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Topic: Johnny Ace Palmer-A Real Pro
Message: Posted by: Review King (Feb 2, 2008 01:55PM)
He does his act for a high school. Watch (and listen) all the way through. He's got a smart*** kid making comments through the cups and balls, but Johnny keeps his cool and smokes them with the final loads.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=u6wzb7amY78
Message: Posted by: vpatanio (Feb 2, 2008 03:55PM)
I thought his show was excellent, the wiseguy making comments didn't phase him one bit. A valuable lesson on dealing with annoying big mouths.

Cool video!

-Vinny
Message: Posted by: djkuttdecks (Feb 2, 2008 04:05PM)
That really made my day, thanks
Message: Posted by: magicorik (Feb 3, 2008 01:00PM)
He is a [b]great performer!![/b] A true Professional....
Message: Posted by: Magikrn (Feb 3, 2008 01:38PM)
That was fantastic!!!
Message: Posted by: Miikka (Feb 3, 2008 02:36PM)
Brilliant! I really liked his bottle production.
Message: Posted by: scottjenkins (Feb 3, 2008 02:52PM)
This was great! Thanks for putting it up!
Message: Posted by: davidpaul$ (Feb 3, 2008 03:36PM)
Fantastic video !
A true professional. There seems to always be that one person in a show
that has to display their low self esteem tendencies. I wonder if they know
how foolish they look and are.

Thanks for posting this video!
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Feb 3, 2008 03:50PM)
They don't know, but their friends usually tell them later.

Johnny and I are not related, but I'm proud to have the same last name he has.

He's a real gentleman and one of the best magicians around.
Message: Posted by: Blondin (Feb 3, 2008 03:59PM)
A great performer but I for one am not comfortable with the use of live animals as final loads. Does it really add to the effect?
Message: Posted by: davidpaul$ (Feb 3, 2008 04:23PM)
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On 2008-02-03 16:59, Blondin wrote:
A great performer but I for one am not comfortable with the use of live animals as final loads. Does it really add to the effect?
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I thought it most definitely did! Especially with the appearance of the
second dove. ( did you hear the reactions?) I just got back from Vegas and saw Lance Burton perform. There was no doubt about it, the reactions of those in the audience , when Lance performed using the doves, was nothing short of amazement.
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Feb 3, 2008 06:05PM)
I don't like chicks as a final load either.

I didn't think the kid was that bad, I'm not sure if he was closer to the camera and that is why he was being picked up or if he was just loud. I've done shows, as has everyone who does work for teens, that had a kid do commentary during the performance. The kid sounded amazed for the most part except for his 'I saw that sir'. I do admit I have hearing loss so I may have missed a comment or two
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Feb 3, 2008 07:35PM)
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On 2008-02-03 16:59, Blondin wrote:
A great performer but I for one am not comfortable with the use of live animals as final loads. Does it really add to the effect?
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Yes, it does. As I have reported here [b]many, many[/b] times, Johnny [b]never[/b] hurts the chicks. I've gone with him to purchase the chicks. He goes to a feed store, buys the chicks he needs for the engagement. When he is through using them or when they get too big to use any more, he returns them. The feed store can still sell them to farmers to raise as produce or to lay eggs.

He does not abuse them. He never breaks their legs or does anything like that to them. He treats them with respect. Well, except for the bit with the Fried Chicken box. But everyone knows he is joking with that.

It works for him. It has worked for him for more than 20 years.

If working with live animals doesn't work for you, then don't use them.

But you have absolutely no grounds to criticize Johnny for using them in his act.
Message: Posted by: TheAmbitiousCard (Feb 3, 2008 10:35PM)
I would say those kids are pretty typical. They act young and immature because that is exactly what they are by definition. No harm done.
Message: Posted by: scottjenkins (Feb 3, 2008 10:47PM)
Is there a reason that people break chick's legs -- I mean besides pure accident? What would be the purpose? I can't think of any reason why any person would ever want to do that.
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Feb 3, 2008 11:16PM)
There's no reason for him to break one. If you watch how he handles the cups, you will see that he doesn't slam them down on the table. If he did, he might break a leg. But he just doesn't do it.

I don't think Ross Bertram ever broke any of their legs, either. It was in his technique. You cradle the chick in your hand when you load it.

