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Topic: Magick Balay Injured Doing "Smash & Stab"
Message: Posted by: ThorstenHappel (May 1, 2007 02:08PM)
I am sorry to report that my good friend and amazing magician Magick Balay has injured his left hand while demonstrating "Smash & Stab" at Fantasma Magic yesterday.

I have seen him doing this many times, sometimes even blindfolded, and I always cringed knowing how dangerous this stunt is. He always blew his audiences away (as with literally [b]everything[/b] he does), and it always went well.

Magick went to the hospital and is doing okay. The spike did not go all the way through and he will be fine.


Just saw that Magick has a blog comment on his MySpace site about his "mishap"

Here is the link: http://myspace.com/magickbalay

Yes, that's Magick, always in a good mood and taking things with a lot of humor.
Message: Posted by: Lyndel (May 1, 2007 03:43PM)
I have seen numerous online videos of people screwing this trick up! That's enough for me to stay away from that particular effect!

Things can go wrong with just about any trick, but if something goes wrong with this one, it can put you out of commission for a while!

Best wishes to your friend for a speedy recovery!


Lyndel
Message: Posted by: Eddie Garland (May 1, 2007 05:23PM)
Ouch!
Hey Thorsten,
Tell Magick that the FAO Bubble Clown on skates from 100 years ago sends his deepest regards.
He'll understand.
Message: Posted by: Mercury52 (May 6, 2007 11:38PM)
I'm in Fantasma a good 4-6 days a week, and came into the shop about 30 seconds after Magick's mishap. I have to say I'm glad I didn't get there sooner. He was in good humor the whole time. I last saw him on Friday evening, the 4th, and he was doing just fine. A little swollen, but he hasn't lost any ability in his hand.

This is why I stick to using sponge balls...

Kevin
Message: Posted by: RC4MAG (May 8, 2007 08:44PM)
Any one know the details to the rumor that Simon Lovell now had spiked himself doing Smashed & Stabbed last Saturday night?
Message: Posted by: Eddie Garland (May 8, 2007 11:21PM)
Geeesh...in the 70's when hook coins were popular you could tell a magician by the scars on the BACK of their hands. :)
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (May 9, 2007 03:44PM)
I have to admit I find it hard to feel bad for people this happens to.

I am glad to see it was not being done with a SPECTATORS hand!
Message: Posted by: AaronTheMagician (May 9, 2007 11:15PM)
I've seen performers have the spectators sit on the cups before.
THAT's a mishap that I'd REALLY hate to see happen.
Message: Posted by: Justin Style (May 10, 2007 08:36AM)
Magick is a good guy. Sorry to hear about the mishap!

I hope you didn't hit any nerves in the hand and that you recover soon and quickly.
Message: Posted by: Addy (May 10, 2007 10:16AM)
I was in Fantasma yesterday evening. Sure enough Simon's left hand was bandaged. We got to talking about his injury and he showed me the hole in his hand. He strongly advised against Smash and Stab. Apparently it's no longer for sale at Fantasma.
Message: Posted by: Scott O. (May 11, 2007 11:14AM)
Criss Angel did a version of this on Oprah just this week -- Monday, I think. Oprah wouldn't even help. She didn't want to feel responsible if something went wrong. And Criss was using a nicely sharpened knife. It had an interesting reaction from the audience. But Oprah couldn't even watch after he smashed the first cup.
Message: Posted by: Justin Style (May 11, 2007 03:47PM)
[quote]
On 2007-05-10 11:16, Addy wrote:
I was in Fantasma yesterday evening. Sure enough Simon's left hand was bandaged. We got to talking about his injury and he showed me the hole in his hand. He strongly advised against Smash and Stab. Apparently it's no longer for sale at Fantasma.
[/quote]


Are you saying Simon spiked HIS hand too???

