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Topic: New Marketing Book
Message: Posted by: millste (Mar 23, 2008 12:10AM)
Hi everyone, I just finished my marketing ideas book with lots of great ideas for magicians and entertainers to make more money. The ebook has over 100 innovative ideas and lots of cool web resources. It sells for just $10, as it wanted to make it cheap enough so anybody can afford it. Let me know if anyone has any questions, or PM me if interested or post here. Thanks.

Josh
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Mar 23, 2008 12:48AM)
Who are you exactly?
Message: Posted by: millste (Mar 23, 2008 12:57AM)
I was a full time magician for a number of years, but I am not sure what else you are refferring to.
Message: Posted by: TheDean (Mar 23, 2008 01:14AM)
Could you supply a bit more information about your product so we have a better idea as to what is included and who is telling us how to be more successful please?

Thank You.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Mar 23, 2008 01:52AM)
I guess I am getting at the fact that a mystery poster is asking us to take advice and we have nothing to compare it too.

If you gave us some indication of who you are and how these things will help us make decisions, and where your background lies, we could then see what qualifies you to sell marketing products.

Full time magician for a number of years, and was? What is that number?

You are being very vague for a guy selling marketing tools.

Why does it shock you that we would like to simply know who you are and a bit about what you are selling?
Message: Posted by: bubbleburst2004 (Mar 23, 2008 02:07AM)
Do the people who gave you "crazy marketing ideas" a week ago
get a free copy of the book?

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=244460&forum=44&26

Actually, are those ideas in the book?

bb
Message: Posted by: The Drake (Mar 23, 2008 02:13AM)
Hello Josh,

I'm afraid I have to side with my fellow skeptics here. It seems strange that someone has a product to sell but wants to remain anonymous. No contact info, no complete name, no website...nothing. From a marketing standpoint it just doesn't make sense.

As performers we are used to having to show our goods to clients in order for them to take us seriously and understand we have what it takes to back up the talk.

I'm not doubting your book or the advice in it. I'm simply saying we see WAY to many newbies who want to make a quick buck selling advice to others here on the web when the truth is they have nothing real to offer. We just can't take them serious unless they will show us their product comes from experience and knowledge that we may benefit from. An empty profile is not the way to do this.

Best,

Tim

Day 22
Message: Posted by: millste (Mar 23, 2008 08:37AM)
Sorry for the vagueness guys, as I was on my way out to see my father in the hospital and just wrote it up quickly to add later. My name is Josh Gair and I was a full time magician for 7 years. That may not seem like a long time and it isn't as I am young, just 23 yrs old. I can already see the onslaught of people questioning my young age and experience. All I can say is, I was ignorant and busted my a** and I suppose that is how I did magic in restaurants and close up full time for 7 years as I started in high school. I used to live in new jersey where I was mentored by Bob Little. I now live in orlando florida and now run a talent booking agency, booking local entertainers for various companies which I enjoy very much. I also helped come up with some magic tricks for local magic shops like daytona magic, but my experience is that I made my living with magic full time for a while, but I learned a lot of things while failing to figure out what worked and what didn't. I initially wrote the ebook for myself just to keep track of all my ideas and that was it and then thought others could benefit. I hope we can all help each other. The book does not have a website as it is just $10 so I did not bother with one. The book has some cool innovative ideas to get bookings, some core fundamentals and great websites to use and help with bookings. The web resource http://www.freebooksforall.com is one of the links in the book and I think this alone may be worth $10. Oh well, I am going to have easter with my father. I truly hope that when I come back to read here, it is not world war 7 in regards to critizing everything about me. I am not an info marketer selling a $395 course, just a guy who worked hard and got some breaks early in life. Thanks and if anyone is not happy with the $10 ebook I will refund their money.
Message: Posted by: millste (Mar 23, 2008 09:13AM)
Here are another couple freebie websites with tons of creative marketing ideas for any business that you can adapt, although my book is not all websites, just the back portion which has a good number of them. These are from the book, but I hope everyone benefits from the info on them.

http://www.stuff4business.com

http://www.copyblogger.com

http://www.hellomynameisscott.blogspot.com/

http://www.frugalmarketing.com - read the marketing tips archive.

http://www.makeuseof.com - go to the tools section for top 100 new web applications and new wesbites as there are some neat tools for business, free.

http://improveyourinternetmarketing.com/

I hope these are helpful.

Josh
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Mar 23, 2008 02:22PM)
Well I wouldn't expect to sell too many LOL.

"Got breaks early"? How do you teach that exactly?

I remember the good old days when people with experience in what they were writing about wrote books.

Oh well I am nostalgic I guess. But then again nostalgia ain't what it used to be.
Message: Posted by: joshlondon17 (Mar 23, 2008 02:55PM)
It's funny that you post a link to a website (www.freebooksforall.com) and under the "business books" link there is a title about 4-5 books down that says "60 Effective book marketing ideas" or something like that. Here's a direct link: http://www.bestsellingauthor.com/downloads/BestsellingAuthor-60EffectiveStrategies.pdf

Josh, maybe you should read that ebook before trying to sell yours. I have no doubt (maybe some since you don't have a website or any personal info) that you busted your a**, but we all did and are currently still doing it.

I am pursing a career as a physician while working full time, going to school full time and doing 2-3 speaking engagements a month. I'm quite busy and barely have time to do much of anything.

So for someone like yourself to say "I got breaks early" is a slap in the face to people like me who've worked hard for everything they have and who will continue to work hard.

