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Topic: Best Rope Routine for the Street
Message: Posted by: fireperformer911 (Feb 21, 2008 08:37AM)
What is the Best Rope Routine for the Street and best source to learn it?


Thanks in advance
Message: Posted by: BSutter (Feb 21, 2008 08:43AM)
The one you design and perfect.
I would suggest you pick up a copy of "Abbots Encyclopedia of Rope Magic" for a start.

Bill
Message: Posted by: ShawnB (Feb 21, 2008 09:16AM)
I use Richard Sanders orginal fiber optics routine...
However he does have a new extended version out..

I get gasps on the street with this routine.. People just seem to love it.

You can pick up the DVD pretty frequently on the Tricks for Sale and Trade Section here on the Café... For a good price.. I think there are a couple up for grabs now.

Good luck.

Shawn.
Message: Posted by: marty.sasaki (Feb 21, 2008 09:48AM)
Whit Haydn's Mongolian Pop knot is a fun routine. It plays well and Whit did it on the street for years. It's easy to make small changes to match your personality.

I've gotten gasps at parts of the routine, and folks refer back to certain lines after the performance is through.
Message: Posted by: Harry Murphy (Feb 21, 2008 10:06AM)
A couple of things I can think of that are very visual, angle proof, fun, instantly repeatable, and of course magical.

The first is Pat Page’s “Eternal Rope”. You cut and restore a rope. Two pieces are seen, knotted together and instantly restored to a single length of rope hanging down from the fingertips of one hand. I do it again and again walking the edge (and trying to build an edge).

The second is a great routine that is basically the old Hunter knot (the one that can’t be tied unless you know the secret move). I hand out lengths of rope to passer by’s and have them try to tie the knot in the rope without letting go. It builds a crowd, is easy, fun, involves a number of people, and is a bit magical. I end it with me taking the ends of one persons rope (which ties the knot) showing everyone that this gal/guy got it! It ends the routine on a positive note.

both are angle proof, both are more about presentation than real finger flinging skill, and best of all neither consume any rope! You end with what you started with.
Message: Posted by: TheAmbitiousCard (Feb 21, 2008 11:00AM)
I can't see how the mongo knot would work on the street becuase it's not repeatable.

I simply use the professor's nightmare. It's great for getting "3 volunteers".
Message: Posted by: jimmy talksalot (Feb 21, 2008 12:55PM)
The one you design and perfect.

try also tarbel and hugards magic manual and columbini
Message: Posted by: johnnymystic (Feb 21, 2008 07:05PM)
Any tricks that require NO actual cutting of the rope is what is ideal for the street worker, instant reset is nice and it's best to come up with your own material taking from the sources already mentioned.

Me, I'm copying Jimmy Talksalot so what the F**k do I know?

*wink*
Message: Posted by: marty.sasaki (Feb 24, 2008 09:44PM)
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On 2008-02-21 12:00, Frank Starsini wrote:
I can't see how the mongo knot would work on the street becuase it's not repeatable.

I simply use the professor's nightmare. It's great for getting "3 volunteers".
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Perhaps Whit can comment on this. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I thought that I read, or heard on one of the videos that he used the pop knot on the street.
Message: Posted by: DoctorCognos (Feb 24, 2008 10:45PM)
I use a stiff rope.... and never have to worry about running out of rope.. ;)

But I created a fun, lively routine for the rope that works great and folks relate to it and enjoy it. I did it at one of our local club meetings, and heard form a couple of guys, "Finally a routine for the stiff rope that makes sense!"

But when I get bored doing the stiff rope (I just can't repeat anything over and over again without some kinda change to it... And except for minor tweaks, this routine works great for me, so I won't change it a lot..) I do professor's nightmare.

I tried a number of different cut and restored rope routines including the mongolian Pop knot and by the time I worked out a routine that fit my style, I got tired of carrying all the rope to do the c/r routine over and over again...

I guess that I am just too lazy to do it. But for me, the less effort I put out on things that don't matter, the more effort I can put into things that do matter; like perfroming.