OMG...
Message: Posted by: Review King (May 11, 2007 07:32PM)
For "Spike" Larry Becker has some thoughts:
_________________________
I like both the compactness of the apparatus and the simplicity and dependability of the method. It works like a charm and with a modicum of care and caution by the performer, ending up with a spike through the hand should not occur. But a word of caution, like any other dangerous stunt (remember me, I'm the guy with the three pistols) you must not be careless or suffer from brain cramps. The method is excellent but that does not mean accidents can't happen if you allow your mind to wander when it should be focused on the performance. If you're a professional, SPIKE is definitely recommended."
- Larry Becker
Message: Posted by: Mercury52 (May 11, 2007 10:16PM)
Yup, Simon's mishap ocurred a mere 5 days after Magick's. Not a good week for NY magicians who perform the effect...
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (May 11, 2007 10:53PM)
ON the bright side, when it does go wrong, you can do all kinds of new and innovative coin tricks.
Message: Posted by: Destiny (May 12, 2007 03:20AM)
That Danny - his glass is always half full!

Destiny
Message: Posted by: just_larry (May 12, 2007 04:50PM)
I hate to hear when this happens. I hope they will be Ok
Larry
Ps. does anyone know the name of the one built into a lazy susan?
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (May 12, 2007 05:53PM)
I can't believe that people are still performing this. The effect itself sucks, IMO . . . "Look, I didn't get HURT!?!?" What kind of person does something like this? How seemingly idiotic it must appear to a lay person, that a magician would even attempt this, regardless of the outcome. Who in their right mind would even take the chance? I don't care if it's a magician or a mentalist performing it, I feel it is a bad effect. If I had a routine with three forks and a light socket, it would be just about as absurd.

If I saw a performer doing this with an audience member, I would leave the show. Even if nothing happened, I would leave, because it says something about a performer who is willing to do that with a respected member of their audience.

I feel bad for the guys who get skewered, but this seems to happen often.

-J.
Message: Posted by: tuffnavyrn (May 13, 2007 12:21AM)
That sucks. I own Spike and I'm nervous everytime I do that thing.
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (May 13, 2007 12:44AM)
I think that "Smash and Stab" is one of the most hyped effects in existence. Who told you guys that this was a good effect? It seems like many jumped on the bandwagon without thinking about it first.

It seems that someone, disgruntled by the "one in three odds" scenario that most spectators naturally flee to, decided to up the ante by introducing an element of fear and danger (and certainly did, outside of the gun roulette). IMO, that is bad magic. If we have to include the possible element of getting hurt so that people will watch our performance, I feel sad for magic.

It's just my opinion, and I'm not trying to harp on anyone doing this effect, but Gee Whiz :)

-J.
Message: Posted by: Brian Turntime (May 28, 2007 05:03PM)
[quote] 2007-05-12 18:53, TT2 wrote:
I can't believe that people are still performing this. The effect itself sucks, IMO . . . "Look, I didn't get HURT!?!?" What kind of person does something like this? How seemingly idiotic it must appear to a lay person, that a magician would even attempt this, regardless of the outcome. Who in their right mind would even take the chance? I don't care if it's a magician or a mentalist performing it, I feel it is a bad effect. If I had a routine with three forks and a light socket, it would be just about as absurd.[/quote]

How would you have reacted to Houdini in a water barrel, I wonder? Or when he was handcuffed in a chest and thrown in the river?

An element of danger exists in many top performer's performance arsenals. Richard Osterlind's Acid Test comes to mind.

If there's a difference between this and those other danger tests, I fail to see it.
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (May 28, 2007 05:28PM)
Wow, pandemic.

Guess real mentalists have the cut hands to prove it.