Galli-Galli was the guy who was guilty of injuring the chicks. He broke their legs quite frequently, and he disposed of them via the toilet. He was booted out of the Rice Hotel in Houston in 1957 for stopping up the plumbing with baby chicks.
Message: Posted by: Blondin (Feb 4, 2008 02:09AM)
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On 2008-02-03 20:35, Bill Palmer wrote:
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On 2008-02-03 16:59, Blondin wrote:
A great performer but I for one am not comfortable with the use of live animals as final loads. Does it really add to the effect?
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Yes, it does. As I have reported here [b]many, many[/b] times, Johnny [b]never[/b] hurts the chicks. I've gone with him to purchase the chicks. He goes to a feed store, buys the chicks he needs for the engagement. When he is through using them or when they get too big to use any more, he returns them. The feed store can still sell them to farmers to raise as produce or to lay eggs.

He does not abuse them. He never breaks their legs or does anything like that to them. He treats them with respect. Well, except for the bit with the Fried Chicken box. But everyone knows he is joking with that.

It works for him. It has worked for him for more than 20 years.

If working with live animals doesn't work for you, then don't use them.

But you have absolutely no grounds to criticize Johnny for using them in his act.
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Bill,

I did not criticize Johnny, indeed quite the contrary, and I certainly did not suggest that he abused the chicks in any way. I simply expressed my opinion and feelings about the use of chicks as a C&B final load. Your opinion, which I respect, is different!

Geoff
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Feb 4, 2008 02:29AM)
Gali Gali is who I was thinking of. Here is a question, when I play which chicks, and I do, they run around like lil' lunatics, why did his chicks sit there? I'm thinking double sided tape!
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Feb 4, 2008 03:44AM)
Johnny keeps the chicks in the dark. I think that has a lot to do with it.

He has a gag that he does from time to time if two of them are active and the third isn't. I'll PM it to you.

Regarding the use of live animals in magic acts -- I used to do a production of a live rabbit from a hat. The rabbit was basically part of the family. He had the run of the house, he was housebroken, and he and the dog used to play together like a couple of kids. However, I developed an allergy to rabbits, and had to quit using him. I took him out only on special occasions (translation -- when the client would pay double for me to produce the rabbit!) I have seen performers who abuse their animals and treat them like props. I don't like that at all.

One friend of mine who worked for S&R, came to the Laff Stop one night when I was doing the warm-up show in the lounge. After the crowd went into the showroom, he brought his rabbit in and let him explore the riser where I worked. I sat down on the edge of the riser, and the rabbit came over and lay down next to me. There is a spot on the back of a rabbit's neck, right below the skull, where they really like to be petted. I did that to him, and he basically melted into a puddle on the stage.

My friend said, "He really likes that!" I asked him if he ever simply played with his rabbit. He said he didn't. So we had a discussion about the concept of livestock being more than just a prop. I told him that his rabbit wanted to be his friend as well as a prop. He began to handle his animals differently after that.

People who do bird acts, if they really know what they are doing, have and show great affection to their charges. A dove may not be the smartest creature on the planet, but if you work with him or her properly, it becomes more than just a flying toy.

If you are not ready to make a committment to taking care of an animal, you shouldn't use it in your act. The main reason that Johnny keeps a fairly fresh supply of chicks is that they do grow fairly quickly. A group of chicks will get fairly large in a week. So he has to replace them often. When he travels, this becomes part of his routine. We discussed this at length about 1985, when he worked at Magic Island.

There is, at present, a trend away from the use of live animals in shows, especially in the UK. I understand the reasoning behind it, but I think that in many cases, it is not based upon fact, but upon emotion.

This said, if you don't like the use of live animals in shows, don't use them. It's a fairly simple choice to make.
Message: Posted by: yin_howe (Feb 4, 2008 04:14AM)
Very very valuable advice there Bill. Thanks for sharing
Message: Posted by: scottjenkins (Feb 4, 2008 10:29AM)
Thanks Bill!
Message: Posted by: tedski (Feb 4, 2008 04:47PM)
Wow.....my high school graduation party stunk in comparison.

I guess this event was accomplished by a fundraiser, or that is a very affluent school district :)
Message: Posted by: lint (Feb 4, 2008 05:25PM)
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On 2008-02-03 23:47, scottjenkins wrote:
Is there a reason that people break chick's legs -- I mean besides pure accident? What would be the purpose? I can't think of any reason why any person would ever want to do that.
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In the video, you'll notice one of the chicks legs/feet gets stuck between the cup, the table and the mat. I am guessing this is how legs get broken. I am sure Johnny Palmer uses utmost care and I am sure the chick was fine, but you can see from the video anyone can make a mistake.

