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Topic: Cut to Any Card In the Deck
Message: Posted by: simquad (May 30, 2007 05:09AM)
Hello all!

I've been away for a bit working on new material and effects.

I was watching a Derren Brown DVD again the other day and saw his "Cut to any card" effect. I looked at this and thought that it may have some value to any audience and started devising methods and workings of it.

The basic effect looks like this:

The deck is shuffled and cut multiple times once the deck has been shuffled the deck is placed on the table. The performer asks the audience member to name [b]any[/b] playing card. This is a completely free choice and the audience member can change his mind as many times as he wants. The card is then told to the performer who instantly cuts to that card.


The effect is currently working at a simplistic level and you can truly cut to any card in the deck. The effect needs refinement but I'm not sure the best way to ask for help so I thought I would voice the idea out here.


Also the following effects can be accomplished:
@ Cut to the four Aces
@ A card is selected as is a number, this card is inserted into the deck at this number and the magi cuts straight to the card.



Also the beauty is it can be done with any regular deck of playing cards and can be performed virtually impromptu.


Ideas? Thoughts? Does this exist already?


Regards,
Rich
Message: Posted by: Hideo Kato (May 30, 2007 07:29AM)
No way with a normal deck. I can think of Cardini method only. (Or TV trick as usual). Impossible thing is impossible.

Hideo Kato
Message: Posted by: simquad (May 30, 2007 07:30AM)
[quote]
No way with a normal deck.
[/quote]
I'm sorry sir, you are wrong. :)
Message: Posted by: simquad (May 30, 2007 07:57AM)
Ah I have just seen the Cardini deck on the internet $50 is a fair price when it can be accomplished a lot cheaper than that for the price of a deck and a bit of time for setup and practice.

My version is able to be done using [b]any[/b]* pack of cards and has a pretty high success rate.




*Dependant on pack conditions.
Message: Posted by: Diavo (May 30, 2007 11:01AM)
How about a memorized stack and some estimation cutting practice? It has been done!
As for shuffling first, ever heard of the Heinstein or Zarrow shuffles? ':-)
Message: Posted by: simquad (May 30, 2007 11:40AM)
Diavo,
that is the prinicple I am working off. I have it to a 95% success rate at the current stage.

My problem, however, is the stack. To practice I'm currently setting up in CHaSeD and running Ace through King. I need assistance on finding an appropiate, possibly mathematical setup to allow me to work out the location of the card in the deck (number wise) the cutting is then elementary.

I described the effect from the audience's point of view, the shuffle is obviouslly of the false/blind variety


Thanks for ideas though,

Rich
Message: Posted by: ChristopherM (May 30, 2007 01:06PM)
If they're in that new deck order then working out the position is very straight forward.
Message: Posted by: simquad (May 30, 2007 04:04PM)
Yes which is the flaw with the effect. I need some recommendations on stacks that are both cylical and possibly mathematical. I've tried a Si Stebbins stack but it hurts my brain to think about the suits etc, I'm still trying the theory with it though.
Message: Posted by: Andy the cardician (May 30, 2007 10:57PM)
Tamariz stack might be a great solution - but it is more work to memorize it.
Message: Posted by: Hideo Kato (May 31, 2007 02:04AM)
[quote]On 2007-05-30 08:30, simquad wrote:
I'm sorry sir, you are wrong.[/quote]
Oh you mean shuffle by the magician. If so, I was wrong of course.
Stack + Esitimation has been used in ACAAN.

Hideo Kato
Message: Posted by: simquad (May 31, 2007 02:25AM)
Cheers for ideas, I'll have to have a look at that stack.
Message: Posted by: Hideo Kato (May 31, 2007 03:01AM)
I meant Memorised Stack. It is ridiculous to use Si Stebbins for that purpose.

Hideo Kato
Message: Posted by: Dennis Loomis (May 31, 2007 09:23AM)
To my friend Hideo Kato. One needs to be careful when saying: "No Way." I've eaten my words many times when I've seen things I assumed are impossible.

