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Topic: Another new coin in bottle: Abyss 2
Message: Posted by: THEGUY26 (Will Swanson) (Sep 21, 2007 08:56AM)
[url=http://www.mjmmagic.com/store/abyss-the-revolutionary-coin-in-bottle-by-the-enchantment-p-5052.html]mjmmagic.com[/url]

Here we go again...

This looks really good, though.

Can be done with an empty or factory sealed bottle.
Ultra quick set-up.
No-cover visual penetration.
Signed coin.
Can be done with other objects.
The bottle hasn't been "tampered" with.

What do you all think? I might buy it, it's pretty cheap.
Message: Posted by: patrick66 (Sep 21, 2007 08:58AM)
I say it's impossible, I am not going to buy this until someone discovers that the ad is not honest.
Message: Posted by: THEGUY26 (Will Swanson) (Sep 21, 2007 09:37AM)
I'll but it.
Message: Posted by: Y2John (Sep 21, 2007 09:53AM)
Hey this does look good... and it's pretty cheap to
Message: Posted by: JPK (Sep 21, 2007 10:03AM)
There is this review on the site:
This is a good effect but takes the right environment and is not impromptu in any sense of the word. What I do not like and I feel that is not fair to magicians are the mistatements in the description. You cannot hand out the "sealed" bottle as a keepsake. It is not possible. Hope this helps someone make an informed decision.
Date Added: 09/18/2007 by Rick Snyder
Sounds like the ad might be a bit misleading.
JPK
Message: Posted by: THEGUY26 (Will Swanson) (Sep 21, 2007 10:11AM)
Hmm. Maybe I won't buy it.
Message: Posted by: THEGUY26 (Will Swanson) (Sep 21, 2007 10:14AM)
Read this review that was on the site:

This is just awesome. I just got it but it is so easy I plan on doing it tomorrow for a show. The reviewer that said it can't be done with a sealed bottle was mistaken. He is refering to the Abyss that came out years ago. This one the bottle is TOTALLY sealed and given away. The methods to Abyss are very original, trust me. There is a very short set-up, but much of the effect can be done impromptu without needing to have anything on you. The skill needed to do it would be a 1 on a 1-5 scale meaning. Much of it is self=working. I am very impressed.
Message: Posted by: THEGUY26 (Will Swanson) (Sep 21, 2007 10:31AM)
I will to, once I get my copy.
Message: Posted by: knickz4lyfe20 (Sep 21, 2007 10:59AM)
Wow that looks like the perfect coin in bottle. I placed in order via penguin. I hope the effect is as practical as it sounds/looks
Message: Posted by: nikyas (Sep 21, 2007 11:43AM)
This actually looks good. Waiting for review...
Message: Posted by: wise owl (Sep 21, 2007 12:01PM)
The adv didn't say it can be done with signed coin though?
Message: Posted by: THEGUY26 (Will Swanson) (Sep 21, 2007 12:08PM)
It did in the demo. It also showed a signed quarter in a factory sealed bottle.
Message: Posted by: Y2John (Sep 21, 2007 12:17PM)
Yeah this looks great... but I mostly only heard bad things about the old version

Ths looks really good though
Message: Posted by: THEGUY26 (Will Swanson) (Sep 21, 2007 12:27PM)
I liked the old version. It may not have been practical, but it did leave the spectator with a great souvineer.
Message: Posted by: Andy Ace (Sep 21, 2007 12:58PM)
One of the effects look very similar to Lucid Dream 2.
Most of them look visual, except for one of the factory sealed version.

Btw the effects shown can all be achieved using the old Abyss gimmick.

"The Ultimate is still the Ultimate" Does that mean that the new Abyss is the same as the old Abyss?

[quote]
On 2007-09-21 11:03, JPK wrote:
You cannot hand out the "sealed" bottle as a keepsake. It is not possible. Hope this helps someone make an informed decision.
Date Added: 09/18/2007 by Rick Snyder
[/quote]

So you cannot give out the bottle at the end of the trick?

