in large arcs severals and suddenly a rainbow appears in the EXACT location you said it would appear. This is cult starting material. Jerome has been doing this for years and has been very successful in pulling it off. He mentioned it briefly in his section. I took his effect and went into great detail on how anyone could learn to do this.

Sounds impossible but you can do this, not every day, but you can do it enough to establish a reputation. Imagine spreading your arms in an arc and rainbow suddenly appears. I have done it and Jerome has done. Now you can. WARNING: This effect can scare people, I mean make them litterly afraid of you. People just don't spread their hands and make a rainbow appear. You will not be perceived as a normal person. Like I said this is cult starting material and should be used with caution.

Harry Potter will have nothing on you. I think this is the first time this secret has ever been revealed.
Message: Posted by: Mental_Mike (Jun 19, 2007 06:47AM)
Holy Crap....I keep getting more excited about this...Thanks for all the info, Devin and Jerome! I'm ready to start a cult...lol
Message: Posted by: Vinnie Laraway (Jun 19, 2007 11:06AM)
OMG! I can't say enough good things about this book . . . AND I HAVEN'T EVEN READ IT YET!

And the Rainbow Effect sounds great! Especially if your doing an outdoor show on St. Patricks Day. :rainbow:

-Vinnie
Message: Posted by: meyegr (Jun 19, 2007 11:20AM)
I look forward to this book also, but don't get tooooooo excited.

I really doubt that anyone could produce a rainbow at a specific time at a specific event.
Message: Posted by: fishwasher (Jun 19, 2007 11:37AM)
WHOAH! this sounds awesome....soooo looking foward to it! :)


Aidan :) :)
Message: Posted by: mitchb2 (Jun 19, 2007 12:01PM)
Okay, after reading about the rainbow, is this just a big hoax to make us wet our collective pants? :)

This sounds absolutely fantastic!
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jun 19, 2007 12:35PM)
NO this isn't a hoax, you can't produce the rainbow at a certain time at a certain event, unless you are extremely lucky. However when you can do it, you can point out the EXACT spot you will make it appear.

We show you how to apparently create this illusion at certain times. There are only certain times you can do anything in the book. If it is a cloudless day you can't very well vanish a cloud.

Everything in the book is pratical real world stuff that both Jerome and I use all the time. However the conditions have to be right, when they are you do the effect. I explain in great details how to get an audience for these effects at any time. It's called seizing the moment and we show you how.

The rainbow effect is very stunning when you pull it off.

Devin
Message: Posted by: kosem16 (Jun 19, 2007 12:52PM)
Magicbuilder,

The picture of "the man" is a fake or at least not of your doing. I saw that picture months ago on a cloud formation web site. I believe that the cloud is supposed to resemble Bob Marley. I know for a fact that that picture is not yours, so you should at least come clean with that. I just hope that you are not trying to fool everyone.
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jun 19, 2007 01:45PM)
I never said the picture was mine, the link just said this was an example of a face in the clouds. That is all it is an example. The picture is not a fake, it is a real cloud formation and an excellent example of a man's face. This is just to show an example of the kind of faces the reader might be able to reveal in the clouds.
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (Jun 19, 2007 02:04PM)
Steady, kosem. That picture is an example and nothing else, in fact, it's not even a great one. I've produced images in clouds that are far more sophisticated than the ones Devin posted. After a decade (or a few in Devin's case), one stops photographing every little thing we do in the sky.

Skepticism is fine and you've heard what a few pro's have to say about our work.
At the same time, accusations of fooling people and remarks to "come clean" are absurd and not welcome here.

Best,
Jerome.
Message: Posted by: Vinnie Laraway (Jun 19, 2007 03:20PM)
While we're on the subject of photo's, can I please have my question answered:

Will there be photo's/diagrams/illustrations in the book?

Thanks
-Vinnie
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (Jun 19, 2007 03:39PM)
It's not a picture book by any means, but yes, there are photos in the book.

-J.
Message: Posted by: VcosNJ (Jun 19, 2007 04:32PM)
***.. You guys are going to make me broke! All for the benefit of the art. We just need a release date! :)
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Jun 19, 2007 05:21PM)
Ugh, I was reading page 15 and was choking my water in excitement..You guys are crazy awesome.
Message: Posted by: Hansen (Jun 19, 2007 06:21PM)
The Gypsy Cloud Swindle sounds fantastic!

Sort of rules out sleight of hand for all those wise to the three card monte hustle!

"Can you see that cloud up there? Well, I bet you..." Great stuff!




The anticipation ... The anticipation...
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Jun 19, 2007 06:56PM)
This stuff is so so pricless. Summoning rainbows, blue sky, cloud vanishing effects, and more....jeez.
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jun 19, 2007 08:09PM)
The gypsy cloud swindle can actually be used to swindle people out of money nowadays.
I don't recommend it but it does work. I use it more as a patter presentation.
Devin
Message: Posted by: chichi711 (Jun 19, 2007 10:23PM)
I am very excited to read this book. I have seen Jerome in action, the impression it leaves only gets stronger with time. This should be a reputation maker. This will be worth the wait!
Message: Posted by: Psy-Kosh (Jun 19, 2007 10:24PM)
Aieeee! You two are ebil! Why? Because you're telling us about all this good stuff and then actually making us wait for it.

Words like "cruel and unusual" come to mind. :)

Seriously though, am waiting extremely impatiently. ;)
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jun 19, 2007 10:48PM)
Many will find my section on controlling the weather to be worth the price of the book. Not pipedreams but pratical real world solutions that apparently allow you to make it rain at will. You will APPARENTLY have the ability to delay snows, delay rains, suddenly make it stop raining and then start again.

Remember CLOUDS control the weather, If you can CONTROL THE CLOUDS, then it is logical you should be able to control the weather. We show you exactly how to create that impression.

You will be amazed at how easily you can make a rainbow appear. There may be times when you are scheduled to do a show outdoors and it is raining. You tell the person that booked you, you will STOP the rain long enough to do your show and pack up.
Shortly the rain stops, you do your show under clear skies, you finish, pack up and as you drive away the RAIN RETURNS and pours on the hapless people at the outdoor event. I just did this last Saturday and this book will show you exactly how it is pulled off!

No Hype, no false promises, but real world ways to pull this off. The methodology behind this will astonish you. Things most people never thought of, but will make it appear you have real magical powers.

I even show you A REAL WORKABLE way to make it warmer during Winter. Let's say the forecast says a high of 15 degrees that day. You tell people that is TOO cold and you will make it warmer. Within hours the temp is not 15 degrees but 30 degrees!

Everyone sees it on the Temp boards and you are a hero because you made it warmer. I do this every winter and you can too. The method is ingenious and it works exactly as written almost 100% of the time.

I realize reading this some of you will say such effects ARE NOT POSSIBLE. Wrong! When you read how these things are done and HOW YOU CAN DO it yourself, you will be kicking yourself saying WHY DIDN'T I THINK OF THIS.

Jerome who has just read these secrets for the FIRST TIME, can verify everything I say is true and 100% percent workable. This information is WAY UNDERPRICED for what we are revealing.

Jerome briefly covers Weather control in his section. However I have devoted an entire chapter to it. With the information I supply and what Jerome gives you, there is nothing weather wise you can not apparently do.

Devin
Message: Posted by: DanielSkahen (Jun 19, 2007 10:55PM)
Are these methods suggestion-based?
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jun 19, 2007 11:00PM)
Jerome has some suggestion based methods in his section. Mine are REAL WORLD, there are no suggestions. You actually change the weather apparently. It actually gets warmer FOR REAL as much as 15 to 20 degrees warmer than the forecasted high.

The rain actually stops during your show and starts the moment you drive away. You can delay the rain that was forecasted and make it rain the next day. These are things I've been doing for years. Again these are real world methods that anyone can do and I guarantee that this information HAS NEVER appeared in print before. These are my inside secrets I've used for years to convince people I had real power over the elements.

I know this stuff sounds impossible, but once you read the book you will see just how easy it is to do these things.

Devin
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jun 19, 2007 11:04PM)
My methods are NOT dual reality, nor hypnotic suggestions. You don't create fake weather or use devices to control the weather. This is psychic mentalism at it's best. I only wish Al Mann were alive to see just how far we've taken Cloud busting and weather control. It goes beyond Al's wildest dreams.
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Jun 19, 2007 11:13PM)
I'm sure Al Mann would've been crazy proud. I can bet single bits of the information in the book are worth the price of the book and more. I'm interested in what the effect Gypsy Cloud Swindle is, but I guess I'll have to find out when I get the book.
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jun 19, 2007 11:22PM)
The Gypsy swindle was told to me by Al Mann. He explained how in the old days how Gypsy's used clouds to swindle people out money and to create the impression they had real magical powers. The Gypsy Swindle is a true swindle that was used in the past. It makes for a highly entertaining presentation and will hold anyone's attention.

It's my favorite cloud effect and the true story behind it at the recent Mindvention makes you wonder if the Gypsy spell really does work. The guy I showed it to won $100 at a slot machine within 5 minutes of viewing the Gypsy Swindle. That is all I'm going to say, as this is a special treat for readers of the book.

Jerome feels I should have left this out the book, as this is just too good to tip in his opinion.

Devin
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Jun 19, 2007 11:30PM)
I'll be going to Vegas July 16th if the book is in my hands before then...Oh I'll tell you.
Message: Posted by: macc (Jun 20, 2007 02:44AM)
I read somewhere that cloudbusting can cause mental disease. is that true? or is it completely harmless?
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jun 20, 2007 03:41AM)
Completely harmless to the performer, but you may drive the spectators to insantity when they see what you do. LOL
Message: Posted by: DanielSkahen (Jun 20, 2007 11:20AM)
That's bizzarre and truly impressive if it is as you say.
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (Jun 20, 2007 11:21AM)
[quote]
On 2007-06-20 03:44, macc wrote:
I read somewhere that cloudbusting can cause mental disease. is that true? or is it completely harmless?
[/quote]

LOL! Is that what happened to me? Too funny :)

Best,
J.
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (Jun 20, 2007 11:54AM)
Just a side note:

The portion Devin has included on controlling the weather is spectacular! Really, this could have been a whole book by itself. I wasn't expecting him to include a lot of the material he has . . . I'm glad he did though, as you won't find information like this ANYWHERE else. It's something extra for you guys, and A LOT of it!!!

In my portion of the book, I only hinted at possible ways to apparently control the weather. My specialty is the CLOUD BUST. It is what I do the most often and that is what I have focused on. Devin has taken my ideas and combined them with his own to provide you with yet another tool for creating miracles. This information should not be taken lightly; it's powerful mojo :)

Cloud busting can have a very "supernatural" feel about it, and combining it with weather control, steps it up another notch. Once I get Devin in the "think tank", all hell breaks loose. He has methods that are above and beyond anything I have seen in print, and previous works have only touched the surface. He has put it all in the book for your benefit. I'm on top of this stuff, and I learned A LOT from reading Devin's work on the subject.

This book is a real treat. I'm looking forward to it as much as anyone . . .

-Jerome.
Message: Posted by: Vinnie Laraway (Jun 20, 2007 12:23PM)
This is amazing! Honestly, this has to be the only thread (over 15 pages) on the Café that I have read EACH AND EVERY post and EACH AND EVERY page! LOL. I'm proud. :)

... Release Date? ...
-Vinnie
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jun 20, 2007 12:48PM)
Going to the printers no later than 2 weeks from today. I'm doing some last minute proofing to make sure everything is as should be.
Message: Posted by: RicHeka (Jun 20, 2007 01:38PM)
[quote]
On 2007-06-20 13:48, magicbuilder wrote:
Going to the printers no later than 2 weeks from today. I'm doing some last minute proofing to make sure everything is as should be.
[/quote]

Anything I have puchased from Devin has been great.If it was not him jointly putting this out I would probably be thinking 'here we go again',another hyped up "miracle"[a certain effect using sunlight to create an alteration of a shadow comes to mind].

Also,I have alway's also liked Jeromes thinking on various matters here at the Café.

I do have a question:Can any of these methods be employed from indoors..like standing at a window?

Best.
Rich
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jun 20, 2007 02:21PM)
[quote]
On 2007-06-20 14:38, PaleoMagi wrote:

I do have a question:Can any of these methods be employed from indoors..like standing at a window?

Best.
Rich


[/quote]

Yes, many of these effect can be performed indoors. I even tell you how do some of these effects while table hopping at restaurants.

Devin
Message: Posted by: houston_3721 (Jun 20, 2007 04:10PM)
I have been following and reading all the posts in this thread and I am really interested in this book.

I really want to know how often can we perform those cloud effects? I mean is it better in some of the seasons, or is it suitable on N days out of 1 year? I am in Hong Kong and the weather here is quite wet and warm. And we don't always have a really sunny and calm (no wind at all) day.

From the posts I've read here, I assume there're some effects/methods focusing more on mentalism/energy and some are great trick methods. I have no experience on metalism at all but I guess those trick methods are going to make us dangerous and scary enough to people around us.

ps. PM sent to Jerome ;)

Houston
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jun 20, 2007 04:51PM)
The best time for performing cloud busting is late spring to early fall. You can do it other times of the years but usually during this time mentioned I can do it most any sunny day. Of course this is in the USA.
Message: Posted by: Lord Of The Horses (Jun 20, 2007 05:09PM)
This book is really great and, most important, is filling a big void on the subject.

Many people have heard stories of other people (not necessarily Mentalists) that had this "power" or of some seminar leaders teaching to their pupils to "bust clouds" but, no one - to the best of my knowledge - up to now has ever published something so comprehensive and so thouroughly detailed on cloud busting AND related phenomena.

That could have been for various reason (including a lack of real knowledge on the subject) but now Devin and Jerome have filled this void.

You will learn not only the ABC (or the 101) of Cloud Busting but you will get much more. Just by following the detailed instructions Devin and Jerome have put down in their book (and with a modicum of experience just to get the right "knack" for it) you will quickly become a CLOUD MASTER.

And you will not only learn how to dissolve clouds but how to call clouds, to shape / sculpt clouds, how to use clouds to reveal faces, playing cards, animals, numbers or anything else a spectator has secretly chosen... and much more!

As I've said into another thread this may really be the LAST WORD on Cloud Busting and allied kindred phenomena... a real ENCYCLOPEDIA on the subject.

Every nuance, subtlety, psychological tip (including the use of suggestive verbiage) is given to you inside the pages of this awesome book. Nothing has been held back!

Happy Cloud Busting to everyone!
Message: Posted by: The Mac (Jun 20, 2007 05:27PM)
Who do I have to kill to have this now?
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Jun 20, 2007 05:36PM)
Awesome, f'ing ..yes F'ing awesome...man that word has been used a ton! Nice review :P
Message: Posted by: Mariagi (Jun 20, 2007 05:51PM)
Waiting and counting days ..
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (Jun 20, 2007 06:17PM)
[quote]
On 2007-06-20 17:10, houston_3721 wrote:
I have been following and reading all the posts in this thread and I am really interested in this book.

I really want to know how often can we perform those cloud effects? I mean is it better in some of the seasons, or is it suitable on N days out of 1 year? I am in Hong Kong and the weather here is quite wet and warm. And we don't always have a really sunny and calm (no wind at all) day.

From the posts I've read here, I assume there're some effects/methods focusing more on mentalism/energy and some are great trick methods. I have no experience on metalism at all but I guess those trick methods are going to make us dangerous and scary enough to people around us.

ps. PM sent to Jerome ;)

Houston
[/quote]

I bust clouds all year long, it doesn't matter which season it is. Houston, I replied to you via PM. You'll certainly be able to do this.

The only time I am not working with the sky is when there are NO clouds whatsoever. If there are clouds (any), anywhere in the sky, there is plenty you can always do.

The sky's the limit!

-Jerome.
Message: Posted by: Vinnie Laraway (Jun 20, 2007 07:42PM)
[quote]
On 2007-06-20 19:17, TT2 wrote:
The sky's the limit![/quote]

Literally! :rotf:

-Vinnie
Message: Posted by: johnnymystic (Jun 21, 2007 01:06AM)
Hype...this is all hype.

Don't no one believe it!

AND BY ALL MEANS do Not BUY the book!!!

We wants it all for oursleves...don't we my precious!
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Jun 21, 2007 01:44AM)
YYYYESSSSS....SMEAGOL SMEAGOL!!
Message: Posted by: THEGUY26 (Will Swanson) (Jun 21, 2007 05:53AM)
If there's no clouds in the sky, can't you just make one appear?
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jun 21, 2007 05:59AM)
The book tells you how to make a cloud appear when there are no clouds.This is more difficult but I give you an impromptu way of doing it. We also give you an effect you can do WITH NO CLOUDS in the sky that is pretty amazing.

Clouds in the sky or NO clouds in the sky. We show you ways to take advantage of both situations.
Message: Posted by: houston_3721 (Jun 21, 2007 08:14AM)
[quote]
On 2007-06-20 19:17, TT2 wrote:

I bust clouds all year long, it doesn't matter which season it is. Houston, I replied to you via PM. You'll certainly be able to do this.

The only time I am not working with the sky is when there are NO clouds whatsoever. If there are clouds (any), anywhere in the sky, there is plenty you can always do.

