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Topic: Best new magic for table-hoppers
Message: Posted by: Jared (Feb 1, 2002 06:13PM)
Here's something I think everyone can relate to and perhaps add some valuable input- that is magic equipment purchases.

With such a vast array of questionable material on the market today (i.e. 'junk'). We are faced with difficult purchasing decisions to find the best values. The best source that I'm sure most of you read is Michael Close's column in the Magic Magazine. Though it is a good read, many tricks, books, videos etc. go unnoticed namely because of the sheer volume of new material being released to the market.

So the question remains-how can we protect ourselves from being seduced by strong advertising? Might I stress that opinions of
'value' will probably differ greatly from person-to-person because of performing styles, conditions, routining etc.

Still, I think we can universally agree on many items that are worthy of consideration. That said, I'd like to get a discussion going on purchases starting from 2001- forward.

If anyone purchased 'Arising Cards' in 2000-2001 than I KNOW that you understand what I'm talking about!

Here's a couple of my favorites from 2001 to get the ball rolling.

1) Lighting Card Case
2) 'My Ring Collection'
3) Doug Brewer's 'The Unexpected Visitor' Book
4) 'Psyched Out' (though the directions and method are terrible and need re-work).
5) Simon Aronson 'Try the Impossible' Book

Start your keyboards...!

- Jared
Message: Posted by: Randy (Feb 1, 2002 07:04PM)
Magnetized Cards - Gary Plants
The entire Ron Bauer Private Studies series
Mike Skinner videos
Message: Posted by: tboehnlein (Feb 1, 2002 09:15PM)
Try the Impossible, Completely Cold, Jeff McBrides Stage Magic
Message: Posted by: Andy Charlton (Feb 4, 2002 01:29AM)
This may not be new. But....

DOC EASON'S Bar Magic video series.

The best

Andy
Message: Posted by: Jared (Feb 4, 2002 08:39AM)
Andy,
Yes, I agree that the Doc Eason videos were amongst the best advice/material ever sold. It was one of my top picks in 2000.

- Jared
Message: Posted by: Bernard Sim (Feb 4, 2002 04:56PM)
Doug Brewer's 'The Unexpected Visitor' Book
Troy Hooser's "DesTROYer" book.
Knockout Coin Magic DVD by Michael Rubinstein
Message: Posted by: Jared (Feb 4, 2002 05:08PM)
Bernard,
I also liked Troy Hooser's book as he brought so many new ideas to the table....It was a good read. What routines were your favorites?
- Jared
Message: Posted by: Brandon Harper (Feb 4, 2002 06:34PM)
I have to go with "The Commercial Magic of J.C. Wagner." Great Stuff!!!
Message: Posted by: Jared (Feb 5, 2002 03:09PM)
Dear Closeupmaster,

Does it get any better than 'JC's Super Closer'? How about 'Poor Man's Matrix'?
These are wonderful routines, but are not the easiest to utilize in table-hopping situations, because of the need of a close-up mat. Just the same there are some others that would work in such venues. How about NEW stuff from 2001-2002? JC's book is a few years old.

- Jared

PS Purchase his videos Volume 1 & 2 - great investments!
Message: Posted by: Bernard Sim (Feb 7, 2002 06:01PM)
Hi Jared, I like the routine "A Charming Chinese Challange." I actually got his book
"Silver Surf" and "Silver Surf II". DesTROYers has got everything in Silver Surf.
Message: Posted by: amakar (Jul 15, 2005 01:30PM)
Milt Kort's All Outs Think A Card
Cursed Ring

http://www.thinklikeaconjurer.com
Message: Posted by: Countage (Jul 15, 2005 02:05PM)
I like the Ninja rings and the Hundy 500.
Message: Posted by: The Mighty Fool (Jul 15, 2005 02:20PM)
[quote]

Here's a couple of my favorites from 2001 to get the ball rolling.

1) Lighting Card Case
2) 'My Ring Collection'
3) Doug Brewer's 'The Unexpected Visitor' Book
4) 'Psyched Out' (though the directions and method are terrible and need re-work).
5) Simon Aronson 'Try the Impossible' Book


[/quote]

Geez.....I've never even heard of ANY of those!
Napkin rose
Invisible deck
Stealth pen
Message: Posted by: TheAmbitiousCard (Jul 15, 2005 02:30PM)
If just dvd/videos:
charlie frye eccentricks 1 , 2
fiber optics
bob kohler's golden shells video
McBride commando act
TORN
carney, up close and far away
dave, dave2, magic farm
osterlind mind mysteries
Ammar etmcm
mike close workers series
capehart rings
ninja rings
haydn rings
relentless ring and string
lennart green 1
patrick page sponge balls, thumb tip
roth 1,2,3
daryl rope 8
ray herbert performing for kids
Message: Posted by: Scott Compton (Jul 17, 2005 08:37PM)
Paul Harris' Art of Astonishment
Bill Malone - On the Loose
Sponge Bunnies
George Sands or Daryl's Rope Routine
Message: Posted by: Lee Darrow (Jul 20, 2005 12:11AM)
I've got to ask: why go for new? Why not go for BEST instead? Just because something is new, doesn't mean it's the best, or even good, for that matter.

There is some very old stuff out there that nobody is doing that absolutely kills at tableside and, to most of the younger magicians, would be completely new. Some exapmles:

Don Alan's Ranch Bird
Okito's Oho
Slydini's paper Balls To Box
Vernon's The Challenge
The Purse Swindle (an old con game from the UK that isn't well known over here at all)
Scoop Vanisher (do it in their hand for extra credit)
Victor's Magnetic Cards (Edward Victor)
Shigeo Takagi's Lemon Trick

And that's just for openers. Not new. All of it at least 30 years old. But I'm willing to bet that not one magician on this board under the age of 25 does any of these effects.