Are we going to support this in the same way folks used to prove themselves by winding up with dueling scars?
Message: Posted by: Banester (May 29, 2007 08:22AM)
I used to feel sorry for the performer when he pierced his hand on the spike, but as many people who have been injured I think you are crazy to try it. Sure fool proof, then why are so many people getting hurt? I can't even imagine injuring the audience members like we have seen as well. I saw a version that used an egg instead of a spike, so much better and had some laughs when it didn't work out like it should have.
Message: Posted by: ianfarnish (May 29, 2007 08:53AM)
Hi all. have a look at the safer version bish bash bosh by the makers of smash and stab. it uses a egg and a mallet

Have fun
Ian
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (May 29, 2007 09:17AM)
[quote]
On 2007-05-28 18:03, Brian Turntime wrote:
[quote] 2007-05-12 18:53, TT2 wrote:
I can't believe that people are still performing this. The effect itself sucks, IMO . . . "Look, I didn't get HURT!?!?" What kind of person does something like this? How seemingly idiotic it must appear to a lay person, that a magician would even attempt this, regardless of the outcome. Who in their right mind would even take the chance? I don't care if it's a magician or a mentalist performing it, I feel it is a bad effect. If I had a routine with three forks and a light socket, it would be just about as absurd.[/quote]

How would you have reacted to Houdini in a water barrel, I wonder? Or when he was handcuffed in a chest and thrown in the river?

An element of danger exists in many top performer's performance arsenals. Richard Osterlind's Acid Test comes to mind.

If there's a difference between this and those other danger tests, I fail to see it.
[/quote]

So you think Houdini was in danger? Really? You read too many newspaper accounts.

Do you think he was IN THAT CHEST? Hmmmm.

See the problem we have is too many people do not realise the difference in "aparant danger" and REAL DANGER.
Message: Posted by: evanthx (May 29, 2007 09:53AM)
I like the egg concept a LOT - that is pretty funny! THAT's a trick I'd like to see. I have to put myself in the camp of folks that just aren't interested in danger and pain as entertainment. Eggs, though, THAT is a trick I'd have fun seeing!
Message: Posted by: landmark (May 29, 2007 09:53PM)
Is it true that David Roth pierced his hand with an invisible sky hook, then healed it with a well-concealed switch?


Jack Shalom
Message: Posted by: ChristopherM (May 30, 2007 07:12AM)
The absolute worst performance I've seen involving this premise for an effect was where a very young inexperienced magician invited an audience member to plunge his hand onto any one of three bags. Once he'd done that, the performer lifted one of the remaining two to show an upturned knife. The most disgraceful thing I've seen in a long time.
Message: Posted by: zimsalabim (May 30, 2007 05:29PM)
Ok I am very sorry somone got hurt doing this. I have been doing this effect for quite some time and to be honest not entirle sure how one can miss with this particular version. I mean blindfolded yeah you could miss but othewise I am at a loss. I have never been in a situation where it didn't work or unsure of whether I had it or not. NEVER would I use a spectators hand that's just nuts. As far as whether its a good effect or not well my audiences have always loved it. But if I were ever unsure of myself or where that little suprise is I would stop dead in my tracks. Ok flame me.
Message: Posted by: Andy the cardician (Jun 3, 2007 11:18PM)
[quote]
On 2007-05-11 23:16, Mercury52 wrote:
Yup, Simon's mishap ocurred a mere 5 days after Magick's. Not a good week for NY magicians who perform the effect...
[/quote]

I am afraid, we might see more to come.

If you start to think that someone hurt himself doing the trick, whilst performing it yourself, chances are good that you end up hurting yourself as well . . .
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Jun 4, 2007 05:28AM)
What's the ratio of performer to volunteer blood spilled so far?
Message: Posted by: Andi Peters (Jun 4, 2007 04:05PM)
I know a performer in the uk called Owen Lean who did this trick with his forehead and got it wrong. One trip to the hosptal and I don't think he'll be doing that again!
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (Jun 4, 2007 09:14PM)
LMAO! Now that's "using your head"!

-J.
Message: Posted by: acesover (Jun 4, 2007 10:49PM)
[quote]
On 2007-05-30 18:29, zimsalabim wrote:
Ok I am very sorry somone got hurt doing this. I have been doing this effect for quite some time and to eb honest not entirle sure how one can miss with this particular version. I mean blindfolded yeah you could miss but othewise I am at a loss. I have never been in a situation where it didn't work or unsure of whether I had it or not. NEVER would I use a spectators hand that's just nuts. As far as whether its a good effect or not well my audiences have always loved it. But if I were ever unsure of myself or where that little suprise is I would stop dead in my tracks. Ok flame me.