The sky's the limit!

-Jerome.
[/quote]
Thanks Jerome.

I've never been so much interested and excited about a book. But this book is so attrative. The effects explained are not only magic but something really "supernatural" that seems so impossible. I have NO knowledge and experience on cloud busting (using orgone energy or any other methods) but I do have faith in it. After reading the book and practising, I think I can do it someday!

The sky's the limit! so true.

-Houston-
Message: Posted by: THEGUY26 (Will Swanson) (Jun 21, 2007 09:01AM)
How many pages will the book be? Is it going to be spiral-bound? Sorry if this was already answered.
Message: Posted by: houston_3721 (Jun 21, 2007 10:45AM)
[quote]
On 2007-06-21 10:01, THEGUY26 wrote:
How many pages will the book be? Is it going to be spiral-bound? Sorry if this was already answered.
[/quote]
It will be around 100 pages. (Devin said that in page 4)
I guess it will be more because Devin keeps adding something extra to his portion.

Drawing pictures or writing words on the sky is something entertaining for ourselves. I would love to turn the cloud into a letter "A" just for myself. It's something that after we learn and practise(difficult?) we will be able to do in the rest of our life.

Cheers,
Houston
Message: Posted by: mitchb2 (Jun 21, 2007 11:08AM)
Will there be any performances on video, or is this something that can only be experienced live?
Message: Posted by: THEGUY26 (Will Swanson) (Jun 21, 2007 12:10PM)
Seriously, Criss Angel will start doing this. Probably on the 4th season of Mindfreak. Maybe David Blaine too. That's not good.
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (Jun 21, 2007 12:29PM)
The book will be a perfectly bound, soft cover. It will include pictures, etc and has become quite hefty with all the additions.

One could do this on television, no problem. I have always preferred for people to witness this live and in person . . . you could film it, but nothing beats a personal experience.

-J.
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Jun 21, 2007 12:48PM)
[quote]
On 2007-06-21 13:10, THEGUY26 wrote:
Seriously, Criss Angel will start doing this. Probably on the 4th season of Mindfreak. Maybe David Blaine too. That's not good.
[/quote]Doubt it, I need not say why.
Message: Posted by: Vinnie Laraway (Jun 21, 2007 01:31PM)
Jerome and Devin, if say the book comes out, and some people perform it and put it on youtube - is there a chance that the method could be tipped through watching a [i]bad[/i] performance of it?

I hate it when people learn an effect, but don't PRACTICE IT, and then throw it up on youtube for all to see and learn off of with a horrible performance.

Thanks.
-Vinnie
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (Jun 21, 2007 01:47PM)
No, it would not be exposed - it would just look bad if they have not done their work. I will say this . . . I don't provide video of my performances for a reason. If anyone out there is considering putting my work, or Devin's work on YouTube, I will be very hesitant to release future material and/or provide a screening process for purchases.

For a long time, cloud busting has been a rather hidden work. There are very few sources for it available. Just because we are tipping the real work on the subject does not mean that it should be widely accessible to people . . . Keep it real, keep it elite. Keep it to yourself. Is that too much to ask? ;)

Keep this away from the Penguin/Ellusionist forums, please. Don't post the effect, routine or performance on YouTube. Keep it to yourself and use it well. The last thing I want is to see this material slaughtered. I don't even want to see it on YouTube done well. Of course, this is only a request (albeit a FIRM one), and in all actuality I have no control over it.

Vinnie, you're starting to make me worry! LOL!!!

Best,
J.
Message: Posted by: THEGUY26 (Will Swanson) (Jun 21, 2007 01:51PM)
If you learn from a horrible performance, that will make your perfomance horrisble. That's the problem.
Message: Posted by: terrick (Jun 21, 2007 02:03PM)
[quote]
On 2007-06-21 14:47, TT2 wrote:
Keep it real, keep it elite. Keep it to yourself. Is that too much to ask? ;)

Keep this away from the Penguin/Ellusionist forums, please. Don't post the effect, routine or performance on YouTube. Keep it to yourself and use it well.[/quote]

I would love that. Now rather than watching out for hecklers, we're going to have to make sure nobody has cameras out. Keep an eye out for the tiny red "RECORDING" lights!
Message: Posted by: Vinnie Laraway (Jun 21, 2007 02:07PM)
Jerome, I totally agree! this stuff should be held as close to us as we can keep it.

I'm starting to become worried myself that this may come about.

Hopefully with the great people here at the Café, they will respect yours and Devin's wishes and keep this to themselves.

Can you guys just promise us all one thing: Not to sell the book to anyone who works with Angel!

Oh wait, you let Luke Jermay see a part of this. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! :bawl:
-Vinnie
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Jun 21, 2007 02:10PM)
Yeah I'd LOVE to see more of Jerome's future releases. Let's keep this off youtube (I know people would want to show off) and of course those other forums (as well as reviews)
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (Jun 21, 2007 02:23PM)
Luke is not consulting for MF anymore, to my understanding. He's a great person to receive feedback from, as he is very skilled with psychological techniques and subterfuge. Let's not bash another true performer :) I appreciate Luke's work and value what he has to say.

Blindside, thank you. People posting on YouTube, for the most part, wish to show off. That's all fine and dandy, but if I want to "show off", I'll do it for real people, live. Also, though cloud busting is extraordinary, it should not be about you or what you can do. Whenever possible, I involve the spectators, turning them into PARTICIPANTS. I share the credit with them and enter into an intimate relationship of sorts. This is how we cause people to talk about the effect and remember it for years and years to come.

Best,
J.

P.S. We have some great people here at the Café. I trust that these simple requests will be honored. There is nothing for you to gain by making exclusive material accessible to everyone on the internet.
Message: Posted by: Sparda (Jun 21, 2007 02:47PM)
I know you answered this already but I couldn't find it. Once the book is released how will we be able to order it?

Also, would it be possible to do "stuff" with fog,being that fog is clouds(like bust fog or create fog)? Thanks
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (Jun 21, 2007 02:55PM)
Murphy's will be distributing the book. Please contact Devin for more info. I would recommend getting a copy from him to assure that you get one, if interested. I'm not sure where the books will be sold or distributed. All the copies I will have available are spoken for.

Using these techniques, and with some practice and application, you will be able to use the methods to work with fog. Calling the fog, causing it to disperse, etc.

This is not a topic we discussed here, but it is discussed at length in my next book, "The Sumerian Mosaic" with Paolo Cavalli. I cover how to do such things as the above, causing beings and visions to appear in the fog, animating shadows, reversing waterfalls, etc, etc. Here ends my shameless plug :)

Best,
Jerome.
Message: Posted by: Vinnie Laraway (Jun 21, 2007 03:43PM)
Jerome, just to clear things up, I did not mean to bash anyone. Just didn't want it to be seen on Mindfreak. And that's great that Luke is no longer with them! :)
I respect Luke aswell. I didn't mean for my comment to be about him as a performer.

And oh boy, another book. YOUR GOING TO MAKE US POOR!
...But happy. :)
-Vinnie
Message: Posted by: Hansen (Jun 21, 2007 04:56PM)
Reversing waterfalls!!!! Holy #%@&!

Jerome, please go to some remote and secluded cave for the next month or two so you can devote yourself solely to writing your next book "The Sumerian Mosaic" so that I may have it in my greedy little hands as soon as superhumanly possible (oh, but make sure you have internet connection so that you can keep beguiling us with these delicious morsels of info!).

I even feel a mini tang of disappointment that "Cloudbusting: The Best Dang Book To Be Released To The Magic Community In Years" will be distributed through Murphy's. I was hoping to keep it all to myself, while reluctantly allowing a few devoted and enthused other Café members to briefly glimpse a copy. Sure, I understand the financial need to have the book sell well, but that's not the point. Nobody but me (and, reluctantly, my fellow dear Café members) should have this book! (Insert evil laugh here.)

And if this were to make it onto youtube, google video, ellusionist, penguin forums or the like ... AAAAHHHH! It would be the death of cloudbusting. Seriously, it would eventually kill it. (I will send my evil minnions and hell-hounds to deal with any such transgressors -- Insert evil laugh here.)

But seriously, guys, let's keep these truly precious secrets underground. Let's study them, practice them and master them, and then perform miracles for our spectators. Self-interest is possibly the most powerful motivating force. Well, it's in our own self-interests to keep these methods secret.

Jerome and Devin, why not do what some other publishers have done (e.g. Bill Palmer and Borodin on their "Cezanne Code" project) and have all purchasers of this book sign an agreement of secrecy etc etc? Worth a try?

Cheers,
Jason
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jun 21, 2007 05:38PM)
This is the major reason why I put this into a book and not a DVD or ebook. The best way to keep a secret is to publish it. Jerome and I both know that the majority of people who buy this book (like most books will say, look at all that information)they will wind up putting it on a shelf and say someday I will read this and master the techniques.

Don't worry our secrets are safe.

Too many magicians have gotten lazy, if they have to read it, it is too much trouble. If they can't see it on a DVD so they don't have to think about it, then it's too much trouble. Unless you are willing to take the time to read the book from cover to cover, you will NOT understand the technique.

Like I said our secrets are safe.
Message: Posted by: the levitator (Jun 21, 2007 06:19PM)
Yayyy for readers!!! I actually prefer reading material because it's easier for me to imagine in my mind how I might actually apply what I'm reading, rather than just physically mimicking something I see on a video.
Message: Posted by: Gammo37 (Jun 21, 2007 09:36PM)
I hope I'm not getting way too ecxited for this release, I mean, it looks sooooo perfect! Oh my gosh! Can't wait to read the book! I really hope this is not all propaganda, guys!
Cheers!
Gammo
Message: Posted by: Joshua Barrett (Jun 21, 2007 10:08PM)
I love books, ill always always pass on a dvd for a good book on magic
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Jun 21, 2007 11:58PM)
I hope this is a secret long kept between the book and the reader. This is going to be great. I'm probably going to spend weeks practicing and then some for my own amusement.
Message: Posted by: fishwasher (Jun 22, 2007 02:10AM)
Me too... I love reading :)


Aidan :)
Message: Posted by: Lawrens Godon (Jun 22, 2007 03:49AM)
Right!
When I began studying magic seriously, they were no dvds, even vhs were rare...
Through books we learned to visualize how to apply an idea, and that's what I love!!
^^
Message: Posted by: Silvertongue (Jun 22, 2007 09:19AM)
Mixed media is definatly the way forward, sorry guys, its give a fuller explanation of the facts.
Anyway you've been beat to the cloud busting video by about a year... oh well...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mc_q2mpS7N4&mode=related&search=
Message: Posted by: terrick (Jun 22, 2007 09:46AM)
Fortunately, that's only one of two videos. And the other is terrible quality. One of the comments on this one was even , "Ok you have the power to stand there as a cloud disipates. Whats you power I saw nothing but a load of crap."

Maybe we could kindly ask him to remove the video..? But, although it does have 800 views, I doubt it'll spread much, and people will probably eventually lose interest watching a 3 minute video of a cloud.
Message: Posted by: yachanin (Jun 22, 2007 09:47AM)
[quote]
On 2007-06-22 10:19, Silvertongue wrote:
Anyway you've been beat to the cloud busting video by about a year... oh well...
[/quote]

It's easy to see why a video of cloudbusting is not a particularly good idea. The video looks like the cloud is simply being dispersed by the wind. While it was possible to see a "face," it would have been MUCH more convincing had the Shadow Shaman told the viewer he would make a face appear in the cloud before it finally vanished.

Regards, Steve
Message: Posted by: IlDaDe (Jun 22, 2007 10:25AM)
I love to read and I hope I will undersand every part of the book... I am italian, and my english is not perfect! :)
Message: Posted by: chichi711 (Jun 22, 2007 10:25AM)
[quote]
On 2007-06-22 10:19, Silvertongue wrote:
Mixed media is definatly the way forward, sorry guys, its give a fuller explanation of the facts.
Anyway you've been beat to the cloud busting video by about a year... oh well...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mc_q2mpS7N4&mode=related&search=

[/quote]

That is so funny. I sat down with Jerome and had him show me cloud busting I can promise you it didn't look like that at all. When we did it was a cloudy day and the cloud that I PICKED was probably 6 times the size of that thing. First Jerome says lets bust a hole in the middle of it. Which happened in about 4 mins. Then this huge clowed vanishes. The other 10 clouds surrounding the one THAT I PICKED were still sitting there. It left a giant hole in the surrounding clouds.
Message: Posted by: gmmagic124 (Jun 22, 2007 11:09AM)
This sounds so insane.
Message: Posted by: houston_3721 (Jun 22, 2007 11:39AM)
[quote]
On 2007-06-22 11:25, IlDaDe wrote:
I love to read and I hope I will undersand every part of the book... I am italian, and my english is not perfect! :)
[/quote]
Me too. I am from Hong Kong. I think it won't be that hard to understand. If the words are difficult, it's a good way for me to learn more English words and improve my English!

I agree many of the above comments that we have to keep the secret of our art. And now I can see why there's no post on E forum talking about this project. Books are better than videos/ebooks because people cannot just send the file to others.

Jerome and Devin, Thanks for your effort in releasing these effects and at the same time tring your best to keep the secret. :)

-Houston
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jun 22, 2007 12:29PM)
The first thing we wanted to do was to make sure NO e-files would be available to share with others. That is why we are going with the book format. In all honesty this is COSTING far more than it would to make an e-file or DVD. That is why so few books are coming out. This is almost a labor of love, because as I look at the printing costs and designing costs, I am barely going to break even.
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (Jun 22, 2007 01:40PM)
Thanks for your honest response, Chi. I'd like to think that my cloud busting looks a hell of a lot better than what we see in that video :)

It's actually not that it is a bad video, but this guy has no idea about the techniques and methods that are available to serious and professional cloud busters. Also, I do not find it impressive to bust one small cloud, as the video showed. Like Chi shared, I go for the big ones and I do them rather quickly.

In my demonstration, the performer will turn red and begin to "glow" with energy. Your temperature will rise (measurable) and the results take place within YOU as they happen in the sky. This makes my work very unique.

Nobody "beat us" in anything that has to do with clouds or cloud busting. I can promise you that!

Peace,
Jerome.
Message: Posted by: houston_3721 (Jun 22, 2007 02:02PM)
Would you consider it rather easy (of course after you read, understand and practise) to perform? like making a hole in the cloud / completely vanishing it / changing its shape, etc. It sounds like not very hard as you can bust the clouds when you're driving down the road! At the same time, however, I think it won't be that easy because it's like pure miracle.

I know there're quite a few different methods in the book to get the similar result. Some involve mind power/energy and some do not. I still want to know more about and learn the classic "energy" method in the book although the trick method seems more practical for us.

And Devin, that's why we are willing to pay more for a book. Also more thinking and opinion can be found and learnt from the book than a video. We know you guys are including some great real-world experience, stories, advices and comments which are better to read from a book. :)

-Houston
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Jun 22, 2007 02:23PM)
Simple but not always easy as I remember reading.
Message: Posted by: chichi711 (Jun 22, 2007 02:47PM)
[quote]
On 2007-06-22 14:40, TT2 wrote:

In my demonstration, the performer will turn red and begin to "glow" with energy. Your temperature will rise (measurable) and the results take place within YOU as they happen in the sky. This makes my work very unique.

Peace,
Jerome.
[/quote]

that's the part I told Jerome to keep to himself. Fortunatly for the rest of us he didn't.
Message: Posted by: fishwasher (Jun 22, 2007 02:54PM)
How lucky we all are...



Aidan
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Jun 22, 2007 03:22PM)
I have a feeling that Devin and Jerome are keeping another couple awesome effects secret that are in the book that they are keeping sush about. Could I be wrong? When we open the book after the first "Oh Snap!" we'll be like "Oh /**@!)
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Jun 22, 2007 03:42PM)
So far on info on this book through this forum we have got



Cloud Vanishing

Michael Johns Blue Sky effect that he got publicity on for reals

Sculpting Clouds

Methods pointing to using assistants and gadgets you wouldn't really need

How to get publicity and fame doing this.

*hints on gypsy swindle presentation

Raising the temperature 15 to 20 degrees

Delaying rain/snow

Jeromes energy presentation talked about above

Create lightning (Woot am I right about that?)

There will be a Myriad of methods even some of Jerome with suggestion

Jerome the man himself ties in metal bending with Cloud Busting

Thoughts of Numbers appear int he clouds

Clever way to use the old grey elephant in denmark trick

Gunshot point effect idea

Loved ones in the sky

NLP

...and this is where my fingers start bleeding I guess
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (Jun 22, 2007 03:50PM)
There are some incredibly high powered miracles that are detailed in depth within those pages :) We've not said anything about these, as we want the book to be as exciting and "new" feeling as possible. With over 18,000 views and 500 responses to an 18 page thread (and its only getting bigger); I don't want people to be cloud "busted out" before the book is even released. There are some hidden gems waiting and the book is sure to not disappoint.

Other great minds who are known workers and present and respected here at the Café are reading the book even now. More feedback will be available shortly, and I can only hope and trust that this will continue long after the book makes its debute.

