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Topic: Forgery By Glen West
Message: Posted by: Irishghost (May 22, 2007 12:52PM)
Forgery by Glen West

Alright fellow Cafť friends, most of you who know me, know that I refuse to review effects that I feel will not help, or improve our magic. So I am pleased to review Forgery for you right now. I have been awaiting for this effect for the past six months, and was pleased to get an advanced copy. So here it is fellas!!!

DVD Quality:

On a scale of 1-5 I give the over all quality of the video and audio on this DVD a 3.5. Donít get me wrong, a 5 would be something put out by David Stone and Ellusionist. There is some background noise in one section of the DVD for half a second, and it appears to be shot with a hand help on a stand. Donít get me wrong, it seems to be a high end camera, just not one of those $8000.00 jobbies that E and the top companies use lol. At no time during my viewing, did I need to squint my eyes, or adjust my flat screen. Again not a big deal, I just now that you guys want the skinny on every aspect of a DVD before you spend your hard earned dollars on an effect.

The Effects:

There are three taught on the DVD, but one will soon release the other possibilities this gaff can be used for. Please remember this is what the spectator will see. The first effect shown on the DVD is,

Signing Off:

The spectator is given a free choice of a card. The selection is lost in the deck, and the magician claims he will find the selection. The magician reveals the wrong card, and asked the spectator to initial it. The magician then wipes at the initials with his thumb and in one quick wipe, the wrong card has changed to the spectators selected card, with their initials on it. It does not end there though. The cards are spread in the magicians hands to show that the incorrect card that was signed, is face up in a face down deck with no markings on it. Very awesome reactions with this one. Quick and to the point. Pure eye candy.

Tephlon Cards:

The spectator freely chooses a card. The card is then placed on the table by the magician. The magician explains that his cards have a special tephlon coating on them, and that if signed, the marker will rub right off. The spectator signs the Queen of Diamonds, and is instructed to wipe the marker off. It seems as if the wrong cards are being used because the initials will not rub off. The magicians tries, and has no trouble rubbing the ink off the card, face up right under the spectators nose. The magician then picks up the spectators card from the table and shows the spectatorís initials are on the card that has been sitting on the table in plain view. This one really gets them looking at you like you have three heads, I love it. This effect has the impact that Your Signed Card by Brother John has, with out all the handling, a true signed card transpo.
Flip Flop:

A card is sandwiched face down between two Jokers. The card is slowly pushed through and is seen to be warping (could not resist) face up. You then flip everything over showing the backs and repeat the effect face up. Thatís right, you may have to re read that last sentence, I will wait. Immediately, no funny awkward moves, nothing. Once you have pushed the face up card though, you can show the cards and hand everything out. Glen teaches how to get clean. It takes about a half a sec, and you will miss it in the performance video if you blink. Any effect that you are able to hand out the cards is top notch in my book. This effect will have the spectator begging to see the cards, and when you give the cards to them, you can almost hear their heart hit the floor. I really love this effect, it really fools magicians, I should now, I was one of them lol.


The explanations are taught so well, you will be performing in no time. Glen explains everything from spectator control, to the moves needed to get in and out of these effects. Practice sessions are also included in this DVD, which only enhance the overall feel to the DVD. Truly a great addition.

The gimmick, not only do you get one with the DVD, Glen teaches you how to make one. How many creators would do that? As with the rest of the DVD, nothing is left out on the construction of this little beauty.

Now my personal favorite:

The DVD comes with a demo of Glens Signed Torn and Restored Card effect called Seamless. I was lucky enough to see this up close and personal. Through each tear of the card, I was surprised on how open everything was. In the back of my mind I was telling myself, nothing really new here, but the openness of the tearing bothered me lol. Now the killer, the restore faze. So visual, so clean so open. I found myself with my hand over my mouth half way through, laughing like a little school girl. I mean it was so visual. The last faze was the icing on the cake. BANG instant restore and no seams or creases. He handed my the card immediately and smiled. I shoke his hand and advised him not to release it. This effect is well worth any sum of money Glen decides to sell it for, if he sells it.

