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Topic: Arm through fishtank ?
Message: Posted by: donkeys and waffles (May 13, 2007 02:27AM)
I have seen two performances on this and after my computer crashed, I lost it. I was going to see about finding where to get it. Basically they show the magician and he walks up to the fishtank after disappearing a signed card, tank is well lit and with fish inside and he reaches in THROUGH the tank and pulls a card out of the tank. Arm is wet and card is signed. Very strong looking stuff.

It has been a while since I have seen in but it was very good looking to me. I believe both performances were done by japanese magicians. Anyone seen this ? Can you direct me to the performance and or the site to purchase this effect ? Thanks
Message: Posted by: papawemba (May 13, 2007 04:32AM)
Hello !

Here is what your looking for : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egaKKSP-SRY
That trick is not for sale :) Check all other Cyril video....
For me, it is the best close-up magicien. He always left me completely stump.

Nicolas
Message: Posted by: paisa23 (May 13, 2007 05:16AM)
The Man is getting too good he must be stopped. LOL. I love Cyril, cant wait to see him in the states.
Message: Posted by: donkeys and waffles (May 13, 2007 02:52PM)
That is it, very very good. It kills me everytime I see it. thanks a lot for the clip.
Message: Posted by: Clownboy (May 13, 2007 04:03PM)
Hands down... This is one of the most baffling things I have ever seen!

Thanks for sharing!

Brad
Message: Posted by: LegendaryEgos (May 13, 2007 06:58PM)
I agree with everyone. Cyril is the best magician out there. There is another version you can find on youtube where he puts his hand the the bottom of a glass bottomed boat. Same thing as the fish tank, just thru the freakin bottome of a glass bottomed boat! Then there is the one with the salt shaker thru the glass table. If you haven't seen this, even if you have, you'll want to check it out. Just search for Cyril, salt shaker. This is another one of those impossible illusions that looks like real magic. In fact I think it may be real magic! It's that good.

Marc

PS. Criss Angel better step it up if he wants to be on the same level as Cyril. I like Angel's magic but I love Cyrils!
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (May 14, 2007 02:50PM)
I have a question, probably better served to be in Food for Thought, but I'll post it here. Criss Angel is criticized when he gaffs a park bench or a fence. How is this any different than what Cyril does when he puts a gaffed table or a gaffed aquarium into a public place?

Either chastize them both or chastize neither one. You can't have it both ways.
Message: Posted by: montemagic (May 14, 2007 03:46PM)
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On 2007-05-14 15:50, Bill Palmer wrote:
I have a question, probably better served to be in Food for Thought, but I'll post it here. Criss Angel is criticized when he gaffs a park bench or a fence. How is this any different than what Cyril does when he puts a gaffed table or a gaffed aquarium into a public place?

Either chastize them both or chastize neither one. You can't have it both ways.
[/quote]

AMEN
Message: Posted by: emyers99 (May 14, 2007 03:53PM)
I have a version of this. Tank is not gimmicked in any way. $500. Comes with band-aids and a big supply of paper towels.
Message: Posted by: tuffnavyrn (May 14, 2007 03:53PM)
Here, here Bill!!
Message: Posted by: niva (May 14, 2007 04:42PM)
But Cyril does them with more..... I don't know ;) And Cris Angel uses too many stooges :(

I prefer Cyril. He's just awesome
Message: Posted by: IlDaDe (May 14, 2007 04:56PM)
I think that Cyril is great.
Look at that trick.
Wow.
Message: Posted by: wise owl (May 14, 2007 07:21PM)
I think as long as they can make tricks looks like real magic, then it is a good tricks. Doesn't matter impromptu or gimmicked.

You know, my wife (layman)'s first impression is that the tank is actually a 360 deg TV. That seems too simple, but yet does explain everything. I sometimes amazed how direct layman would think
Message: Posted by: donkeys and waffles (May 14, 2007 09:41PM)
Owl, that is a wild thought. I never thought of that. It would explain most of it but the fish swimming throughout the tank, it wouldnt match up, I mean the swimming pattern of the fish.The side shot shows and it looks like what a tank sideview looks like but again if it were a hi def television,they could have filmed it and inserted it into the "side" of the tank. It couldn't be that could it ? This trick would be the stooge champion if indeed it was that. I keep watching it and it just looks like real magic.
Message: Posted by: wise owl (May 14, 2007 11:23PM)
Hi donkeys

No, I don't think that's the solution for the trick. It won't be able to show the same 3D view in 360 deg.
I just wanted to shows that sometimes layman thinks very difft but more direct than us. We sometimes complicated things.
Message: Posted by: donkeys and waffles (May 15, 2007 12:28AM)
Yeah, I agree that sometimes we do overdo it in our thinking. DL's are one for sure. I have been doing cards for a long time and never thought about my DL until a fellow magician mentioned it. I started paying attention to it and tried different methods. I have never had any problems or suspicions about my DL )from laymen) but boy I was concerned about it after it was mentioned by another magician. I still do it the way I did and still have no issues.

Anyone have any idea how in the #ell this is accomplished ? Pm me if you don't want to expose on open forum. It is driving me crazy.
Message: Posted by: Xiqual (May 15, 2007 12:39AM)
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On 2007-05-14 17:42, niva wrote:
But Cyril does them with more..... I don't know ;) And Cris Angel uses too many stooges :(

I prefer Cyril. He's just awesome
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If you think Cyril doesn't use stooges.... think again.
Probably half the participants.
Message: Posted by: gmmagic124 (May 15, 2007 12:22PM)
That's pretty wild.

