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Topic: Not molten lead in the mouth but...
Message: Posted by: gsidhe (Mar 28, 2007 02:04PM)
Molten wax.
I have heard of this being done, even read some of the technique. Has anyone here ever tried it? Have a reliable source about how to do it?
Lead seems a little daunting, but wax (Considering that it is not poisonous and won't actually burn skin on contact) seems a little more reasonable.
Any thoughts?
Gwyd
Message: Posted by: Freak Prodigy (Mar 28, 2007 02:13PM)
I've PMed you.
Message: Posted by: needledoc (Mar 28, 2007 06:40PM)
The trick with the molten lead actually uses antimony, because of its low melting point and the fact that it looks like lead. I am not sure if that is toxic, but I wouldn't want to be the first to find out.
Message: Posted by: Danny Borneo (Mar 28, 2007 07:26PM)
I had read that as well, in a verrrrryyyy old book (more like a pamphlet) on how sideshow stunts are performed. When read in context with the rest of the "methods" in the book, I think you can realize that the author wasn't informed at all and chances never even tried any of the stuff that he was giving advice on. The wikipedia entry for antimony has this to say -

Antimony and many of its compounds are toxic. Clinically, antimony poisoning is very similar to arsenic poisoning. In small doses, antimony causes headache, dizziness, and depression. Larger doses cause violent and frequent vomiting, and will lead to death in a few days.

Doesn't sound like something I would ever try.
Message: Posted by: erikkloeker (Mar 28, 2007 07:55PM)
Also on the Wikipeida article... "Melting Point 1167.13 " I don't think I'll be putting that in my mouth anytime soon, thanks.
Message: Posted by: jeremysweiss (Mar 28, 2007 11:58PM)
The molten lead stunt does NOT use antimony. I repeat it does NOT use antimony.
Message: Posted by: Kondini (Mar 29, 2007 03:46AM)
If you know of a Plumber (From the old school way of thinking) Ask about the safety cord used in oil fired boiler installations.

It consists of two tabs which are fixed together with a low melt point substance which is the colour of lead,,,if the boiler over heats or catches fire, this cord is positioned above, and upon separation cuts off the oil supply.

Replacement tabs (You will need a couple of dozen or so) Can be had very cheaply, melt down into a block and you will have an endless supply of molten lead compound.

I first did this on the BBC way back in 1968 and incorporated the finger dip into the lead as well,,,it`s a pretty strong opener for a stunt type act and worked well on the bally front of the Wall of Death for the whole of the 1972 season.

Ken
Message: Posted by: Tony Webs (Mar 29, 2007 12:39PM)
From what I remember reading in some of my Houdini's notes is ???????????????????
See the PM I sent to you
Have fun ................ don't have too much lead for your tea,
...........................I find it heavy and I can't pee.

Best Wishes
The Amazing Tony Webs
Ps.did you get my email...alas poor Oric....
Message: Posted by: Danny Borneo (Mar 29, 2007 01:01PM)
Watch out, Houdini also explained fire eating by saying that the performer swallowed an asbestos sheath so as not to burn their throat. I don't think I need to comment on that one. While he will always remain one of my favorite intriguing and slightly tortured personalities, he also was among the uninformed when it came to certain things.
Message: Posted by: Tony Webs (Mar 29, 2007 04:34PM)
Arnt we all?
Message: Posted by: Danny Borneo (Mar 29, 2007 04:37PM)
Well of course, difference is that from everything I've read and heard, Houdini never actually performed any of the sideshow stunts he performed. Best of luck coming up with a method for doing this successfully and safe.
Message: Posted by: Destiny (Mar 29, 2007 04:40PM)
He had a stand in?
Message: Posted by: Freak Prodigy (Mar 29, 2007 04:46PM)
He was a magician... :)
Message: Posted by: Destiny (Mar 29, 2007 04:58PM)
Sorry - my stupid...