Again, I would like a brief dose of reality to be present in this thread. All questions and inquiries are welcome, and at the same time, comments like, "Can't you just make a cloud appear and then bust it?" are a bit unrealistic. I have done that very thing many times before, and Devin has as well. On the other hand, certain conditions must be met . . . a lot of this is going to depend upon your skills as a performer. There is no easy way through . . . like anything, this is going to take dedication, practice and homework to be effective. Cloud busting is a show piece. It is very rewarding to perform, entertaining, mysterious, impossible, spectacular . . . everything I need and want in a routine!

Remember, cloud busting is impromptu . . . it is a definite miracle to witness, but of course the material has its limits and requisites.

Hopefully, you can trust the words of Devin Knight, Richard Osterlind, Luke Jermay, Paolo Cavalli, Enrique Enriquez and others. If you can't see the value, power and potential in this work, then I'm not entirely sure you can be pleased!!!

Within the next month, these boards will light up with personal accounts and experiences of YOU GUYS performing the work and the reactions you have received. I personally can't wait, and I know that many of you out there are going to impress us with your work and take on this subject.

Kind regards,
Jerome Finley.
Message: Posted by: THEGUY26 (Will Swanson) (Jun 22, 2007 04:33PM)
Why is this only going to be around $40? Shouldn't it be more like $4,000?
Message: Posted by: LWright (Jun 22, 2007 05:09PM)
[quote]
On 2007-06-22 17:33, THEGUY26 wrote:
Why is this only going to be around $40? Shouldn't it be more like $4,000?
[/quote]

Exactly my thoughts.

I've heard rumours this is all completely false as well.
Message: Posted by: gmmagic124 (Jun 22, 2007 05:21PM)
If it's that good, people will pay top dollar for it.
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Jun 22, 2007 06:03PM)
Read the previous pages to find your answer.

" understand that many want us to raise the price but I realize a lot of you are on budgets. I have figured out the printing costs to professionally produce this. Obviously with any magic book, the market is limited. The price will $39.95. That is firm, no lower, no higher. It's the only way I can afford to print the book the way I want too.

Neither Jerome nor I will get rich off this, its really more of a labor of love and to get this stuff in print. If we are lucky and you guys support this project we may make a little bit. I wanted to price this book at what I thought was fair. I am as sick as you guys are with people charging $60 to 100.00 for a magic book or 30.00 for a ebook download.

I want to give you guys something valuable in a nice format (no ebook to prevent piracy on file sharing sites)and still at a fair price. I think when you see the finished product you will all be pleased and think we've set the right price for the material and media that we deliver it in.

Devin"
Message: Posted by: LWright (Jun 22, 2007 06:34PM)
No...that doesn't really explain it at all.
This is ground breaking stuff..apparently the same stuff that Scientists are paying hundreds of thousands of dollars for..
Changing the temperature?
Ability to ...create lightning ? what ?

No, any of this is playing god, and to play god is..40 dollars ?

I'm not trusting this at all anymore.
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Jun 22, 2007 06:35PM)
[quote]
On 2007-06-22 18:09, LWright wrote:
[quote]
On 2007-06-22 17:33, THEGUY26 wrote:
Why is this only going to be around $40? Shouldn't it be more like $4,000?
[/quote]

Exactly my thoughts.

I've heard rumours this is all completely false as well.
[/quote]That what is completely false? If your talking about the effects you should take in mind about the people that are putting this book out.

I don't completely blame you either, these sound and probably are miracles in the eyes of people watching the effect. In magic people keep a closed mind to methods and things of that nature. But I can assure you with Devin and even Jerome in the mix and their good reputation I'm a believer.

-----------------------------------------

Additionally it looks like you don't even trust the word of some of the biggest names in magic. Like people like Luke Jermay and Richard Osterlind.
Message: Posted by: joseph (Jun 22, 2007 06:49PM)
We will soon find out... :) ..
Message: Posted by: Mental_Mike (Jun 22, 2007 07:03PM)
I know I'm going to be buying it. Seems like forever because I've been checking this thread 10 times a day, every day. lol
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (Jun 22, 2007 07:20PM)
[quote]
On 2007-06-22 19:34, LWright wrote:
No...that doesn't really explain it at all.
This is ground breaking stuff..apparently the same stuff that Scientists are paying hundreds of thousands of dollars for..
Changing the temperature?
Ability to ...create lightning ? what ?

No, any of this is playing god, and to play god is..40 dollars ?

I'm not trusting this at all anymore.
[/quote]

LMAO!!! Are you for real??? Seriously . . . I'm not asking you to trust me, or Devin. That's why others have stepped up and offered their feedback. Many of this stuff is impossible to conceive, I don't shun you for being skeptical. Yes, the price to "play god" is 40 bucks. Take it or leave it. You will be lucky to even get a copy. I know that all books I will have available are spoken for, and Devin's are going fast.

Osterlind, Jermay and everyone else mentioned gave us their endorsements because they have seen the work, worked with similar effects and routines themselves and saw the value in what we are offering. As Devin has said, this is more a labor of love than anything. Neither of us are going to "get rich" off such a project, and to see our efforts met with such remarks is a bit disappointing.

If you were to tell a lay person that it was possible to read minds (bend spoons, remote view, duplicate thought of drawings, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc), they would think you were nuts. They might as well write is off as something unbelieveable. That is the nature of our work. Don't think like a layman! Just because you don't understand what exactly is going on as of yet is still not a reason to dismiss the work entirely.

Looks can be deceiving. You will APPEAR to create lightning, raise the temperature, bust clouds, sculpt them and much, much more. There is a lot that goes into this work, a lot happening that others are completely unaware of. Along with the illusions of such things, you will provide convincers . . . temperature changes that are notable, the complete vanish of a cloud, the visible changes within the performer and tons of mind games combined with hard techniques and solid methods.

This stuff works. I use it on a regular basis and have done so for years. If you are in my area and would like to personally witness cloud busting, drop me a line. I will meet with you, as I did with Chichi711 and give you a demonstration.

Not to harp on anyone with opposing viewpoints, not at all; just don't claim that this is too far fetched or that it is a rumor. That's just plain ridiculous!

-Jerome.
Message: Posted by: chichi711 (Jun 22, 2007 08:36PM)
I have no stakes in this thing. I asked Jerome to do it for me, because I was a bit skeptical of how good it would be. Trust me this is not to far fetched and it is not a rumor. This works. I have seen it first hand and if done correctly as Jerome did it for me this will destroy people. I have seen hundreds upon hundreds of "tricks" in my day. I think about this one almost everyday. I wish/hope I will be able to perform it at the same level that Jerome and Devin can.

The comment that this is a rumor is even insulting to me, because I have sat here and told you my experience. I can only imagine how insulting that is to Jerome and Devin. Do you honestly think they don't have better things to do then talk about this book on the Café? To funny.........
Message: Posted by: THEGUY26 (Will Swanson) (Jun 22, 2007 09:12PM)
I have better things to do than talk about this book.

And that is to actually read the book!
Message: Posted by: IlDaDe (Jun 22, 2007 09:33PM)
Sometimes I think that maybe this topic is a big joke... Is too god to be true :D
I cant wait for my copy, really.
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jun 22, 2007 09:35PM)
Just because you can't conceive of a way to do these things, doesn't mean I haven't. Almost everything I have released read impossible, until people got it and saw it was as advertised. Everyone who knows me will vouch that I deliver what I promise,no matter how impossible it may seem. Actually when you read the book you will see HOW EASY it is to increase the temps. I do it all the time, sure it's a trick but it is one people can actually see the increase. The increase is real, but there is a very clever trick behind it. Something nobody else has thought of as far as I know.

Devin
Message: Posted by: RicHeka (Jun 22, 2007 09:48PM)
[quote]
On 2007-06-22 20:20, TT2 wrote:
[quote]
On 2007-06-22 19:34, LWright wrote:
No...that doesn't really explain it at all.
This is ground breaking stuff..apparently the same stuff that Scientists are paying hundreds of thousands of dollars for..
Changing the temperature?
Ability to ...create lightning ? what ?

No, any of this is playing god, and to play god is..40 dollars ?

I'm not trusting this at all anymore.
[/quote]

LMAO!!! Are you for real??? Seriously . . . I'm not asking you to trust me, or Devin. That's why others have stepped up and offered their feedback. Many of this stuff is impossible to conceive, I don't shun you for being skeptical. Yes, the price to "play god" is 40 bucks. Take it or leave it. You will be lucky to even get a copy. I know that all books I will have available are spoken for, and Devin's are going fast.

Osterlind, Jermay and everyone else mentioned gave us their endorsements because they have seen the work, worked with similar effects and routines themselves and saw the value in what we are offering. As Devin has said, this is more a labor of love than anything. Neither of us are going to "get rich" off such a project, and to see our efforts met with such remarks is a bit disappointing.

If you were to tell a lay person that it was possible to read minds (bend spoons, remote view, duplicate thought of drawings, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc), they would think you were nuts. They might as well write is off as something unbelieveable. That is the nature of our work. Don't think like a layman! Just because you don't understand what exactly is going on as of yet is still not a reason to dismiss the work entirely.

Looks can be deceiving. You will APPEAR to create lightning, raise the temperature, bust clouds, sculpt them and much, much more. There is a lot that goes into this work, a lot happening that others are completely unaware of. Along with the illusions of such things, you will provide convincers . . . temperature changes that are notable, the complete vanish of a cloud, the visible changes within the performer and tons of mind games combined with hard techniques and solid methods.

This stuff works. I use it on a regular basis and have done so for years. If you are in my area and would like to personally witness cloud busting, drop me a line. I will meet with you, as I did with Chichi711 and give you a demonstration.

Not to harp on anyone with opposing viewpoints, not at all; just don't claim that this is too far fetched or that it is a rumor. That's just plain ridiculous!

-Jerome.


[/quote]

I am only making this post because I think this is going to be a Great book,and I respect both Devin and Jerome from afar.[I don't know them personally and I have no connection with this project].[The more limited the sale of this Information the happier I will be..although I do realize the business aspects of venture like this]

However,I can tell you from first hand experience this concept is the real deal.[I am glad I have contacted Devin to make sure I am on the list for a copy].

Why am I so confident?Because I did it several times today with only 'basic' knowledge.I was skeptical,but part of my performance dialog is.."we know so little about the true capabilities of the human mind".

First time this AM with a single small cloud in an otherwise clear blue sky.[I thought ..maybe it was a lucky fluke].I tried later,but it didn't work,because the clouds were moving fast.However,later in the day,when thing's were calmer...I dissolved single clouds I chose beforehand,and the surrounding clouds remained.Mama mia,this really works!Holy *%#&!

I can only imagine the results when I learn the real work.I may be wrong,but I do think a positive,and confident slightly detached attitude is necessary.[this is what I gleaned from my rudimentary tries today]

I am truly amazed.I wish I could just go to sleep and wake up when my book arrives.

Rich
Message: Posted by: THEGUY26 (Will Swanson) (Jun 22, 2007 10:29PM)
You could always freeze yourself.
Message: Posted by: RicHeka (Jun 22, 2007 10:41PM)
:lol:

Good one!
Message: Posted by: Vinnie Laraway (Jun 22, 2007 11:05PM)
OH MAN! I'm gone for 24 hours and another page appears. :) But it was a fun read!

CANT WAIT!
-Vinnie

PS, I am really glad that a limited number of copies are being made. I guess people have a choice to make: Either buy the book and find out for yourself, or be left in the dust. By the time a review arrives from a Café'er who has read the book, all copies will have been sold. I'm glad I'm on the list!! :thumbsup: :bg:
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Jun 22, 2007 11:18PM)
Me as well :wavey:
Message: Posted by: Hansen (Jun 22, 2007 11:25PM)
I feel like a kid on Christmas Eve...

My mum always use to let me open one present on Christmas Eve so that I could lower the excitement level just enough to get some sleep.

Perhaps just one page, guys?

I kid, I kid.
Message: Posted by: houston_3721 (Jun 22, 2007 11:34PM)
Vinnie, I have the same feeling as yours. It's so lucky for me to come across this thread and of course lucky for me to get on the list. (thanks Devin!) If I just hear about this book by the time a review arrives, I will regret that I miss something great.

The effects sound like miracles and I think they are miracles even after we learn, practice and perform them. They seem too good to be true because we don't know the method and concept. And that's why we'd all like to put effort and try our best to understand and then perform the effects!

I think it's fun and entertaining to practise and perform the effects to ourselves. How good and happy will we feel if we can make something with a cloud, say a letter, a word, or a face?

I can't wait to read this great book. (it'll be a month later though, because of the printing, and the shipping to the remote city Hong Kong...)
Message: Posted by: macc (Jun 23, 2007 05:55AM)
I´m so interested in this book and I really want to get it.
in the case that it´s limited, how can I save myself a copy?
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jun 23, 2007 07:26AM)
PM me to reserve a copy, mine are almost all spoken for too.
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jun 23, 2007 09:48AM)
[quote]
On 2007-06-22 16:22, Blindside785 wrote:
I have a feeling that Devin and Jerome are keeping another couple awesome effects secret that are in the book that they are keeping sush about. Could I be wrong? When we open the book after the first "Oh Snap!" we'll be like "Oh /**@!)
[/quote]

Actually we are, and I have some last minute additions that have been added that even Jerome doesn't know about. I've got to stop adding things because the book has got to get to the printers. This book has WELL EXCEEDED the inital hundred pages. Jerome's part is finished, and so was mine and review copies were sent out, but I keep thinking of new wrinkles and adding them in. However this has got to stop as the book will never get to printers if I keep adding ideas.

I know intially we said we were holding nothing back, we'll we were not, but I'm very creative and new cloud effects pop in my mind daily. However, I have to stop somewhere...as hard as it may be to believe, even with a book approaching 150 pages, I HAVEN'T EVEN SCRATCHED THE SURFACE of what can be done. Some of the new ideas may have to be in a VOL 2 down the road.

The latest thing added to the book is called: SYMBOL IN THE SKY and is a novel ESP effect. You show someone a deck of regular ungimmicked ESP cards. They put the deck behind their back and IN THEIR OWN HANDS, remove a card and keep it behind their back. They don't look at it, and they don't show it to you.

You concentrate and turn Red as energy comes forth from your body, and then point to the sky. IN THE SKY is a HUGE ESP symbol formed by the clouds. You say wouldn't it be amazing if the card you secretly removed behind your back was the same symbol. They bring it around and look at it. The ESP symbol in their hand is the same one in the sky. (Tip: have some smelling salts to revieve the person after they faint from amazement)

You will be amazed how easy this is to do. This may be one of the better effects in the book.

Devin
Message: Posted by: THEGUY26 (Will Swanson) (Jun 23, 2007 09:53AM)
Neat.
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jun 23, 2007 10:12AM)
I not sure if I said this before, but if not I want to stress this.
THERE ARE NO PIPEDREAMS IN THIS BOOK.

Everything in the book has been done by either Jerome or me. If I haven't done it in real life under real world conditions, then it's not there.

There are positively no arm chair theories, saying well this might work. EVERYTHING without exception has been done by Jerome or me in front of real people. As we have both mentioned, all these effects can not be performed at all times. Certain conditions must be met, but these conditions do occur. When they do you can work miracles. We explain the conditions in detail,how to spot them and then how to use it to create a miracle.

Despite this,though, regardless of the weather, with so many different effects and approaches in the book you will probably find at least one effect you can do at any given time. The book is encyclopedic with so many ideas, that if the conditions are NOT suitable for one effect, then they will be for another.

All you need to do is to study the book, get all the methods and ideas in your mind and keep them there. When you see the right conditions for a certain effect you do. That's the way it works.


Devin
Message: Posted by: VcosNJ (Jun 23, 2007 11:39AM)
Hi Devin,

Put me down for a copy! Check your pm and I look forward to this!
Message: Posted by: houston_3721 (Jun 23, 2007 11:59AM)
Devin, it's great to hear your ideas keep coming. I think after we learn the concept in the book, we can also come up with many different ideas. Maybe we can share them later!

So how long will it take for the printing and binding proccess? We just can't wait!

Recently I find myself looking up in the sky quite often. I am so excited...
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jun 23, 2007 12:05PM)
The printer will be getting the book NO later than 7 days from now, maybe sooner. He says one he has it, give him about 2 weeks to print and bind it. Since the publisher is in my home town they books will go out the same day I get them.

Devin
Message: Posted by: Amade3us (Jun 23, 2007 12:17PM)
Could I get a release date for "Cloudbusting: Vol.2"?

(couldn't resist)

-Dustin
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jun 23, 2007 01:02PM)
Vol 2 is possible but not a firm release. I'll see what other ideas people tell me after they have read the first volume.
Message: Posted by: knickz4lyfe20 (Jun 23, 2007 01:44PM)
Is/will there be a website to market this book? I cant wait!
Message: Posted by: the levitator (Jun 23, 2007 02:20PM)
I've sent a PM yesterday as well. Are you notifying those who have requested to be "on the list" to reserve a copy?
Message: Posted by: Vinnie Laraway (Jun 23, 2007 02:26PM)
[quote]
On 2007-06-23 12:59, houston_3721 wrote:
Recently I find myself looking up in the sky quite often.[/quote]

Oh man! Your not alone! Yesterday I was headed down the shore with the family, and the sky looked PERFECT for cloudbusting! (Of coarse, we still don't [i]know[/i] the conditions that have to be met, but the sky looked awesome!)
The sky was as blue as can be, and the clouds were all over the place. I wished I could have busted them right there and then!