[/quote]

Not flaming you but I am sure all the others that performed this had the same thoughts as you, It cannot go wrong?
Message: Posted by: acesover (Jun 4, 2007 10:53PM)
Those who compare escapes of the greats with this are way out of line. Escapes are totally different then a watch me hurt myself, ha, ha fooled you I am OK.
Message: Posted by: Andi Peters (Jun 5, 2007 01:02PM)
[quote]
On 2007-06-04 22:14, TT2 wrote:
LMAO! Now that's "using your head"!

-J.
[/quote]

I guess he doesn't need to buy 'hole in the head' now!
Message: Posted by: Magic Mike Japan (Jun 6, 2007 07:24AM)
I was in Fantasma Magic Shop in NYC last summer and saw Magick perform this amazing trick, never thinking that a guy that clever would hurt himself doing it some day. Just comes to show you that Murphy's Law is alive and well. If you're reading this, Magick, hope you're feeling better and I'll see you in early July when I visit NYC for my summer magic adventure.
Message: Posted by: ChristopherM (Jun 6, 2007 07:44AM)
[quote]
On 2007-06-05 14:02, Andi Peters wrote:
[quote]
On 2007-06-04 22:14, TT2 wrote:
LMAO! Now that's "using your head"!

-J.
[/quote]

I guess he doesn't need to buy 'hole in the head' now!
[/quote]

When Gary Kurtz (a 'pioneer' and 'stalwart' in this area) was putting together 'Leading With Your Head', I somehow don't think he had this in mind...
Message: Posted by: SeaDawg (Jun 6, 2007 08:01AM)
Folks, on another thread there was a discussion about the frequency of your performances versus busted tricks. Perform enough and we know the screw up fairy is gong to visit us.

As I have said before and will re-iterate, my coach refuses to even discuss me considering the routine. When one of the inevitable screw ups happen as they do to all of us who perform lots, the stakes are to high.

For those wishing to have a "danger" routine I cannot strees enough the impact of the Higleys "Traps a Mental" monte routine using abbot daring spring traps. Mess it up and you get a slightly uncomfortable pinch. Maimed is not an option.

I guess I read these threads to remind myself of why I need to keep listening to my coach...
Message: Posted by: zimsalabim (Jun 9, 2007 09:59AM)
[quote]
On 2007-06-04 23:49, acesover wrote:
[quote]
On 2007-05-30 18:29, zimsalabim wrote:
Ok I am very sorry somone got hurt doing this. I have been doing this effect for quite some time and to eb honest not entirle sure how one can miss with this particular version. I mean blindfolded yeah you could miss but othewise I am at a loss. I have never been in a situation where it didn't work or unsure of whether I had it or not. NEVER would I use a spectators hand that's just nuts. As far as whether its a good effect or not well my audiences have always loved it. But if I were ever unsure of myself or where that little suprise is I would stop dead in my tracks. Ok flame me.

[/quote]

Not flaming you but I am sure all the others that performed this had the same thoughts as you, It cannot go wrong?
[/quote]
Ok if you know the method and I'm not going to tip it. You would have to get awful cocky and jsut not be paying attention AT ALL to what you are doing to miss. I have done this many many times again with strong audience reaction. Its good stuff but not for everyone. I have no idea how this guy hurt himself or what lead to it I am truly sorry fo rhis injury and am glad to hear hes doing well.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jun 9, 2007 01:42PM)
[quote]
On 2007-06-04 17:05, Andi Peters wrote:
I know a performer in the uk called Owen Lean who did this trick with his forehead and got it wrong. One trip to the hosptal and I don't think he'll be doing that again!
[/quote]

Gave him a whole new outlook! BAAAZZZZZZIIINNNNNNNNGGGGGGG!

That is 2 crude jokes in one thread, my record is 3.
Message: Posted by: Tim Ellis (Jun 18, 2007 12:41AM)
"12 have died!"