I don't quite like the old Abyss. The set up is too fragile for me to perform it with confidence.
Message: Posted by: gmmagic124 (Sep 21, 2007 01:29PM)
Looks like the same method, just the bottle upside down.
Message: Posted by: knickz4lyfe20 (Sep 21, 2007 01:37PM)
[quote]
On 2007-09-21 14:29, gmmagic124 wrote:
Looks like the same method, just the bottle upside down.
[/quote]

in the original abyss the bottle had to be tampered with. also the penetration looks different. the bottle could also not be sealed, and it used a label although it wasn't necessary. the set up was considerable and for the new abyss is "ultra quick" so is probably not the same set up. old abyss ain't immediately examinable either. the price is the same though, so could be using a similar gimmick.
Message: Posted by: gmmagic124 (Sep 21, 2007 01:48PM)
[quote]
so could be using a similar gimmick.
[/quote]

I wouldn't be surprised.
It looks like the same gimmick to me.
If so, the Set Up is a problem for many. (not to mention dirty clean up)

Doesn't look like you can do right there in front of your spectators.

[quote]
On 2007-09-21 14:37, knickz4lyfe20 wrote:
and it used a label
[/quote]

From his performance, he takes the label off, but still needs cover.
I'm guessing it's pretty much the old abyss just with liquid.

Anything is ultra quick compared to the old abyss.
Anyone know what the totally set up time is?
Message: Posted by: THEGUY26 (Will Swanson) (Sep 21, 2007 01:53PM)
[quote]
On 2007-09-21 13:58, Andy Ace wrote:
One of the effects look very similar to Lucid Dream 2.
Most of them look visual, except for one of the factory sealed version.

Btw the effects shown can all be achieved using the old Abyss gimmick.

"The Ultimate is still the Ultimate" Does that mean that the new Abyss is the same as the old Abyss?

[quote]
On 2007-09-21 11:03, JPK wrote:
You cannot hand out the "sealed" bottle as a keepsake. It is not possible. Hope this helps someone make an informed decision.
Date Added: 09/18/2007 by Rick Snyder
[/quote]

So you cannot give out the bottle at the end of the trick?

I don't quite like the old Abyss. The set up is too fragile for me to perform it with confidence.

[/quote]

I do not see how it could be done using the same gimmick. And read my post below that review. It can be kept forever by the spectator.
Message: Posted by: gmmagic124 (Sep 21, 2007 01:54PM)
THEGUY, you don't even have this...

Anyone know what the totally set up time is?

That's the real question...PRACTICALITY..
Message: Posted by: THEGUY26 (Will Swanson) (Sep 21, 2007 01:59PM)
I never said I did have it. I said I do not SEE how it could be done with the old gimmick. If it was using the same gimmick, wouldn't it be a lot more expensive the the original Abyss?
Message: Posted by: gmmagic124 (Sep 21, 2007 02:04PM)
[quote]
On 2007-09-21 13:08, THEGUY26 wrote:
It did in the demo. It also showed a signed quarter in a factory sealed bottle.
[/quote]

It says "sealed" not factory sealed.

[quote]
On 2007-09-21 10:53, Y2John wrote:
it's pretty cheap to
[/quote]

Cheap isn't always a good sign.
I am wondering if you get the 'same gimmick' just with a different write up.
Message: Posted by: Andy Ace (Sep 21, 2007 02:08PM)
So can the bottle be given away?

I'll wait for more reviews before buying this.
Message: Posted by: THEGUY26 (Will Swanson) (Sep 21, 2007 02:20PM)
It also says 100% completely sealed and unopened.

Yes, the bottle can be given away, which has been said multiple times.
Message: Posted by: BRodgers (Sep 21, 2007 03:23PM)
[quote]
On 2007-09-21 16:14, Andy Ace wrote:
However the coin and bottle are not shown clearly as seperate objects before the penetration.
[/quote]

Yeah, plus he is wearing ALL BLACK with a black background. Unfortunately you can't wear black all the time and it be night time.

For the price they offer...I am guessing its just the same gimmick along with a new write up...Not something to go run out and buy, especially if you have the old version. Doesn't seem practical enough for me. The set up and clean up was never worth it for me with Abyss. Not crazy about it. Practicality is everything to a worker...
Message: Posted by: Andy Ace (Sep 21, 2007 03:36PM)
Hmm I don't think that they used black art for this effect.

I highly doubt they are using the old gimmick if the bottle is sealed and can be given away.