So according to Devin, the COUNTDOWN HAS STARTED! (I think. :P )

Devin, is it safe to say that the countdown from today is:

[b]21 DAYS[/b]

=]
-Vinnie
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jun 23, 2007 02:31PM)
That is pretty close, could be a few days sooner or a few days later but you are in the ballpark (another perfect place to vanish clouds before a game)
Message: Posted by: neoepicurus (Jun 23, 2007 04:21PM)
Jerome and Devin,
I too would like to reserve a copy of the book, please. (I didn't know it worked on a magiccafe-only reservation basis!) Do you need us to pay by paypal/credit-card right now to do the reservation, or anything like that?
Message: Posted by: MagicBrent (Jun 23, 2007 06:04PM)
I have never been so stoked! I was wondering (and again, excuse me if this was covered over the 19 pages) realistic with regards to timing...how long do you have to wait between effects? That's what was a little off for me with Kenton's version...waiting...by the way, maybe we'll be the first thread to have these pages exceed the number of ones in the book!!!!
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Jun 23, 2007 06:08PM)
Who knows? With all the stories, reactions, and ideas of people that will performing this...you never know if this thread will blow up into a mass.
Message: Posted by: THEGUY26 (Will Swanson) (Jun 23, 2007 06:11PM)
It will be at least another 5 pages before it comes out. 10 more at the most.
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Jun 23, 2007 06:13PM)
A volume 2 would be awesome! I bet there will be plenty of ideas from fellow members who purchase the book and already plenty of ideas you have yourself (Devin).
Message: Posted by: PsiDroid (Jun 23, 2007 07:47PM)
[quote]
On 2007-06-22 19:34, LWright wrote:
No...that doesn't really explain it at all.
This is ground breaking stuff..apparently the same stuff that Scientists are paying hundreds of thousands of dollars for..
Changing the temperature?
Ability to ...create lightning ? what ?

No, any of this is playing god, and to play god is..40 dollars ?

I'm not trusting this at all anymore.
[/quote]

Why you don't do us a favour and start dissolving yourself like a busted cloud ??

no one is forcing you to buy the book but refrain from posting thoughts about something you clearly don't know sh*t about: thanks
Message: Posted by: johnnymystic (Jun 23, 2007 08:27PM)
I too would very much like to be put on the "LIST".

At this point I almost don't care how much this book costs!!!
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jun 23, 2007 08:59PM)
I just received the PREFACE to the book by Paolo Cavalli. This was one of the last things I was waiting on before getting this to the printers. Both Jerome and I are extremely please that Paolo (with his busy tour schedule)was able to work it in.

It's a fitting preface and we are honored to include it.

Devin
Message: Posted by: Vick (Jun 23, 2007 11:06PM)
Get practice Cloud Busting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bo4djl7SH7I

Pick a cloud in this time lapse video and see if you can bust it, then try again and again.
It's best if you wait until 45 seconds or so into the video

Am sure there are subtle nuances I'm missing but give it a try and see what you can do



Edited to add
p.s. thanks to everyone in this thread!!
After watching the video linked above a few times I am now able to burst holes in large clouds and make the small ones totally vanish
Message: Posted by: johnnymystic (Jun 24, 2007 12:03AM)
Today, while visitng my daughter and her friends lemonade stand there were a bunch of neighborhood kids hanging around it, one of them called me the magic man and others demanded a trick...I had nothing on me.

There were a couple that were new in the hood and never seen any magic from me yet and they were highly doubtful.

I had my daughter point to one out of three clouds, she then told everybody I was gonna make a cloud disappear and of course they didn't not believe her.

I walked away to the top of a little hill covered in neatly cropped green grass, I sat crossed legged and concentrated.

I heard my daughter say he's gonna make my cloud vanish to her friends and I said,

"No I'm gonna make the other two clouds vanish and leave yours behind because I love you."

In a less than a couple minutes the other two clouds vanished.

The kids were freaked out.

I then picked up my home made juggling balls, tossed in 'em in the air and walked home.

:)
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (Jun 24, 2007 12:07AM)
[quote]
On 2007-06-24 00:06, Vick wrote:
Get practice Cloud Busting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bo4djl7SH7I

Pick a cloud in this time lapse video and see if you can bust it, then try again and again.
It's best if you wait until 45 seconds or so into the video

Am sure there are subtle nuances I'm missing but give it a try and see what you can do



Edited to add
p.s. thanks to everyone in this thread!!
After watching the video linked above a few times I am now able to burst holes in large clouds and make the small ones totally vanish
[/quote]

Vick,
Good luck!!! :)

Johnnymystic,
It sounds like you are well on your way. I'm glad that people are beginning to really think about and consider this effect and their own approach. You have to start somewhere!!!

-J.
Message: Posted by: johnnymystic (Jun 24, 2007 12:12AM)
[quote]
On 2007-06-24 01:07, TT2 wrote:
[quote]
On 2007-06-24 00:06, Vick wrote:
Get practice Cloud Busting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bo4djl7SH7I

Pick a cloud in this time lapse video and see if you can bust it, then try again and again.
It's best if you wait until 45 seconds or so into the video

Am sure there are subtle nuances I'm missing but give it a try and see what you can do



Edited to add
p.s. thanks to everyone in this thread!!
After watching the video linked above a few times I am now able to burst holes in large clouds and make the small ones totally vanish
[/quote]

Vick,
Good luck!!! :)

Johnnymystic,
It sounds like you are well on your way. I'm glad that people are beginning to really think about and consider this effect and their own approach. You have to start somewhere!!!

-J.
[/quote]

Yup, sure do gotta start somewhere cuz this dang book ain't out yet!

:)

I pattered about the forces of nature, picked a leaf off a branch, tore it up and restored it, by simple rubbing it in the grass.

I then led into the cloudbusting thing.

;)

Oh I can't wait for this book dude!
Message: Posted by: greml1n (Jun 24, 2007 01:23AM)
Ok I know this prob has been answered in one form or another.....but in my understanding there are some suggestions, but overall you are realy doing what your claiming to do correct? like fire eating and hypnosis theres a trick to it but you are realy doing what people see and think you to be doing right?

not to be an echo but just wanted to check.
Message: Posted by: socter (Jun 24, 2007 02:15AM)
As far as I know the suggestion part is only for convincing them that the cloud you sculpted looks like their loved ones. Is the book still going to be released by murphys? If it is, does it exclude any special sections? Will it be a limited addition if released by murphys? if it is limited addition, will it be shipped to other countries?

Just a few little questions
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jun 24, 2007 07:15AM)
It is a LIMITED run but it will be shipped to other countries. All printed copies will be the same and exclude nothing.You are right, the suggestion only applies to sculpture effects.

Devin
Message: Posted by: houston_3721 (Jun 24, 2007 07:37AM)
Will you send out the reserved copies yourself when they are released, Devin?

I mean that will be very busy for you! Thanks so much in advance.

The weather these days is really great. The sky is blue and the clouds are clearly seen. But when there aren't many clouds in the sky, it's TOO sunny. I mean if I look at the sky, I can hardly open my eyes. It's better to look at the sky not in the direction of the Sun.
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jun 24, 2007 07:56AM)
I will ship them myself if they come from me.
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jun 24, 2007 08:23AM)
Here is a comment from the Preface
[quote]
Devin and Jerome are two guys with a long and solid background behind their backs. I should not have been surprised by the information that I’ve found inside these pages; and yet I have been. That is because of the richness of details that these two modern shamans have poured into this book, because of the vividness of the images that their written word evokes, because of the many nuances, psychological subtleties, and guidance they have provided in this masterpiece.

Paolo Cavalli
[/quote]
Message: Posted by: greml1n (Jun 24, 2007 09:00AM)
I see now. so you realy do sculpt the clouds into things but since you cant make a picture perfect face you have to use suggestion to convince them it is a perfect look alike?!

now is this going to be a limited release book itsself? meaning should I worry I am not on the reserves or not?

thanks

g
Message: Posted by: bryanlonden (Jun 24, 2007 10:49AM)
I know I've read that it is possible to write words in the clouds, but may be hard. How about writing "I <3 U"? Any other romantic ideas? Haha try topping a message in the clouds...best part is it won't cost you a thing!
Message: Posted by: shadowmage (Jun 24, 2007 11:44AM)
Hey guys. I've been reading the thread since it was just one page and I must say that I am really excited about everything. I was finally able to make an account after a long time of trying since my dad had the only one and I needed it to make my own but he was in China.
Anyways.. I am going to China on the 12th of July so I am hoping I can get the book by that time and perform. Either way it all sounds great and I keep on wishing I had the knowledge to do it since I volunteer at this area that has a 3 day festival with lots of people. Well good luck Jerome and Devin with everything and I hope all goes smoothly seeing that it could be really stressful.

-a/z
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jun 24, 2007 12:10PM)
[quote]
On 2007-06-24 11:49, bryanlonden wrote:
I know I've read that it is possible to write words in the clouds, but may be hard. How about writing "I <3 U"? Any other romantic ideas? Haha try topping a message in the clouds...best part is it won't cost you a thing!
[/quote]

Sorry, but unless you use a sky writing plane, this is not possible. Ours is limited to symbols and single digit numbers.
Message: Posted by: bryanlonden (Jun 24, 2007 12:42PM)
Thanks for answering so quickly. So with that being said would it make sense that a simple heart would be possible?
Message: Posted by: THEGUY26 (Will Swanson) (Jun 24, 2007 12:48PM)
You can't use letters?
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jun 24, 2007 01:16PM)
Yes single letters are possible and in the book I describe a great effect using a single letter. For example a GIANT A materalizes in the sky for ACE.

Simple hearts are possible, because I often use a giant A and cloud that looks like a heart (as seen in the earlier photo)to reveal the Ace of Hearts.
Message: Posted by: MagicBrent (Jun 24, 2007 02:31PM)
Devin, I just wanted to thank you for your contributions here. I know you care about magic as a craft and art and you and Jerome have been gracious in answering so many questions rather than just telling us to wait until it comes out. And I can tell with the depth of your answers that it's not about shelling out a product. Kudos!
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jun 24, 2007 03:18PM)
We don't want any mis-understandings. Everything we promise can be done, but there are limitations. There are only certain times some of these things can be done. We don't want anyone to buy this book expecting more that we can offer. If either Jerome or me see that some has unrealistic expectations, then we try to correct them.

Remember we are not doing real magic here, it may appear to be, but everything is based on trickery and creating the illusion that you did something. Some people reading this thread THINK THEY CAN DO THIS STUFF FOR REAL. It's time for a reality check. We teach you trick methods that look like the real thing.
Message: Posted by: shadowmage (Jun 24, 2007 04:47PM)
This may be a dumb question or an already answered one but can this be done at night? Like I remember reading that you can make the clouds supposedly move with this trick method. So could you make the clouds cover the moon and move around since there are usually clouds at night here. Thanks.
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (Jun 24, 2007 05:36PM)
Yes, you can do this at night.

-J
Message: Posted by: shadowmage (Jun 24, 2007 05:43PM)
Awesome thanks for answering. Sounds great.
Message: Posted by: greml1n (Jun 24, 2007 06:44PM)
[quote]
On 2007-06-24 16:18, magicbuilder wrote:
We don't want any mis-understandings. Everything we promise can be done, but there are limitations. There are only certain times some of these things can be done. We don't want anyone to buy this book expecting more that we can offer. If either Jerome or me see that some has unrealistic expectations, then we try to correct them.

Remember we are not doing real magic here, it may appear to be, but everything is based on trickery and creating the illusion that you did something. Some people reading this thread THINK THEY CAN DO THIS STUFF FOR REAL. It's time for a reality check. We teach you trick methods that look like the real thing.
[/quote]

now I'm confused a little....heh..
now I don't care if its realy illusion or some little known science oddity but isn't cloudbusting in a sense real. Meaning not of supernatural,angel,devil,ghost force but in a sense you are realy manipulating nature through means other than suggestion and weather calaculation? I mean if you can make a figgin A appear in the sky that's impressive and I don't see how other than suggestion or hypnosis you can accomplish that in the terms of "trick". But if people can take pic's of it as we have all seen and it isn't a sky writer obviously it has to be a *** cool method!!!
don't get me wrong I love suggestion( I regurly use Kenton and Jermay material in my act) but if your arranging the clouds in the sky into forms and it isn't a suggestion and its impromptu....isnt it in a sense of the word real??

I still love this stuff either way I am just confused as to how making faces in clouds and forming dense clouds out of the blue can only be trick( in the sense of gimmick,sleight,suggestion,illusion)I do know there are some amazing principles of nature most of us are unaware of.

Guess I have to wait for the book!!!!! :):)
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jun 24, 2007 07:02PM)
We are using some little known principles of nature, however this is NOT real magic, it is just taking advantage of things most people don't know, and yes there are limitations. I can't go into any more details without tipping the methods in the book .
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jun 24, 2007 07:10PM)
With all the demands to get this book to the printer by the first of next week, I HAVE TO BOW out of this discussion. I really don't think there is anything in these 20 pages that has NOT been answered. Some of the questions are being repeated. I suggest if there is any question you may have to read the thread, I know it's 20 pages but odds are it has already been answered. I need to devote the time this week to get everything formated and camera ready for the printer. The book is done as far as the writing. However setting the format to make it camera ready is a tedious job that is going to take much time. With that thought in mind I can NO LONGER monitor this thread. I've got to meet the deadline and get this book to the printers.

I hope you guys understand.

Devin
Message: Posted by: Mental_Mike (Jun 24, 2007 07:13PM)
Understood!
Message: Posted by: THEGUY26 (Will Swanson) (Jun 24, 2007 07:19PM)
Hey, can I cause the tornado just like Boris Pocus?
Message: Posted by: Vinnie Laraway (Jun 24, 2007 11:39PM)
Understood, Devin! Thanks for everything! See you when the book is (close to being) released!!! =]

-Vinnie
Message: Posted by: honus (Jun 25, 2007 04:01PM)
I think I'll wait until the first people start selling their copies on here. You just know people are going to get it, then say "You mean I CAN'T just create a tornado whenever I want to, or bust up the next Katrina two hundred miles offshore? What a rip!" I'll buy that guy's copy. :)
Message: Posted by: greml1n (Jun 25, 2007 05:01PM)
[quote]
On 2007-06-25 17:01, honus wrote:
I think I'll wait until the first people start selling their copies on here. You just know people are going to get it, then say "You mean I CAN'T just create a tornado whenever I want to, or bust up the next Katrina two hundred miles offshore? What a rip!" I'll buy that guy's copy. :)
[/quote]
heh...well that will leave this material for those who know its real value and not with pinky and the brain
Message: Posted by: THEGUY26 (Will Swanson) (Jun 25, 2007 05:15PM)
I don't think anyone would be dissapointed in this book. This is not real magic (right?).
Message: Posted by: Mental_Mike (Jun 25, 2007 08:17PM)
[quote]
On 2007-06-25 18:15, THEGUY26 wrote:
I don't think anyone would be dissapointed in this book. This is not real magic (right?).
[/quote]

Not to us.
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Jun 26, 2007 12:09AM)
Excited I am, I'm gonna spend so much time practicing this summer :)
Message: Posted by: RicHeka (Jun 26, 2007 12:24AM)
With just absolutely basic methodology,I busted a 'chosen' cloud while stuck in traffic.No joke!

Oh this is going to be good.

Yes,I expect a few copies will show up for sale..this takes some patience,and a correct mind set.

I will be honest I had a few failures,but when the conditions are right...for my rudimentary method,I can bust some cloud baby. :)

Rich
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Jun 26, 2007 12:31AM)
Think of having a nice sized book of cloud magic and not just a basic methodology but lots more...gonna be crazy
Message: Posted by: greml1n (Jun 26, 2007 08:16PM)
So what was the exact release date again? from what I got its jul 4th?
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Jun 26, 2007 08:35PM)
Be patient and wait until Jerome or Devin post a final release date. It is not to far down the road.
Message: Posted by: THEGUY26 (Will Swanson) (Jun 26, 2007 09:05PM)
It is going to be in July.
Message: Posted by: AThompson (Jun 27, 2007 10:39AM)
So is this where they are going to reveal the release? I imagine if I looked up in the sky right now it would tell me when it is coming out, but I am stuck in the office. :o( Although, stuck in the office and posting on the Café! :o)

Is there some website where we can track the release, or do I just stay tuned to the Café?
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jun 27, 2007 01:03PM)
The actual printed books will start shipping July 25. I know this is a little later than I had hoped. I talked with the printer today and he assured me I would have these in hand ready to ship July 25.

The book will have a full color cover. It will look very professional and resemble a book you'd buy at Barnes & Nobles.

We wanted to do this right and not just put out a cheaply produced book.
Message: Posted by: Vinnie Laraway (Jun 27, 2007 05:15PM)
YAY!!!!! A RELEASE DATE!!!