Destiny
Message: Posted by: Danny Borneo (Mar 29, 2007 05:13PM)
Actually think that was partly my fault, just read my post and what I meant to say was "Houdini never actually performed or even tried any of the sideshow stunts he wrote about". So hope that clarifies it a little better.
Message: Posted by: Tony Webs (Mar 29, 2007 07:03PM)
True or not true ? He still kept notes that revealed various methods...its how they are used TODAY that matters in context with the question at hand.
Message: Posted by: Danny Borneo (Mar 29, 2007 07:10PM)
Your are very correct in that which is why I enjoy reading about the history of this art, I'm just curious if you are talking about the methods that he had detailed in Miracle Mongers and Their Methods?
Message: Posted by: Freak Prodigy (Mar 29, 2007 07:11PM)
That Houdini, how the hell can he make it to national news!!

they won't exhume him.


Brett.
Message: Posted by: Tony Webs (Mar 29, 2007 07:32PM)
Miracle mongs show their methods
and fools and their money are easily parted.
Message: Posted by: Danny Borneo (Mar 29, 2007 08:18PM)
Ok
Message: Posted by: Harley Newman (Mar 29, 2007 11:00PM)
He was supposed to have jotted down notes on any slip of paper that came to hand, and then had someone else organize them into books.

Considering his reputation as a thief of material, how likely does anyone think it, that he'd be given accurate information? Miracle Mongers has much fiction.
Message: Posted by: Sid Mayer (Mar 29, 2007 11:45PM)
I believe that there is an alloy called Woods Metal which has a melting point lower than that of antimony. One of its useless uses is in molding soup spoons that come apart in hot soup.

Sid
Message: Posted by: Tony Webs (Mar 30, 2007 03:35AM)
Jerseyrebel13
Well taken, its just that I noticed that all this stuff here is easily available to some one who just does google searchs, hence use of PM plus some just want to know for knowing sake....Time wasters :)

Wood's metal is a mixture of 50% bismuth, 25% lead, 12.5% tin, and 12.5% cadmium. It melts at a temperature of 158 Fahrenheit (70 Celcius),
( some mixtures at 62 celcius)
Do you want to put this in your mouth ?
Message: Posted by: jeremysweiss (Mar 30, 2007 09:22AM)
Wood's metal has cadmium. Cadmium is toxic and is not something that anyone should be putting in their mouths or even touching with their hands. True, in the days of yore, when environmental toxins and heavy metals were not a recognized problem, people did (and maybe still do) use this for the metal spoon effect. However, hopefully people are a bit more enlightened now and their health (and the health of others and the environment) matters to them.

I do this stunt and place my fingers into molten metal but I would advise everyone to stay away from this stunt unless you really know how it works. So far, nothing listed above (like the asbestos sheath) is practical unless you want to put your health at risk...What I mean to say is: Yes it COULD be done like that but the idea here is to minimize your health risk, not expose yourself to cancer and/or burn your fingers off.
Message: Posted by: Danny Borneo (Mar 30, 2007 09:30AM)
Jeremy, think there was a bit of a misunderstanding with that, I was using the sheath as an example of something that inherently the average person would realize is just ridiculous and use their common sense. Especially some of the people in this section of the forum that no the proper technique for fire manipulation. I think the best way to wrap all this up is if we all use our better judgement and common sense we can avoid the things that might hurt us.

On a seperate note, I'm rather interested in the molten metal stunt that your speaking of. Any chance of discussing that in a pm? If so shoot me one and I'll discuss what I've been working on further.
Message: Posted by: Destiny (Mar 30, 2007 09:43AM)
An absestos sheath is one of the least ridiculous explanations I've heard for fire-eating over the years from people who've been dead sure they 'knew' how it was done.

I've long given up trying to throw them off the scent - now I just tell the truth - I sold my soul to the devil.

Destiny
Message: Posted by: Kondini (Mar 30, 2007 10:20AM)
In the past {Less than 20 years ago) Things were different, knowledge of what harms you and being politicaly correct did not exist.
I have cut asbestos sheets without wearing a mask, indeed on ocassion returning home covered in the dust looking like a snowman.
I have performed dozens of suspended escapes with only the support of car seat belts picked up from the scrapyard and tied together.
Swallowed hemp and char covered brands from the asbestos tipped fire brands etc etc.

Things are different today,,,,better,,,,maybe, but if you like, our ignorance was bliss.

If we believe everything the so called experts tell us we would steer clear of meat, butter, salt, cigs, sex, booze, large cars,all the things which in life have given me so much pleasure.

