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Topic: Cards Across Stage
Message: Posted by: INMOTION (Feb 10, 2008 12:09PM)
Hello to all... I did research the other discussions on cards across, however I found there to be a lot of different oppinions and often the thread got off track.
What I am looking for is the "BEST NO PALM / STAGE" version of cards across. I have been working with palming cards for two years now, however I do not have confindence in palming cards. I have know doubt the best cards across routines involve palming, as I have several DVD's with methods involving palming. I want to put this effect into a comedy stage setting, where I can focus on the presentation, and not worry about palming cards. Would prefer using regular cards, however not against gaffed cards. Could someone please lead me in the right direction. Thanks!
Message: Posted by: warren (Feb 11, 2008 04:07AM)
If you look at the preview for cards across by the worlds greatest magicians micheal Ammar has a nice version with envolopes that I think is none palming.
you could also get bob whites lecture notes called its a matter of style for another none palming method.
Message: Posted by: Kex (Feb 11, 2008 11:37AM)
The Card Expert Entertains by Fitzkee also has one with envelopes... very basic. Also some other similar ideas in there with cards and envelopes if I recall correctly.
Message: Posted by: INMOTION (Feb 11, 2008 12:00PM)
I have the Michael Ammar version, and similar to palming, I wasn't real keen on the switch that was done in Ammar's version...
Message: Posted by: qkeli (Feb 11, 2008 03:04PM)
Although there's palming, Shimshi's the way to follow!!
Message: Posted by: INMOTION (Feb 19, 2008 09:17AM)
Maybe I should rephrase my question... Looking for a no palm version of cards across that I could perform in a stand up situation, not a table. Can be regular or jumbo cards. I recently purchased Double Crossed by Daryl/Fooler Doolers. It is a no palm using 20 cards, spectators each think of a card from the second set of 10 cards, and the two thought of cards travel across. Very nice and easy cards across effect, are there any others?
Message: Posted by: warren (Feb 21, 2008 03:46PM)
You could try brainless travellers by james brown or the thought of cards across project by christopher williams which all provide impromptu versions of the double crossed effect by daryl.
Message: Posted by: MrBob102 (Feb 26, 2008 10:03PM)
I have a version I like and use. It's from Bruce Kalver and he calls it "Cards Across". No palming required. 12 cards in each stack, 3 cards selected at random from the audience, cards appear in the opposite stack in side the envelope. http://www.tophatprod.com/magic
Message: Posted by: INMOTION (Feb 27, 2008 12:47PM)
MrBob102,
Thanks to a kind member here on the forum, I came across the Zens' Cards & Envelope routine, which can be easily adapted to jumbo cards. Based on your desciption of the Bruce Kalver routine, they sound almost identical, except the Zen's Cards Across uses 15 cards... Are there differences in the effects?
Message: Posted by: mrunge (Feb 28, 2008 10:05AM)
Here is a direct link to Bruce's effect. Hope it helps.

https://manatee.site-secure.net/tophatprod/magic/magicshop/p833.html

Mark.
Message: Posted by: Alan Munro (May 21, 2008 05:22AM)
I like the McCombical Cards Across. It uses two packets of cards with contrasting backs, so you can tell that the cards have moved, easily.
Message: Posted by: BarryFernelius (May 21, 2008 08:44AM)
If you aren't into palming, gaffs are the way to go if you want a clean effect. Here are a few that might work for you:

Simon Aronson's Red Sea Passover (marketed item)
Dan Harlan's Red Rover (marketed item)
Brother John Hammon's Thought Cards Across (Book: The Secrets of Brother John Hammon)
David Devant's The Triangle (Book: Our Magic)
Message: Posted by: Mick Ayres (May 22, 2008 08:23PM)
"Zen's Ultimate Cards Across" can be found in J.G. Thompson's "MY BEST". It has helped me pay plenty of bills. In my opinion, Zen's method seriously trumps ANYTHING on L&L's WGM Cards Across DVD. No sleight of hand, no palming, no gaffs, lots of audience participation and it can be done just as easily with jumbo cards for stage performances if you wish.

A spectator gets three other spectators to select cards and then return them to the packet. These turn out to be the three cards that travel across the room. As far as the audience is concerned, you NEVER touch the cards. How much more could anyone want? I close my shows with this frequently.

It pays to read the classics, fellas.