Funny, it will be shipping on the day of my driving test. =]

Thanks for the update! =]
-Vinnie
Message: Posted by: magicmind (Jun 27, 2007 05:48PM)
[quote]
On 2007-06-27 18:15, Vinnie Laraway wrote:
YAY!!!!! A RELEASE DATE!!!

Funny, it will be shipping on the day of my driving test. =]

Thanks for the update! =]
-Vinnie
[/quote]

At least you will be looking at the road, instead of the clouds ;)
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Jun 27, 2007 06:18PM)
Thanks for the update Devin. I'm looking forward to it :)
Message: Posted by: IlDaDe (Jun 27, 2007 07:16PM)
[quote]
On 2007-06-27 14:03, magicbuilder wrote:
The actual printed books will start shipping July 25. I know this is a little later than I had hoped. I talked with the printer today and he assured me I would have these in hand ready to ship July 25.

The book will have a full color cover. It will look very professional and resemble a book you'd buy at Barnes & Nobles.

We wanted to do this right and not just put out a cheaply produced book.
[/quote]

Countdown!
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Jun 27, 2007 07:25PM)
It's the final countdown..

http://youtube.com/watch?v=uTeGwdZKhrQ
http://youtube.com/watch?v=iplN5W30aAA (couldn't help myself :)
Message: Posted by: THEGUY26 (Will Swanson) (Jun 27, 2007 09:18PM)
That was weird.
Message: Posted by: MitchMagic (Jun 27, 2007 09:35PM)
Where will you be able to order this?

Mitchell
Message: Posted by: Hansen (Jun 28, 2007 05:13AM)
You can order this direct from the author, 'magicbuilder' (see his post above). Just zap him a PM, but you'd better get in fast as these are going like hotcakes!
Message: Posted by: socter (Jun 28, 2007 06:13AM)
You can also get it from a dealer who gets supplies from murphys.
Message: Posted by: Vinnie Laraway (Jun 28, 2007 12:05PM)
[quote]
On 2007-06-28 07:13, socter wrote:
You can also get it from a dealer who gets supplies from murphys.
[/quote]

That is, if there are any left by the time the dealers get them.

-Vinnie
Message: Posted by: Lawrens Godon (Jun 28, 2007 01:49PM)
I think you could order from Jerome, too...
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jun 28, 2007 02:36PM)
Jerome's are all spoken for, and most of mine are too, I still have a few left. The rest have been bought by Murphy's for their dealers.
Message: Posted by: michaelmystic2003 (Jun 29, 2007 05:31PM)
Geez I can't wait any longer. I have been on the egde of my seat waiting for 3 months for this book!!! Can you by any chance get some of us advance copies?
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jun 29, 2007 05:57PM)
The book is at the printers and all will be delivered to me on July 25, there is no way to get the book sooner.
Message: Posted by: THEGUY26 (Will Swanson) (Jun 29, 2007 06:16PM)
So this will be out right before the beginning of August?
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (Jun 29, 2007 07:55PM)
[quote]
On 2007-06-29 18:31, Michaelmystic2003 wrote:
Geez I can't wait any longer. I have been on the egde of my seat waiting for 3 months for this book!!! Can you by any chance get some of us advance copies?
[/quote]

Nice try :) "Some of you" already have advance copies . . . they are Richard Osterlind, Luke Jermay, Paul Vigil, Paolo Cavalli, Enrique Enriquez and Patrick Redford, lol!

I'm just as anxious to see the book as anyone. It's superb, if I do say so myself. I had already proofed the final draft and was recently sent the layout as it will appear in the book with all of Devin's additional touches and information. It is incredible and both of us are extremely pleased with the results. I trust you will be too.

TheGuy,
Yes, just before August. A bit later than we had originally planned, though I think you'll agree that with all the extra's and careful attention to every detail, it is well worth it.

Best,
Jerome Finley
Message: Posted by: VcosNJ (Jun 29, 2007 11:35PM)
Well, it'll be July in a few days, then it's just a matter of weeks. Time flies and pretty soon I'll have this book in my hands, and busting clouds to amaze the masses. :)
Message: Posted by: THEGUY26 (Will Swanson) (Jun 30, 2007 12:04AM)
Remember to practice!
Message: Posted by: ragingcalm (Jun 30, 2007 08:58AM)
Will you be shipping the international deliveries on the same day as the domestics and what international shipping option(s) migt you offer. I'm travelling in Central America for several months starting in August and would love to have this by the time I leave, so that I can practice busting the pesky clouds that are spoiling my sun whilst I lie on a beach :D
Message: Posted by: Dizzi (Jul 1, 2007 07:21AM)
WOW I really want to Get this! Unluckily I can't get it! I'm going to Europe next year and can't buy much magic stuff.
Message: Posted by: shadowmage (Jul 1, 2007 02:13PM)
Seeing that I'll be in away at the exact release date I'll have to order it there on my laptop and get it sent to my home here. Unless my copy will still be reserved when I get back on August 10 so I can do it at home? If not then does it matter which credit card I use? Thanks.
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (Jul 1, 2007 02:33PM)
Ragingcalm,
For those on my list, I ship via Priority Mail and will be happy to ship through a faster means in order to get it there in the time you want it by. I'll find out what shipping costs are to you and simply charge you the difference.

Dizzi,
Have a great time in Europe. It's a blast!

Shadowmage,
It depends on if you reserved a copy from Devin or myself. All mine are spoken for and I am away from the list at the moment, but I don't think we spoke previously. Contact Devin for more information.

Thanks, all!

-Jerome.
Message: Posted by: Lawrens Godon (Jul 1, 2007 03:20PM)
Jerome, is paypal payement is ok for those on your list?
^^
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (Jul 1, 2007 04:05PM)
It is. Thank you.

-J.
Message: Posted by: shadowmage (Jul 1, 2007 05:25PM)
Okay thanks alot.

Yeah I had already reserved a copy but from Devin earlier through PM and email. Just making sure I have everything I need to get this no matter what happens and where I am, I'm not going to miss getting this. :)

Thanks again.
Message: Posted by: gmmagic124 (Jul 1, 2007 09:34PM)
[quote]
A bit later than we had originally planned, though I think you'll agree that with all the extra's and careful attention to every detail, it is well worth it.

Best,
Jerome Finley
[/quote]

Take all the time you need.
You can't rush perfection.

I can't wait to see the finished product.
Message: Posted by: ragingcalm (Jul 2, 2007 02:58PM)
Hi Jerome,
Thank you for your swift response. I believe I PMed you about reserving a copy and received confirmation that I was down on your list.

My concern was that surface delivery (I live in the UK) can take up to 2months so I would be prepared to pay the cost of airmail to recieve it in time for my travels.

Kind regards,

Will
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jul 2, 2007 04:34PM)
The USA has discontinued surface mail. Everything overseas goes First Class (which is airmail) or a global priority rate,which is about 5 days faster in most cases.
Message: Posted by: Steve Suss (Jul 3, 2007 03:43PM)
Devin,

I would like to be put on your list. I tried to PM you but your box is full.

Thanks

Steve
Message: Posted by: houston_3721 (Jul 4, 2007 08:39AM)
Devin, do you know the estimated time for the shipping from the USA to Hong Kong?

Also, would it be better to send you our address and info now? or later?

Thanks a lot.
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jul 4, 2007 10:58AM)
MY PM box is full, I can't get any more mail till I delete items. However every item is a reserve, so they have to remain till I contact them.
Message: Posted by: kannon (Jul 4, 2007 11:45AM)
Hmmm.... I've only skimmed read this, but I'm sure a lot of people are going to be very disappointed.
Message: Posted by: IlDaDe (Jul 4, 2007 05:09PM)
[quote]
On 2007-07-04 12:45, kannon wrote:
Hmmm.... I've only skimmed read this, but I'm sure a lot of people are going to be very disappointed.
[/quote]

Why?
Message: Posted by: Robert Apodaca (Jul 4, 2007 05:18PM)
I'm guessing it's because there is no way to control the weather.
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Jul 4, 2007 05:53PM)
I'm sure this won't disappoint, it's even been commented and liked by some of the biggest names in mentalism.
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jul 4, 2007 05:54PM)
I doubt few people will be disappointed. Just go back and read what some of the big name pros said after seeing the early drafts.
Message: Posted by: magicinsight (Jul 4, 2007 06:59PM)
Devin,

I am sure that this is a terrific reference book for a lot of great and unsuals effects. Please reserve a book for me as well.

Thanks.

Michael
Message: Posted by: edh (Jul 4, 2007 07:44PM)
I never pay attention to the reviews given by "big name pros". In my opinion they just wash the backs of each other.

I'll wait for the reviews of the "common folk". More dependable IMHO.

This is not mean't to take anything away from this product. But I do believe their will be a lot of disappointed people.

Way too much hype.
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jul 4, 2007 10:27PM)
I don't consider giving descriptions of what the book will teach you to be hype.
Of interest is that I hired two professional editors, to proof the book and make sure it was error free.

After proofing the book BOTH of them told me they went outside and within minutes was doing the stuff in the book. One editor says this stuff REALLY does work.

I'm sure there will be many disappointed people. Those who will be unable to get a copy because it sold out.
Message: Posted by: magicinsight (Jul 5, 2007 09:19AM)
The fact that many pros have given or will give their praise and endorsement to Devin's Cloubbusting book would not persuad me to purchase this book. However, I have purchased every effect Mr. Knight has produced and manufactured and I ahve been extremely pleased with each and every effect. Devin produces the best effects based upon real world experience. He takes the time to make sure that each effect is as pefefct and practical as possible. Devin's detailed manuscripts are second to none. Yes, I will purchase this book. Not because some pros have endorsed it but becasue I know that this book will contain entertaining, unusual, practical and professional effects with professionally edited and written detailed instructions. I am sure that Devin has put a great deal of time and energy in this book and I look forward in getting it.

Michael
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (Jul 5, 2007 06:32PM)
Edh,
It's impossible to please everyone. I have every reason to believe there will be a few disappointed people. There is no perfect offering, and cloud busting is not for everyone.

If EVERYBODY was 100% pleased with this book, there would be a huge problem, IMO.

I also would not buy a book or product based ONLY on professional commentary. If anything, it should serve as a reason to further investigate and consider this work, and not to buy it outright.

Best,
Jerome.
Message: Posted by: magicinsight (Jul 5, 2007 07:31PM)
Devin,

I have been unable to contact you via PM or by email.

PLEASE RESERVE A COPY OF THE BOOK FOR ME.

Thank you very much and have a cloud-filled day.

Michael
Message: Posted by: Tim David (Jul 7, 2007 02:06PM)
Is this book out yet?

Reserve me a copy!
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (Jul 7, 2007 02:38PM)
Tim,
Thanks for your interest. The book begins shipping on July 25th. It is at the printers now. I don't think there are any books available to reserve. All mine are gone and I think Devin's are as well.

Murphy's will be distributing the book. You may contact them or ask your favorite magic dealer to stock the book for you to purchase? I'm not sure ;)

Best of luck! If I can find a way to accomodate you, I surely will.

Regards,
Jerome.
Message: Posted by: Vinnie Laraway (Jul 7, 2007 02:48PM)
...And just for the record, so that nothing has changed, the set price will be $40?

And how much for S/H?

Thanks!
-Vinnie
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (Jul 7, 2007 02:52PM)
The price has not changed . . . S&H will be a flat 5 bucks for Priority Mail. Other options are available for faster shipping and also orders coming from overseas.

Best,
J.
Message: Posted by: Vinnie Laraway (Jul 7, 2007 03:25PM)
Ok, cool! I have my $45 ready to go! =]

[b]18 DAYS![/b] :bg:

-Vinnie
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (Jul 7, 2007 10:34PM)
On another auspicious note . . .

Paul Vigil has read our book and here's what he had to say;

"In the right place, at the right time . . . get ready for something people will tell their grandchildren about witnessing." - Paul V.

Check him out at http://www.paulvigil.com

I will say without reservation that Paul is the greatest magician I have ever known. To receive his short, sweet and honest praise is a real blessing.

Best,
Jerome.
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Jul 9, 2007 05:57PM)
Almost here :P
Message: Posted by: Vinnie Laraway (Jul 9, 2007 11:05PM)
[url=http://content.pyzam.com/toys/countdown.swf?maturity=0707251200B067076079085068066085083084105078071]THE OFFiCiAL CLOUDBUSTiNG COUNTDOWN![/url]

=]
-Vinnie
Message: Posted by: Joshua Barrett (Jul 9, 2007 11:23PM)
So many threads... how do I pre-order
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Jul 9, 2007 11:25PM)
Only a couple, so many pages you mean?
Message: Posted by: Joshua Barrett (Jul 9, 2007 11:31PM)
Lol yes, just want to know how to order =)
Message: Posted by: houston_3721 (Jul 10, 2007 05:51AM)
You'd better ask Jerome or Devin to reserve for you. But I doubt they still have spare copies.

What will be the estimated shipping price and time to send the book to Hong Kong?
Thanks very much in advance Devin.
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jul 10, 2007 06:22AM)
Oversea shipments will have two options as the US postal service did away with their standard airmail. We know have what the call International First Class (which is like the old airmail, we no longer have surface mail.

International First Class is $10.00 gets the book there in 7 to 12 days
Global Priority Mail is $20.00 and gets the book there in 5 to 7 days.

I post this for informational purposes. Regardless of how you get a copy of the book, be it from us or a dealer if they have any copies, this is what the rates will be. I went to the USPS web site and figured out the costs since so many people have asked for this information.
Message: Posted by: Nick-V. (Jul 10, 2007 09:15AM)
Thanks Devin.
Message: Posted by: Phil Thomas (Jul 10, 2007 04:17PM)
Jerome,

You have my name on the reserve list right? I haven't forgotten about this. Can't wait to give it a read.

:cheers:

Phil
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jul 10, 2007 05:32PM)
Phil, You're on the reserve list. BTW this post brings the comments to: 666
A magical number and fitting place to end the discussion until the book comes out in 2 weeks. We get closer each day.
Message: Posted by: Hansen (Jul 10, 2007 06:40PM)
667!

I'm sorry, I just couldn't resist.

Cheers,
Jason

BTW, I can't wait for this book to be released! I'm getting insomnia thinking up all the cool effects that could be performed...
Message: Posted by: varg (Jul 11, 2007 06:09AM)
668

hopefully

put me up on the list as well

best / Varg
Message: Posted by: X54CJ (Jul 11, 2007 05:28PM)
Hi Devin & Jerome,
Cloudbusting sounds terrific, how do I go about getting one and having it sent to South Africa? (Cant wait, S.A's got the perfect weather...)
Many Thanks
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (Jul 11, 2007 07:41PM)
X54CJ,

I performed cloud busting while in Swaziland, and yes, you have the PERFECT weather in S.A. for this.

You should PM me ;)

Best,
Jerome.
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Jul 11, 2007 08:00PM)
Thanks for ruining the 666 guys! lol, guess we have to go 777
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jul 11, 2007 08:30PM)
It's not the same, 666 is the magic number.
Message: Posted by: Vinnie Laraway (Jul 11, 2007 08:37PM)
[quote]
On 2007-07-11 21:30, magicbuilder wrote:
It's not the same, 666 is the magic number.
[/quote]

OH NO!!! I hope that does not jinx anything. =/

Lets hope not. =[
-Vinnie
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (Jul 11, 2007 08:40PM)
Hansen couldn't resist . . . blame it on him :)

-J.
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jul 11, 2007 08:51PM)
I seriously doubt this thread makes it to 777. There just isn't that much left to say about the book. I expect the book to be in people's hands before this can reach 777.
Once the book is out, reviews will go up in the review section and this thread will be dead.
Message: Posted by: THEGUY26 (Will Swanson) (Jul 11, 2007 09:19PM)
Usually threads end up dead after I make a post in them...
Message: Posted by: RicHeka (Jul 11, 2007 09:42PM)
[quote]
On 2007-07-11 22:19, THEGUY26 wrote:
Usually threads end up dead after I make a post in them...
[/quote]

:lol: Join the club! :lol:
Message: Posted by: Psy-Kosh (Jul 12, 2007 12:51AM)
Don't some consider 777 the "number of heaven"?

Given the topic of discussion, would that not be more appropriate than 666? :)
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (Jul 12, 2007 01:32AM)
Not really, considering the type of "forces" called upon to do this! ;)

J.

R.I.P 666 - you're the child I never got to hold, thanks to Hansen.
Message: Posted by: Hansen (Jul 12, 2007 05:15AM)
999!

If you look at your screen upside-down all will be well again.

Cheers,
Jason
Message: Posted by: joseph (Jul 12, 2007 07:49AM)
You mean cloud 999?.. :) ..
Message: Posted by: terrick (Jul 12, 2007 09:04AM)
Well, I was going to stop posting in this thread until everyone else continued. So here's my contribution to ruining the 666:


***DISCLAIMER: THIS IS NOT A CLOUD SCULPTURE! IT IS NOT CONFIRMED POSSIBLE BY DEVIN OR JEROME BY READING THIS BOOK***
I got this picture today in one of those stupid forwarded emails with the subject line "FWD: God's Hands".
http://www.hoax-slayer.com/images/god-hands-in-clouds.jpg
At first I thought, "Hmm, maybe Jerome and Devin had something to do with that.."