Overall score of Forgery 5/5
DVD Quality and sound 4/5
Seamless teaser 10/10

You really have to get Forgery into your arsenal A.S.A.P

Cost of the effect T.B.A
Were I got an advanced copy http://www.kwmagic.com
Release date T.B.A
Regards,
Jeremy Hanrahan
Message: Posted by: Y2John (May 22, 2007 05:15PM)
Wow, sounds and looks good. Does anyone know if kwmagic ship to the uk?
Message: Posted by: Y2John (May 22, 2007 08:01PM)
Well ive just ordered, ive seen Seamless and it looks phenominal so ive got high hopes for this.
Message: Posted by: gdw (May 22, 2007 09:11PM)
Thanks guys. So glad this is finally getting released, but still nervous. Still wanna shoot a full teaser/demo./ The ones on the KW site are the performances from the DVD, and as you know, if it doesn't have screaming girls on the street, lots of cuts and loud music, it can't sell ;)
Message: Posted by: gdw (May 22, 2007 09:12PM)
Oh, and it's GlenN, but don't worry, everyone makes that mistake.
Message: Posted by: APC (May 22, 2007 10:59PM)
L will get this eventually because ever since I saw your stuff, I have been waiting for a release of something like this. Now if only I wasn't broke right now...and man I can't wait for seamless...if you release it...PLEASE?! jk! ;)

but seriously...it looks like the greatest T&R I've ever seen.

Can't wait to get this Glenn and keep up the great work!

Adam
Message: Posted by: magicstudent (May 23, 2007 01:01AM)
Anybody know how different this one with John Rivav's "Amazing materializing signature"? Thanks.

Jeff
Message: Posted by: gdw (May 23, 2007 01:49AM)
I do not know the method of that one, but from the looks of it, with it you can only change the card from a jack to a different jack.

With Forgery, the spectator has a completely free choice of card. No forcing what so ever.

There are also several different effects/routines on the Forgery DVD.
Message: Posted by: Irishghost (May 23, 2007 07:32AM)
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On 2007-05-22 22:12, gdw wrote:
Oh, and it's GlenN, but don't worry, everyone makes that mistake.
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Sorry GlenN my advanced copy did not come with a cover lol. Don't be nervous, the effect will stand on it's own.

Regards,
Jeremy Hanrahan
Message: Posted by: sailorphil (May 24, 2007 06:44AM)
I can't believe the hype was held off this long...

Glad to hear you like the trick Jeremy, it has been a year since we decided to start this project. Hopefully there will be some more reviews from the other previews sent out !

Just to fill in a couple of blanks that IrishGhost had TBA beside:

Suggested Retail is $29.95

We are shipping them to wholesalers and dealers next week.

DVD was done this way to keep the retail price down.
So far response has been very positive.

Phil
Message: Posted by: magicstudent (May 31, 2007 12:13AM)
[quote]
On 2007-05-24 07:44, sailorphil wrote:
We are shipping them to wholesalers and dealers next week.
[/quote]

Make sure they also shipped to http://www.themagicwarehouse.com ;-)

Jeff
Message: Posted by: tgplano (May 31, 2007 07:34AM)
How difficult is this? What sleights are required?
Message: Posted by: Y2John (May 31, 2007 12:34PM)
The actual workings of this are nice and simple, I don't want to go into what sleights are used because I don't want to give anything away, but I'm almost totally certain that you'll know whats needed.
Message: Posted by: Hart Keene (May 31, 2007 01:28PM)
Some of the effects that can be done with this are already being done with good old fashion sleight of hand.

If you are killing with similar effects with a regular deck why would one want to add this to their arsenal?

Would this be good for workers? In other words, a shuffled deck in use(funny how effects that require setup have a way of "disappearing" from your working material)? How easy can the gimmick come in and out of play? Can the spectators "examine" everything?
Message: Posted by: sailorphil (May 31, 2007 06:48PM)
If you are killing with similar effects... I suspect you don't need this one.

Personally I have not been fortunate enough to see a non-gimmicked version of this effect, nor have I witnessed your card handling techniques.

The idea of signature moving from the face of one card to the face of a chosen card - then letting the spectator keep the card is new to me, perhaps not to you.

I like the trick, the handling and the reactions... Glenn has done a fantastic job in creating and presenting this handling.