There are a few ways to achieve the effects in the demo video. The method is clever, if it is what I think it is. ;)

Like what I said this is really the year of CTB effects. One more nice CTB to the list.
Message: Posted by: THEGUY26 (Will Swanson) (Sep 21, 2007 03:49PM)
The signed coin was a quarter, I'm pretty sure of it. That means it is too big to fit in the bottle. No one said anything about black art, either.
Message: Posted by: BRodgers (Sep 21, 2007 03:53PM)
It looks like the old method...PLUS some new ones added which mean additional time for the set up.
Message: Posted by: gmmagic124 (Sep 21, 2007 03:54PM)
It's possible it still uses the same method (with the whole liquid kick) along with some extra things.

It would be nice to see some full performances without all the blackness.
Somehow I think they are trying to disguise the dirtyness of it all and make it seem cleaner than it really is.
Message: Posted by: THEGUY26 (Will Swanson) (Sep 21, 2007 04:01PM)
This looks nothing like the first one.
Message: Posted by: THEGUY26 (Will Swanson) (Sep 21, 2007 04:22PM)
"The next kicker is that the coin is genuinely trapped inside the bottle and impossible to get out. The coin is far too large to get in or out of the bottle and remains fixed permanently in this impossible condition."

I didn't see anything on there that said "small coin".

I was told all those things about Impervious by someone who knew a lot about the trick, so it's not really my fault, and I am sorry for saying those things.

There actually is a way to do those things with Impervious.
Message: Posted by: THEGUY26 (Will Swanson) (Sep 21, 2007 04:51PM)
It says nothing about a small coin.
At the end of the demo, there was a signed quarter in a factory sealed bottle. Quarters are too big to get out of a bottle like that.
Message: Posted by: gmmagic124 (Sep 21, 2007 04:59PM)
You mean 'sealed' bottle...they never said it was factory sealed.

They never show the actual penetration for the sealed version.

[quote]
On 2007-09-21 09:58, patrick66 wrote:
I say it's impossible, I am not going to buy this until someone discovers that the ad is not honest.
[/quote]

I think I'll pass too.
Message: Posted by: THEGUY26 (Will Swanson) (Sep 21, 2007 05:02PM)
Well, they don't prove it's factory sealed, and it's only a demo. In my mind, sealed and factory sealed mean the same thing. I do think it is performed with a factory sealed bottle. I could maby ask The Enchantment and find out.
Message: Posted by: gmmagic124 (Sep 21, 2007 05:06PM)
[quote]
On 2007-09-21 18:02, THEGUY26 wrote:
Well, they don't prove it's factory sealed,
[/quote]

That's because it probaly isn't.

I'm sure the price would be a lot higher if it was a real factory sealed bottle.
Message: Posted by: THEGUY26 (Will Swanson) (Sep 21, 2007 05:08PM)
Well, they said that the bottle is completely 100% sealed. Why would they need to say the cap in 100% completely screwed on?
Message: Posted by: gmmagic124 (Sep 21, 2007 05:12PM)
Sealed, re sealed..same to me.


In any case, it doesn't seem like you can do it 100% impromptu.
If the clean up is [b]anything[/b] at all like the old abyss, then I don't see the major revolutionary aspect here.
Full bottle and sealed bottles have been done before. Where have they been?
Message: Posted by: THEGUY26 (Will Swanson) (Sep 21, 2007 05:15PM)
This is not impromptu at all. I'm not sure about the clean up, though.
Message: Posted by: THEGUY26 (Will Swanson) (Sep 21, 2007 10:02PM)
Alright, I'm getting ready to place my order for this right now.
Message: Posted by: wise owl (Sep 21, 2007 10:59PM)
Looking forward for your revw, the guy. I got the old abyss and just would like to know how much improvement they made.
Message: Posted by: Andy Ace (Sep 21, 2007 11:27PM)
[quote]
On 2007-09-21 18:12, gmmagic124 wrote:
Sealed, re sealed..same to me.


In any case, it doesn't seem like you can do it 100% impromptu.
If the clean up is [b]anything[/b] at all like the old abyss, then I don't see the major revolutionary aspect here.
Full bottle and sealed bottles have been done before. Where have they been?
[/quote]

If the bottle is really factory sealed, it cannot be done 100% impromptu. I don't see any 100% impromptu coin through factory sealed bottle on the market.