And then I remembered that Photoshop exists. hoax-slayer.com confirmed it as a fake, but it was just one of those things that makes me more anxious.
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jul 12, 2007 11:38AM)
The FINAL specs....
I just finished looking at the galley proof from the publisher. The finished book will be 5.5 x 8 with 132 pages in llpt type. Everything looks good, so I have given the go ahead to run the press.

Devin
Message: Posted by: terrick (Jul 12, 2007 01:13PM)
Yay! I almost got up from my computer and started dancing at work! That made my day, just knowing it's moving along smoothly.
Message: Posted by: Dan McLean (Jul 12, 2007 05:59PM)
Glad this is going well, Devin. Looking forward to it.
Message: Posted by: anbujustin (Jul 12, 2007 06:42PM)
Yayyyy let me know when its done!

I am on the list stillll right!?!!?

-justin
Message: Posted by: Vinnie Laraway (Jul 12, 2007 10:11PM)
Yay from me too!!! I can't waiiiiitttt!! =]

And I'm sure whoever PMed for a reserved copy and got a PM back saying their copy is being held, it is still being held. :)

-Vinnie
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Jul 12, 2007 10:19PM)
12ish days left
Message: Posted by: the levitator (Jul 12, 2007 10:47PM)
Hi Devin! Are we going to be notified via PM here at the Café or through email that we can start sending money?
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jul 13, 2007 04:53AM)
I will be contacting those on the list the first of the week, I have a list of people wanting this is the original people back down as I only have so many copies. If you reserved and have changed your mind, your copy will go to someone on the waiting list. Hope that makes sense.
Message: Posted by: joseph (Jul 13, 2007 06:26AM)
Add me to the waiting list.....
Message: Posted by: the levitator (Jul 13, 2007 10:35AM)
No mind changing here! Keep me on the list! :D
Message: Posted by: Illucifer (Jul 13, 2007 11:18AM)
How do I order this?
Tried to PM you, Devin, but you aren't able to receive any more PMs. No space.

-travis
Message: Posted by: houston_3721 (Jul 13, 2007 02:05PM)
Yea, all we who have reserved won't change our mind! I just can't wait to get the book in my hands and start reading. :D

Thanks again Devin!
Message: Posted by: MitchMagic (Jul 13, 2007 02:17PM)
I have a question, I'm going to be away at the time of release, is it alright if I send a payment now rather than later?

Mitchell
Message: Posted by: gmmagic124 (Jul 14, 2007 12:37PM)
It's a coming, I can feel it!
I'm gonna bust!
*cloudbust*
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (Jul 14, 2007 04:33PM)
[quote]
On 2007-07-13 15:17, MitchMagic wrote:
I have a question, I'm going to be away at the time of release, is it alright if I send a payment now rather than later?

Mitchell
[/quote]

Mitchell, why don't you contact me via PM . . . I'd like to support your magic for the people of Darfur. I'm happy to send you a copy of our book, my compliments of course. You can put the $$$ you would have spent on the book towards the Darfur fund. It's the least I can do.

Keep up the good work!

-Jerome Finley.
Message: Posted by: Illucifer (Jul 14, 2007 06:39PM)
Again, I ask, how can I order a copy of this?
Message: Posted by: yachanin (Jul 14, 2007 07:20PM)
Hi Meauxfeaux,

You need to contact Devin or Jerome to see if they have any more reserve copies available. If they do not, you will have to get one from a magic shop that gets supplies from Murphys.

I hope this helps.

Regards, Steve
Message: Posted by: Eddie Garland (Jul 15, 2007 01:19AM)
So excited it is getting close!

I have been practicing on the clouds in my coffee, clouds in my COFFEE!
I'm so vain. You probably thought this post was about me. :)
Message: Posted by: fishwasher (Jul 15, 2007 11:43AM)
10 Days!

Woo!
Message: Posted by: Pete Legend (Jul 15, 2007 06:41PM)
Lol Eddie :D I like your cover version though prefer the original ;)
Message: Posted by: VcosNJ (Jul 15, 2007 07:27PM)
So I guess it's safe to say we'll have this in our hands by next week? :) I'm glad I got mine pre-ordered.. woohoo!
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (Jul 15, 2007 11:39PM)
[quote]
On 2007-07-15 20:27, VcosNJ wrote:
So I guess it's safe to say we'll have this in our hands by next week? :) I'm glad I got mine pre-ordered.. woohoo!
[/quote]

Not quite. We will receive the books on the 25th and they will begin shipping immediately. Close, but not next week ;)

Best,
J.
Message: Posted by: Phil Thomas (Jul 16, 2007 12:21AM)
[quote]
On 2007-07-15 12:43, fishwasher wrote:
10 Days!

Woo!
[/quote]


Can't wait!! Let's all do the happy dance!!!

:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:


I got some serious clouds in my neighborhood that are giving me attitude. I think they need a good busting. Can't wait to get this.
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Jul 16, 2007 01:10AM)
When will we get emailed about payment?
Message: Posted by: Ed Mauve (Jul 16, 2007 10:59AM)
This is most interesting, I want this book! But...

I've tried PM Devin and his inbox full, successful PM Jerome but no reply so far..

Is it still possible for me to pre-order this book?
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (Jul 16, 2007 11:43AM)
Ed,
I never received a PM from you. All available books are spoken for on both ends. Murphy's will be distributing the book. Don't say we didn't warn you ;)

Best,
J.
Message: Posted by: Vinnie Laraway (Jul 16, 2007 11:56AM)
[quote]
On 2007-07-16 01:21, Phil Thomas wrote:
I got some serious clouds in my neighborhood that are giving me attitude. I think they need a good busting. Can't wait to get this.
[/quote]

:rotf: Those clouds are in my neighborhood too! They need some bustin'!

I cant wait! I'm so glad I reserved my copy!! =D
-Vinnie
Message: Posted by: Adam Milestone (Jul 16, 2007 02:05PM)
I'd love a copy too...wish I'd found this thread earlier.
Message: Posted by: Ed Mauve (Jul 16, 2007 08:25PM)
Jerome,
Have got your PM, its alright, since its also bit late for ordering.
Best,
Ed

[quote]
On 2007-07-16 15:05, Adam Milestone wrote:
I'd love a copy too...wish I'd found this thread earlier.
[/quote]

guess we have to wait a while longer now.
Message: Posted by: THEGUY26 (Will Swanson) (Jul 16, 2007 08:33PM)
Who here plans on giving a nice, long, in-depth review on this neat book?
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jul 16, 2007 10:06PM)
I just got back from Vegas and left the sky FULL of clouds. Some of you who live in Vegas and Southern CA, have said due to the lack of clouds in the area, how can you do this?

Those who live in the Vegas area, may have noticed this past weekend Vegas had one of the largest cloud covers seen in a long time. When I arrive in Vegas Friday, the sky was basically a blue clear sky. My girlfriend said, you can't do cloud busting here, there are NO clouds.

I told her that clouds seem to follow me (using a line from Jerome)I said I would fill the sky with clouds before I left.

Those in Vegas may have noticed the huge amount of clouds in the sky on Saturday. By the time Sunday arrived, there was a huge overcast of clouds and some were turning dark. People on the strip were saying it might rain. It didn't but we did have some dark clouds.

So if you guys noticed all those clouds you normally don't see in Vegas, well I take full credit for bringing them with me!

Those in Vegas may have noticed that the Weatherman was Forecasting temps up to 110 on Friday and Saturday. When I got in town I told my girlfriend I wouldn't let it get that hot. It was hot, but it didn't reach the forecasted high.
Message: Posted by: Vinnie Laraway (Jul 16, 2007 10:28PM)
Devin, do you mind if I worship you?

:rotf:

Your teasing us now!
-Vinnie
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Jul 16, 2007 11:45PM)
Nice! The stuff you just described I 'm guessing (not really lol it's in the thread) can be done with application from the book right? :P
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jul 16, 2007 11:54PM)
Anyone who reads the book and understands everything that Jerome wrote in his section will be able to duplicate what I did. Combine that with my chapter on changing the weather and you can do miracles that can not be explained. Everything I described in Vegas happened. Those who read the book will understand how it was pulled off.

This is all part of my Cloudmania tour. Tomorrow I will tell you what my plans are for next weekend, a chance to meet me and actually watch me stop rain, and bust clouds at the next Woodstock, happening this coming weekend.

Devin
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jul 17, 2007 12:01AM)
I just wanted to mention that both Jerome and I LEARNED new things from each other while reading each others work on the subject.

On the plane I read Jerome's section over again and decided to try some of his techniques on my girlfriend when I got to Vegas. Jerome does what I did in Vegas this past weekend ALL OF THE TIME. Once you read his sections in the book you will be able to do this yourself. All you need to do is UNDERSTAND what Jerome is saying. It works.
Message: Posted by: houston_3721 (Jul 17, 2007 05:23AM)
Devin, filling the sky with clouds in Vegas sounds like a sweet experience. And do you think we should write a brief review or at least put some of our experience with clouds here later?

Just inform us how and what to do with the payment when it's the right time. ;) Thanks. We just can't wait to get the book in hands and start UNDERSTANDING.
Message: Posted by: LWright (Jul 17, 2007 06:53AM)
Should be fun...
Message: Posted by: LLL (Jul 17, 2007 07:41AM)
Is this going to be available in the uk?
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jul 17, 2007 08:05AM)
I will PM everyone who has written me today. I assume Jerome will be doing the same thing. The book will be available NEXT week as promised.
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jul 17, 2007 10:51AM)
In our book we talk about places to do cloud busting and ways to get an audience. One of the best places to do cloud feats is at a large outdoor music festival. This weekend coming up: July 19-21 I will be at GOODSTOCK. This is Woodstock all over again! The same promoters for woodstock have put together a huge outdoor festival with the aging bands from the 60s performing. They expect to pull in thousands of aging hippies and their kids.

I WILL BE THERE (although not an aging hippie, myself) and I will be busting clouds throughout the festival. This takes place in Summersville, WV and if you are going to this : http://www.goodstock2007.com look me up and I will vanish some clouds for you. If you have trouble finding me in the thousands of people, just look for the area of the sky that is BLUE and without clouds. That is the general area you will find me :)

Like the original woodstock they are forecasting rain. IN fact accuweather was forecasting drenching thunderstorms for Thursday afternoon and Thursday night. NOT IF I HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH. I will attempt to move the rain to WED before the festival starts.

I know some of you early 60s music fans will be there. Look me up if you can find me. I will show you some cloud miracles as part of my Cloudmania tour.

Devin
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (Jul 17, 2007 12:17PM)
For those on my list, expect a PM soon. I'll begin collecting payment for the reserved copies today. You know who you are ;)

Great work, Devin!

Cheers,
Jerome.
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (Jul 17, 2007 01:57PM)
I would appreciate it if the following people could PM me:

John K. (Houdini)

Mental Mike

Rory the Great

Switch

MagicMike

Most all others should have heard from me already.

Thanks!

-Jerome.
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jul 17, 2007 01:58PM)
I have had a few people change their mind. If you still want a book try to PM. I am able to get a few PMs now. First come, if your PM bounces back, I don't have any left.
Message: Posted by: Joshua Barrett (Jul 17, 2007 02:09PM)
Yes thanks devin got your return PM. will send payment tomarrow I'm waiting for a check to clear on paypal
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jul 17, 2007 02:44PM)
BTW, speaking of my Cloudmania tour, two weeks before I was up at the Falls in Canada. The sky was full of clouds. I got on the maid of the mist along with my girlfriend and a couple of friends. I told them to look at the sky, which contained hundreds of clouds. I told them before the boat ride was over (20 minutes) I would clear the sky of ALL the clouds.

Sure enough when the ride was over, there was one small cloud left in the sky. I got off the boat and busted the cloud leaving a CLEAR BLUE sky.

One of my smart alec friends, said, betcha can't put them back. I said oh yes I can and waved my hand toward the sky. Within seconds clouds started to reappear and within 10 minutes hundreds of clouds once again filled the blue sky.

This is a TRUE story. Hey Jerome, can you figure out how I did part two of this effect? This is something new I discovered AFTER the first book was written. If we do a second book, I will reveal how to PUT them back like I did at the Falls.

Devin
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (Jul 17, 2007 03:11PM)
Devin,
Very clever! The work you have described is outside the scope of our book, and yes, I have worked with it. I've sent you my formula (mathematics of all things!), that allows for these changes to happen. It is a solid way to re-create the miracle . . . again, excellent work.

The only hesitation I have in doing it is this . . .
If I bust the entire sky and "leave the blue", I NEVER bring them back. It's like metal bending . . . I never bend the spoons back and ask that others do not either. I spent a lot of "energy" doing these things, and it's disrespectful to alter them afterwords.

HOWEVER, you were responding to a challenge and in that case, it is completely justifiable. As you know, I love challenges and rush to except them. I would have done the same thing in your shoes.

I've discovered a condition and a formation that allows the cloud buster to tear a gigantic hole through the center of a cloud, leaving a doughnut in the sky. Nothing else happens, you just get one enormous cloud with a terrible hole peeled through the middle. It is very strong.

I'm still learning about this work all the time. A volume 2 could include these things. Book 1 details the methods I have used for years and years, and covers my handling for the completed cloud bust, which is a signature effect of mine.

Devin has been getting a tremendous response from his weather control techniques . . . there will certainly be something for everyone here.

Best,
J.
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jul 17, 2007 03:16PM)
That is correct, Jerome and I constantly discover new things we can do. When we wrote the first book we didn't hold anything back. Remember It got delayed because I kept adding in new discoveries. Finally it got to the point to where I had to say enough already and publish the book.

If there is enough interest, there may be a second book with our new discoveries. Paul Vigil has come up with some ideas and given them to Jerome to include in a second volume.

Don't start asking us when volume two is coming out. We don't know yet if we have enough material for a volume two, but it is a possibility if there is enough interest in a volume 2.

Devin
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (Jul 17, 2007 03:34PM)
Paul shared one or two ideas with me that were golden.

If a volume two were to be produced, I would LOVE to see others additions and take on the feat. I'm not pushing for a volume two, but if there is enough interest and good content, I'm game.

I would consider including my pet effect that was omitted from the first book, using a large crystal and a 45 minute presentation that centers around a single cloud bust. Perhaps I will also tip my work on the cloud busting experiential "workshop" and psi-parties for entertainment.

Just some thoughts :)

-J.
Message: Posted by: VcosNJ (Jul 17, 2007 04:17PM)
Great! I put my order in. Once again, I'm looking forward to some fine reading. :)
Message: Posted by: Psy-Kosh (Jul 17, 2007 04:25PM)
Gah... no fair teasing us about the possibility of a book 2 when we don't even have book 1 in our hands. Is this some sort of experiment, trying to see if one can be driven mad by nothing more than a concentration of anticipation? :D

Aaanyways, paypaled and waiting....
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Jul 17, 2007 04:36PM)
My money sent :) Haha I don't even have the book yet and want a volume 2!
Message: Posted by: Hansen (Jul 17, 2007 04:58PM)
Me 2 for Vol 2 and I don't even have 1 yet!
Message: Posted by: Vinnie Laraway (Jul 17, 2007 06:20PM)
HAHA! Jerome and Devin are going to have a waiting list for Volume 2 before it's even written! :lol:

-Vinnie
Message: Posted by: Dan McLean (Jul 17, 2007 06:35PM)
Just ordered mine. I was working so fast I fat fingered it and wound up sending AUD dollars!! That converted to $40 USD. Had to send another $5.
I must be a little excited.
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Jul 17, 2007 07:03PM)
Remember guys, as the book comes near to it's limited release

"Keep it secret, Keep it safe"
-Gandalf
Message: Posted by: weapon (Jul 18, 2007 11:36AM)
Ahh my reserve is in!!
Message: Posted by: Lawrens Godon (Jul 18, 2007 12:42PM)
Hi, jerome,
I'm not at home until monday or tuesday...Pleeease hold my book! :O)
I'll send you the $$ as soon as I'm home.
Between, until sunday I work for a huge street festival in Chalon sur Saone, France...great to know that next year I'll surely be able to include some clouds effects in my act!!!
And...count me in for volume 2!!
Keep up the good work!
Best,
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (Jul 18, 2007 02:04PM)
Lawrens,

I will surely hold your reservation, no worries.

On the other hand, Devin and I each took reservations from the same people, and so it happens that I have a few (very few) of the books still available for reserve. Please contact me if interested.

I'd like to thank everyone here, once again, for their overwhelming support and encouragement. You guys are the best!

-Jerome
Message: Posted by: JustinCredible28 (Jul 18, 2007 04:49PM)
Just Ordered mine :) Can't wait! Btw, Jerome & Devin, could you autograph mine "To Justin"? (I know-- alert the autograph-nerd alarm, haha) If not, no worries, just thought I would ask since I don't live near you guys and can't get it signed in person-- Take care, and again, Congratulations on the new book!

--Justin--
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jul 18, 2007 05:15PM)
I just wanted to point out that Jerome and I only had a limited amount of copies available. All those were reserved for people who asked us to hold one for them. To date I've only heard from less than a third of the people and the majority have read PM to them.