Currently there are only two people in the United States with this effect. It will be officially available in the next few days.

All the best

Phil
Message: Posted by: gdw (May 31, 2007 08:41PM)
[quote]
On 2007-05-31 14:28, Hart Keene wrote:
Some of the effects that can be done with this are already being done with good old fashion sleight of hand.

If you are killing with similar effects with a regular deck why would one want to add this to their arsenal?

Would this be good for workers? In other words, a shuffled deck in use(funny how effects that require setup have a way of "disappearing" from your working material)? How easy can the gimmick come in and out of play? Can the spectators "examine" everything?
[/quote]

Everything but the gimmick ;)

The gimmick can be added and taken away as easily as a single.

Might I ask what similar effects you are accomplishing with Slight of Hand alone?

I had found it impossible to move a spectator'a sig from the FACE of one card to another any other way so far. In my experiences that is ;)

So, as far as "set-up", there is NONE outside of that with any other effect with a gimmick.
Message: Posted by: sickmagic (May 31, 2007 10:43PM)
I am the one of the two in the united states! But still waiting for it to arrive, once it is in hands I will share a review from across the border! LOL
Message: Posted by: Constance (Jun 1, 2007 06:52AM)
"Might I ask what similar effects you are accomplishing with Slight of Hand alone?

I had found it impossible to move a spectator'a sig from the FACE of one card to another any other way so far. In my experiences that is "


Jay Sankey has an impromptu routine where one card is signed on the face and one card on the back. These cards are "squeezed" together to form 1 card that equals the sum of the other two cards and it has the signature on the front and back.
Message: Posted by: Y2John (Jun 1, 2007 06:57AM)
I have never seen an effect like this accomplished using sleight of hand, infact you'd have to be insanely skilled to be able get the exact same effect and as cleanly done, inhuman even.
What effect have you seen/learnt where you can accomplish what is done with Forgery using pure sleight of hand?
If you think you have any idea by watching the demo vid, then I'd say your very likely wrong.
Message: Posted by: sailorphil (Jun 1, 2007 07:04AM)
Sickmagic

If you haven't recieved yours today... let me know... I will see if I can get one Overnighted to you, it would be great to get another review.

all the best

Phil
Message: Posted by: Hart Keene (Jun 1, 2007 11:47AM)
So when I read the description above it didn't specify whether it was marked on the face or the back. Which is it? Or can it be used either way?

Also, couldn't you get a similar effect with a duplicate and a nice color/top change?
Message: Posted by: gdw (Jun 1, 2007 12:23PM)
The card is signed on the face. You can do it on the back, but then you might as well do a dbl.

But on the face, there is no denying that it is signed on THAT card.
Message: Posted by: Joshua Barrett (Jun 1, 2007 12:32PM)
John bannon tattoo you. specs sig from ace to face. spec keeps card. no one lay person I ever performed for has goten close to guessing the method. I get a lor of what the.. and such
Message: Posted by: Hart Keene (Jun 1, 2007 01:13PM)
[quote]
On 2007-06-01 12:47, Hart Keene wrote:


Also, couldn't you get a similar effect with a duplicate and a nice color/top change?
[/quote]


?
Message: Posted by: Hart Keene (Jun 1, 2007 01:19PM)
I guess that the last question is kind of pointless seeing that there are a ton of "similar" effects you can do that would be close to many of the gimmicked effects that are on the market. To each their own, but this type of thing isn't for me. Sounds cool though...
Message: Posted by: Y2John (Jun 1, 2007 01:25PM)
You could obviously do an effect where a specs sig appears on another card if you use a dupe, but then it wouldn't really be there sig, which, if your going to give them the card to keep, could cause a problem. In Forgery it is there sig so this worry never comes up. Also you'd have to routine it a certain way to achieve this effect where with Forgery you can just jump straight into the desired effect, and it's easy to acomplish and very direct.
Message: Posted by: gdw (Jun 1, 2007 02:07PM)
[quote]
On 2007-06-01 13:32, Joshua Barrett wrote:
John bannon tattoo you. specs sig from ace to face. spec keeps card. no one lay person I ever performed for has goten close to guessing the method. I get a lor of what the.. and such
[/quote]

"ace to face"?

