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Topic: Mentalism and cards
Message: Posted by: jmuscold (Sep 20, 2007 08:18PM)
I like tricks (usually with cards) that have a mentalism slant.

Example

I will deal cards until you tell me to stop, then you predicted the card they stopped at.

Cut the deck anywhere you want, you cut at the joker.

Pick a card any card, wow you picked the only blue backed card.

These are the type of tricks that I like, where mentalism seems to be the explanation of the effect.

Does anyone have a recomended book with a listing of effects like this?
Message: Posted by: magic_man_jim (Sep 20, 2007 08:22PM)
Mentalism is a wonder way to go! It gives your audience a feel that it could actually happen! Shoot me a PM sometime we can discuss some things!
Message: Posted by: MattWayne (Sep 20, 2007 09:48PM)
Larry Beckers, World of Super Mentalism- book one & two.

Great card stuff there for you. It'll keep you busy...

best regards,
Matt Tomasko
Message: Posted by: Dynamike (Oct 1, 2007 04:55AM)
The Brainwave and Thought Sender decks are good dealing with mentalism. If you are thinking about getting serious with mentalism, try ESP cards.
Message: Posted by: SamChak (Dec 25, 2007 11:19PM)
Card College Light by Roberto Giobbi (Book)

It's a Professional Self-Working Card Magic with Mentalism effects.
Message: Posted by: Nedim (Dec 27, 2007 06:42AM)
Hi,

If you want to be mentalist its wrong to use cards,coins..etc. You must do real mental things as a mentalist. If you don't you will be a mental magician. If you want to be a mental magician, ok, you can look for Max Maven tapes, and may be Richard Osterlind...

magicially yours,


Nedim Guzel
Message: Posted by: Richard Osterlind (Dec 27, 2007 07:06AM)
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On 2007-12-27 07:42, Nedim wrote:
Hi,

If you want to be mentalist its wrong to use cards,coins..etc. You must do real mental things as a mentalist. If you don't you will be a mental magician. If you want to be a mental magician, ok, you can look for Max Maven tapes, and may be Richard Osterlind...

magicially yours,


Nedim Guzel
[/quote]


Yes, you certainly don't want to be like Kreskin, Dunninger, Annemann, Corinda, Koran, Baker ......
Message: Posted by: Nedim (Dec 27, 2007 09:05AM)
Mentalism is just an interest for me. I love watching and reading about mentalism. But I believe there are two categories. Mental magic and mentalism. And I believe if you want to be a mentalist you must live like a mentalist not like a magician.


magicially yours,


Nedim Guzel
Message: Posted by: Richard Osterlind (Dec 27, 2007 09:38AM)
[quote]
On 2007-12-27 10:05, Nedim wrote:
Mentalism is just an interest for me. I love watching and reading about mentalism. But I believe there are two categories. Mental magic and mentalism. And I believe if you want to be a mentalist you must live like a mentalist not like a magician.


magicially yours,


Nedim Guzel
[/quote]


Right. So just ignore my argument.
Message: Posted by: Nedim (Dec 27, 2007 05:08PM)
Dear Mr. Osterlind,

I love your Dvds and your magic. But when you wrote I couldn't understand what you mean clearly. Did you look to the subject as I do or not? Do you agree my suggestion about mentalism?


magicially yours,


Nedim Guzel
Message: Posted by: Richard Osterlind (Dec 27, 2007 05:24PM)
Nedim,

All the men I mentioned used cards in their work. Using cards in mentalism does not make one a "mental magician" as opposed to a "mentalist." It is a legitimate part of the art.

Richard
Message: Posted by: Nedim (Dec 28, 2007 07:33PM)
Mr. Osterlind,

I understand what you mean. But I think a mentalist must use cards less than a magician.


magicially yours,


Nedim Guzel
Message: Posted by: Richard Osterlind (Dec 28, 2007 09:30PM)
Nedim,

I agree with you 100%. They must be used very sparingly. I, for instance, only do one or two effects of that type all evening. Since many magicians think of cards as a magicians prop, they worry a bit too much about them. For the average lay person, a deck of playing cards is for card games and gambling.

And, of course, you want to avoid flourishes and fancy sleights, but rather handle them the same way most people do.

Yours,
Richard
Message: Posted by: Nedim (Dec 29, 2007 03:56AM)
Mr. Osterlind,

I agree with you. When people saw a mentalist who can do lots of flourishes with cards, they can't believe him. Also I like your style and magic. In my old writing I just try to say a lots of mentalists forget to do mentalism in their acts. They think like they are presenting any kind of magic trick. I think this is a wrong way to do mental magic.


magicially yours,


Nedim Guzel
Message: Posted by: jmuscold (Dec 29, 2007 07:34PM)
I like to perform the breakthrough card system, and can not recommend this enough.
Message: Posted by: andre combrinck (Dec 30, 2007 05:28AM)
The cards issue has been debated in Corinda's 13 Steps,Mind ,Myth and Magic, but most well-known mentalists have always been in favour of them.I have seen some very convincing mental effects using cards(eg. does anything look more legitimate than Radar Deck?).

I believe cards definately have their place in mentalism.

AJ
Message: Posted by: ALEXANDRE (Dec 30, 2007 10:43AM)
I use playing cards in most of my work (BCS regularly). They are common, everyday objects to people and, contrary to the belief of many, playing cards do not indicate ‘magic tricks’ to the general public. In fact, currently you can turn on the television any day of the week and find people playing poker on several channels.

Cards are merely a tool, a limited tool of 52 items. I'm dealing with an infinite number of choices here ... fifty-two cards. If in my "J ack Galloway Experiment" for instance, I had the participant visually choose any object they could set their eyes on, I could not have done this or even gotten close. The jazz musician, for instance, also has a finite number of notes in his arsenal.

The J ack Galloway Experiment: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98kGzHNzk1w