The Doctor
Message: Posted by: TheAmbitiousCard (Feb 24, 2008 11:49PM)
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On 2008-02-24 23:45, DoctorCognos wrote:
I use a stiff rope.... and never have to worry about running out of rope.. ;)

But I created a fun, lively routine for the rope that works great and folks relate to it and enjoy it.
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All I can say is congratulations. That's more work than most people put into creativity. It's a lot of work. All day I've been trying to craft ONE additional line for my rope routine. I'm still not there.
Message: Posted by: MagiCol (Apr 25, 2008 06:37AM)
At the end of the standard Cut and Restored Rope once the rope has been wrapped/coiled around my left hand hand [prior to unwinding it to show the knot has gone], I approach a child and have the child work magic on the rope by blowing on it. [I don't say just what magic at this stage] Then I give the outer [lastly wound on] end of the rope to the child to hold and I step back slowly from him and uncoil the rope. The rope that was cut is once again a complete rope with no knot joining the two bits. Magic has taken place!
Message: Posted by: Mark Rough (Apr 25, 2008 07:40AM)
Look around for a Hunter's Puzzle Knot routine. I carry 5 4' sections of rope. . . 1 for myself, 4 for volunteers. A lot of folks say it's not magical, but it can be. It's up to you. It can be very engaging to an audience. It's also very good for keep your problem audience member really busy and out of your hair. And you can play for as long as you want it to go.

I think Tim Hyde has written up a good version.
Message: Posted by: jimmy talksalot (Apr 25, 2008 10:05AM)
I've got a routine comming out in my product line at;

jimmytalksalot.com

you'll need to sign up
Message: Posted by: fireperformer911 (Apr 25, 2008 03:04PM)
Jimmy I did sign up and am looking forward to the book. I did learn Peter Wardell routine (not his he gives proper credit) from Crowd Puller DVD's


Thanks
Message: Posted by: dmoses (May 21, 2008 05:10PM)
I love david williamson's ring and rope.
but I think it's the 'david williamson' part that I like so much.
Message: Posted by: Jeff Dial (May 21, 2008 11:51PM)
Not sure the Mongolian Pop Knot is disqualified for the street because it doesn't reset. It is, of course, disposable requiring replenishing. You just have to decide if going through 8-10 feet of rope per performance is worth it. For me, I think it is. I haven’t yet discovered the routine that fits me and resets.

There are other cut and restored routines that would work as well. As well as many non-cut routines.

As always your personality and character will help you find the fit.
Message: Posted by: TheAmbitiousCard (May 22, 2008 02:05AM)
Jeff, have you seen the routine? It does NOT use 8-10 feet of rope. It uses a lot of rope. You could use less but that's not how it was designed. The only way I would use it (or my own routine) on the street would be if I wanted to do it over and over and over to perfect it. Or perhaps if you could use the leftovers for a different routine.

Even if it were only 10 feet of rope per use, a street magician is probably going to do it 10 times a day. 100 feet of rope per day is a lot to spend money on and carry around.

Perhaps whit will let us know here one day.
Message: Posted by: FunTimeAl (May 22, 2008 10:42AM)
I love doing my rope routine that's the middle of my show...but I HATE the ending...it shows the gaff...and that just doesn't sit well with me.

I've altered the ending, but then I've got the "look the knot disappears in my pocket and now I've got and loop with no beginning and no end" type-o-thing goin' on...which I hate equally as much.

I need a good ending to a "no cut" routine.

One that doesn't expose the gaff...and doesn't end in an apparently solid loop of rope (always thought that finish gave away the effect to all but the most uninsightful of specs).

What to do, what to do. Ahh, misery, my dear, old adversary. Where shall we go today? My shadow. My achilles. I am saddened by your presence and suspicious of your absence. You cheater. I despise you. Leave me and love another. I plead. There is no happiness with you, my misery. End my suffering.

Yeah...ahem...so, anyone got a better "out" for a no-cut routine then?
Message: Posted by: TheAmbitiousCard (May 22, 2008 11:26AM)
I just PM'd you . you're safe now.

love,
frank
Message: Posted by: marty.sasaki (May 22, 2008 07:21PM)
You can do the Mongolian Pop knot with 10 feet of rope, I probably use around 14 feet, but it isn't necessary. The really nice white rope is a little bit too expensive to use a lot of. I bought some cotton clothesline which works great.

But Frank is right 10 shows a day is a lot of rope. You could make up a bunch of rope ahead of time, but you have to ditch it. You really don't want folks discovering the method.

One nice thing about the routine though, is that it is reasonably long over 7 minutes, you could probably stretch it to 10 without it dragging. That's a nice length.

many rope routines result in cutting the rope shorter which require more rope and some point. I find that actually cutting the rope is more convincing than pretending to cut the rope.
Message: Posted by: TheAmbitiousCard (May 23, 2008 12:42AM)
I didn't think about that Marty. The ditching all of the rope that you just used/ruined. where would you put it? you could destroy the evidence and throw it away, I guess. I think it's pretty obvious you wouldn't be using this on the street for any length of time.


