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Topic: Caught in the act
Message: Posted by: cardtricksecret (Jan 4, 2008 09:58AM)
I think some basic card controls are useful if you are just trying to cheat your "non-pro" gambler friends. Just don't get caught, I was caught once cheating and holy smoke, they thought that I do cheats every time I shuffle or do the dealing of the cards, regardless of lucky days.hehehe...
Message: Posted by: sodman12 (Jan 4, 2008 11:18AM)
Hahaha.

Your done for now
Message: Posted by: Jaz (Jan 4, 2008 05:03PM)
I'm not a player but a friend of mine was stabbed to death at a 'friendly' poker game.
Add some booze and someone losing thier paycheck and anything can happen.
Message: Posted by: cardtricksecret (Jan 4, 2008 10:21PM)
Wtf! It's not a friendly game. That's why I don't cheat when there's a money at stake.hehehe...
Message: Posted by: Ben Train (Jan 4, 2008 10:40PM)
Even a game with your friends can stop being friendly when they realize you're cheating. I only play friendly games, but I was once caught doing something sneaky and was punched in the face and thrown in a pool. It took a lot of smoothing out afterwards to fix the problem.

Ben
p.s.
I was "cheating" but not at the same time- I was stacking, shifting the cut, and false dealing, but I wasn't stacking any specific cards- so that hands and cards were still random. I was just using it to test my chops... and I failed.
Message: Posted by: cardtricksecret (Jan 4, 2008 11:21PM)
They also asked me to teach them how to do "cheats" in card games or do I know any other cheats.lolz
Message: Posted by: Ron Conley (Jan 5, 2008 01:03AM)
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On 2008-01-04 23:40, BenTrain (Nordatrax) wrote:
Even a game with your friends can stop being friendly when they realize you're cheating. I only play friendly games, but I was once caught doing something sneaky and was punched in the face and thrown in a pool. It took a lot of smoothing out afterwards to fix the problem.

Ben
p.s.
I was "cheating" but not at the same time- I was stacking, shifting the cut, and false dealing, but I wasn't stacking any specific cards- so that hands and cards were still random. I was just using it to test my chops... and I failed.
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Do it for real next time Ben or don't do it at all, you wouldn't want to get killed for practicing..... now would you.
Message: Posted by: DStachowiak (Jan 5, 2008 09:43AM)
[quote]
On 2008-01-04 10:58, cardtricksecret wrote:
I think some basic card controls are useful if you are just trying to cheat your "non-pro" gambler friends. Just don't get caught, I was caught once cheating and holy smoke, they thought that I do cheats every time I shuffle or do the dealing of the cards, regardless of lucky days.hehehe...
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Wtf! It's not a friendly game. That's why I don't cheat when there's a money at stake.hehehe...
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They also asked me to teach them how to do "cheats" in card games or do I know any other cheats.lolz
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What are they, 13 years old?
Message: Posted by: MagicKim (Jan 5, 2008 09:47AM)
Hey Ben,

what did they react to?

Kim
Message: Posted by: cardtricksecret (Jan 5, 2008 10:26AM)
[quote]
On 2008-01-05 10:43, DStachowiak wrote:
[quote]
On 2008-01-04 10:58, cardtricksecret wrote:
I think some basic card controls are useful if you are just trying to cheat your "non-pro" gambler friends. Just don't get caught, I was caught once cheating and holy smoke, they thought that I do cheats every time I shuffle or do the dealing of the cards, regardless of lucky days.hehehe...
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Wtf! It's not a friendly game. That's why I don't cheat when there's a money at stake.hehehe...
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They also asked me to teach them how to do "cheats" in card games or do I know any other cheats.lolz
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What are they, 13 years old?
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lolz... Actually no, we only play card games just for fun.
Message: Posted by: Medifro (Jan 5, 2008 11:18AM)
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On 2008-01-04 18:03, Jaz wrote:
I'm not a player but a friend of mine was stabbed to death at a 'friendly' poker game.
Add some booze and someone losing thier paycheck and anything can happen.
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What the heck ..
I did hear about Mafia games, where your limbs are cut off when you go to deal, but that's too much.


~ Feras
Message: Posted by: card cheat (Jan 5, 2008 12:13PM)
I heard about a game once in which players were shot in the head, point blank, and killed before the start of the game. This was done, of course, to prevent cheating.

CC
Message: Posted by: matu (Jan 5, 2008 01:12PM)
"Prevent from cheating"... if they shoot too many of the players it could just prevent from playing.
Message: Posted by: papermechanic (Jan 5, 2008 02:23PM)
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On 2008-01-05 13:13, card cheat wrote:
I heard about a game once in which players were shot in the head, point blank, and killed before the start of the game. This was done, of course, to prevent cheating.

CC
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thank you for this CC. I am laughing so hard right now haha.
Message: Posted by: Ben Train (Jan 5, 2008 07:23PM)
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On 2008-01-05 10:47, MagicKim wrote:
Hey Ben,

what did they react to?

Kim
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I'm embarrassed to say!
Message: Posted by: card cheat (Jan 5, 2008 07:34PM)
Caught a hanger? Botched a hop?

You can tell us.

In my early days, I got picked up on for copping a cheque while pushing a pot. The guy that sniffed it out approached me during a break. He said that he "hoped he didn't see what he thought he saw." I talked my way out of it, and sat there with a knot in my stomach for the rest of the night, playing on my belly and making sure that I pushed a few more before the night was over.

What a lowbrow move... I still cringe to think that was me.

Getting heat sucks. I know few worse feelings.