I don't think the clean up is like the old abyss. If you need to do that clean up, then the audience will not be able to take the sealed bottle home.
Message: Posted by: gdw (Sep 21, 2007 11:37PM)
[quote]
On 2007-09-21 17:22, THEGUY26 wrote:
"The next kicker is that the coin is genuinely trapped inside the bottle and impossible to get out. The coin is far too large to get in or out of the bottle and remains fixed permanently in this impossible condition."

I didn't see anything on there that said "small coin".

I was told all those things about Impervious by someone who knew a lot about the trick, so it's not really my fault, and I am sorry for saying those things.

There actually is a way to do those things with Impervious.
[/quote]

You really need to learn how to read magic adds.

There are several different handlings with this. That much is clear.

The different statements apply to different handlings.

What you quoted says NOTHING about the coin being signed , or the bottle sealed. Meaning that one handling allows for a large coin to end up in an opened bottle.

ANOTHER completely separate handling allows for a smaller signed coin to end up in a "sealed" bottle.

Now, let's look at the word "sealed." "Factory Sealed" implys an unbroken seal around the lid. We should all know that often when something in magic is presented as "sealed" (an envelope, a deck of cards) it very well could have been previously unsealded and the re-sealed. I have no problem with ads using the term "factory sealed" even though it would technically be "magician sealed." My acceptance of this is due to the fact that we know what is meant, and saying "a bottle with that little ring under the cap being un-broken" is a bit much. ;)

Now, as for SEALED on it's own, well, ask yourself, if you were performing, and you put the cap on a bottle, would you say to the spectator that the bottle is now sealed and there is no way to get anything inside?

Or, if you filled a bottle with watter to take with you somewhere, you would make sure it was "sealed" before putting it in your bag or something, wouldn't you?

So, "sealed" on it's own, does not explicitly mean the safety seal is un-broken.

This little lesson in reading magic ads has been brought to you by the letter "g," and the number's 6, 6, 6.
Message: Posted by: VcosNJ (Sep 22, 2007 01:33AM)
Hmm seems like the standard for coin in bottle is becoming increasingly impossible by the minute with all these effects out on the market. This is the year of CIB. I just find it funny that whenever a new CIB comes out, people will nitpick it to death because "it's not visual, too much hand movement, finger placement, sealed or unsealed..". At least there's several very good and viable options for CIB for those interested in the plot. :)
Message: Posted by: houston_3721 (Sep 22, 2007 02:37AM)
I don't own the original Abyss so I don't know about the gimmick, set-up and clean-up. However this new Abyss looks clean for me, at least from what I see in the video. A coin is seen in the bottle after the open penetration and the hand is shown empty fairly I can say.

It looks nice. But set-up time and practicality are really important no matter how strong the effect is. So more reviews will be welcomed! :)

I am still yet to watch and learn Impervious. Different CIBs have different strong and weak points. So more CIBs on the market will improve everyone's options, which is a good thing. At the end of the day, the one suits our own style will do. No competition, but improvement in magic.
Message: Posted by: THEGUY26 (Will Swanson) (Sep 22, 2007 09:14AM)
Alright, I finally found that whole small coin thing (my eyes are bad from doing the thread from eye trick. I do it about 10 times a day). It is another routine, and we're not talking about that right now. I still really do think we're dealing with a factory sealed bottle. Why would they need to make such a big deal about the lid being screwed on? Obviously the lid is screwed on, or the water would spill out. I do have my own ways of doing a signed coin in bottle where the bottle is factory sealed, and the seal has truly never been broken, and the bottle can be kept by the spectator.
Message: Posted by: Andy Ace (Sep 22, 2007 10:47AM)
[quote]
On 2007-09-22 10:14, THEGUY26 wrote:
Alright, I finally found that whole small coin thing (my eyes are bad from doing the thread from eye trick. I do it about 10 times a day). It is another routine, and we're not talking about that right now. I still really do think we're dealing with a factory sealed bottle. Why would they need to make such a big deal about the lid being screwed on? Obviously the lid is screwed on, or the water would spill out. [/quote]

Yup, I trust the ad. The bottle is factory sealed and the audiences can keep the bottle.