I just want to point out that at least on my end, if I don't hear from you by this Monday then your reserve copy will go someone on the waiting list. If you no longer want the book that is fine, just let me know so I can release it to someone else.

So far every copy of this book (including reserves has been accounted for, with Murphys getting the remaining units)

Devin
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (Jul 18, 2007 05:30PM)
For the people getting a copy from me, they will be signed by Devin and have a short personal message and signature from me.

Thanks for your support, again.

There are a lot of people still contacting me for a copy. I do have a few left due to double orders . . . right now there are 3 or 4 left available due to double reservations.

Thanks and kind regards,
J.

P.S. Devin, I love your avatar signature, lol!
Message: Posted by: terrick (Jul 18, 2007 06:01PM)
[quote]
On 2007-07-18 18:30, TT2 wrote:P.S. Devin, I love your avatar signature, lol!
[/quote]


As much as I hate the song, you should make it say, "I make it rain"... with a matching [url=http://cgi.ebay.com/XL-make-it-rain-funny-emo-vintage-t-shirt-college-party_W0QQitemZ300129750727QQihZ020QQcategoryZ15687QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem]shirt[/url]
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (Jul 18, 2007 06:08PM)
Hahahaha, cool shirt!
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jul 18, 2007 06:24PM)
I'm off tomorrow to GoodStock Music Festival where I will busting clouds. Three days of Peace, Love, Music and Cloud Busting. What a combination.

I hope I run into some of you there, I know I'm not the only lover of early sixties psychedelic music on the Café and making clouds vanish fits right in. Man, some of these cats are going to really think they are tripping when they see what I do with the clouds.

Jerome has an effect in the book where you make the clouds swirl....wow boy, will I have a ball with that one. Swirling and vanishing clouds along with psychedelic music from the 60s. Right ON!

Devin
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Jul 18, 2007 08:30PM)
Awesome, swirling clouds. I just finished reading through The zombie survival guide by max brooks and went to page 132 to get a sense on the pages for cloudbusting...that's gonna be a lot of pages on the topic.

I don't know the specifics on the cloud swirl but making it look like you could conjure a storm (clouds that swirl sometimes look like an eye of a hurricane :) ) w/ some rain from rainmaker that could be frightening fun :)
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jul 18, 2007 09:26PM)
Swirling Clouds is an advanced technique that Jerome covers in his section. This will take some practice to master it. It's not as easy as just making a cloud vanish.
Message: Posted by: Alan Patrick (Jul 18, 2007 11:01PM)
Devin,

quick question...I sent my payment for the book to you via paypal this morning...should I be expecting an PM confirmation from you or an email? I just want to make sure you got it...

Thanks again both of you for sharing these techniques with all of us...btw you could have charged a lot more than what you're asking for (i think I speak for a lot of ppl here when I say I would have paid more for it)lol....but thanks for keeping it reasonable.

:)
Message: Posted by: houston_3721 (Jul 19, 2007 06:36AM)
Devin, I will send the money tomorrow. :)

Also, may I ask for your signature please? (on the inside cover maybe?) :P
Thanks very much again!
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jul 19, 2007 06:54AM)
I will autograph all the books I send out.
Message: Posted by: Marc Frese (Jul 19, 2007 07:06AM)
How many books are printed?
Message: Posted by: Christopher Williams (Jul 19, 2007 07:07AM)
Has everyone who reserved received a PM? I PMed Jerome ages ago and was told I was on the list but haven't received any contact...
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Jul 19, 2007 07:36AM)
I received a PM from Jerome and paid. Hopefully he'll see your post and notify you for payment.
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jul 19, 2007 07:48AM)
400 books are being printed. Some of these are for friends and review copies to established magazines. Jerome and I have split a supply of the books and the rest go to Murphy's. Murphy's will NOT have enough books to supply all the dealers who want it.

I've PM all my people and only about third have responded. I will be contacting these people again today. I'm sure Jerome will re-contact his as we have lots of people on a backup waiting list.
Message: Posted by: the levitator (Jul 19, 2007 10:18AM)
I received my PM on Monday I believe and I sent my money on Tuesday. I was also curious if we would be receiving a confirmation email that the book has shipped? I am very much looking forward to it!!
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jul 19, 2007 10:25AM)
When the book ships everyone in the US will get a confirmation number. Oversea orders will be notified the book has shipped.
Message: Posted by: Jlowhy (Jul 19, 2007 12:36PM)
Is it too late now if I'll like to get it from you, Devin or Jerome?

If that's the case then I suppose I'll have to go through Murphy's only right?

Thanks.
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Jul 19, 2007 06:39PM)
Agh, it is so soon!

Start on Volume 2 :lol:
------
Jlowhy, Murphy's I believe only ships to dealers. Those dealers are usually mjm, hocus pocus, or some other site. Just some of the normal online shops :)

"Murphy's Magic Supplies, Inc. Is a wholesale magic distributor.
We do not sell to the public. Only authorized dealers can purchase and gain access to pricing and availability.
MSRP information is the manufacturers suggested retail base price and does not include taxes, import fees, VAT,
or other fees that may affect the final cost-check with your magic shop for final price.
Magicians, if you see any magic you like, contact your favorite magic shop. "
Message: Posted by: Jlowhy (Jul 19, 2007 10:03PM)
Yup, thanks Blindside, my local magic shop deals with Murphy's so I meant to get it through my local shop. Wasn't clear with it.
Message: Posted by: socter (Jul 20, 2007 01:45AM)
Hi Devin, I sent you the payment for the book via paypal please confirm
Message: Posted by: JustinCredible28 (Jul 20, 2007 03:31AM)
Just remembered I have this book (See link to picture below), and went & dug it out! Anybody else have, or read this? Good stuff-- very informative and gorgeous photos! I guess this will have to suffice until next week's arival, haha :) although I'd be willing to bet these would be good in conjunction with one another. What do you think, Devin & Jerome? http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p26/justunes28/img247.jpg

--Justin--
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Jul 20, 2007 07:06AM)
You getting paid to advertise advil? lol Really, your getting the book as well? Awesome, because I'll need help taking on these clouds in Washington ;p
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jul 20, 2007 07:16AM)
Advil can be handle, all that mental engery busting clouds might give you a headache. LOL.
BTW I have had quite a few people on my reserve list and waiting list cancel because they have other bills and can't take the book. If you still want a copy there may be a slim chance of getting one. PM me.
Message: Posted by: houston_3721 (Jul 20, 2007 11:55AM)
Devin, I've sent the payment and sent you a PM. Thanks.
Message: Posted by: neoepicurus (Jul 20, 2007 12:52PM)
Devin,

After getting your email with the payment details, I've sent my payment too (with Paypal).
Request: Before the 7 days allowed for payment are up, could you confirm our payment as soon as you receive it?

Thanks.
Message: Posted by: terrick (Jul 20, 2007 02:00PM)
[quote]
On 2007-07-20 08:06, Blindside785 wrote:
You getting paid to advertise advil?[/quote]


Haha, gotta love product placement!
Message: Posted by: JustinCredible28 (Jul 20, 2007 05:23PM)
Hey Blindside, yeah-- I'm gettin the book-- we will be bustin' WA, allright! :) As far as product placement, and Advil paying me, haha, no-- that was an accident, should have checked more carefully in front of me before I snapped the pic, haha! I am no photographer-- but, does anybody else out there like or know this book I took a pic of? :)

--Justin--
Message: Posted by: THEGUY26 (Will Swanson) (Jul 20, 2007 05:25PM)
Um, is that the cloudbusting book?
Just kidding.
Message: Posted by: Vinnie Laraway (Jul 20, 2007 06:59PM)
[quote]
On 2007-07-20 18:23, JustinCredible28 wrote:
should have checked more carefully in front of me before I snapped the pic, haha!
[/quote]

Now what would have made my day is if instead of Advil being mistakenly in the picture, it was a male enhancement pill bottle. :rotf:

But on a more serious note, my money is being sent to Jerome right now via snail mail. CANT WAIT! =]

-Vinnie
Message: Posted by: edh (Jul 20, 2007 07:53PM)
Or a bottle of Cialis/Viagra. :lol:
Message: Posted by: JustinCredible28 (Jul 21, 2007 12:51AM)
Haha, You guys are funny! :) Maybe I should have just taken the pic in frony of the medicine cabinet, haha!

--Justin-- (Been Busting Clouds since not yet)
Message: Posted by: socter (Jul 21, 2007 01:53AM)
Do we need to expect a conformation that our payment is received or is the next time you contact us going to be regarding the shipping?
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jul 21, 2007 05:39AM)
If you got a confirmation email from Paypal then I received your payment. I will send eveyone a notice and tracking number as the packages are sent.
Message: Posted by: ragingcalm (Jul 21, 2007 06:56AM)
Chris, I too was told I was on Jerome's List but have yet to receive a PM. Hopefully I'm still on the list!! May be something to do with international shipping?
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jul 21, 2007 07:50AM)
You should have gotten a PM from Jerome. We have both contacted everyone on our PM list. The books start shipping this week coming up. The shipment to Murphys will go out at the end of the week. The wait is almost over for everyone.
Devin
Message: Posted by: Marc Frese (Jul 21, 2007 08:06AM)
Hello Devin,
In my Paypal bank statement stands: Transfer successfully Concluded.
But I have still got no PM. ;o(
Message: Posted by: socter (Jul 21, 2007 09:23AM)
I didn't get a pm too. If you scroll up, you can see I asked Devin the same question although it was phrased differently. He replied:

If you got a confirmation email from Paypal then I received your payment. I will send eveyone a notice and tracking number as the packages are sent.
Message: Posted by: Marc Frese (Jul 21, 2007 09:28AM)
Now I have my PM!!!
You are great! And thanks for the efforts!!!!

And now one means to wait, until I hold the great book in my hands!!!
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (Jul 21, 2007 04:04PM)
Ragingcalm,

PM'd you!

-Jerome.
Message: Posted by: Psy-Kosh (Jul 21, 2007 09:50PM)
Hrm... I wonder if http://www.shd-wk.com/sw/index.php?strip_id=25 could be done. :D

Yooouuuuu arrreee gettting hungryyy.... :D
Message: Posted by: joseph (Jul 22, 2007 07:26AM)
Wow....27 pages, and the item has not even shipped yet... :) ..
Message: Posted by: socter (Jul 22, 2007 07:36AM)
For a realistic description of this book please avoid the pages from 4 - 25. XD

WARNING!!
If you read the middle pages you will think it is real magic.
Message: Posted by: Piz (Jul 22, 2007 08:11AM)
I have not read any of the 5 hundred and 54 pages of this thread, but WOW!! This sounds way to good to be true!! Can I at-least get one answer here? Does this effect come with the 500 mirrors needed to perform this effect (just praying this ain't no fluke!!, no offence)??

Thanks

Paul
Message: Posted by: Piz (Jul 22, 2007 08:20AM)
What this sounds like (certain cloud predictions), is that the performer looks at the sky beforehand, picks out a shape that goes with his routine or prediction, and then simulates that into his performance (obviously revealing the cloud after the selection was made, and proving there selection within the cloud). I am just guessing one part of the effect, but this really does sound common sense to me, and a lot of it (as a magician). Do not understand disappearing a cloud, or what ever the He11 is going on with appearing it. I will %100 be buying the book though, sounds very interesting!!

Paul
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Jul 22, 2007 01:36PM)
Hehe and Devin thought the thread wouldn't go up past 777 before the book is released, the impossible can happen :)
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Jul 22, 2007 08:25PM)
Devin, how did GOODSTOCK go? Stories please :)
Message: Posted by: Piz (Jul 23, 2007 06:09PM)
I would like to apologize as I learned there is much more to this then I previously thought. Looking forward to spending much time with this book, my order is in!

Paul
Message: Posted by: Jay Are (Jul 23, 2007 09:40PM)
My prediction is that this will be one of the fastest selling mentalism books of all time...

look out HP...
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Jul 23, 2007 09:45PM)
No doubt, 2 days until it ships.
Message: Posted by: paisa23 (Jul 23, 2007 10:42PM)
OK this just sounds unbeleavable. Where, when and how much is this? Link to order.
Message: Posted by: Vinnie Laraway (Jul 23, 2007 10:49PM)
PAISAAAA!!! Long time no see! Good to see you back bro!

Yeah, it's what were all looking forward to! =]

PM both Jerome and Devin. They may have a copy left for ya. If they're all taken, you need to contact Murphy's when they stock the remaining books (very few).

It's $45 - $40 for the book, $5 for shipping.

No link, just contact Jerome and Devin and they'll tell ya what to do.

They start shipping Wednesday. =]

Good to see ya back! Where you staying now?
-Vinnie
Message: Posted by: Piz (Jul 23, 2007 11:04PM)
Wow paisa, looking much different since your last couple pic's, especially the one you had last year at this time, good ta see ya back on. Yea, PM Devin or Jerome asap, I PM'd Devine this morning and out of stoke of luck he had one for me (guess some on the reserve list didn't pay, as he is only allowing 3 days for payment, then your off list and he goes ta the next man). I really cannot wait ta get mine, haven't read a book in a while, hope I remember how to!lol!

Paul
Message: Posted by: Lawrens Godon (Jul 24, 2007 08:37AM)
Hello Jerome,
I sent you a pm just to know what is the global cost for a shipping to France?
Ans where do I find the paypal button?
in your email adress?
Thanks,
Message: Posted by: Jay Are (Jul 24, 2007 09:03AM)
This work...

and the future piece...

Somerian Mosaic...

will be legendary classics...


My prediction
Message: Posted by: paisa23 (Jul 24, 2007 09:52AM)
Thanks a lot brother, just been working a lot still stationed in Montana. Ill be in Texas next month for a few weeks then Jersey in the End of December to the 8th of January. Vinny find out if there are any lectures at the round table(LINDEN) anyway please let me know how this book turns out, sounds truly amazing, and to be honest, hard to believe.
Message: Posted by: Vinnie Laraway (Jul 24, 2007 11:18AM)
Oh, I feel for ya brother. Jersey - it's the place to be. And it's got GREAT clouds! :bg:

The Roundtable has Jay Scott Berry Sept. 5th, and SAM (Greenbrook) has Bill Abbott Oct. 8th!

Hope you can get your hands on a book too! We can have a cloud busting war!! :lol:

-Vinnie
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jul 24, 2007 12:36PM)
Monday or Tuesday or next week I expect to see some of you guys posting reviews. The ones that get the first copies.
Message: Posted by: Vinnie Laraway (Jul 24, 2007 06:23PM)
YAY! :)

My payment has been recieved!

I can't believe I actually want to read a book so bad! =]
-Vinnie
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Jul 24, 2007 06:27PM)
I'll be sure to give it a lengthy unrevealed thought review on it after done reading :)
Message: Posted by: Dan McLean (Jul 24, 2007 10:10PM)
[quote]
On 2007-07-24 19:23, Vinnie Laraway wrote:
YAY! :)

My payment has been recieved!

I can't believe I actually want to read a book so bad! =]
-Vinnie
[/quote]

I can. You should have been there for the midnight offering of "Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows." Hundreds of us were partying at the Powell's Bookstore in Portland, Oregon. I believe similar I believe books are making a comeback. Glad to see it.
Message: Posted by: Dan McLean (Jul 24, 2007 10:13PM)
My daughter interrupt that post above. Should have proofread it but you get the point.
Message: Posted by: paisa23 (Jul 25, 2007 01:04AM)
Got my order in.
Message: Posted by: VcosNJ (Jul 25, 2007 05:34AM)
Today is the 25th! Let the countdown begin! :)
Message: Posted by: macc (Jul 25, 2007 05:39AM)
Devin, please check your inbox. I wrote you an important pm.
thanks
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jul 25, 2007 06:31AM)
[quote]
On 2007-07-25 06:34, VcosNJ wrote:
Today is the 25th! Let the countdown begin! :)
[/quote]

We are right on schedule. The printer has told me I can pick up the books late afternoon tomorrow. Depending on the time, I expect to ship some of the orders tomorrow afternoon. Others will go out Friday. Everyone has asked that I autograph the book to them. Jerome has also asked that I autograph the books he is sending out too.

Despite this I will try to get out as many books as possible on Thursday and Friday.
I have a festival I'm working this weekend, any books not shipped will then ship on Monday. I expect to have all orders shipped no later than Tuesday, probably all will be shipped by Monday. All orders will be shipped in the order of the reservation. If you were one of the first people to reserve a copy, then your copy will be among the first mailed.
Message: Posted by: socter (Jul 25, 2007 06:55AM)
That is good to hear. Again I would like to thank you and Jerome for all you commitment to the thread and to us. I think I speak for everyone when I say this.
I am eagerly awaiting my copy of the book
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jul 25, 2007 07:01AM)
We both appreciate this. Now that the book will start shipping, I expect many of you will take over the thread with your experiences. We've both put in a lot of hard work on this project and we both hope this becomes the classic work on the subject.
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jul 25, 2007 07:06AM)
For those of you who would like to see what the actual cover of the book looks like:
http://users.zoominternet.net/~devin/cloudcover.jpg
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jul 25, 2007 07:10AM)
Want to see and read the actual back cover of the book?
http://users.zoominternet.net/~devin/cloudcover.jpg
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jul 25, 2007 07:11AM)
Sorry, back cover is this link:
http://users.zoominternet.net/~devin/backcover.pdf


Want to read all the secrets in between the front cover and the back cover?
Click her.....

