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Topic: Dover's Magic Books
Message: Posted by: airship (Apr 9, 2007 10:50AM)
If you're a beginning magician on a tight budget, read on:

Dover Books publishes a library of 52 magic books, most of them targeted to beginning magicians. This includes the full collection of Karl Fulves' excellent 'Self-Working Magic' books, as well as many classic works like Bobo's 'Modern Coin Magic' and Erdnase's 'Expert Card Technique'. The Dover web site even includes the Tables of Contents for almost all of their magic books, so you know just what you're getting before you buy.

These are all quality printed and bound books, but best of all they are all under $20, with an average price of $13 to $15. I have about half of these books in my library so far, and I'm sure I'll end up with almost all of them eventually.

http://store.doverpublications.com/by-subject-magic--legerdemain.html

(I'm not associated with Dover Books in any way. I'm just a huge fan.)
Message: Posted by: mark1991 (Apr 9, 2007 12:12PM)
Hi there,

I have quite a few of the Dover books too -

Expert at the Card Table
Jean Hugard's Card Manipulations
Magic and Showmanship

and a few more. I would have to say they are, by far, the best magic books for the price you pay - especially when you are just starting out.

Hope this helps!

Many thanks

Magical Mark Watson
(mark1991)
Message: Posted by: kris attard (Apr 9, 2007 01:25PM)
Airship, your post gave me a nostalgic smile :) I have been in magic for 30 years, and Dover books formed the backbone of my learning library. One of my favourites was the Cyclopedia of Magic by Henry Hay, which I still have, an excellent encyclopedic reference work I recommend to any beginner, especially as it also gives you a glimpse into the old, grand days of magic. Yes I recommend Dover books any day.
Message: Posted by: kris attard (Apr 9, 2007 01:25PM)
Airship, your post gave me a nostalgic smile :) I have been in magic for 30 years, and Dover books formed the backbone of my learning library. One of my favourites was the Cyclopedia of Magic by Henry Hay, which I still have, an excellent encyclopedic reference work I recommend to any beginner, especially as it also gives you a glimpse into the old, grand days of magic.
Message: Posted by: Mark Wilden (Apr 9, 2007 03:25PM)
I also love the Dover books (including the chess titles).

However, I've recently been going through the process of replacing mine with the hardcover versions. Many of them are readily available for not too much money.

///ark
Message: Posted by: kris attard (Apr 9, 2007 09:15PM)
From Dover?
Message: Posted by: Mark Wilden (Apr 9, 2007 10:06PM)
No, the original editions. Last week, I picked up [i]Encyclopedia of Card Tricks[/i] by Jean Hugard, published by Max Holden, 2nd ed., 1940, for five bucks at a magic flea market. It's not in very good shape, but that actually appeals to me.

I've also got [i]Expert Card Technique[/i] and the [i]Card Manipulations[/i] booklets. I just think it's cool to hold a book that another (or maybe many other) magicians have learned from.

That said, I'm going to keep my Dover [i]Royal Road to Card Magic[/i]. It and I have been through too much together to part.

///ark
Message: Posted by: kris attard (Apr 10, 2007 01:06AM)
That sounds like a real bargain you made.