[quote]
I do have my own ways of doing a signed coin in bottle where the bottle is factory sealed, and the seal has truly never been broken, and the bottle can be kept by the spectator.
[/quote]

Sounds great! Maybe you can show a video of it soon?
Message: Posted by: THEGUY26 (Will Swanson) (Sep 22, 2007 12:23PM)
No, I don't have a video camera. I will post a review, though.
Message: Posted by: Y2John (Sep 22, 2007 03:20PM)
I know a way also to have a bottle where the seal has genuinely never been broken... but the set-up is pretty time consuming
Message: Posted by: THEGUY26 (Will Swanson) (Sep 22, 2007 03:23PM)
Yeah, but you can also buy sealed bottle caps.
Message: Posted by: Y2John (Sep 22, 2007 03:53PM)
Lol oh yeah... I have a whole pack in my cupboard from when I was playing around with bottle effects, and I forgot completely about them till now
Message: Posted by: jonxodus (Sep 23, 2007 08:58AM)
I don't know about this, I didn't really like the old abyss CIB so if it uses the same principle than its a big no for me. Will be waiting for your review GUY
Message: Posted by: THEGUY26 (Will Swanson) (Sep 23, 2007 09:56AM)
I heard from someone who has it, that they don't lie in the description at all, and it really is a factory sealed bottle.
Message: Posted by: Y2John (Sep 23, 2007 10:08AM)
Same here
Message: Posted by: gmmagic124 (Sep 23, 2007 11:17AM)
[quote]
the coin and bottle are not shown clearly as seperate objects before the penetration.
[/quote]

I see. At the end they just show the 'display' of a coin in the bottle.
Not too hard to accomplish a 'display' like that.

[quote]
On 2007-09-21 13:58, Andy Ace wrote:
Btw the effects shown can all be achieved using the old Abyss gimmick.
[/quote]

That's what it looks like to me too for the penetrations. Just because the bottle is inverted doesn't really change much.

Thanks for the info, Andy.
Message: Posted by: Andy Ace (Sep 23, 2007 11:48AM)
[quote]
[quote]
On 2007-09-21 13:58, Andy Ace wrote:
Btw the effects shown can all be achieved using the old Abyss gimmick.
[/quote]

That's what it looks like to me too for the penetrations. Just because the bottle is inverted doesn't really change much.

Thanks for the info, Andy.
[/quote]

Hey gnmagic124, try not to put words in my mouth. Did you read the post I quoted below?

After I knew that the sealed bottle can be given away, I said that it is unlikely they are using the old gimmick.

I don't have any solid info of this effect. All comments are based on my observations.

[quote]
On 2007-09-21 16:36, Andy Ace wrote:

I highly doubt they are using the old gimmick if the bottle is sealed and can be given away.
[/quote]
Message: Posted by: gmmagic124 (Sep 23, 2007 12:20PM)
How is quoting you putting words in your mouth?

You need to read my post more carefully, young man.

I said for the "penetration" part.
The penetration looks like the same gimmick as before.

I wouldn't be surprised if it is. If so, the same clean up would be involved.
Message: Posted by: JustinClark (Sep 23, 2007 01:17PM)
So is anyone who ACTUALLY owns this going to comment or is everyone going to sit here and speculate?
Message: Posted by: knickz4lyfe20 (Sep 23, 2007 02:03PM)
[quote]
On 2007-09-23 14:17, JustinClark wrote:
So is anyone who ACTUALLY owns this going to comment or is everyone going to sit here and speculate?
[/quote]

mine is being sent out tomorrow via penguinmagic through priority mail
ill give it a review based on the package and method when I get it, and a more thorough review when I use it on a spectator. I really hope this is practical
Message: Posted by: Andy Ace (Sep 23, 2007 02:04PM)
Cannot wait to see a full reivew of it! =)
Message: Posted by: gmmagic124 (Sep 23, 2007 03:30PM)
[quote]
Do you own Abyss btw?
[/quote]

Yes. When I first saw it, I liked it a lot.
Then, I realized it wasn't as clean as it looked in the original demo.
(probably because they cut away the end quite quickly)
Message: Posted by: shek (Sep 23, 2007 03:52PM)
With all the CTB's coming out this year, I'm going to wait until some reviews come out before I decide to get this...OR until the next hyped up CTB :)
Message: Posted by: THEGUY26 (Will Swanson) (Sep 23, 2007 04:08PM)
There is no clean up, I know this for a fact.
Message: Posted by: gmmagic124 (Sep 23, 2007 04:26PM)
THEGUY26