Prof. NM works great. uses 3 people, you can come up with some great lines. you can take your time, joke around. there's lots of room for joking around with it. it's a no-brainer. daryl's handling of the "count" is really great. the best I've seen. explains it on his rope routine.

Incidentally, for my pop knot type routine for my stand-up show I use about 9 feet of rope. I stretch the length between my arms (approx 6 feet), fold it in half and add that much more rope and snip. viola! about 9 feet. no measuring.
Message: Posted by: FunTimeAl (May 23, 2008 08:06AM)
Bobby M got me to really think about rope on the street. I can't explain the reasoning behind it, but people tend to walk more during a rope routine than other effects.

I'm guessing it's either because most anyone's that's seen a magician has seen a rope routine...or, because rope just doesn't seem very magical in and of itself.

I "trimmed" back my rope routine to the bare essentials and even "halve" the routine when/if I need to.

Sometimes they're loving it...sometimes, I feel like it needs to move along.

It's probably all based on the performer. But, perhaps rope just doesn't keep people like other props inherently can.

I was watching Bobby last weekend at a festival. Next to me this guy was arguing with his whole family. "Wait a minute, we'll get some food in a moment. First I wanna see this guy get outta them chains".

Dunno if he woulda said the same thing had I been up there with my rope.

I'm NOT dogging rope. I use rope EVERY time I perform. I just think it needs to be quick, and full of amazement on the pitch, where attention spans are short and distraction is all around.

Just my thoughts. If ya don't agree, then you don't agree. I know Whit or Harry could keep them punters stopped in their tracks for and hour or more with rope. I can't though, that's all I'm sayin'.

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj193/KeeperofPHI/DSCF4622.jpg
Message: Posted by: Wayne Whiting (May 23, 2008 08:30AM)
I also use the Mongolian Knot routine on the street and would agree with Marty and Jeff. As far as Whit making a comment here Frank, he has already done so in either his Street Magic book or his Mongolian Pop Knot treatise. He feels it is worth it. Again, as mentioned above, what ever fits your personality and what you can carry around.

If you are doing this routine 10 times a day and you make $30 hats (pretty conservative for some buskers), what's a few dollars for rope? I actually get two performances out of the rope length that Whit recommends. The Professor Nightmare part of the routine is a little tight, but still doable.
Message: Posted by: TheAmbitiousCard (May 23, 2008 11:20AM)
Thanks for chiming in Wayne. Do you recall Whit's suggestion for how much rope?
I can't remember.
Message: Posted by: Dave V (May 23, 2008 11:23AM)
I don't have the manuscript on hand, but I think he started with about 30 ft. He did use this on the street, but not for every performance. So, using Marty's measurements, you can get three performances out of each 30 foot piece before having to change up to something else.
Message: Posted by: RWhit (May 23, 2008 11:52AM)
Sunny Holiday has the best street routine I have seen.

Richard
Message: Posted by: Wayne Whiting (May 23, 2008 12:00PM)
Frank,

Whit's recommendation is to start with the end of the rope touching the floor by your left foot. Raise your left hand towards the ceiling and extend your arm. Cut the rope about 6 inches beyond where it touches the floor by the right foot. Does that make any sense? LOL.

Anyway, I am six feet tall and for that height the length is 13.5 feet of rope. Again, I get two performances out of it. So, with Whit's recommendations you are looking at 13-14 feet of rope depending on your height.

Hope that helps.
Message: Posted by: marty.sasaki (May 23, 2008 10:50PM)
I haven't done it on the street, but I cut the rope so that it goes from the floor to my raised hand, back to the floor, plus a few feet. The length isn't at all critical, but it seems more impressive with longer rather than shorter rope. Part of that may be due to the differences between the rope during the PN phase are more visible with the longer lengths. I've actually gotten gasps when displaying the three different lengths.

I guess it makes sense to save the rope for other rope routines. The long length is probably the right length for a more traditional cut and restored routine and the medium length for ring on rope.

I use the rope to tie things up. No one asks me why the rope is chopped up into short lengths.
Message: Posted by: MrHyde (May 31, 2008 12:20AM)
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On 2008-04-25 08:40, Mark Raven wrote:
Look around for a Hunter's Puzzle Knot routine.

I think Tim Hyde has written up a good version.
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Hi Mark

Belated thanks for the mention!