I have outlined the method used by myself, Jonny Eagle,Blondini and several others who have made their living from this type of work,,the methods were passed on down the line from Master to pupil,,,sure we all take chances, we are in the biz for the buzz,,, so if you want to stay really safe, stay indoors and do card tricks in front of the mirror,,,,,come to think of it,,,,cards are covered in a deadly substance (Can`t remember what) So it`s only a matter of time before these will be banned as well !

Ken
Message: Posted by: Destiny (Mar 30, 2007 10:29AM)
You can never be too careful.

Water, which I always assumed to be safe, can apparently over-hydrate you.

I intend sticking to rum.
Message: Posted by: jeremysweiss (Mar 30, 2007 12:34PM)
Jerseyrebel13:
No, I didn't misunderstand. I agree with you and was tagging on. As far as Kondini's method, I cannot comment. I don't know what is in that stuff, and honestly, I missed his post. So I hereby modify my previous statment that "So far, NOTHING listed above (like the asbestos sheath) is practical". His method may be practical, safe and is probably way less expensive than mine. The method I know was shared to me by Slim. So, I withdraw that statement. But I urge people to leave antimony, cadmium and other heavy metals alone.

I am curious about the "13". Were there 12 JerseyRebels before you?
1) Died by asbestos
2) Died by failed escape using only the support of car seat belts picked up from the scrapyard and tied together
3) Died by swallowing hemp covered fire brand
4) Died by char covered brand
5) Died by asbestos tipped fire brands
6) Died by too much meat
7) Died by too much butter
8) Died by too much salt
9) Died by too much cigs
10)Died by too much sex (I'd love to be him)
11) Died by booze
12) Died after being hit be a large cars
12a.) (Little brother, cut down in his prime before officially becoming Jerseyrebel12) Died touching cards
12b.) (Another little brother)...of course death by overhydration
Message: Posted by: Danny Borneo (Mar 30, 2007 12:41PM)
That seriously has had me cracking up for like 10 minutes now. Thanks for the history which I shall now claim as my own legend. Actually it's much more boring than that. I come from a second generation Italian family and the number 13 is actually considered to be lucky, you may see that many Italians or people of Italian descent will sometimes where charms with the number on them. My grandfather wore one on his watch, as did my father. I opted to just get it tattooed on me, go figure. And to touch on the safety matter, some famous guy once said, "It's not a matter of whether you will get or hurt or not, but a question of when and how badly".....I think it might have been Jesus or Groucho Marx. Anyway all we can do is minimize the statistics at this point.
Message: Posted by: Tony Webs (Mar 30, 2007 01:05PM)
Ken
I feel Exactly the same way about it , in fact I do quite a lot of performances for these said experts and two other things that's on their list of things to avoid are intuition and risk.
from Tony
Message: Posted by: Destiny (Mar 30, 2007 01:09PM)
Soon we will be legislated into completely safe lives of utter boredom.

Destiny
Message: Posted by: Kondini (Mar 30, 2007 02:25PM)
Mind you, if I knew then what I know now things would proberly be different.
Yes, I am working on the method of death by sex,,, I hope it takes me a few more years of research !!!!!

So 13 is lucky eh!

You wouldn`t say that if you had 13 kids!

Ken
Message: Posted by: jeremysweiss (Mar 30, 2007 03:02PM)
I had heard of a performer back east who was strapped into a straight jacket, and suspended upside down by a rope that was set aflame that held him over a vat of beautiful, naked, 18 year old women covered in oil.....he never did make it out alive.





Died of a hard attack...
Message: Posted by: Destiny (Mar 30, 2007 04:40PM)
I hope he at least made it into the vat first.

Otherwise it was probably just a stroke.
Message: Posted by: Tony Webs (Mar 31, 2007 06:48PM)
Yes two old dears had a stroke whilst watching, but the third old dear couldn't reach.
Message: Posted by: Kondini (Apr 1, 2007 08:17AM)
That`s my kind of humour,,,,,,,downright disgusting!
Message: Posted by: Tony Webs (Apr 1, 2007 01:17PM)
Sounds like a good name for a show in one of the working mans clubs I use to perform in.