No, sorry, "539 have had nasty cuts!"
Message: Posted by: gaddy (Jun 18, 2007 02:23AM)
Has anyone here seen the version of this trick where the performer RUNS down a staircase full of cups and the one he does not step on has the spike? Now THAT is a great trick. The element of fear and danger is almost palpable!
Message: Posted by: RS1963 (Jun 18, 2007 10:03PM)
Maybe I am getting old but I just do not see how this effect can be worth the risk. seems because of Blain and C.A magic is turning more into here watch this stunt. Watch me sit is this clear box in 110 degree weather for two days I'm a magican and this is the best thing I can do! Watch me try to not impale My hand (or yours) on this spike. Watch me stick this needle into My eye watch me see what other stupid thing I can do.

Sorry for the above but it seems that quite a few of the younger magicians think that that is what magic is stunts, such as staying in a box over a river for days etc.. It's not never has been and never will be.

Yes I know there is a place for this type of magic and there are some members of the Café that do it very well. Todd Robbins is one but watch what he does it's not the crud some are pawning off as magic.
Message: Posted by: MagiClyde (Jun 19, 2007 02:20AM)
Just for the record, how many people have been hurt or died performing a particular stunt?

I know someone said that 12 have died doing the bullet catch.

How many have died doing the buried alive stunt? How many other illusions have gone horribly wrong?
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jun 20, 2007 12:14AM)
Well I didn't die but I did throw my back out doing a original card to wallet move.

WOW!
Message: Posted by: Justin Style (Jun 20, 2007 08:53AM)
Magik is a mad-man!

First he stabs himself and Now...

check out the Ad on the back wrap of Genii...

He is in the ad with someone holding a KNIFE to his chest. From the folks who brought you S&S...now you can do it with someone [b]PLUNGING A KNIFE INTO YOUR CHEST![/b]


If at first you don't succeed...


Love the Dude!
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (Jun 20, 2007 09:06PM)
Great! Sounds like a good idea :)

-J.
Message: Posted by: Dennis Michael (Jun 21, 2007 10:46AM)
We had this discussion at one of our magic clubs. Supposily there are several videos on You-Tube on this, one of which the magician used the volunteers hand and spiked it. Imagine all those who are embarassed to tell anyone of their mishap!

Now there is one on the market that uses bottles and is absolutly safe but it has the same audience effect without any real danger!
Message: Posted by: dbuckalew (Jun 24, 2007 12:32PM)
More miscues

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGt1mmY94NI
Message: Posted by: ibm_usa (Jun 25, 2007 06:59PM)
[quote]
On 2007-05-09 00:21, Eddie Garland wrote:
Geeesh...in the 70's when hook coins were popular you could tell a magician by the scars on the BACK of their hands. :)
[/quote]
something tells me that one that was painful, two you couldn't do it again, thirdly it isn't around anymore.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Nov 18, 2007 02:20AM)
Angela did a version Im sure you saw. I am sure there was a safety net with this version. I mean, can't there be a modification to make this completely safe?
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Nov 18, 2007 06:26AM)
Can Smash and Stab be modified (for those who own it) to be used with something besides a real nail (fake spike, knife etc)?
Message: Posted by: Andi Peters (Nov 18, 2007 07:36AM)
[quote]
On 2007-11-18 07:26, Candini wrote:
Can Smash and Stab be modified (for those who own it) to be used with something besides a real nail (fake spike, knife etc)?
[/quote]
I have performed this trick replacing the nail with a live mouse. The advantage here is that the spec or magi is in no danger at all and yet an element of danger still remains.
Message: Posted by: Mobius303 (Nov 18, 2007 04:54PM)
From the versions I know about you have to lose all concentration to miss it.
They don't seem that unsafe to me.
Angela's version on Phenomon was one of the Safer versions.
The one with the Spike and styrofoam cups is not as safe for various reasons.
Mobius
Message: Posted by: Bill Fienning (Nov 18, 2007 08:43PM)
This effect makes the spectators squeamish; I would be surprised if most of the audience would like to see the trick done again. One problem that I have with it involves the manner of presentation. These are a couple of thoughts that might pass through the audience's mind.