Best,
Mick Ayres
Message: Posted by: Glenn Morphew (Sep 26, 2008 05:46AM)
On Bob Sheets' "Hang em High" dvd you not only learn a great rope through body effect, he teaches a very nice version of cards across that meets your criteria. A big bonus is you get to see Bob perform these pieces on stage in front of a live audience.
Message: Posted by: Andrew H. (Sep 26, 2008 12:49PM)
Zen Cards across...Uses JUMBO cards and has a killer ending. My personal favorit.
Message: Posted by: Paul (Nov 29, 2008 09:43AM)
Also the book "Across The Void" details many methods for the effects (and different presentations) and explains why 15 cards were used (which is not necessary these days and just lengthens the trick). Anybody performing or wishing to perform a version of this effect will find the book worthwhile reading.

Coincidentaly, I do have a few copies left :)

Paul.
Message: Posted by: magicbern (Nov 29, 2008 02:28PM)
The one I've always used is Mark Leveridge's 1-2-3 Jumbo Cards Across - it's simple in working, sleight-free and gaffed. It but uses envelopes, Jumbo cards and has lots of audience participation.
http://www.markleveridge.co.uk/shopbask/products/jca.html
It plays great on stage and works for both kids and adults.
Message: Posted by: Uli Weigel (Dec 1, 2008 05:07AM)
"Across The Void" by Paul Hallas is indeed an excellent resource if you're interested in the Cards Across effect.
Message: Posted by: Jess Cone (Dec 25, 2008 08:02PM)
Hi Inmotion, See if you can track down Larry Jenning's handling of this plot in which the cards to travel are added very cleverly to the other packet in the action of the spectators counting the cards into the performers hand. I've been using this method for many years, always plays well and is performed standing. It can be done on a stage for larger groups though I'd recommend using the larger Anglo Playing cards put out by El Duco in this setting. Perhaps someone here in the Café can guide you to the Jenning's source of this move/routine. Jess
Message: Posted by: Jess Cone (Dec 25, 2008 08:02PM)
Hi Inmotion, See if you can track down Larry Jenning's handling of this plot in which the cards to travel are added very cleverly to the other packet in the action of the spectators counting the cards into the performers hand. I've been using this method for many years, always plays well and is performed standing. It can be done on a stage for larger groups though I'd recommend using the larger Anglo Playing cards put out by El Duco in this setting. Perhaps someone here in the Café can guide you to the Jenning's source of this move/routine. Jess
Message: Posted by: Roland (Jan 2, 2009 04:24PM)
Steinmeyer has another version (using envelopes) in Device and Illusion. It uses a ribbon that can be held between the two spectators that can make a nice visual.

Roland
http://www.DanceOfIllusion.com
Message: Posted by: korttihai_82 (Jan 2, 2009 08:43PM)
[quote]
On 2008-09-26 06:46, Glenn Morphew wrote:
On Bob Sheets' "Hang em High" dvd you not only learn a great rope through body effect, he teaches a very nice version of cards across that meets your criteria. A big bonus is you get to see Bob perform these pieces on stage in front of a live audience.
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I agree. I actually used this few times in the past. Other good option in my mind would be Daryls gimmicked one
Message: Posted by: Logan Five (Jan 25, 2009 12:03AM)
I like Micheal Ammar's version of his cards across..it's perfect for stage work.
Message: Posted by: Christo (Jan 25, 2009 10:51AM)
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the Juan Tamariz method....

Its a gaffed version, but it involves two mearly "thought of cards" travelling. Can be found on Juan Tamariz "Lessons in Magic" Volume 1

Chris
Message: Posted by: bwarren3 (Jan 25, 2009 09:28PM)
Bruce Kalver and Bob Sheets versions are funny, easy to do and both are real killer effects for lay audiences....
I highly recommend both versions as mentioned above..
Bill
Message: Posted by: liampower (Apr 12, 2009 06:18PM)
[quote]
On 2009-01-25 11:51, Christo wrote:
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the Juan Tamariz method....

Its a gaffed version, but it involves two mearly "thought of cards" travelling. Can be found on Juan Tamariz "Lessons in Magic" Volume 1

Chris
[/quote]

but you need a table for that and the question was for no table. but this is a really magical routine
Message: Posted by: mentalguy (Jun 17, 2009 10:17AM)
Tannen's Card Leap, while I feel like it could be a great effect, comes with the WORST directions I have EVER read. I am spending hours deciphering what the instructions mean. When the instructions say "right" they really mean "left," when they talk about adding cards to the other hand they do not explain how, and the "photo of the set-up" is completely useless.