I believe in Tattoo You, from what I have read, as I do not exactly remember the effect, the signature is moved from a chosen card onto a prediction that matches it. In other words, if they chose and signed the 4H then the prediction would match, thus being the 4H.

So the signature moves from the 4H to the 4H . . .

Not bashing the effect, I believe that the backs are different colours in that effect, are they not?

But with Forgery, their signature moves onto a freely chosen card. ANY card. The two cards used are completely different cards.
Message: Posted by: Joshua Barrett (Jun 1, 2007 02:17PM)
Ment face to face sorry. what you said is in fact true. my question is.... does the spec care it can be any card. the reactions I get from somthing like tattoo you is they are shock you could move the signature, and the fact the back color is red and not blue now proves the signature has moved to them
Message: Posted by: gdw (Jun 1, 2007 03:50PM)
Well, in the end all you are really doing is a colour changing back, lol.

The effect are different, and yes, I do believe that the fact that it is moved from one card to a completely different card far stronger than moving it from one card to the same card just with a different back.

The iitial reaction may be a good shock, and it is a good effect, but not too hard for them to reconstruct, or at least see that their signature and card looks exactly the same as before the "magic."
Message: Posted by: Irishghost (Jun 1, 2007 04:58PM)
I have performed Tattoo You and had gotten great reactions. But I have to say not a strong as Forgery IMHO. With Forgery there is no overhandling of the effect. Plain and simple as viewed from the specs POV.

Regards,
Jeremy Hanrahan
Message: Posted by: James Kaine (Jun 1, 2007 08:43PM)
Does it matter what kind of cards you use? in the demo on HP they r using the cards with the big numbers... also I use the black tiger would that matter? sorry if this was already talked about, I didn't see it
Message: Posted by: sailorphil (Jun 1, 2007 09:00PM)
I can't see wanting to sign a Black Tiger with Black Sharpie...

Right now the trick only works with White Bicycle cards - colours and tigers will not work, the Jumbo pips are nice for three reasons first it is the type of card that laymen are used to seeing on TV and in Casinos, second the jumbo pips help the spectator REMEMBER their card, also there is room on each card for the signature.

The trick comes with cards, gimmick(s) - yup there is a spare and an instructional DVD.

phil
Message: Posted by: THEGUY26 (Will Swanson) (Jun 1, 2007 10:20PM)
Use a gold sharpie with the Black Tiger deck.
Message: Posted by: James Kaine (Jun 1, 2007 11:25PM)
When I have spec. sign my black tiger cards, I use silver but like sailorphil said it only works with white cards
Message: Posted by: sailorphil (Jun 2, 2007 11:07AM)
I like the idea of a gold or silver sharpie... It would be expensive using Black Tigers in any destructive trick, but I am sure it would leave an impression with the spectator. - Just to clarify though - right now the gimmick cannot be used with Black TIgers
Message: Posted by: sailorphil (Jun 2, 2007 12:45PM)
I like the idea of a gold or silver sharpie... It would be expensive using Black Tigers in any destructive trick, but I am sure it would leave an impression with the spectator. - Just to clarify though - right now the gimmick cannot be used with Black TIgers
Message: Posted by: THEGUY26 (Will Swanson) (Jun 2, 2007 01:44PM)
Is it possible to make the gimmick?
Message: Posted by: Y2John (Jun 2, 2007 01:48PM)
Yes, this is fuly covered on the DVD.
Message: Posted by: THEGUY26 (Will Swanson) (Jun 2, 2007 01:56PM)
Cool. Is it possible to use this as a torn and restored card trick?
Message: Posted by: sailorphil (Jun 2, 2007 01:59PM)
It is possible to make the gimmick, and the DVD shows you how to make and repair the 'gimmick', in case you damage or yours or need a spare.

The necessary item needed however is very difficult to manufacture, there is a spare one included with the trick. Further replacements are available from the manufacturer - Kind of Magic (kwmagic.com).

It is very difficult to talk about the special item without giving away the gimmick - needless to say they were specially manufactured.

Phil
Message: Posted by: sailorphil (Jun 2, 2007 02:02PM)
There is a torn and restored card preveiw on the DVD - the best one I have witnessed.

