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Message: Posted by: Cody Comet (Sep 26, 2007 09:21PM)
I need help with my Health homework. Since we are starting a violence unit,the teacher wants me to ask someone 50 years old or older these 2 questions:

1.Do you think society is more or less violent than when you were a teen?
2.What are 3 reasons for violence today?

So if you are 50 or older,I want you to respond,answering these two questions so I can get my homework done. And please don't turn this into a debate due to the subject matter. Thanks.
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Sep 26, 2007 09:36PM)
One question Mr. Comet (are you related to Joe Comet?).

Are you asking about violence in the US such as crime on an worldwide bases? I'm assuming you are refering to person to person violence.
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Sep 26, 2007 09:54PM)
Hey Mr. Comet, I was thinking about your question and I think you need to collect the ages and periods of which people are speaking. Think about it, if you were a kid during World War Two then the world was at a level of violence almost unimaginable to those that have not seen such a thing. In the US the 60s was very violent (even compared to the US during WW2). The 50's were, for the most part, pretty docile. This is why the question is too general in my opinion because it doesn't take into account the perspective and interpretation of the question. I'm sensing your teacher is a typical lib hoping to prove that today it is oh so violent and all that as is proven by the second question.

I'd ask the following:
1. what is your age?
2. What is the period of time you are refering to?
3a. Do you consider society to be more violent on a global basis during that period?
3b. Do you consider society to be more violent on a domestic basis during that period?
4. How did you get information in which to gauge the level of violence at that time? (news papers and magazines, radio, newspaper, TV, just overheard stuff)
5. Do you feel modern media emphasises violence more and it is more easily noted due to modern technologies?
6. Do you wonder why a health teacher is asking this rather than a social studies teacher?

Then get your excel kicked into gear and do graphs, I suggest a histogram, showing the responses as it relates to age groups.

Of course that is just me.
Message: Posted by: rossmacrae (Sep 26, 2007 09:56PM)
I'm 58.

WHICH society?

American society - the violence moves from place to place over time, but it remains. I can't put statistics to the issue, but as I perceive it the level of violence remains the same. So we're not killing Indians anymore, or shooting each other on the streets of the Wild West, or dying of thirst or starvation on the wagon trail to California, but we're crashing cars and that factor alone accounts for as much violent death as in earlier years. Urban violence today is (I'm guessing) not far greater than urban violence of yesteryear, it just gets reported more widely and more accessibly - the murder that once rated a second-page story in a single city paper is now a three-day wonder on CNN.

Global society - again, an issue of "used to be hidden, now it's reported worldwide". Entirely aside from war, I don't think there was ever a time when one group of humans was not slaughtering another group. More troubling, despite the fact that now the whole world knows about these atrocities, still nobody does anything effective about them. Sure, we "send U.N. peacekeepers" ... sometimes, and too late, and too few, and we restrict them from doing more than keeping a village from being slaughtered today so that it can be slaughtered tomorrow instead.

3 reasons?

The same reasons today as always - human nature, human nature and human nature. If you want to know what makes the kind of political or religious fanatic who can cut children's arms off wholesale, or blow up a busy market full of women and kids, read Eric Hoffer's THE TRUE BELIEVER. You can get it cheap used on Amazon, and it's short, engaging and unsettling - see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_true_believer

If you want to know what makes the kind of communal inertia that allows good and honest people to stand idly by while a great and noble country ... oh, if I tell you, this thread will get deleted (ain't that a hoot?)

Old people like myself can tend to be world-weary and just keep their heads down below the radar of political violence and out of the reach of random violence, to live their lives safely, for their family's sake as much as anything.

Young people like yourself often almost universally feel a kind of idealism that can drive social change (at least, as far as change is possible ... some of us spend all day Sunday in church being reminded that human nature never changes, never ever ... and it's true). I would applaud that idealism and encourage you to use it to effect change and make a mark in the world consistent with your values and ideals. Except, of course, that giving blanket encouragement to that encourages those with less noble ideals to go blow up markets, or pass constitutional amendments removing the rights of those they disapprove of. (Oh, see, I'm in "thread deleted" territory again ... pesky conservatives!)

Interesting to see how long this discussion lasts before it deteriorates, or gets deleted, or both. I think I'll pm you just to be sure you get it.
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Sep 26, 2007 09:58PM)
Ross just proved my thoughts were accurate. The range is too narrow. Well thought out answer geez.
Message: Posted by: Cody Comet (Sep 26, 2007 10:29PM)
Thanks for the answers to the questions guys. and your exactly right about my teacher,MagicSanta. which is why I don't look forward to when she does sex ed. and thanks for your answer rossmacree,since I will be using your answer as not to offend my teacher,despite it being very long.
Message: Posted by: Cody Comet (Sep 26, 2007 10:30PM)
Oh,and I am not reffered to as Joe Comet MagicSanta,but it sounds nice.
Message: Posted by: nucinud (Sep 27, 2007 12:46AM)
I am almost 61.
Yes there is more violence today.
More access to guns.
More drugs.
Less respect for life.
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Sep 27, 2007 02:57AM)
Joe Comet is a magician in Oklahoma. Oh boy, when the teacher does sex ed you'll likely have to go on a date with a guy....
Message: Posted by: Robert Apodaca (Sep 27, 2007 03:15AM)
Violent crime is at an all time low.
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Sep 27, 2007 03:59AM)
I'd say that the 60s were far more violent than today is in the US. The riots, the protests and the responses to them, the growth of gangs, the nightmare that "The Summer Of Love "turned into after three months of calm (you kids didn't know that did you? It wasn't all flowers and hugs once the users and abusers showed up, guys like Manson).