CC
Message: Posted by: Mr. Z (Jan 5, 2008 08:00PM)
I'm dealing 21, ran-up a hand and am holding a break in preparation for hopping the cut after the player inserts the cut card. Well I thought everything went ok till the hand didn't show, thought oh well, must've screwed up the stack.

So I'm taking and paying the hands and see I have the 6 of spades on the bottom, thinking geez that's kind of odd. Turns out the player cut above the break and I did the hop anyways, and there's like 5-6 cards underneath the cut card on the bottom of the deck! To make it worse, the floor comes over and starts ********ting with the players, right over my shoulder. I dealt the next round and paid w/o rolling the deck, then immediately just stuck the whole deck in the rack and cleaned it up. It was hysterical.
Message: Posted by: card cheat (Jan 5, 2008 08:21PM)
Well, here we go...

I remember playing in a club, again when I was just cutting my teeth, putting work into the aces of a Gemaco plastic deck. I don't know WHAT in the world I was thinking at the time, and can only imagine that I wasn't thinking at all.

Next thing I know, I see one of the two that I had worked up land a couple of seats after mine. I bet it wasn't there for 15 seconds before someone said something about it. The worst part of it was when they noticed another card with the same "symptoms" sitting in the stub.

It's a good thing it was an old deck. Looking back on it, I laugh my ass off. I don't know why in the world I would have put down work like that. I would give anything to go back in time as a fly on the wall and watch me from that angle. I can vividly remember, when I saw that card on the table, feeling as though I had been kicked sharply in my taint.

Now that I think about it, there was no need for me to screw with those cards. They were old enough that they had a few wear and tear marks on them anyway. Live and learn, I guess.

CC
Message: Posted by: Ben Train (Jan 5, 2008 08:35PM)
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On 2008-01-05 20:34, card cheat wrote:
Caught a hanger? Botched a hop?

You can tell us.

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Alright... but it's bad.

I used a pick up stack to position a set on top, then stacked them for myself. Deck is cut and I remind everyone to ante. As this happens I shift the deck... and finish it with a dribble.

I was pretty drunk, and rather then doing a normal hop I had executed a dribble shift without thinking. Everyone looked at me, and I dribbled again, as if it was nothing, and asked if everyone had anted. Someone asked me what I was doing, and next thing I knew the **** had hit the fan.

I've had other instances, but that one stands out in my mind because it is the only time I was punched in the face, and the only time I was thrown in a pool.

Ben
p.s.
Mr. Conley... I was cheating. I just didn't want to admit it on a public forum. Oh well- this is the cheaters section isn't it?
Message: Posted by: MagicKim (Jan 5, 2008 10:05PM)
I am just glad to be able to learn from your mistakes, so that, I too don't have to learn those lessons the hard way. I will probably make worse mistakes though and when I do, and if I live to tell about it, you will probably hear me talking about them here too.

take care everybody.

Kim
Message: Posted by: Clock (Jan 5, 2008 10:36PM)
One time I kicked in a cooler and I accidently switched in a jumbo deck. I almost got away with it, but someone noticed the deck was a little bit colder.

:(
Message: Posted by: card cheat (Jan 5, 2008 10:45PM)
[quote]
On 2008-01-05 21:35, BenTrain (Nordatrax) wrote:
As this happens I shift the deck... and finish it with a dribble.

...I had executed a dribble shift without thinking.

...and I dribbled again, as if it was nothing, and asked if everyone had anted.
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Until this very second, I always thought that dribbling was something that one did only with a basketball.

What is a dribble shift?

CC
Message: Posted by: Ben Train (Jan 5, 2008 11:07PM)
A dribble shift, although technically describing a cover for virtually any shift, usually describes a modified classic/two handed shift which uses a dribble (hold the deck from above about 5 or so inches above the left hand. The thumb release pressure which causes the cards to drop one at a time in quick succession into the left hand- this is a dribble) as cover.

This is a very nice shift for magical purposes, where a little bit of flash is allowed, but obviously not a great shift at the card table.
Message: Posted by: card cheat (Jan 5, 2008 11:19PM)
Ahaaaa.... I see.

I think that I found a clip of this on YouTube:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=HNFHmRRlnwI

Funny thing, though. I visited the above mentioned site and searched for "dribble shift" and only found one card-related video. I forgot that magicians call this a "pass."

I gotta say that the guy in this clip does it nicely. At least from the angle that the video was shot from. I never messed around very much at all with the classic shift. But enjoy seeing the move done well.

Thanks for sharing your stories, guys. And here I thought that this thread was never going to have any value or purpose.... Shame on me.

CC
Message: Posted by: Medifro (Jan 6, 2008 12:45AM)
@ card cheat,
You might want to see MagicKam excuting the dribble pass.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=5XPw-K5kK-Q&feature=related

Best angle for this pass is on the left. Even a beginner will pull it off nicely from that angle.

Great stories. Makes me admire the bravery of the cheats, haha. And some magicians are actually living in fear of being cought by their audience. That would cost them a tiny bit if their reputation, not their life. :P

~ Feras
Message: Posted by: ghostpianist (Jan 6, 2008 10:23AM)
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I was pretty drunk, and rather then doing a normal hop I had executed a dribble shift without thinking. Everyone looked at me, and I dribbled again, as if it was nothing, and asked if everyone had anted. Someone asked me what I was doing, and next thing I knew the **** had hit the fan.

I've had other instances, but that one stands out in my mind because it is the only time I was punched in the face, and the only time I was thrown in a pool.

Ben
p.s.
Mr. Conley... I was cheating. I just didn't want to admit it on a public forum. Oh well- this is the cheaters section isn't it?
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Now there, guess one of the keys for successful cheating is to always remain sober; unless you know others are more drunk than you.

Thanks for sharing guys, though it gets me on my nerves when reading ..