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Topic: 1st Dove!
Message: Posted by: Stephen Williams (Jul 22, 2007 05:10AM)
YAY! I am getting my first dove next Tuesday! I can't wait! :bigsmile: I have ordered a big cage for it and am going to pick up all it's food tomorrow! I am going to let it get used to me and it's new home before trying to do any productions with it. Does anyone know what sized travel cage should I get?
Message: Posted by: Dave Scribner (Jul 22, 2007 06:26AM)
Ste, if you are just going to transport your dove to a show and bring him home, then you can use a regular pet carrier used for dogs and cats. A small one if fine. If you are going to stay overnight somewhere, then you want to take a cage with you. I take a 24" x 24" x 18" one with me.

If your dove isn't trained yet, it will take about 6 weeks for you to get him used to you and not fly away. You need to do this before you start trying to do tricks with him.
Message: Posted by: Stephen Williams (Jul 22, 2007 07:16AM)
Thanks for the info Dave! I appreciate it!
Message: Posted by: Bob Sanders (Jul 22, 2007 09:41AM)
Congratulations on your venture into dove magic. I hope you enjoy it.

For just one or two doves the pet carrier I use is 12" x 18" and 8.5" high. It will fit into my roll on tables for travel and storage at the venue.

Bob Sanders
Magic By Sander
Message: Posted by: Regan (Jul 22, 2007 04:38PM)
Congratulations Ste! I am green with envy! :)

Message: Posted by: Stephen Williams (Aug 7, 2007 05:40AM)
Just a quick update:
I cancelled my order from my original breeder as he didn't really seem to know what he was talking about and kept stalling. So after many phone calls I managed to find a new breeder who was actually a magician so he knew exactly what I was looking for. So I now have 2 female white Java doves! I received them last Friday, so they have now settled in and are very nice.

Although I am not going to rush into things, I have ordered Tony Clarks Dove Pocket & his red holder. Just so I can practice the moves with gym socks.
Message: Posted by: stageonstreet (Aug 15, 2007 12:08AM)
I use larger doves. The white Java doves, as I understand, are just a little smaller than my ring necked doves. They are lighter and more beautiful as well. Still, I like my doves because they were very easy to train and they do the job well. Further, there is food coloring...
Message: Posted by: Dave Scribner (Aug 15, 2007 05:51AM)
I always chuckle a little when I read posts about the variety of dove being used. Yes, there is a difference in size between a ring neck and a java dove but when they are produced, the audience has no idea what breed you are using or that they even come in sizes. They also are not aware of the brightness of the bird. They see a white dove fluttering and that's what impresses them.

All of my birds are ring necks and they are different sizes. I have never heard anyone say "hey, that bird is smaller than the other one". It just doesn't register with them.

It's one of those magician things. It seems obvious to us but we are not performing for ourselves. What the audience sees and what we as dove workers see, are two entirely different things.
Message: Posted by: stageonstreet (Aug 15, 2007 06:43PM)

when you use your doves are they body loads or with other props, or both?
Message: Posted by: Bob Sanders (Aug 15, 2007 07:12PM)
On 2007-08-15 19:43, stageonstreet wrote:

when you use your doves are they body loads or with other props, or both?

I'm not Dave, but do I have a little experience with dove magic and body loads. Doves do get mixed with other loads (production items). My favorite mixed loads are doves with silks, ropes, bottled beverages, flags or newspapers. Routinely, I first produce the Line of Silks and then doves from that. (They are loaded together but produced separately.)

Bob Sanders
Magic By Sander
Message: Posted by: Dave Scribner (Aug 15, 2007 08:31PM)
Stageon.. In my current act, I use body loads exclusively but I in the past used both body loads and props. If you're looking to pack small/play big, then body loads are the way to go.
Message: Posted by: close_up_act (Aug 29, 2007 07:46PM)
New to dove magic aswell...what do you recommend as the best and worst body loads and props to buy....and is the tony clark dvd one of the best ways to go to learn dove magic?
Message: Posted by: Dave Scribner (Aug 30, 2007 05:39AM)
Asking which is the best of anything is always up to personal choice. Some of us prefer straight pockets, while others prefer those at an angle. Some like Gen Grant holders while others like Tony Clark's. The answer to your question is "what ever works best for you".

Tony Clarks Unmasked and Andy Amyx's Doves 101 are excellent teaching videos but so is The encyclopedia of dove magic, Amos Levkovitch "Just do it" Gen Grants "how to make a living stealing...Doves of course". There are many sources and most are very good. Learn as much as you can before getting that first dove and jumping into dove magic.
Message: Posted by: close_up_act (Aug 30, 2007 12:51PM)
So your saying I should get the books and vidoes on dove magic and then buy a dove?....isn't that like reading card tricks and watching videos and then buying a deck of cards?....
Message: Posted by: 1906Alpha1906 (Aug 30, 2007 01:52PM)
I think what Dave is trying to say (correct me if I am wrong Dave) is that Doves are not props in any sense. You have to know about doves before you make them part of your family. Getting good learning tools is the best thing to do before you bring the animal home. They are nothing like cards. Cards don't breath, so you can't hurt them. Doves are fragile and can be hurt if you aren't careful with them. Watching videos is good before you obtain the doves because you can see what goes into it. Its best just to read up a little on the care of doves - food ,water, space, housing, etc....which all that info can be found on the net.

You can get a dove first, yes, but realize that the dove is going to have to get used to you, and its surroundings. The dove is going to have to trust you first, or it won't cooperate (and still, there is no guarantee that it is going to cooperate *haha*). If you obtain a Dove and then immediately start working with it with holders,etc....it may be too much stress on the bird and the trust factor won't be there. I guess it would be like asking someone you just met to come over to your house, and then you say
"Hey, while you are here, get in this box for me and I will lock you in and let you out, I promise"..(that is meant to be funny)

At the same time, dove magic is only learned by doing too, so you just have to make the right choice when you start into this field. Its ALOT of work. Not just practicing, but taking care of your new pet. There's more to it that just having a dove, trust me. I have 12 and it gets overwhelming sometimes with everything else. I think Dave had some crazy number at one point too! He knows what he is speaking of, and I am sure other Dove magicians can agree.

I say GO FOR IT, just keep in mind that you are dealing with live animals. Also, finding the right dove can be a task also *smile* but that's another story.
Hope that helps a little.
Message: Posted by: Dave Scribner (Aug 30, 2007 02:59PM)
That pretty much sums it up. When you get a book on cards, you take the deck and do what the book says, step by step. You can't do that with a dove. As Alpha says, you have to train the dove and get it used to you and if you haven't read or watched a video, you won't know what to do first or how to do it. Read, watch and absorb all the information you can first. Too many beginners go out and get a bird or two only to discover they don't have the time, patience, money or ability to work with doves. It's a big responsibility and very time consuming.

It's not a matter of just putting a bird in a dove pan and performing. Methods of making pockets, harnesses, and holders needs to be explored before trying to do body loads.