He asks what are the three reasons for violence today (telegraph your punches much there teacher? You scumbag)
1. The media. Violence can make one the star of the moment, gets you picture on TV or on line or in the paper. Violence is sexy. The media loves violence and causes it when ever possible. If notified of the attacks on 9/11 CNN wouldn't have told anyone, they would have had cameras in place to better film it.

2. The feminization of the male population. There is something in the male that can be supressed but will never be destroyed. The problem is when the boys finally have had enough they often react more violently than would be had they been treated like boys. Stop with the ADD and all the other initials people because boys are not girls no matter what you demand! I tell you, most teens I see are more like that kid on Ugly Betty than not.

3. The break down of families. There needs to be a strong male influence on children in particular boys. The 'Me Generation' don't stay married but worse than that the father is often out of the picture and that is just flat out wrong. Listen, if you are a lesbian couple and you want the kids you adopt or get ala medical science to be balanced have an uncle or grandfather or someone who is not some raging fem be part of your childs life. I don't care if a kid has two moms but there has to have that influence. If two guys have a kid (why god only knows they would want one) then make sure there is a woman in their lives, same reasoning, balance. These kids too often search out a family type situation outside the home and that too often is gangs.


There you go, give your teacher those answers.
Message: Posted by: Patrick Differ (Sep 27, 2007 04:33PM)
Great stuff!

I was going to say the same thing about the media. They have such a strong grip on society's perceptions. If they just reveal violent action after violent action, they many members of our society are going to believe that there is more violence today than there was years ago, when it simply may not be true. Violence morbidly attracts a helluva lot of viewers. Viewers attract advertisers. Advertisers bring $$$, and that's what all the media moguls want. They're capitalists.

Meanwhile, back at the farm, kids watch violent act after violent act on the boob-tube and are indoctrinated into believing that this is really how the world is. Boob-tube babysitting is one of the worst things to happen in the family unit, because no real human values, other than what the moguls want, are ever taught.

But I digress. If this were my assignment, I would ask a policeman. They're the cats that get paid to respond to violence. They would be able to give you accurate information about the area where you live. That info would sure beat the dogstuff out of a media-influenced, forced-fed source.

And good luck with your assignment.
Message: Posted by: evolve629 (Sep 27, 2007 04:58PM)
Ha, I wished Magic Café was there for me when I had questions or needed surveys for my homework! Well back then internet didn't exist..
Message: Posted by: Cody Comet (Sep 27, 2007 07:43PM)
Thanks for all the nice answers guys. There were some great answers posted recently, but a little bit too late since today in the class, I printed out rossmacree's PMed answer and turned it in. When I get it back, I'll be sure to tell you what I got on it. My only worry is that I'll have to explain to her you all aren't pedifiles since when she sees wher I got my answers from, she'll probably worry a bit.
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Sep 27, 2007 10:23PM)
You are saying she asks you to ask people over the age of 50 and then will wonder how you found people over the age of 50? Why....if my teachers were still alive I'd go smack 'em in her stead!
Message: Posted by: Cody Comet (Sep 28, 2007 01:26AM)
What I meant was that she probably expected an answer from one of my grandparents,and not a answer in the form of a printed out pm. I would have asked them,but I was short on time so I asked you all.
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Sep 28, 2007 01:44AM)
You know, if you could have gotten an answer from one of my grandparents you would have earned an A cuz they are all dead!
Message: Posted by: abc (Sep 28, 2007 04:59AM)
I am not older than 50 but the answer would be available in statistics. How many people were murdered, raped or attacked violently 50 years ago as opposed to now. Remember to use per capita or per 100 000 people figures and not just the number. How has political oppression changed.
In the past 50 years for example South Africa has become a democratic country yet violent crime is a huge problem.
50 years ago Taiwan has martial Law and thousnads of people died for example in the 228 incident but today their is the threat of a Chinese invasion.
Now everyone is concerned over Iran and North Korea's nuclear programs but just more than 50 years ago people were still experiencing the effects of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
50 Years ago Child porn was something that was traded by sick people in Photo Albums today it is available for download of the Internet.(the people are still pretty sick though)
Violence has not changed a bit. Our perception and the channels from which we hear about it has changed.
I hope your teacher has the facts to back up her/his claims in class and you should ask for the facts or where they got the info from because that is what education is all about.
I know this not what you asked for but this is my opinion and you are free to differ.
Message: Posted by: Cody Comet (Sep 29, 2007 04:16PM)
Well,I did get an A for it,so I don't need any more help,but everyone is still free to discuss/answer the question for fun.
Message: Posted by: Comet (Oct 20, 2007 03:32AM)
[quote]
On 2007-09-26 17:36, MagicSanta wrote:
One question Mr. Comet (are you related to Joe Comet?).

Nope he's not related to me LOL I was just going to ask myself if his real name was Comet or not.
So Cody is your real name Comet?
Message: Posted by: Michael Baker (Oct 20, 2007 04:04PM)
Obviously from this project and the upcoming class, there is too much sex and violence in school.
Message: Posted by: Rupert Bair (Oct 20, 2007 04:45PM)
When I was a kid the only violence was bashing a dinosaur on the noggin with a rock so we could make dinoburgers.

Three reasons for violence.

1. Josh Riel, not educating his family properly on guns.
2. Dinosaurs. Lots of people are angry they have all gone.
3. Questions.
Message: Posted by: Bill Nuvo (Oct 20, 2007 04:55PM)
Don't you know that there are plenty of over 50 magicians who'll gladly kick your *** if you steal any of their routines?
Message: Posted by: Rupert Bair (Oct 20, 2007 05:07PM)
Naaaaa. They're all pussycats.