Do you have this?
Message: Posted by: THEGUY26 (Will Swanson) (Sep 23, 2007 04:27PM)
No, but I talked to someone who does.
Message: Posted by: gmmagic124 (Sep 23, 2007 04:28PM)
[quote]
On 2007-09-23 17:08, THEGUY26 wrote:
I know this for a fact.
[/quote]
I didn't know facts were "something people say."
Message: Posted by: THEGUY26 (Will Swanson) (Sep 23, 2007 04:31PM)
Do you really distrust everyone that much?
Message: Posted by: gmmagic124 (Sep 23, 2007 04:35PM)
Please chime in with the facts that are based on actually knowing for sure.

[quote]
On 2007-09-23 14:17, JustinClark wrote:
So is anyone who ACTUALLY owns this going to comment or is everyone going to sit here and speculate?
[/quote]

Yes a review is welcomed from anyone who knows for certain.
Message: Posted by: THEGUY26 (Will Swanson) (Sep 23, 2007 04:38PM)
The person I talked to knows for certain. If you don't trust him, why should I be trusted?
Message: Posted by: gmmagic124 (Sep 23, 2007 04:40PM)
[quote]
On 2007-09-21 17:12, Andy Ace wrote:
I can still remember the time when you said Impervious can be done impromptu with a factory sealed bottle and a big coin. The truth is you don't know anything much about Impervious back then.

In the end Jeremy and Chris had to clarify that it's not true. [b]I hope the same thing won't happen again.[/b]
[/quote]

Andy makes a good point here.
People want more than "what you hear", that's all.
Message: Posted by: The Mac (Sep 23, 2007 04:50PM)
Another coin in bottle = another thread = another war of words = entertainment
Message: Posted by: gmmagic124 (Sep 23, 2007 04:53PM)
LOL, yeah for real mac.
It would be nice to get solid info from people who actually own it then we could see if it suits us, so we can do the entertaining while performing with them.

My main question is...does it use the same gimmciks for the penetrations as the old version.
To me it looks like it does, I'd just like to know if they are the same.
Message: Posted by: THEGUY26 (Will Swanson) (Sep 23, 2007 04:55PM)
Well, all your questions will be answered once I recieve it, unless someone else gets it first.
Message: Posted by: gmmagic124 (Sep 23, 2007 04:56PM)
Thank You.
Message: Posted by: gmmagic124 (Sep 23, 2007 04:59PM)
[quote]
On 2007-09-23 17:56, The Mac wrote:
I had people telling me about my own trick which wasn't released yet! lol!
[/quote]

LOL that's funny.

That's why I always ask questions.
Speculation is normal, but you have to get the facts from the horses mouth if you're unsure about anything.
Always ask questions. "Buyer Beware" is an old, but good phrase.

Looking forward to a review.
Message: Posted by: Highland (Sep 23, 2007 06:04PM)
I have this but I don't understand the confusion. The ad say 100% completely sealed. It is. It says immediately examinable. It is.
Message: Posted by: gmmagic124 (Sep 23, 2007 06:58PM)
[quote]
My main question is...does it use the same gimmciks for the penetrations as the old version.
To me it looks like it does, I'd just like to know if they are the same.
[/quote]

How's the set up?

Does the 'basic penetration' require the same gimmicks as the old abyss, or is this completely diff?
Message: Posted by: Highland (Sep 24, 2007 03:55AM)
[quote]
On 2007-09-23 19:58, gmmagic124 wrote:
[quote]
My main question is...does it use the same gimmciks for the penetrations as the old version.
To me it looks like it does, I'd just like to know if they are the same.
[/quote]


Does the 'basic penetration' require the same gimmicks as the old abyss, or is this completely diff?
[/quote]

This is different.

[quote]
How's the set-up [/quote]

The set-up is as fast, easy, and practical as conceivably possible. Trust me.