Sorry, you have to buy the book to read what is inside.
Message: Posted by: paisa23 (Jul 25, 2007 08:08AM)
HAHAHAHAHA!!!
Message: Posted by: Lawrens Godon (Jul 25, 2007 10:10AM)
Socter wrote: "Again I would like to thank you and Jerome for all you commitment to the thread and to us. I think I speak for everyone when I say this.
I am eagerly awaiting my copy of the book"

I surely second that, thanks so much for releasing what will become one of the most amazing book ever, the cloud magic classic...

I for sure will share my progresses as I'll study the techniques...this tread is gonna become the longer thread ever in a magic forum, lol !!

Jerome, I pm'ed you > Payement done. ^^

See you!
Message: Posted by: knickz4lyfe20 (Jul 25, 2007 10:22AM)
When should jerome get his books?
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jul 25, 2007 10:48AM)
I am sending Jerome his books Thursday by 2 day mail.
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (Jul 25, 2007 02:26PM)
So, there's the shipping specifics! :)

To everyone who has a book coming from me, ALL orders will ship out either the day I receive them (Sat. if it's not too late) or MONDAY morning.

This means, most of you will have the book in hand mid-late NEXT WEEK!!!

I'm excited and I know that you guys are as well. This project has been a joy to work on and Devin is tops! It's been my pleasure answering your questions and addressing any concerns. Thanks to all of you!!!

Cheers,
Jerome Finley.
Message: Posted by: houston_3721 (Jul 25, 2007 03:47PM)
Devin and Jerome, thanks very much and congratulations.

Hope that we all can finish reading the book quickly and try some miracles out on our own! I can't imagine how fun it will be when practising the techniques myself! :D

Do you think we can still try something out if the weather isn't so ideal? I am like one of those Harry Potter fans waiting for the book right now!
Message: Posted by: THEGUY26 (Will Swanson) (Jul 25, 2007 03:52PM)
Is there going to be a thread por pictures of clouds that people make after this book comes out?
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jul 25, 2007 03:52PM)
You will find something you can do in the book regardless of the weather, even if it's raining. You can apparently stop and start the rain if you use the techniques in my advanced control the weather section.

Devin
Message: Posted by: THEGUY26 (Will Swanson) (Jul 25, 2007 03:54PM)
Ooo! So kind of like Rainmaker by Peter Louhgran?
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (Jul 25, 2007 04:36PM)
[quote]
On 2007-07-25 16:54, THEGUY26 wrote:
Ooo! So kind of like Rainmaker by Peter Louhgran?
[/quote]

It looks quite a bit different, and Devin's work does not use a gimmick. Also, there is his handling for "Rainmaker" in the book, which can add to your cloud effects.

Best,
J.
Message: Posted by: JustinCredible28 (Jul 25, 2007 04:40PM)
I would like to send a thank you as well for all of the updates! :) By the way, you guys have impeccable timing: just saw a commercial fo this new show On Discovery Channel, Aug. 5th-- you guys have anything to do with this? haha!

http://dsc.discovery.com/tv-schedules/special.html?paid=1.15229.30548.0.0
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Jul 25, 2007 04:45PM)
Lol, to tame a hurricane don't you need very very warm condensation to mix in with the hurricane and that settles it? ...I shouldn't be watching the sci fi channel anymore lol
Message: Posted by: Jay Are (Jul 25, 2007 05:14PM)
Jerome actaully did something simmilar once...
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jul 25, 2007 05:22PM)
Yes, and it involves Katrina and is included in the book.
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jul 25, 2007 05:26PM)
Thank you guys for giving us 30,000 views, this is probably in the top 10 of all time most viewed threads. We appreciate it.
Message: Posted by: Psy-Kosh (Jul 25, 2007 05:34PM)
I think we're hoping that if we tug on the thread hard enough, it'll reel in the book. :)
Message: Posted by: THEGUY26 (Will Swanson) (Jul 25, 2007 06:59PM)
Well, you better get some Kevlar thread.
Message: Posted by: johnnymystic (Jul 25, 2007 08:16PM)
Yeah, wheres the book?
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Jul 25, 2007 08:32PM)
[quote]
On 2007-07-25 21:16, johnnymystic wrote:
Yeah, wheres the book?
[/quote]read the page before..
Message: Posted by: naquada (Jul 26, 2007 01:12PM)
[quote]
On 2007-07-25 18:26, magicbuilder wrote:
Thank you guys for giving us 30,000 views, this is probably in the top 10 of all time most viewed threads. We appreciate it.
[/quote]

as vinnie jones would say...

"It's been emotional..."
Message: Posted by: jeremy190 (Jul 26, 2007 02:11PM)
Does this use some kind of projector?
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (Jul 26, 2007 02:37PM)
[quote]
On 2007-07-26 15:11, jeremy190 wrote:
Does this use some kind of projector?
[/quote]

No. Go fish! :)

-J
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Jul 26, 2007 02:43PM)
It uses potatoes of some sort lol, just wait for the book :) It's very close.
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jul 26, 2007 03:35PM)
I don't really expect any detailed reviews soon. The book has started shipping, but once you see the wealth of information you will find it staggering. You guys need to really read it cover to cover to grasp all the ideas and then you will want to read it over again several times. It's a virtual encyclopedia of effects. Enjoy.

In fact in part two Jerome packs so much information and ideas (sometimes only mentioning it in a sentence or two)that each time I re-read his section, I pick up something I missed the first time. I've read his section at least 50 times in proofing and each time walked away with a new idea I missed the first time. This is a book to be studied over and over.

Devin
Message: Posted by: IlDaDe (Jul 26, 2007 04:14PM)
Paid!
Message: Posted by: Vinnie Laraway (Jul 26, 2007 04:18PM)
[quote]
On 2007-07-26 17:14, IlDaDe wrote:
Paid!
[/quote]

Feel's good - don't it? :)

-Vinnie
Message: Posted by: IlDaDe (Jul 26, 2007 05:57PM)
[quote]
On 2007-07-26 17:18, Vinnie Laraway wrote:
[quote]
On 2007-07-26 17:14, IlDaDe wrote:
Paid!
[/quote]

Feel's good - don't it? :)

-Vinnie
[/quote]

yeah, absolutely!! :)
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Jul 26, 2007 07:19PM)
Ooh just looked at the cover and back, must've missed them. Thanks for making the book look tasty :)
Message: Posted by: magicinsight (Jul 27, 2007 10:43AM)
I have just finished reading the book and I will post a review either tonight or tomorrow night. In brief, it is truly an encyclopedia of cloud effects. There is a great variety of effects all of which are clearly discussed in detail. I was very pleased with the way the book was written. I think everybody will be happy with the book. More about the book in my review to follow.

Michael
Message: Posted by: the levitator (Jul 27, 2007 11:21AM)
I haven't received a PM yet on my copy being shipped. Maybe I misread an earlier post. Are we being notified by PM here at the Café, or by email with the email addresses used for our Paypal accounts?
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jul 27, 2007 11:32AM)
In most cases the email used for Paypal. In fact James I am packing yours right now to go out today. LOL...say Hi to Jennifer. I will autograph it to you. Thanks

Devin
Message: Posted by: the levitator (Jul 27, 2007 03:29PM)
Jen's going to be thrilled that she was mentioned here! BTW, she's also thrilled that I'm going to be adding the Glass Box Prediction to an upcoming event. It's currently her favorite effect that I've purchased to date. I have been holding off on working it in because I'm trying to find enough ways to make it more unique to my performing style. Out of respect to more successful performers than myself, I always strive to change whatever I can in a routine to avoid just cloning them. That's why I'm so excited about the Cloudbusting book, as it sounds like more a book of concepts and ideas that a creative person can mold into their own presentations. Thanks for the heads-up Devin! I am really looking forward to another product by you! :D
Message: Posted by: Mental_Mike (Jul 27, 2007 03:46PM)
I'm really looking forward to getting this next week. Now I can't wait until I get Forsight and Jeromes new book which will be worth the wait!
Message: Posted by: VcosNJ (Jul 27, 2007 05:04PM)
Yeah, mine should be on the way, I hope. At least I have the Sessions book to read while I wait. :)
Message: Posted by: Jay Are (Jul 27, 2007 06:07PM)
I can't stress enough the level of expertise Jerome has on this subject...

when someone can perform something for me via the internet that is as mind blowing as his cloud busting is -- that's incredible.

I have experience the closest thing to real magic in the form of Jerome's Work...

Ask him about his ability to bend silverware via the internet ( yes it is possible ) and yes he has done it...

so close to the real thing it's SCARY!
Message: Posted by: magicinsight (Jul 27, 2007 07:28PM)
In the book, Devin discusses how to make a cloud burst over a cell phone.
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jul 27, 2007 08:59PM)
Yeah, that is scary too, call anyone and have them chose a cloud and you make it vanish over the phone!
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jul 27, 2007 09:05PM)
UPDATE: Some of you already have your books (those who requested overnight express)Some will get them tomorrow, a lot of you will get them Monday. I did send out some tracking numbers, but this was taking away from shipping time to send emails, so I focused more on getting orders out than sending emails saying I had shipped the book.
The majority of US orders were shipped today via 2 day priority mail. Monday I will focus on the remaining US orders and tackle the foreign orders since I have to fill out custom papers.

Jerome's books have been autographed by me and are on the way to him. I'd say by Mid week coming up almost anyone in the states will have their copy in hand. Most foreign orders went with the First class option so when your books ship on Monday it will take you 8 to 12 days to get them. Only 2 people with with Global Priority mail and they should have them within 7 days.

This gives you an update so you don't have to wonder if your book has shipped. Most of them have. Still I think by Wed most everyone in the US should have their copy and this includes those who ordered from Jerome.

Devin
Message: Posted by: Dan McLean (Jul 27, 2007 10:05PM)
Personally I appreciate how you've kept us up to date on this, Devin. It's most appreciated. The worse part of a venture like this, at least for me, is wondering what's going on.
Message: Posted by: houston_3721 (Jul 28, 2007 12:43PM)
Thanks for the update, Devin. I've never ever been so excited about a book in my life. For the time being, I hope to see some brief reviews from those who have read it. :)

By the way, I am now deciding whether to go to study in Australia in the near future. Do you think it's any good to do the cloud effects in Australia (where from most of the pictures I've seen, there's always a clear blue sky with nearly no clouds at all) ?
Message: Posted by: Hansen (Jul 28, 2007 03:41PM)
Hi houston_3721,
I'm looking out my window here in Brisbane, Australia, and the sky is filled with heavy clouds. Don't worry, if you come to Australia to study I promise we'll serve up enough clouds for you to bust. We're very obliging and hospitable.
Cheers,
Jason
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (Jul 28, 2007 07:24PM)
[quote]
On 2007-07-25 17:45, Blindside785 wrote:
Lol, to tame a hurricane don't you need very very warm condensation to mix in with the hurricane and that settles it? ...I shouldn't be watching the sci fi channel anymore lol
[/quote]

Speaking of hurricanes and such . . . Thursday night, half a dozen people witnessed an event that will change their lives forever.

My fiance and I were having guests over for dinner. Upon their arrival, there was an enormous cloud DIRECTLY over my house. It was black and blue and green . . . like the end of "Ghostbusters" :)

Our friends have seen my cloud busting, and wondered what was up . . . using methods and presentations from the book, I went into my demonstration.

First, day became night in a matter of minutes . . . the entire sky went pitch black. Now came the wind. It was amazing! Rolling thunder and lightning followed shortly, and then violent rain and hail.

Tornado warnings flashed across the television, all the lights went out, came back on and continued to flicker throughout the demonstration . . . after taking quite the beating and making a HUGE impression, I offered to end the storm, and did in a matter of a few minutes. Everything became quiet and peaceful. The rain stopped and the air was still. These people were freaked out in a huge way . . . imagine me standing outside, the wind and waters lashing at me from above; a key I'm holding begins to twist and melt . . . and the elements react accordingly, responding to my every wish and whimper.

It was a fantastic performance and not to be taken lightly. It is all they could speak about the entire evening, and now the phone calls just keep pouring in. It is AMAZING at how fast word of mouth travels, and this was no exception.

Best,
Jerome Finley
Message: Posted by: THEGUY26 (Will Swanson) (Jul 28, 2007 07:32PM)
Are you being worhipped now?
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (Jul 28, 2007 07:36PM)
In fact, I AM ;)

-J.

P.S., I can't wait for people to start receiving the book and commenting. I trust it will have been worth the wait for everyone involved.
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Jul 28, 2007 07:59PM)
Reading your stories get me so excited, I can't imagine how I excited I'll be reading on the workings of how these things are done and putting them into work.
Message: Posted by: Jacob Smith (Jul 28, 2007 08:10PM)
Has anyone posted a review yet, I'm really interested in hearing what people thought of the book?
Message: Posted by: gmmagic124 (Jul 28, 2007 08:16PM)
I sure would love to hear a full review.

From the sound of it, looks like it will probably be a while for a detail review due to all the information you have to read and absorb.
Message: Posted by: Jay Are (Jul 28, 2007 08:22PM)
I think that a review this soon will no doubt be from someone who did not fully absorb the material in the book.

Immediate reviews are usually not great...
Message: Posted by: THEGUY26 (Will Swanson) (Jul 28, 2007 08:22PM)
Just look at the topic above this.
Message: Posted by: gmmagic124 (Jul 28, 2007 08:22PM)
Wow... even as we speak... out comes a review...

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=219633&forum=218&2&start=0#1
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jul 28, 2007 08:38PM)
My story from today isn't as dramatic as Jerome's but still interesting. I was working an outdoor festival today in Jamestown, PA. The weatherman was forecasting Rain and showers. Everyone was concerned that the rain would come and ruin the festival. I told people I would prevent the rain from raining on the festival. In fact I said I EVEN WROTE THE BOOK on the subject. I just happened to have a copy of our book and quickly opened to the chapter titled. CHANGING THE WEATHER. (of course I didn't let anyone actually read the book or hold it)I said I would stop the prevent the rain from raining over the festival. The sky was full of dark clouds, but no rain fell. Within a few minutes the clouds went away and the SUN COME OUT for most of the day. People coming to the festival said there were drastic thunderstorms ALL AROUND the festival! Greenville, PA was hit with major thunderstorms and that was only 10 miles away. Yet the storms did not hit the festival.

I did my outdoor show to perfect weather (despite the forecast) Through out the day, I walked around and said to people, do you want to thank me know or later for bringing out the sunshine? People were stunned as I flashed the book and took credit for the sunshine (despite the fact we were surrounded by thunderstorms).

When the festival was over I drove 5 miles down the road and the sky was almost black with heavy rain and I drove home thru the rain.

Call us weird but sometimes it appears that Jerome and I really have the power for real to control the weather. I'm a skeptic but sometimes I amaze myself.

Those who REALLY understand the book will understand how I pulled this off. Having the actual book I wrote added credibility to my claims. It's one thing to say you can stop the rain and make the sun come out. When it happens, people are amazed.

However, if someone is skeptical...being able to say, NOT ONLY did you do it, but you wrote the book and the subject (which sounds like a joke)and then producing the actual book really FREAKS out people. LOL

Sorry guys, but only Jerome and I will be able to pull off this bit about saying I wrote the book and then producing an actual REAL book teaching techniques for changing the weather.

One lady said, can I see that book. I told her jokingly, "If I let you see the book, I will have to kill you."
Message: Posted by: Jacob Smith (Jul 28, 2007 08:53PM)
Que the twilight zone music.....
Message: Posted by: Ed Mauve (Jul 28, 2007 10:08PM)
I wish I can order from Devin Knights and Jerome then my book will be autographed, but guess will have to do with just the book.
Just ordered my copy, awaiting eagerly for its arrival now.

Cheers.
Message: Posted by: chichi711 (Jul 28, 2007 10:19PM)
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On 2007-07-28 21:10, magician 336 wrote:
Has anyone posted a review yet, I'm really interested in hearing what people thought of the book?
[/quote]

I have posted a review
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Jul 29, 2007 06:54PM)
Today's episode....In our previous posting, I had prevented Rain from ruining an outdoor festival. It was a two day festival. When I arrived this morning, the sky was completely blue, not a cloud anywhere, and the sun was hot, pounding down on us.

A vendor came up and said, I heard you can make clouds appear. Could you do something about the sky and make some clouds to cool it off? I told her I would. I asked her if she wanted the sky full or just a handful. She said fill the sky.
Within half an hour the sky was FULL of clouds. She walked by later and gave me a thumbs up, saying she had notice how all the clouds had formed within half an hour of her request.

She said the sun was still hot. I told her I would solve that, waved my hand and HUGE cloud moved over the sun giving us some brief shade and coolness.

It has been said that some of the effects in our book are not practical, including the one I just mentioned. The conditions were right and once again a miracle was apparently created. Those who read the book will understand how this was pulled off.

Devin
Message: Posted by: paisa23 (Jul 30, 2007 03:28AM)
Man I really want to go home and read this book. Wont be home till tuesday. Hope its there.