Over a decade ago I managed to get my hands on a few old books from a local elderly magician who has since passed away. He came from the old era of magic, when people actually paid to watch a three hour stage show of grand illusion, elaborate presentations andthe like. The prize among these books I got is Will Goldston's Exclusive Magic Secrets, which Dover publishes of course but this was one of the original numbered locked books. I know what you mean, Mark, its thrilling just to leafd through the pages, and even the notation in pencil by the magician as he worked on a trick adds to the experience. Sheer magic.
Message: Posted by: DStachowiak (Apr 10, 2007 06:53AM)
The Dover editions are a wonderful bargain, and I have quite a fewof the Dover magic books (by the way, look through their catalogue on line, they publish a lot of other interesting books!)
Just keep in mind that many of the Dover books are reprints of original editions that were allowed to fall into the public domain, when updated editions of these books were published. The Dover "Bobo", for instance, is the 1952 edition, "Modern Coin Magic", and does not have the revised chapters that appeared in the 1964 revision "The New Modern Coin Magic" (It is still a great bargain, but if you get the Hardcover revision you do get a lot more material)
Message: Posted by: abc (Apr 10, 2007 09:16AM)
Yeah, It is kind of scary to think that new guys nowadays are paying 30 or 40 dollars for a DVD with maybe 5 or 6 tricks on them where you can get a book with hundreds of effects for a few dollars. I posted elsewhere about a recent deal I got online. I checked amazon because I wanted to buy some of the Karl Fulves books and a friend of mine told me about a website here in Taiwan that is run by the same company that runs 7 eleven. The price on the site is the same as amazon (between 6 to 8 dollars) depending on the book. They had a discount of 20 to 25% if you bought more than 10 books which I did. Got them at about 5 bucks a book. 8 books equals 1 DVD. 1 book has about 75 effects. 6 effects on DVD versus 600 in the 8 books. Why on earth would you want to buy the DVD? Royal road to Card Magic is 10 bucks.????!!!!
Message: Posted by: Mark Wilden (Apr 10, 2007 10:39AM)
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On 2007-04-10 10:16, abc wrote:Why on earth would you want to buy the DVD? Royal road to Card Magic is 10 bucks.????!!!!
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Because seeing an expert perform magic is better than reading about it. Having an expert seeing you perform magic is best of all, of course.

As someone said in a different context, reading about magic is like dancing about architecture.

///ark
Message: Posted by: airship (Apr 10, 2007 10:55AM)
Re: that note back up there a couple of posts...

I just want say that I also decided to shell out considerably more money for Magic, Inc.'s updated "NEW Modern Coin Magic", rather than buy the less expensive Dover edition. But 85% of what's in the new edition is in the old, which makes it a real bargain for the price. If you can afford it, though, definitely go for the newer edition.

And I hasten to point out that while Dover does print many old public domain works, they are the original and only publisher of Martin Gardner's books, as well as Karl Fulve's "Self-Working Magic" series and other works.
Message: Posted by: Brad Burt (Apr 11, 2007 05:08PM)
Dover editions really ARE great. Essentially they amount to hardbound books without the hard cover, thus they hold up well with much use.

The Bobo's edition is a mixed blessing in that it is NOT the Expanded edition that you can still only get from Magic, Inc. in Chicago or dealers that sell same. Much of the neatest material is missing. On the other hand it is much less expensive and has much to recommend it, even without the addional material.

Expert Card Technique by Hugard is a stand out product and well worth the investment.

All in all the Dover line is worth a look for anyone in magic. Best,
Message: Posted by: jmuscold (Aug 5, 2007 08:12PM)
I have Paul Curry, Magicians Magic and that book is great because it has "out of this world!"
Message: Posted by: sethb (Aug 6, 2007 07:16AM)
Another fine Dover reprint is "Hugard's Magic Manual," which was originally published in the late 1930's as the "Modern Magic Manual," written by Jean Hugard, the Australian vaudeville magician. It contains chapters about coins, cards, balls, silks, watches, cigarettes and more, and is an excellent value at $12.95.

It's available on Amazon or directly from Dover, click [url=http://www.amazon.com/Hugards-Magic-Manual-Cards-Coins/dp/0486418774/ref=sr_1_1/102-8660224-3339324?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1186402500&sr=1-1]HERE[/url] for more information. SETH
Message: Posted by: MagicalAdam (Aug 7, 2007 11:07AM)
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On 2007-04-09 14:25, kris attard wrote:
Airship, your post gave me a nostalgic smile :) I have been in magic for 30 years, and Dover books formed the backbone of my learning library.
[/quote]

Same thing with me. I wouldn't be where I am today if I didn't have those books.
Message: Posted by: Andy the cardician (Aug 8, 2007 06:49PM)
People often underestimate the contents, just because the books are old and affordable. BIG MISTAKE
Message: Posted by: Jay Austin (Aug 10, 2007 07:21AM)
Some of the best things out there are not new.