Of course, you said: "No way with a normal deck." But a stacked deck is normal in the sense that it is not made up of gaffed cards.

The following is possible, with enough practice, using an ungimmicked deck. A deck is introduced and a spectator (not a stooge) gives it a riffle shuffle. After that the magician also shuffles the cards. Then a spectator names any card (no stooge) and the magician, holding the deck cuts to that card. There is no deck switch, and no restrictions are placed on the card named. There are many people in the world that could do this with a 95 to 99 % accuracy. Mike Close could get *** close to 100%.

Dennis Loomis
Message: Posted by: ChristopherM (May 31, 2007 11:01AM)
Yeah, I've always admired the ability to cut any card called-for. Lennart Green can do it fantastically well too.

Sounds like Mnemonica would be a good book for you, simquad. And the works of Simon Aronson.
Message: Posted by: Hideo Kato (May 31, 2007 07:43PM)
[quote]On 2007-05-31 10:23, Dennis Loomis wrote:
To my friend Hideo Kato. One needs to be careful when saying: "No Way."[/quote]
Thank you for the advice. I will be more careful.

In fact, Magic is to challenge to impossibility so that "No Way" must be a taboo word especially for creators.

Hideo Kato

P.S.
I tried to say in careful way.
For me, there seems no way to do it with a normal deck shuffled well by a spectator.
Message: Posted by: Dennis Loomis (Jun 1, 2007 08:50AM)
To Hideo,
The key is the shuffle that the magician gives the deck after the spectators shuffle. You'll find the answer in the book Tangled Web by Eric Mead. Or, PM me.
Dennis Loomis
Message: Posted by: Hideo Kato (Jun 9, 2007 05:38PM)
Thank you Loomis-san for hintting the method. I think I guessed the method. Even if I am wrong, I have though out one method for spectator's Riffle Shuffle and one method for spectator's Over Hand Shuffle. Thank you for the inspiration.

Hideo Kato
Message: Posted by: Dennis Loomis (Jun 10, 2007 07:50PM)
Congratulations Hideo... way to go.
Dennis Loomis
Message: Posted by: Bill Hallahan (Jul 16, 2007 12:02AM)
There's an excellent book on estimation named, [i]Kato on Estimation[/i] by Hideo Kato.

Dennis, thanks for the tip about [i]Tangled Web[/i] by Eric Mead. I just found a copy and ordered it!
Message: Posted by: Sealegs (Dec 28, 2009 06:14AM)
When I was a youngster I recall a British magician who visited the Isle of Wight in the UK several times and performed at our local magic club. He specialised in multi phase gambling style demonstrations and then finished with having any card called for.

Any card would be named and springing the cards between his hands he stopped dead mid spring at the named card. He'd could do this over and over again with any card named. I've never heard of or seen anyone else perform this.


Time has fogged out the name of this gentleman. He was a man of fairly generous proportion and his name was Les or Len something. He was a member of the Magic Circle in London as I remember he wore their badge; it was the 1st time I'd seen one. Maybe someone here remembers him.

Neal
Message: Posted by: jazzy snazzy (Dec 28, 2009 07:05AM)
I met a professional gambler who could do that. He never missed and could even bring any named card to the top instantly. I asked him how many cards he could control at once. He said "52".
Message: Posted by: Socalled (Jan 9, 2010 01:50AM)
Hey all... I had a Cardini deck like 10 years ago and I can't find it anywhere... apparently "they" don't make 'em any more, and I can't remember the way it was set up... I know I could make one in about 5 minutes with a pair of scissors but *** I can't remember!!! Maybe it's bad form but could someone refresh my memory???? Argggghhhh!!! Thanks...
Message: Posted by: MHamel (Mar 9, 2010 02:12PM)
Marc Oberon has a deck designed specifically for this. He has it when he lectures and it is really impressive but might not be for all magicians...
Message: Posted by: Josh Chaikin (Mar 31, 2010 08:21PM)
Years ago I remember seeing Bruce Cervon perform an effect like this on an old tape, I don't remember the name of the effect or video. This method was done with a normal, shuffled deck.