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Topic: Two as Three...
Message: Posted by: Elijahhenry (Jan 21, 2003 09:25PM)
Want to show two coins as three but don't want to use the Himber click pass. Any other suggestions?
Message: Posted by: David Neighbors (Jan 21, 2003 10:32PM)
Yea you can do a trap pass count, a pop up count, or there are 1 or 2 other click pass counts!

Best David Neighbors
The Coinjurer
Message: Posted by: BenSchwartz (Jan 21, 2003 11:34PM)
There is also a 2 for 3 count on the Troy Hooser book. I forget what it is called. Why not the himber clink pass?
Message: Posted by: Tony (Jan 22, 2003 10:57AM)
Ben,

Jay Sankey calls it the "Two-for-Three" count. I believe Troy also credits Jay for this move.

:)
Message: Posted by: Leigh (Jan 23, 2003 06:46PM)
The Hooser count is called "Count-er Point" in his book "DesTROYers" and is easier to do that it reads in the book. I just wish it had been included in his DVD as I'd like to see it performed.
Message: Posted by: joef90 (Jul 14, 2004 08:25AM)
In Doug Brewer's unexpected visitor DVD you can see a great 2 for 3 count.I think he credits it to Sankey?
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Jul 14, 2004 08:37AM)
One of the FEW properly motivated uses of the retention pass.
Message: Posted by: IanKendall (Jul 14, 2004 08:42AM)
There is a handling for the Sankey click pass on Basic Coin Magic. If you follow the link below you can see it in the trailer. (I'm not supposed to post links here...)

Take care, Ian
Message: Posted by: Justin Hart (Jul 14, 2004 10:18AM)
It's not a click pass....it's called the Himber/Sankey Count. It's really a false count and not a pass at all.
Message: Posted by: IanKendall (Jul 14, 2004 10:27AM)
I know, but the first part of the move is the Rosenthal/Himber click pass, so the name does fit (in a way...)

Take care, Ian

You might like to read this for a clarification of my point:

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=67982&forum=111
Message: Posted by: Curtis Kam (Jul 14, 2004 04:05PM)
Before the use of the Himber click pass as a false count was all the rage, folks relied on the Han Ping Chien move (see, i.e. Paul Harris' "Freeflight") or variations on the Tenkai pennies move (See Roger Klause's "New Wave Coins Across") or Geoff Latta's "Ultimate HPC" (See "Coinmagic") or the Gallo Pitch (See Ammar's "Encore III")

A little later, Michael Ammar published a false count for 3 as 4, and much later, Richard Saunders released his "tap" display (I don't know the name of it, or if it really has a name. See "100% Sankey"?)

The Sankey/Saunders duo has also developed a variation on the Tenkai move called "The Pointing Transfer" that would also serve well here.

Of course, there's always the classic method, i.e. keep the coins mostly together and slightly in motion, and simply convince the audience that thee are three coins there through "the power of the gaze". Read: act and believe that there are three coins there, and don't make an issue out of something that isn't true.

Remember, the Force has power over weak minds...
Message: Posted by: Mike Wild (Jul 14, 2004 04:41PM)
A lot of thought and effort here going into making a "move" out of something that, in most cases, is not supposed to draw a lot of attention. I'd consider how much focus this count is meant to have.

btw, what is wrong with Himber/Sankey count?

Good points Curtis.

best,

Mike
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Jul 14, 2004 04:45PM)
Nothing 'wrong' per se. Some of us don't get fancy with our handling or even walk the coins in public. Hence the simplified count thing using a real placement, a retention pass, then a final real placement to get the job done.
Message: Posted by: TheAmbitiousCard (Jul 14, 2004 05:49PM)
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On 2004-07-14 09:25, joef90 wrote:
In Doug Brewer's unexpected visitor DVD you can see a great 2 for 3 count.I think he credits it to Sankey?
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Yes indeed. Easier than the Himber-count too.
Brewers makes extensive use of both counts and that book is great.

Anyone seen the DVD yet?
Message: Posted by: Dan Watkins (Jul 14, 2004 10:15PM)
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On 2004-07-14 18:49, Frank Starsini wrote:
Anyone seen the DVD yet?
[/quote]

I wrote up a review of it, I will probably post it at coinvanish tomorrow.
Message: Posted by: Larry Barnowsky (Jul 15, 2004 09:50AM)
I agree with Jon about using the retention vanish as a false count and I use that often. However, in one of my routines where coins are tossed from one hand to the other, I use a count which I developed which I use as a 2 as 3 or 3 as 4 count. It involves a tossing motion from the right hand to the left and the audience can see and hear the correct number of coins landing in the left hand.
Message: Posted by: Justin Hart (Jul 15, 2004 10:32AM)
I believe the Michael Ammar false count that Curtis mentioned is also published in Richard's Collected Almanac for those of you that have it or need an excuse to get it. ;)
Message: Posted by: mystre71 (Jul 15, 2004 05:45PM)
Btw, what is wrong with Himber/Sankey count?

I believe it's Himber Vanish but the click pass part of it belongs to Harvey Rosenthal.

There are a few places this is credited in this way, but at the moment I could only find it in Kenner's "Out of Control" page 26.

And I THINK at one time in a Sankey book he also gave credit to H.R. for the click pass.

I'm sure there are others, but don't know right off hand.
Perhaps another Café memeber could chime in here?

Best
Joe
Message: Posted by: Curtis Kam (Jul 15, 2004 07:10PM)
Ironically, the credit to H.R. might appear in "100% Sankey". Apparently, the move is at least some % someone else's.
Message: Posted by: TheAmbitiousCard (Jul 15, 2004 07:13PM)
David Williamson also has it described in his book and names Sankey as "also" coming up with its use as a false count.
Message: Posted by: IanKendall (Jul 16, 2004 07:30AM)
I found a reference to the Rosenthal Click pass in Apocalypse somewhere, but I cannot remember where, exactly. It's in an Afterthoughts (perhaps) or mentioned in a trick description using the move.

The first time I saw it, though, was on Sankeytised II when Jay explained 'Mexican Jumping Coins', which uses the move.

As mentioned above, it is also in Williamson's Wonders, in a trick called (I think) When you're behind you're ahead (or similar).

Take care, Ian
Message: Posted by: TheAmbitiousCard (Jul 16, 2004 05:44PM)
Yes, that's right.

Isn't Sankeytized II awesome?

No jacket required
Mexican Jumping Coins
Paperclipped
Tenkai Pennies


Some great workers on that video.

One of the best.