I'm not surprised it is not for sale.
Message: Posted by: The Mac (May 16, 2007 01:15AM)
1 stooge.1 magician. Lots of legits(my coining of a term for real spectators) can really sell a trick to the camera. Just focus on the legits reactions while filming
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (May 16, 2007 02:26AM)
[quote]
On 2007-05-14 17:42, niva wrote:
But Cyril does them with more..... I don't know ;) And Cris Angel uses too many stooges :(

I prefer Cyril. He's just awesome
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The stooge to legit ratio is about the same with each one. Maybe the difference is the language.

And you must remember to distinguish between "stooge" and "not specifically identified cast member."
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (May 16, 2007 02:27AM)
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On 2007-05-15 01:28, donkeys and waffles wrote:
Yeah, I agree that sometimes we do overdo it in our thinking. DL's are one for sure. I have been doing cards for a long time and never thought about my DL until a fellow magician mentioned it. I started paying attention to it and tried different methods. I have never had any problems or suspicions about my DL )from laymen) but boy I was concerned about it after it was mentioned by another magician. I still do it the way I did and still have no issues.

Anyone have any idea how in the #ell this is accomplished ? Pm me if you don't want to expose on open forum. It is driving me crazy.
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You know better than to even ask this question, don't you?
Message: Posted by: donkeys and waffles (May 18, 2007 05:47PM)
Yes, I do know better and I knew an answer wouldnt come of it but it is driving me insane !!!!!
Message: Posted by: Gabriel Knight (May 21, 2007 11:39AM)
BIG reasons Cyril is so much better.

First his performance is MUCH better.
His image is better, not the crusty greesy Gothic crap.
He uses the structure of 3 for all his performances, which is put in every magic book written.
He uses principles in his first 2 phases that most people who do magic know. Then he does the sucker effect for the end.

All his effects still tell a story of some type.

Criss Angel just does a effect.
Lets look at it, HMMM Split a lady into 2..
Phase 1 pick someone
phase 2 Pick someone else cause she is too short.
Phase 3 Split her in 1/2 and let everyone fake scream as the Top 1/2 of the lady runs off and the camera has a perfect track to roll on to follow her.

OR hey lets bring up is Disappearing Episode, he disappears a girl sitting on a Patio Chair using a sheet. YET at the end of his DVD he disappears someone else in front of a live audiance and makes a HUGE deal out of it.. SORRY but where is the climax again? Isn't it the same trick?

Cyril
Coin/salt shaker through glass
Phase 1 Barrowed Coin passes through glass, Most magicians will notice Cyril's ring and also know you don't need Stooges to do this trick.
Phase 2 Pulls a salt shaker through the glass. Most magicains at this point might be able to come up with a OK idea of maybe how it happened. But would mostly be a little lost.

In most of his shows he will RECAP at this point, because people have short memmories.

Phase 3, Makes a coin get stuck in the middle of the glass, between 2 spectator's hands. Once again a sucker effect where you believe it passed through but ended up with an unexpected twist.

Cyril always includes people, and puts his effects together in 3's Even when he does a effect like Dropping his head, he still does a phase of 3 building upto it.

Where criss angel would run out into the street and try to scare the crap out of people with no buildup at all. So his effect ends up like a lightbalb blowing, the magic orgasim happens but it is over in a second.
Message: Posted by: jaymeswhite (Jun 6, 2007 12:41AM)
This blew my mind away when I first saw it I also liked the one he did with the alligator
Message: Posted by: Salby (Jun 6, 2007 08:25AM)
Yes-- Cyril has MUCH BETTER SHOWMANSHIP than Criss Angel or David Blaine.
Message: Posted by: mitchb2 (Jun 6, 2007 09:43AM)
I had to watch the coin through glass many times before I got it.
And his cigarette manipulation routine is beautiful.

I don't know enough to criticize Criss Angel, so that's not what I'm doing, but I hate the idea of stooges. My kids like Criss because he "looks cool." I've never really seen him do sleight of hand, just prepared stuff.

Does he have a background in traditional magic before his Mindfreak show?
Just wondering.
Message: Posted by: jimhlou (Jun 6, 2007 01:28PM)
Criss does have a background in traditional magic, and he's really quite good. Like most of us, he's being doing magic for a long time. He does one of the best Metamorphosis around. With his Mindfreak gig, he just happened to hit on the right thing at the right time.

Jim
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Jun 6, 2007 02:12PM)
Shame the demo vid has been deleted by youtube
Message: Posted by: Vinnie Laraway (Jun 6, 2007 03:12PM)
Ok, can we safely say that everyone would benefit if A&E replaced Criss Angel with Cyril?

:jump:

-Vinnie
Message: Posted by: Doug Higley (Jun 6, 2007 06:00PM)
Replace? Why not add.
Message: Posted by: Jason Shapiro (Jun 6, 2007 07:15PM)
I love watching this video! We all use gaffs, we are magicians. In my opinion using a gaff strictly for the camera and the "crew" is not as respected by magicians as using a gaffed tank with a stooge in front of real laymen, live shot on film and done so,so well. Some of Angel's show is pure "crew" at the filmings. It is still great work and I love the show, but Cyril uses stooges differently. I love watching them both. Cyril may have ALL crew in some of his work as well but, even as a magician, I couldn't tell! There is so much more art than if they used a stooge. Most of all, Cyril simply makes me look at my own magic closer.
Message: Posted by: Adam Milestone (Jun 7, 2007 01:53PM)
DC uses more stooges in his current show than probably in other time in his career, but it's the way in which he and Cyril conceal that fact that set them apart from CA. A friend of mine commented on the first episode of MF that was on the other night saying that the group of people that were present for his decent from the top floor inside of the Luxor were "all his people". The friend is a non-magi so I don't know, I guess with CA it's just more obvious that a stooge is employed. He's seen lots of Cyril videos and has never made that comment and that goes for DC too; in 16 years he's never once thought that DC ever used CT or stooges. Criss could take a lesson! ;)