.
Message: Posted by: gmmagic124 (Sep 24, 2007 08:03AM)
In the video ad (1:46) it mentions something about the original methods involved of abyss...
Message: Posted by: palmtreemagic! (Sep 24, 2007 09:21AM)
[quote]
On 2007-09-24 09:03, gmmagic124 wrote:
In the video ad (1:46) it mentions something about the original methods involved of abyss...
[/quote]

you could be reading too much into it. it could be an original method, not the original method from old abyss. this supposedly has no clean up which is different from old abyss and someone who has this said this method is different.
Message: Posted by: gmmagic124 (Sep 24, 2007 09:56AM)
[quote]
On 2007-09-24 10:21, palmtreemagic! wrote:
it could be an original method, ...
[/quote]

[quote]
On 2007-09-24 10:21, palmtreemagic! wrote:
this supposedly [/quote]

Anyone care to give a full and detailed review?
It's nice to see 'new users' here on the Café pop on an off of various threads.
But, honestly ladies and gents, "could be" & "supposedly" just bring us all back to square one with this.
Message: Posted by: Chris Oberle (Sep 24, 2007 11:20AM)
I just saw the demo clip and wasn't too impressed with it, but then again I am familiar with the old abyss which to me, penetration-wise looks like you can accomplish the same thing.
Message: Posted by: knickz4lyfe20 (Sep 24, 2007 11:33AM)
Ive heard this is very good, very practical
Message: Posted by: palmtreemagic! (Sep 24, 2007 11:37AM)
[quote]
On 2007-09-24 10:56, gmmagic124 wrote:
[quote]
On 2007-09-24 10:21, palmtreemagic! wrote:
it could be an original method, ...
[/quote]

[quote]
On 2007-09-24 10:21, palmtreemagic! wrote:
this supposedly [/quote]

Anyone care to give a full and detailed review?
It's nice to see 'new users' here on the Café pop on an off of various threads.
But, honestly ladies and gents, "could be" & "supposedly" just bring us all back to square one with this.
[/quote]

who says I'm new to magic? I didn't know my post count on themagiccafe determined my knowledge, level of skill, and legibility in magic. thanks for the welcome to the magiccafe. nice to meet you too, so called elite user
Message: Posted by: gmmagic124 (Sep 24, 2007 11:42AM)
[quote]
who says I'm new to magic? [/quote]

I don't know, I give up.
Message: Posted by: THEGUY26 (Will Swanson) (Sep 24, 2007 12:12PM)
Well, he did say "new user", not new to magic. I ordered this on Friday using express shipping from Penguin Magic, and they said it would ship on Tuesday. This basically happens everytime, and that's why I'm never ordering from Penguin Magic again.
Message: Posted by: gmmagic124 (Sep 24, 2007 12:17PM)
[quote]
On 2007-09-24 13:12, THEGUY26 wrote:
This basically happens everytime, and that's why I'm never ordering from Penguin Magic again.
[/quote]

Hey Will, give them a call.
Tell them to refund you for the $ spent on express.
Message: Posted by: Y2John (Sep 24, 2007 12:21PM)
^^Agree^^

You don't pay for express only for them to not even ship it out till tuesday
Message: Posted by: gmmagic124 (Sep 24, 2007 12:24PM)
Exactly, they didn't deliver.
You have to stand up for your consumer rights.
Message: Posted by: gdw (Sep 24, 2007 03:11PM)
[quote]
On 2007-09-24 13:12, THEGUY26 wrote:
Well, he did say "new user", not new to magic. I ordered this on Friday using express shipping from Penguin Magic, and they said it would ship on Tuesday. This basically happens everytime, and that's why I'm never ordering from Penguin Magic again.
[/quote]

Um, you do realise that Tuesday is tomorrow, right? Usually next day shipping is still pretty ***ed good. I don't really see what the problem is. Not a hell of a lot of places claim same day shipping, so why expect it?
Message: Posted by: Y2John (Sep 24, 2007 03:14PM)
^^lol didn't realise^^
Message: Posted by: THEGUY26 (Will Swanson) (Sep 24, 2007 03:51PM)
I placed my order on Friday, and they are suppoed to ship it sturday. I never expected it to ship the same day.
Message: Posted by: gdw (Sep 25, 2007 12:27AM)
Ah, whoops, I read it as "ordered today" for some reason.

Mind you, mail doesn't go on Saturdays either. Still, one would imagine it would go out Monday, but still, the second business day after you order is not bad. The real issue is the day it arrives. I don't care when it gets sent out, as long as it gets here in a decent amount of time. Doesn't matter if they sent it out the day before I receive it, what matters is how many days after I ordered it do I receive it.

