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Topic: Put and Take Cheaters revealed
Message: Posted by: KingStardog (Nov 9, 2007 11:06AM)
This here is the game where I have the most skills of anyone I have ever seen.

I shoot controlled shots with or without a cup with fair dice and no shills. These dice in the clip are called corners or Cs but I shoot wraps a quite bit better. Wraps have the three sides of the Ps and Ts with only one side touching one other like side. People that play the game tend to believe the wrap dice are harder to shoot controlled shots and this is somewhat true but if they play all the time they will usually request the wrap thinking they are safer. Whip dice are almost always corners. It is kind of lame the way they whip em when its not needed at all,but it gives a chance for folks that never played to see it. Anyone that would play with those edges is going home broke anyways.

Thought you might like to see a real hustlers game even if its a lame expose. Generally tops are used but with dice you can get three to four turns in the same time of one spin with a top and its much faster. In a real hustle the dice are fair and so is the cup if used. The shooter does two things. He loads, and he unloads. This means you shoot the AP or all put till the pot is full. With 5 players and two of them shooters the load is much faster. The unload will usually be shot by a single shooter just like the clip. when the odds hit the 20 or so thousand mark, the run stops and the second shooter pulls the loads for a bit. One shooter at the table must watch how he loads and unloads very carefully. Its also critical to use enough different controlled shots that no one suspects the shot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csH_kFfVT20&NR=1
Message: Posted by: Pavloter (Nov 9, 2007 02:37PM)
It is quite older video. Thanks for extra info.

The only game I would ever consider to cheat with dices would be a Backgammon, well it's only dice game I play. But there not enough info for Cheating at Backgammon. There nice section on Forte's videos, but that's about it, from all I know. Dices are far smaller then average dice, so I don't know would it affect the ability to control them. We throw dices from a hand or from disposable cups. Having loaded dice wouldn't really help, as you cannot win just getting same combination over and over again. So there only hope would be to control them. Anyone up for helping in directing me, where I can get more info about it. By the way, I checked Scarne's Dice book, there section on Backgammon, but it doesn't really tells how to cheat at it.
Message: Posted by: Vandy Grift (Nov 9, 2007 02:52PM)
Holding the dice out of the cup is the play for backgammon. Or, depending on the cup, controlling the throw from the cup. There are several sources on this. Fortes vids Vol 4., Marlos "Shoot the Works". Possibly even "How to Control Fair Dice". The best thing is probably Fortes tapes. Like for all dice stuff, there is much less out there than for cards. But there is stuff in print and on video.

A couple of timely rolls during the end game is all you need to get way ahead of the game.

You could always buy this table. http://www.gamblingcollectibles.com/equipment4.html
Message: Posted by: Vandy Grift (Nov 9, 2007 03:09PM)
P&T dice are VERY cool. It depends on the people but there are some people that will go for playing with the top cause it such a fun little toy. And there are others who would never spin a top but would play with dice. P&T is a great game.
Message: Posted by: Pavloter (Nov 9, 2007 03:12PM)
Thanks, I already seen Forte's section on Backgammon, it's so far the best stuff on backgammon I got.
Well I seen this table already, but it would be impractical for me.
Message: Posted by: Vandy Grift (Nov 9, 2007 03:32PM)
I think that is probably one of the better sources because you can see how they look. And he shows a few things that you don't see in all the other places. It's nothing to hold out one cube and set it on the number you want, which can give you a distinct advantage.

Yeah, that table may be impractical for most. But it sure is nice.
Message: Posted by: Pavloter (Nov 9, 2007 03:47PM)
Its quite overpriced. I mean you pay extra for vintage stuff, but still. There must be with new technologies juiced backgammon board this days. That would be quite cool thing to have.
Message: Posted by: Vandy Grift (Nov 9, 2007 03:51PM)
Good furniture is expensive.
Message: Posted by: KingStardog (Nov 9, 2007 06:26PM)
Its the hand rubbed finish. I have several sets of different Pnt dice ranging from 5/16th to 11/16ths. They call them 'pocket casinos.' A straight game with a top can go on for hours. The numbers on each device regulate the speed of money changing hands. The highest number on most devices is 4.I prefer 5/8th or a hair larger but can control shots on all but the smaller ones.

The 14 sided P6 die is a single die game. The plastic ones are most likely to be juiced but check the aluminum ones too. The very oldest original ones were copper clad with nickel about 1920 or so vintage. Aluminum about 1950s vintage and plastic 60s,70s 80s or so.

I have seen some Tops and spinners that were 8s and 10s and one that was 12.
Message: Posted by: KingStardog (Nov 9, 2007 06:38PM)
Marlos "Shoot the Works". Possibly even "How to Control Fair Dice". Either one is enough.

If you get a top make sure its easy to read. Ladies love playing with the tops, however, Nothing brings the crowds around like the clack of the dice. Snap up the orange colored ones on ebay if any are still around. They should sell at $18 or more for that age but you sometimes find sellers that don't know any better.

The red gaffed set on page two of gamblingcollectibles is great if you play on pool tables. Get a nice padded box though cause the get beat up looking pretty fast if you don't take care of them. I sometimes sell a cheaper white set when I dig em out and list them.