1) This is some sort of electrical or mechanical trick, not a demonstration of special mental abilities.

2) It was just dumb luck that the magician smashed the right cups. (I have seen it presented in such a way that this seemed to be the explanation for the trick.)

None of the methods are 100% reliable. I know someone who is extremely cautious and careful, but the mechanism failed. I think there are better tricks that are more impressive to the audience.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Nov 18, 2007 11:43PM)
Great thoughts here.....I also asked about replacing the spike but I was told it could not be replaced.

Wow, a mouse interesting. When I have done it (homemade versions) I do not see how one could loose concentration. Making a mistake I can see but just loosing thought I cannot.

I would be interested in the one Angela's version but I assume it is a special made version.
Message: Posted by: jimhlou (Jan 3, 2008 05:47PM)
If you're stupid enough to do this routine, use the "beer bottle" version. I'm not sure who makes it, but it's 100% safe. The broken beer bottle is replaced (switched) with a harmless one.

Jim
Message: Posted by: Mercury52 (Jun 27, 2009 04:35PM)
A week ago, Magick decided to perform the effect one more time...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1whUHSMm5M
Message: Posted by: Scott Alexander (Jun 28, 2009 01:14PM)
Shattered is the safest. I wouldn't trust any other method.

http://nnmagic.com/magicitems/stagemagicpage_mz.htm
Message: Posted by: Andi Peters (Sep 12, 2009 02:18AM)
[quote]
On 2007-11-18 08:36, Andi Peters wrote:
[quote]
On 2007-11-18 07:26, Candini wrote:
Can Smash and Stab be modified (for those who own it) to be used with something besides a real nail (fake spike, knife etc)?
[/quote]
I have performed this trick replacing the nail with a live mouse. The advantage here is that the spec or magi is in no danger at all and yet an element of danger still remains.
[/quote]
A trick I have been doing for two years (and mentioned here on the Café for all to see) appeared on the Derren Brown show tonight in the UK. Coincidence? Maybe. Be careful what you tip here on the Café. I know Derren and his team are regular visitors here. It's meant to be magicans helping magicians, not magicans borrowing from magicians!
Message: Posted by: Owen Lean (Nov 4, 2009 07:22AM)
[quote]
On 2007-06-04 17:05, Andi Peters wrote:
I know a performer in the uk called Owen Lean who did this trick with his forehead and got it wrong. One trip to the hosptal and I don't think he'll be doing that again!
[/quote]

Lies! Supposition! Rumours! Heresey!!!

...ok.. its true. And I was suprised to find so few jokes about it in this post :)

Yes, I have got this trick wrong with my head. I was very lucky when it went wrong the first time I've added mroe safety checks, but yep, its still dangerous.

I have said this on manyoccasions and wil say it again - Smash And Stab is a truly brilliant trick - I fully reccomend it and it has earned the vast majority of my income for the past three years. However, EVERY trick - no EVERY TRICK is one day going to go wrong if you perform it enough times, I've performed smash and stab thousands and thousands of times and as a result I think I now have one of the best and safest versions ever (he said modestly) - however, there will always be that danger that you'll get forgetful or locked into a routine or just SOMETHING untoward will happen and you'll get something wrong. This means you may end up hurting yourself - I, am cool with that, and quite happy to get hurt again - if you are not prepared to end up with a cut hand, then obviously this isn't the trick for you. If you are ok with a little bit of possible pain in your life (and the chances are still ridciulously low, but its still always there) then trust me when I say the smiles, laughter, hapyness and memories you will create from this trick are completely worht it. Many many magicians have done this trick WITHOUT ever getting it wrong I'll hasten to add - TV magician Keith Barry has had this as a regular part of his act for YEARS now and never got it wrong.

Obviously, speaking as someone who did it and got it wrong, doing it with your head is completely insane, absurdly dangerous and you would have to be stupid to try it.