Forgery however is NOT a Torn and Restored card routine, although it could be used as part of a TAR routine. ( the DVD does not cover any Torn and Restored methods ).
Message: Posted by: THEGUY26 (Will Swanson) (Jun 2, 2007 02:05PM)
I already know about Seamless, and it is a great idea. I am just wondering about the possibilites with Forgery.
Message: Posted by: gdw (Jun 2, 2007 02:59PM)
I don't really see what you would use it for with a T&R.
Message: Posted by: gdw (Jun 2, 2007 08:50PM)
Just a reminder, to anyone who owns it, don't forget about the owner's forum.
Message: Posted by: sailorphil (Jun 3, 2007 06:34PM)
Glenn,

You should post the fourth handling in the owner's forum.
Message: Posted by: gdw (Jun 4, 2007 12:35AM)
Oh yeah, for got about that one.
Message: Posted by: gdw (Jun 4, 2007 07:47PM)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJx9z_mExHI

Just a vid for anyone who would like to see the effect. Well, one of the several possible.
Message: Posted by: RooMan (Jun 4, 2007 09:47PM)
Boy, am I glad you changed your demo video! The one on HP's site is waaaayyyy too "fancy". Give me a static shot demo any day. Your new one has me convinced to give the effect a try.
Message: Posted by: gdw (Jun 4, 2007 10:01PM)
Thanks mate. Yeah, the "flashy" demo was done to follow the "flashy" demo trend that is out and about right now.

I wanted to do a straight shot one, and now there is one, lol. I am quite pleased with it.

Glad you like it. Also, keep in mind that it is only one of three effect son the DVD included.

Glenn
Message: Posted by: gdw (Jun 5, 2007 02:41PM)
I guess I should say that this IS avaliable now. There wasn't really an official release, but it is avaliable at many store now.

Thanks
Glenn
Message: Posted by: Michael Peterson (Jun 5, 2007 06:57PM)
I see in the video that jumbo index cards are used, can it be done with regular Bicycle cards?



Mike
Message: Posted by: gdw (Jun 5, 2007 11:05PM)
Honestly, no. The gimmick is designed for Jumbos. Mind you, they have a lot of advantages, and I tend to use them more than regular indexed cards.

They are very clear, if you are performing for more than one person they are great as everyone can see without a doubt what the card is. There is always roome for cards to be signed, again, clearly, so there is no mistaking the signature. Not just for this trick of course, but for any signed card trick.

Also, Jumbo indexed cards are VERY common now. Expecially with the popularity of Texas Hold 'em, Jumbo indexed cards are everywhere on TV with poker, and in all the casinos.

Also, remember that regular Bikes are only "normal" to magicians. Walk up to anyone who is playing cards and you will find a variety of decks. No one (including magicians when I perform for them) ever sees jumbo's as out of place.

Now flashy black, or florecently coloured cards, or clear cards are unique and draw attention to themselves, lol.
Message: Posted by: sailorphil (Jun 6, 2007 04:54PM)
Copied from the forum at kwmagic.com ( with permision )

Greetings,

On a recent visit to my magic store, I was shown a couple of effects from a package called "Glenn West's Forgery." To say that I was astonished would be a gross understatement. The purchase was a no-brainer, and I was amazed at how easy the effects are to do once you know how the system works.

I started off learning the "Signing Off" effect from the package, which didn't take very long. Mr. West conveys the methods very clearly and the practice sessions make it even better.

I've been having so much fun performing "Signing Off" that I haven't had the time to practice the other effects yet. Many of the people who have seen me perform it are shocked and extremely interested in how it is done. I always use the standard "If I tell you, I will have to kill you" response. The amazing thing is that half of them would probably pay that price!

I am glad that Glenn West made "Forgery" available to other magicians... it is definitely one effect that will be at the forefront of my repertoire for a very long time to come.
Message: Posted by: sickmagic (Jun 6, 2007 04:56PM)
A full review will be posted tomorrow in the review section as well as here. I just received it, watched the DVD,which is really nothing more than the workings of the effect and now it is time to play. I will say this much so far. The concept is fantastic and the overall idea is really great thinking.

sickmagic!
Message: Posted by: gdw (Jun 6, 2007 05:27PM)
Hey Sick, looking forward to your review. Perhaps in the review thread, now that this is actually avaliable. ( It is my understanding that this forum is more for up and coming effects. Yes, now?)