Worst of all, the salesperson (Dave) suggested that I buy Card Leap over Strange Travelers because it was clearer to understand! Talk about HORRIBLE customer service!

Not that typos are new in magic instructions, but Tannen's has taken it to an entirely new level.
Message: Posted by: the fritz (Jun 17, 2009 07:43PM)
INMOTION,

If you want a no-palm cards across with mentally selected cards (as in three spectators really only THINK of a card they see in a group of ten) that is perfect for stage or parlor performance with regular or jumbo cards, then the one to look for is in a book entitled "Card Tricks for Beginners" by Harry Baron. This is an old, long out-of-print book but you can find it in many local libraries. It's the type of book you checked out over and over as a kid, but it has some professional caliber effects in it. I believe it has been published by many different publishers in paperback form and can be found very inexpensively online.

I'll never forget when I first read this method. It uses regular playing cards and regular envelopes and is as clean as you can get. There is no palming and the method is virtually self-working. I believe if you give this a try you will likely not use anything else.
Message: Posted by: wally (Jul 9, 2010 05:47AM)
Zen's Ultimate Cards Across", where to buy. info wanted. thanks
Message: Posted by: wally (Jul 9, 2010 07:34AM)
Does anyone know where I can buy the Paul hallas cards across here in UK.
Message: Posted by: Vlad_77 (Jul 9, 2010 08:20AM)
Mick Ayres is da MAN when he speaks of the importance of the classics.

There is a beauty in The Jinx called "King's Kards" that would work beautifully! No palming, and is the progentor of some of the effects mentioned here.

Ahimsa,
Vlad
Message: Posted by: liampower (Jul 12, 2010 12:44AM)
[quote]
On 2010-07-09 06:47, wally wrote:
Zen's Ultimate Cards Across", where to buy. info wanted. thanks
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its in My Best by J.G.Thompson
Message: Posted by: Spellbinder (Jul 20, 2011 07:19PM)
Several versions of Cards Across are included in my "Cards Across Variations" found in my Mini-Mysteries Section, Book 3, of my site. It includs Michel Zen's Cards and Envelopes and my own variation of that effect, plus many others. No palming, and any sleights are very simple to do. You can also see Wiz Kid Qua-Fiki performing my version of Cards in Sealed Envelopes in a video demonstration on my site. This version is suitable for stage presentations and may be presented with jumbo cards and envelopes if you wish.
Message: Posted by: magicjluc (Dec 1, 2019 01:55PM)
Paul Daniels version is the best in my opinion. You can find it in Bravura videos. :bikes: :xmas:
Message: Posted by: Deej1 (Jan 15, 2020 07:27PM)
If people are still finding this thread useful, then check out the Dave Loosley effect Ultimate No-Palm Cards Across; https://www.daveloosleymagic.co.uk/shop - no palming, no envelopes. Mr. Loosely is a very charming and funny performer. His handling of this material, as seen in a recent lecture, can play for several minutes. It looks clean as a whistle, packs small, plays huge and weighs next to nothing. I loathe the word ULTIMATE in marketing but in this instance, I personally would look no further for a no-palm cards across.
Message: Posted by: Jxb1989 (Feb 5, 2020 06:45PM)
Andrew normansell’s on his dvd commercial comedy magic. It’s great.
Message: Posted by: Gennovense (May 27, 2020 05:26AM)
Larry Hass, Penguin Live Lecture.
Message: Posted by: warren (Jun 1, 2020 05:06PM)
[quote]On Jan 15, 2020, Deej1 wrote:
If people are still finding this thread useful, then check out the Dave Loosley effect Ultimate No-Palm Cards Across; https://www.daveloosleymagic.co.uk/shop - no palming, no envelopes. Mr. Loosely is a very charming and funny performer. His handling of this material, as seen in a recent lecture, can play for several minutes. It looks clean as a whistle, packs small, plays huge and weighs next to nothing. I loathe the word ULTIMATE in marketing but in this instance, I personally would look no further for a no-palm cards across. [/quote]

Does Dave's version use gimmicks and if so do you at least end clean ?
Message: Posted by: ejohn (Jun 1, 2020 07:33PM)
His website says hand made gaffs.
Message: Posted by: warren (Jun 2, 2020 02:45AM)
[quote]On Jun 1, 2020, ejohn wrote:
His website says hand made gaffs. [/quote]

I'm not a big fan of gaffs but it does sound interesting.