If they discover any of them, they will find gems.

Lee Darrow, C.H.
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Jul 20, 2005 12:20AM)
Lee hit it... why go for NEW when there is so much great classic material?

After all the KEY to entertaining is YOU... work on YOU.

I find that stuff I learned 20-30 years ago is the best material I have with few exceptions.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jul 20, 2005 11:42AM)
When I used to ask Jay Marshall about the best new tricks he always told me to look in old books. Chances are better than average that the new tricks are almost duplicated from them. The old coppies of the Pheonix, the Jinx and the Paulbearers Review are a virtual storehouse of information that would take 5 lifetimes to sucessfully master. Lots of good stuff, lots not so good.

A history lesson and a trick cavalcade how can ya beat it?
Message: Posted by: JeffWampler (Jul 20, 2005 02:56PM)
Sankey's Revolutionary Card Magic...

Paul Harris Art of Astonishment, although not new, is probably the best collection of fresh close-up material I've ever read...
Message: Posted by: JoeFreedom (Jul 21, 2005 08:29AM)
Lee is right on. Working at the local magic shop for the last umpteen years ( my free job!) I've seen a lot of garbage come & go. When ETMCM came out Everyone was twisting the aces. I dropped it. Magazines in ANY field are designed to make us want more of the latest. If you really want to blow 'em away at the next club meeting, go back to the old classics...everything old is new again!
Message: Posted by: Eric Jones (Jul 21, 2005 06:44PM)
Lee Darrow wrote:

Don Alan's Ranch Bird
Okito's Oho
Slydini's paper Balls To Box
Vernon's The Challenge
The Purse Swindle (an old con game from the UK that isn't well known over here at all)
Scoop Vanisher (do it in their hand for extra credit)
Victor's Magnetic Cards (Edward Victor)
Shigeo Takagi's Lemon Trick

And that's just for openers. Not new. All of it at least 30 years old. But I'm willing to bet that not one magician on this board under the age of 25 does any of these effects.


Lee, I'm 24 and perform Don Alans Ranch Bird and several of Slydinis effects including paperballs over the head, and a stand up version of paper balls in the hat. I'll try not to take offense to the fact that you'd believe no one under the age of 25 would have stumbled across any of these miracles, but I do understand the rationale behind your comment.

I have been lucky enough to have a mentor( the amazing Woody Landers) who has been more than gracious in sharing his knowledge of magic and what works for real people. And anyone who knows Woody also knows that if you show him one trick, he can give you 10 that are along those same lines from 30 years ago. As the serious student knows, this is an extremely valuable tool to have.

The problem with most of us in the newer generation of magic, is we don't take the time to read, nor do we actually STUDY magic. We emulate the styles of people we've come across in video, on DVD and consider ourselves magi. I was lucky enough to escape that line of thought.

If you are interested in other older effects for the table side conjuror along the same lines as these. Check out a couple of the coin effects in The Best of Benzais, or check out the Al Flosso book by Gary Brown, as they are some of my favorites......
Message: Posted by: Joshua Lozoff (Jul 22, 2005 02:46AM)
I'll be a tiny bit politically incorrect here, and say that SOMETIMES, newer is better, especially for younger magicians. There is some really cutting edge, extreme magic being created these days, and it's stuff Dai Vernon and Ed Marlo never would have thought of. Every other art progresses, both with technique and material, and I think it's possible that a unnecessary loyalty to traditional magic contributes to the old-fashioned image magic has with some folks.

I think theater and music are good comparisions. Yes, there are lots of revivals out there. Some wonderful shows that people (especially the older generation) will return to again and again. But can you imagine if there were no new shows. No theater tackling the issues of the day that people couldn't write about 30 or 50 years ago?

Which would you rather see, a fellow in the Holiday Inn singing old standards, or modern, topical music made for today's audiences. There are some great old songs, and thank goodness most contemporary artists include a remake or two on their albums. But that's 1 out of 12 or 13 tracks. I've often complained that if magic were music, most magicians would be Holiday Inn lounge lizards, performing pieces they're not connected to, and material that isn't so relevant to today's audiences.

magic can be as relevant and meaningful as other art forms, I think. And while every art form must rely on its past, it also has to move forward. I don't think there's anything wrong with looking for new material, and ESPECIALLY, looking for modern presentational styles.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jul 22, 2005 11:02AM)
Joshua your comparison is a bit flawed I am afraid. First of all we may very well think of ourslevs as an art form, but very few outside our little inbread community do. Theater and music do not compare correctly.

We are a lot more like the circus.

The problem with it is that there really is nothing new under the sun. Card gets picked, lost and found. That is basically card magic. There are exceptions to the rule, but in general this holds true.

Johnny Carson used to say there were only 7 jokes and all others are simply a variation of those. He was right.

Most new magic and "cutting edge" stuff can be traced pretty easily back to somewhere in time. Now taking old magic and making it 21st century, now that is cool. Making the "RED HOT MAMMA" a trick you can use without the tired old phrase "RED HOT MAMMA" for example. The point in looking at what has been done is to see what can be done, and what you can do with it.

By the way, most magicians ARE the equivilant of Holiday Inn lounge Lizards I agree wholeheartedly. But WHY is that the truth is the question.

Danny
Message: Posted by: JoeFreedom (Jul 22, 2005 02:38PM)
Joshua,

I agree that there is a lot of good new magic coming at us daily. I just get frustrated that that is all that many seem to do. I laud Godhandz for his list of excellent, well thought out, killer magic. New is not bad unless it is done to death. Look at stage magic. Most everyone seems to be doing basically the same illusions; eg., oragami, twister etc. Not bad, just too much of the same.

Joe