I like the use of chicks and bunnies for final loads...if you decide to go that route just be sure to put on your kid gloves. :)

-todd
Message: Posted by: Mobius303 (Feb 4, 2008 05:53PM)
Johnny has been performing this routine for at least 38 years now so what your seeing shine through is his vast experience.
He is not so expensive that they couldn't have been able to afford him. I am sure it is well worth having that type of show to keep the kids safe, in one place and enetertained and out of trouble.
I have several friends that do these shows during prom time and the going rate is usually about $250 per hour and they do a 2-3 hour show. I did one for my local high school about 10yrs ago....they are a blast but not for the new performer for sure. Lot's of grabbing of props and hecklers at those types of shows.
Mobius
Message: Posted by: jholland (Jun 1, 2008 01:30PM)
The video link is to a slightly shorter performance of Johnny's performance at the Magic Castle a few months back. Both the chicks and the doves were the highlight of the performance and Johnny was, in my opinion, one of the best so far this year in the close up room. He is also a class act and a really nice person to meet.
Message: Posted by: Glenn Godsey (Jun 1, 2008 11:06PM)
Yes, it is nice to see someone who looks like a magician, dresses like a magician, acts like a magician, has the requisite skills of a magician, and doesn't seem to have any interest in showing off his abdominal muscles.

Seeing Johnny made me feel better about my life-long avocation after some of the magic scene embarrassments of recent years.

Best regards,
Glenn Godsey
Message: Posted by: inidyls (Jun 3, 2008 05:25PM)
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On 2008-02-02 14:55, Christopher Kavanagh wrote:
He does his act for a high school. Watch (and listen) all the way through. He's got a smart*** kid making comments through the cups and balls, but Johnny keeps his cool and smokes them with the final loads.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=u6wzb7amY78
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What is wrong with this kids comments?
Trust me.... Johnny performed for way worse people than this. There is no doubt of the talent Johnny has.

JV.
Message: Posted by: bigtyme (Jul 16, 2008 02:42PM)
Johnny Ace Palmer is single-handedly the nicest person in magic. He's so nice you find yourself choosing words that are unoffensive in your head before you speak. I've had the good fortune of getting to hang with him for a week a number of years back at a magician youth camp. His skill as a magician is only surpassed by his generosity as a person. His cups and chicks are the tip of the iceberg when it comes to Johnny. He's one of those magicians where everything looks better in his hands (Troy Hooser is another). If you ever get the privilege to meet him you'll see I didn't exaggerate. As Mike Caveney spoke of Guy Hollingworth, Johnny is the same. Magic needs Johnny far more than Johnny needs magic.
Message: Posted by: Jethro Magic (Jul 19, 2008 11:56PM)
Johnny is a great guy!
Message: Posted by: John Gerard (Jul 20, 2008 02:20PM)
I have his trinity DVD, and in my opinion his dvd seemed to lack something. This clip showed what it was -- an audience to really showcase his charm and sincerity. Fantastic performance!
Message: Posted by: zifferinolpm (Sep 5, 2008 11:05PM)
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On 2008-02-03 16:59, Blondin wrote:
A great performer but I for one am not comfortable with the use of live animals as final loads. Does it really add to the effect?
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Earlier in his career, Johnny used tennis balls instead of chicks as his final load. If he loaded the chicks the way he loaded those tennis balls the chicks would have had an terrible headache! Fortunately, Johnny came up with a new way to make his final load which gave him the opportunity to load those chicks and, yes, it really does add to the effect.
Message: Posted by: CamisBoss (Sep 6, 2008 02:10AM)
I can't say enough nice things about Johnny. I had the privilege of meeting him in a magic shop where I worked last summer, and he was great! He is incredibly polite and friendly, he even let me take a picture with him! (I know, it's lame) But after meeting him, my respect for him has increased ten-fold.
Message: Posted by: critter (Sep 6, 2008 02:27PM)
That's a bummer about Gali-Gali. I always liked his routine, but I can't tolerate that type of animal cruelty.

Man Bill, I appreciate your knowledge but sometimes you bum me out ;)
Message: Posted by: rorythegreat (Sep 27, 2008 03:05PM)
I just saw Johnny in the close-up room at the Magic Castle. It was my first time seeing him live and all I have to say is WOW. He is a very funny guy and his magic is fantastic.
Message: Posted by: TKO MAGIC (Oct 4, 2008 08:17PM)
He's definately a class act, no doubt about that
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Oct 4, 2008 09:40PM)
Critter: Don't let the truth about Gali-Gali bum you out. He was an immoral artist. There are a lot of people like that. He was basically a street worker who clawed his way to the top during a risky economic period. Sometime you should read John Scarne's account of his contest with Gali-Gali.