Yes, they are related, but also dependent on how they send it. In the end, all I still care about is when I get it.

If I order something Friday in the after noon, I am never surprised if it does not make that days final mail run. That's a lot to ask of most places, unless you order first thing in the morning.

But if I order it Friday, they send it out Tuesday, and I get it Wednesday, I'm still ***ed happy, lol.
Message: Posted by: THEGUY26 (Will Swanson) (Sep 25, 2007 10:49AM)
It still hasen't shipped yet. I will probably get it in 5 days from when it ships, because I payed for 3-5 day delivery, so I usually epxpect to get it as late as possible from Penguin.
Message: Posted by: THEGUY26 (Will Swanson) (Sep 25, 2007 02:43PM)
My order finally shipped.
Message: Posted by: JPK (Sep 25, 2007 05:51PM)
As much as people like to pick on Pengiun, I have never had a problem with them. The prices are always better and the shipping has always been perfect. Free shiiping to the east cost always get my stuff here in 3 days. How is that bad?
JPK
Message: Posted by: THEGUY26 (Will Swanson) (Sep 25, 2007 06:02PM)
Well, maybe I'm just unlucky. Whenever I try and order with free shipping from Penguin, it comes in 15 days.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Sep 25, 2007 06:13PM)
Try ordering with MJMMagic next time. Shipping is free. If you register, you get a 10% discount on most items and anything in stock I usually get within 3-5 days. (I'm in Utah and they are shipping out of CA I think.) Love those guys!
Message: Posted by: THEGUY26 (Will Swanson) (Sep 25, 2007 06:21PM)
Yeah, I have ordered there, but they had the stuff I needed there.
Message: Posted by: sabitu (Sep 25, 2007 07:09PM)
Penguin usually does have fast shipping in my experience. But if you pay with Paypal instead of a credit card they have to manually process it and it takes a few days longer. This is why I don't pay with Paypal when I order from them.


Matt
Message: Posted by: knickz4lyfe20 (Sep 25, 2007 07:53PM)
I ordered my abyss on friday morning (830 AM EST) for priority mail and it only shipped today. took them over 3 business days to just ship my order that probably weighs very little
Message: Posted by: Jonathan P. (Sep 26, 2007 09:00AM)
4 pages and still no real solid info about the pros and cons about this...
Message: Posted by: emanmagic5 (Sep 26, 2007 02:44PM)
Someone posted a review here....

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=227740&forum=109&1
Message: Posted by: smitty (Nov 8, 2007 10:29PM)
So, perhaps a dumb question, but WHY is Abyss 1 & 2 in a booklet form, and not on DVD? The demo is obviously dvd, so why is this effect ONLY available in a booklet form. I don't have time to sit and read books these days, but I can pop in a DVD and practice along while watching.

The only other Coin/Cap Through Bottle effect I know of that is in booklet form, and not DVD, is Mike Powers V.I.P.. I bought it a few months ago, and it has been sitting on my shelf collecting dust since the second day after I got it. When I saw the setup involved, I immediately shelved it.

Luckily it was very cheap.

I don't understand though why Abyss is not on DVD.

????smitty
Message: Posted by: palmtreemagic! (Nov 9, 2007 12:45AM)
[quote]
On 2007-11-08 23:29, smitty wrote:
So, perhaps a dumb question, but WHY is Abyss 1 & 2 in a booklet form, and not on DVD? The demo is obviously dvd, so why is this effect ONLY available in a booklet form. I don't have time to sit and read books these days, but I can pop in a DVD and practice along while watching.

The only other Coin/Cap Through Bottle effect I know of that is in booklet form, and not DVD, is Mike Powers V.I.P.. I bought it a few months ago, and it has been sitting on my shelf collecting dust since the second day after I got it. When I saw the setup involved, I immediately shelved it.

Luckily it was very cheap.

I don't understand though why Abyss is not on DVD.

????smitty
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Actually, the booklet is very in depth, even more so than the FS/Bullet DVD's. Also, the products forum has several teaching demo's the artist himself has posted to teach all the tricks shown in the demo vid. For $13, you can't go wrong. It has a ton of info for CIB nuts and also a few gimmicks, but your right, no actual DVD. Point is, if you want a CIB effect, get Factory Sealed