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Topic: Is gospel magic always story magic?
Message: Posted by: snilsson (Feb 10, 2003 04:16PM)
In my home country, Sweden, gospel magic is virtually unknown so I'd be very glad if you could tell me a little bit about this particular branch of magic.

Looking at gospel magic from a distance it seems to me that almost all routines are of the story magic variety: "This silk represents God and this rope represents Jesus", etc. Are there any gospel magic acts that use a more structured and theatrical approach? Perhaps something along the lines of standup comedian Ellen Degeneres' signature piece "Phone call to God".
Message: Posted by: BroDavid (Feb 10, 2003 07:26PM)
Gospel magic has a purpose; to illustrate, illuminate, educate, edify and or entertain with a Biblical message.

The Bible is written in story fashion and many of Christ's illustrations were parables, or stories. So it would not seem to be unusual that most Gospel magic themes use a story approach.

But I am sure that there are many, (I do a number of performances that are more presentational and theatrical than story line based) Christian magicians that use structured, theatrical presentation styles.

Message: Posted by: amazingboz (Feb 13, 2003 05:16AM)
As performers it is our license to remake the shoe (magical effect) to fit the person.
I have always looked at the effect and worked, brainstormed from there. There is no right or wrong way, in all truth, define the needs of your audience and let your creative juice flow...

Great Luck and prayers do get answered!

AmazingBoz :bunny2:
Message: Posted by: snilsson (Feb 13, 2003 05:50PM)
AmazingBoz, thanks for your encouragement. However, I don't plan to start performing gospel magic. I just want to learn more about it.

I find it very fascinating that you point out that "prayers do get answered". To me this is very much the essence of magical thinking: trying to control our destiny using supernatural means. Magic and religion certainly have much in common. And that's why I'm curious to know if there is anyone who, within a religious context, uses magic in other ways than to illustrate a story.
Message: Posted by: DavidKenney (Mar 24, 2003 02:35PM)
I agree with Bro..

Christ used all sorts of stories to get his message across and he is God!
Message: Posted by: lhughes (May 13, 2003 09:56PM)
I suspect that we are on the cusp of gospel magic today. Although I have only seen story telling routines used, I suspect there are other approaches, they are just not in full bloom yet.
Message: Posted by: Dragona (May 13, 2003 10:28PM)
I have seen a lot of magic routines that are just magic routines known to all magicians that have been turned into Gospel routines. Also, there are tricks that you can buy, such as the magic coloring book, that just change pictures into those along religious lines. So to answer your question, not all Gospel magic is story magic. True that about 99% of it is, there are routines that you can do with a Gospel theme that doesn't have a story that you have to have go with it.
Message: Posted by: impossible man (May 16, 2003 11:03AM)
I don't even try to make my patter for each trick bring out a Biblical truth. Sometimes it will, sometimes it would just be too forced. I make a presentation of effects, all of which should be impossible, right? And I close with a short message about impossible things - It is impossible for us to be friends with God because of sin, it is impossible for us to make up for our own sin, and it is impossible for us to live the way God wants us to. All of these can be accomplished with God. "With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible." I found that if I try to turn each trick into a sermon what I come up with is neither outreach or entertainment of a very high caliber.
Message: Posted by: Dragona (May 18, 2003 06:24PM)
Well said Impossible man. If you try to force a message on a trick it loses something. But I do know that if God gives a gift to use for him, he will provide the message. :cuteangel:
Message: Posted by: Pit_Finn (Jul 17, 2003 11:55PM)
I do not change each effect to a "Gospel message" trick. I usually do the first half of the "show" in a normal way and find a way before the bullet catch to talk about my life and how Jesus did miracles in my life. I rather show the audience what Jesus did in my life. Just hearing bible stories did not bring me to Jesus either....

Pit Finn
Message: Posted by: harris (Jul 26, 2003 10:26AM)
Greetings, I have been told that I am doing gospel magic, or ministry even when I am not sharing something specifically related to it. (gospel magic)

Sometimes we are the only Bible a person may "read." I am not a person that can quote the bible.

Here is a true nearly normal experience.

I was returning to my car with my magical wife Annie. I had forgotten I was wearing my Parody of the Budweiser Commercial (Bud - Weis - ER/Frogs)

My shirt has 3 frogs with the Script

A person who had been at the show stopped me and commented on the shirt. He then asked me where it was from. I told him I did not know. He then started to tell me of his own ministry and quoted many bible versus.

I listened while he talked quite awhile. My wife (one who can quote AND LIVE the quotes)shared one line from the bible. I can't remember what it was.

She later told me she thought the man was judging me for not being able to answer his simple question. I do not know if he was or wasn't. For me I go with a quote from my friend who was a former agnostic.

He likes to say,

Your God and my God may not be the same (or same name) but I bet they are Friends.

In His Name.
You are appreciated by,
Harris Deutsch