The Hunter Puzzle Knot is absolutely perfect for busking, it stops people dead in their tracks and you can easily build a laughing involved crowd from that one person. As anyone knows, stopping that first person is sometimes the hardest part of the gig.

I must admit that in the three years I busked full time (79-81) I didn't use this particular routine, I either did a Prof nightmare or C&R. I developed the Hunter routine later for roving (paid) performance at large scale events and then for trade shows. Similar situations but slightly different context. But if (or when) I hit the street again, this would be my opener.
Message: Posted by: newmage (Jun 16, 2008 06:10PM)
Mr Hyde, I agree, it's a terrific routine for building a crowd. Your routine is clever but I still can't get the one handed knot toss 100 %.
Message: Posted by: Danny Hustle (Jun 17, 2008 07:57AM)
I'm a BIG fan of Brother Paul's routine.
Message: Posted by: MrHyde (Jun 17, 2008 06:27PM)
[quote]
On 2008-06-16 19:10, newmage wrote:
but I still can't get the one handed knot toss 100 %.
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LOL. I'll PM you.

With the normal start (2 handed) the trick is to get a bit of opposite sideways movement at each end. Then the ends will not hit each other as they pivot around.
With the one handed start, kind of swing the rope up into the horizontal
and then a slight backwards tug as you let go, duplicating the postion of the normal start.

have another look at the video clip you can see that sideways movement in both versions.

timothy
Message: Posted by: bropaul (Jul 12, 2008 10:26PM)
Thanks Danny... I'm with you. I mean not because I wrote it up, I just don't like to burn off that much rope. I do have my original routine that I plucked parts out of Abbots Encyclopedia of Rope Tricks. It's 9 minutes with 6 feet of rope, ending with the Professors Nightmare. I love to do it, but I usually don't have the rope around to do it... I wrote it up in my 1998 lecture notes called Ground Zero 2.0. (Well before the 9/11 disaster). I'll put those notes back out some day, they were the best. It's go the Rice Bowl routine in it, but let's not get off the subject...

It seems today, magic rope is getting well... Let's just say poor quality. I pick up the 300' spools when I run across a store that has a good rope, but it seems that it's just poop.

That's where the Street Rope Routine came into being. I just works.

I used Whit's routine for a long time too, just because it's fun to do. It burns rope too, but those type of routines are really worth it. Rope parts everywhere and kids grab them up. Just remnants of a good time I figure.

But as Jimmy says, find something you like, put the time in, make it yours, claim your pitch and work it!

Bro. Paul West
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Jul 13, 2008 05:09PM)
The best rope to use for magician's rope, if you can find it, is white "rope sheathing." It used to be available for people who were in the maritime industry. Some of the yachting suppliers have it, so my source, who used to sell this stuff, tells me.

Two routines that I had a lot of success with on the path at Renaissance Festivals were Quad-Rope-Lets and Cords of Fantasia. Quad-Rope-Lets fools the gilpins whose kids know the Professor's Nightmaer. Cords of Fantasia can be used with audience volunteers and works nicely.
Message: Posted by: Dynamike (Aug 17, 2008 01:01PM)
Richard Sanders has a new rope DVD out. It is called "Fiber Optics Extended." It shows the same as the regular DVD plus more. I am pleased with it.
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Aug 18, 2008 04:00AM)
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On 2008-07-12 23:26, bropaul wrote:
Thanks Danny... I'm with you. I mean not because I wrote it up, I just don't like to burn off that much rope. I do have my original routine that I plucked parts out of Abbots Encyclopedia of Rope Tricks. It's 9 minutes with 6 feet of rope, ending with the Professors Nightmare. I love to do it, but I usually don't have the rope around to do it... I wrote it up in my 1998 lecture notes called Ground Zero 2.0. (Well before the 9/11 disaster). I'll put those notes back out some day, they were the best. It's go the Rice Bowl routine in it, but let's not get off the subject...
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There are people out there who might be surprised to discover that the term "Ground Zero" existed before 9/11. Just look at "Weird" Al Yankovich's "Christmas at Ground Zero!"

I like my rope routine, although it does end up cutting rope and I need to make about a dozen up at a time so I can re-use them.
Message: Posted by: Dynamike (Aug 18, 2008 09:47AM)
Jeff McBride has a DVD where you will be able to start off with Linking Rings. A rope can be added to the end of the Linking Ring rountine. Next, he switches to an effect with just the rope. It blends in nicely.