...i still do this trick with my head.

Owen
Message: Posted by: Magnus Eisengrim (Nov 4, 2009 01:31PM)
[quote]
On 2009-11-04 08:22, Owen Lean wrote:
[

...i still do this trick with my head.

Owen
[/quote]

Just the outside part, apparently ;)

John
Message: Posted by: Rizzo (Nov 4, 2009 02:15PM)
John, very good lol
Message: Posted by: Owen Lean (Nov 4, 2009 04:24PM)
[quote]

Just the outside part, apparently ;)

John
[/quote]

Ha ha, you win the prize for the best joke yet John

Owen
Message: Posted by: magicusb (Nov 5, 2009 11:06AM)
I do a version of this in our show "Haunted! Mind Mysteries & THE Beyond!" that has been running for 5 years now. It is totally safe and uses two sharp real knives. The plot still has three paper tubes and is slightly different to fit our story line, Do not want to tip it here, but those who have seen the show might know what I mean. It starts the show to great excitement and a gasp. It is completely safe. You could be drunk, forget the routine, smash any of the two wrong paper tubes and not get hurt. Maybe I will market it someday.

I do not suggest doing this effect in any way, that if you smash the wrong tube or cup, you will be hurt. Trust me, someday, for what ever reason, you will be.

Regards,

Dick Brooks & Dorothy Dietrich
Message: Posted by: trickychaz (Dec 1, 2009 05:40PM)
[quote]
On 2007-05-13 01:44, TT2 wrote:
I think that "Smash and Stab" is one of the most hyped effects in existence. Who told you guys that this was a good effect? It seems like many jumped on the bandwagon without thinking about it first.

It seems that someone, disgruntled by the "one in three odds" scenario that most spectators naturally flee to, decided to up the ante by introducing an element of fear and danger (and certainly did, outside of the gun roulette). IMO, that is bad magic. If we have to include the possible element of getting hurt so that people will watch our performance, I feel sad for magic.

It's just my opinion, and I'm not trying to harp on anyone doing this effect, but Gee Whiz :)

-J.
[/quote]
I think you are being a little harsh. There are many entertaining elements in my show; silk to egg, giant b-wave, prof. nightmare etc. I am doing a college show and they like danger! Take a look at tv shows such as !@#$%^& and Wild Boys....I think it depends on what type of audience you are performing it for and how it is presented... I personally like the element of danger in the trick and every show must take your audience on a wild roller coaster ride.....
Message: Posted by: Mr. Muggle (Dec 2, 2009 05:10AM)
Based on the amount of people who have been caught with this effect after practicing and doing it on a regular basis I would never use it. I have great respect for Scott Alexander’s line of thinking which basically equates to the use of a simple method that limits the possibility of injury and at the same time leaves the impression of great danger.
Message: Posted by: Steve_Mollett (Dec 2, 2009 08:56AM)
Agreed.
The late, great Lester Lake once told me:
"Die for your audience every night, but get up fresh the next morning."
Message: Posted by: Craig Dickson (Feb 3, 2010 08:25AM)
Well I have been using SPIKE, same effect, far less risk, and coupled with Sixth Sense, just about 100 percent. I helped launch this for World Magic at Blackpool a few years ago, while Smash and Stab was really hot. I liked it because it was far less risk, almost none if you followed a few basic rules, and double checks. Which I taught all who purchased it. I too have watched five friends come away bleeding with all the other versions. Why? If there is a chance it can really happen, it will. Never put yourself in that position. I watched one friend fumble, something went wrong, which was obvious, so he took a guess and did it anyway. Why? This is not the time to ad-lib, except to get out of it. You guessed it, he was wronmg, and then he needed medical attention. Folks, its supposed to look real, but not actually be real. Like the idiot who attempted a straight jacket eascape, hoisted up, rope set on fire, and your guess it, dropped on his head, and now is in a wheel chair. He had no clue how it was really done, so just copied what he saw. Once. OY.