Hey Phil, where is that on the KW site?

Glenn
Message: Posted by: sickmagic (Jun 7, 2007 02:26AM)
Real Review! I received my package today, the packaging was cool, not that it matters I only cared about the content and the effect.
I will break it down in many aspects.

First the quality of the DVD Well it isn't L and L publishing or cutting edge DVD authoring, however the content in the DVD is really valuable and will help along the way of working the effects. The DVD if you ask me is really just a tool to aid in the following process and nothing more so the quality is not really an issue.

Glen goes over every little detail including how to make more gimmicks. So I decided to take the plunge and make the gimmick along side with the instruction on the DVD. Easy as pie only took about 15 minutes or so and that included a quick phone call that got in the way. The gimmick is clean and easy to make as well as nearly invisible. I say nearly because Glen goes over all possible situations to fix the very very small possibility if it is not invisible. I really mean small possibility.

The effects are top rated and for a seasoned pro, easily mastered, however for a beginner in magic it will take a bit of time to get the handling down to perfection. I have been doing magic for over 20 years and I practiced for a little over a hour or so just on one effect (Signed off) and when I got home this evening I showed my wife. Well we all know that the wife is tired of magic, however watching her eyes pop was a great feeling. I am going to La for work tomorrow and this will be included for a real run in front of some tough critics.

The value of this gimmick and trick is really were you can go with it. You are not limited to the few tricks that Glenn teaches; in fact I emailed Glenn and told him my brain is fried from several routine ideas and thoughts I had on this product.

There are a couple of bonuses one of them is just Glenn goofing off doing some one handed cut stuff (Easter eggs)...It is very casual and funny to watch as it seems
Like he was bored and they were filming it. LOL

Then I very rarely will say things like this because usually the creator of an effect will perform the effect better than anyone else. In this case a guy I believe his name is Criss performed his version of Forgery...OMG Even though I already watched the DVD played with it and practice for a while, made a gimmick myself this guy fried me. His handling made sense and was completely logical. The only thing that bothered me with his version was something he did from a performance stance. He had what I would call the sway addiction; he had a hard time standing his ground while doing the effect and swayed back and forth. It is a habit my first magic teacher told me to break and break fast because that is what will set you apart from the rest.

I want to stress the fact that the DVD quality is not good, but the material in it is fantastic and well worth every penny. I believe I am the second guy in the U.S.A to receive this and I glad that I paid the extra shipping and handling and I glad that I have a new tool that will be effective in my card work.



The highlight of the whole thing was actually seeing Glen perform seamless again. It has been a while since I have seen him do this and I was totally surprised at how much cleaner it looks a few years later. I have the original version of seamless and perform it on and off depending on my performance situation. It is probably the best Torn and Restored card I have ever done or seen.

This should be in every card workers act, this is something that is very clever very visual and something that will only add to your magic even if you don't use the effects on the DVD there is a whole lot you can do with this.

I would give this a solid 10 if the DVD was high quality, however since the DVD has a few glitches (nothing major or effect the learning process) and the quality was not very good...I AM GIVING THIS a SOLID 9 out of a possible 10.

Hope this helps you all make a decision since there has been a lot of talk or hype about this effect.

I am telling you how I feel from someone who works and does magic for a living. This is a great effect and worth every penny!

P.S. I am posting this in the review section as well!
Message: Posted by: gdw (Jun 9, 2007 10:58PM)
Kool, thakns for the review Sickmagic.
Message: Posted by: gdw (Jun 11, 2007 03:14PM)
Just to let you guys know, I will be at Kind of Magic on June 14 between 11 AM and 1 PM to demo Forgery for anyone insterested. It is a time during the CAM convention that looks to not be too busy, so I am planning on sneaking away for a bit to do this;)

Like I said, at this point in the Convention, there is not anything schedualed, out side of dealer's room being open I believe.

Hope to see some of you guys there.

Thanks
Glenn