If your are such a great marketer than you might want to put a little more effort into marketing your ebook the right way. Because, Josh, what you are doing is the wrong way and you'll sell nothing. Plus, people who make money by running their own entertainment company don't really need to sell $10 marketing books with little ideas to magicians. And, what ideas of yours are worth noting? The way you can add OTHER PEOPLE'S websites to your book?

Josh London
Message: Posted by: millste (Mar 23, 2008 03:21PM)
Figures, what I meant by lucky breaks was it depends on what you call lucky breaks. So people think being in the right place at the right time is lucky. I do not NEED to sell little $10 books to magicians, just thought I would try to help some people out. I am not going to debate this, as I am too busy. When you guys want to have an intelligent conversation, let me know. Noting a website of someone's does not make it less credible. Now I know why pros do not come to the Café on a regular basis.
Message: Posted by: TheDean (Mar 23, 2008 03:42PM)
Thanks Josh for the additional info... I hope you do not think I was being "critical" in any way shape or form. I was not. Only "curious" as to who I was going to take some helpful advice from so I know how to ‘frame’ it in my learning mix.

Count ME IN for a copy.

Who do I send my PayPal to?

Thinking of YOU and Your Success!

I am at your service and In HIS Service,
Deano (like to know who is speaking) in Reno
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Message: Posted by: magicofCurtis (Mar 23, 2008 04:09PM)
Milste,

I think anyone sharing any type of experience and collective ideas for just ten bucks is a great deal!
Message: Posted by: millste (Mar 23, 2008 04:29PM)
Dean,

Your copy has been emailed to you as an attachment. I sent the book to Results@TheDean.net . I also sent you the invoice for paypal.com payment in email form. You can pay thru that. Let me know if you have any questions or need more help.

P.S. I had a feeling you would want one as the pros know how cheap it is for the info and I am not getting rich off it.

JOsh
Message: Posted by: millste (Mar 23, 2008 04:30PM)
Thanks curtis. Let me know if you need help with anything at all.

Josh
Message: Posted by: TheDean (Mar 23, 2008 04:40PM)
Yeah... I just chcked my eMail and saw it there, but you knew that. Hehehehe!

Thanks!

I will send you the PayPal from a diffeent Account than you send to... no biggy, just look for it in about an hour.
Message: Posted by: magicofCurtis (Mar 23, 2008 06:41PM)
Dean,

Your reviews?
Message: Posted by: TheDean (Mar 23, 2008 09:54PM)
I've got it... and I will get to it as soon as I can.

"Service" was good. This always the best way to start!
Message: Posted by: Tim Ellis (Mar 24, 2008 12:57AM)
Is it anything like this course?

http://insidersuccesssecretsofthemillionaire.blogspot.com/
Message: Posted by: Gerry Walkowski (Mar 24, 2008 05:19AM)
Tim:

That'll set magic back 30 years.

Gerry
Message: Posted by: Lyndel (Mar 24, 2008 07:48AM)
Hi Josh,

I'm also in Orlando, Florida and have a pretty good working relationship with most of the talent agents, but I have never ran across you before.

Because of many unscrupulous "talent agencies" exist all talent agencies here in Florida must be state licensed, I attempted to do a talent agent license check through the Florida Department of Professional Business Regulation's web site at http://www.myflorida.com/dbpr/pro/talent/index.html using your name, but no results were found. Is your talent agency under someone elses name? Are you licensed?

I may wish to submit some promotional materials, but I just want to make sure you are a legitimate agent first.

Regards,


Lyndel
Message: Posted by: Johnnie Blaze (Mar 24, 2008 10:30AM)
Well to be honest I kinda skimmed through this post .. it is about marketing , and how we should do it .. for stsrters he could not even begin to convince me or anyone else for that matter that he has a clue as to what he is talking about. don't you think if you knew anything about marketing , you would have a WAY better start to marketing your marketing ideas
still clueless
John
Message: Posted by: Tim Ellis (Mar 24, 2008 03:33PM)
This is Josh's agency http://www.impactentertains.com/
Message: Posted by: Tim Ellis (Mar 24, 2008 03:34PM)
And here's a picture of Josh http://www.redcarpetmonday.com/user_profile.php?userid=1806
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Mar 24, 2008 03:40PM)
How can he be in the business for over a decade? (that is 10 years right?) and be only 23?

I am suspicious already. But I will continue to look.

The list of "celebrities" seems sparce, and not really top notch. KC and the Sunshine band?

At least they return phone calls quickly LOL.

Good luck Josh.
Message: Posted by: joshlondon17 (Mar 24, 2008 07:55PM)
I think Johnnie summed up this thread pretty well. That was what I was getting at, but he articulated it better.

Danny, maybe Josh has been booking/performing shows for 10 years. Seems a little long, but what do we know?

Myself, I did my first paid performance purley by dumb luck at 15 for Sony. My dad worked at Sony and introduced me to the VP of the San Diego division at a summer picnic and I did a 30 minute show a few months later. Maybe that is what Josh means when he talks about "getting an early break." I view it as stupid-dumb-luck. But...I've been performing for 8 years now.

I think it's interesting Josh really isn't defending his honor or AT LEAST giving us some marketing advice... other that other business websites.

jl
Message: Posted by: joshlondon17 (Mar 24, 2008 07:56PM)
Just noticed I have 666 posts and I don't want that curse, excuse this post, haha

jl
Message: Posted by: nucinud (Mar 24, 2008 08:53PM)
[quote]
On 2008-03-24 08:48, Lyndel wrote:

Because of many unscrupulous "talent agencies" exist all talent agencies here in Florida must be state licensed, I attempted to do a talent agent license check through the Florida Department of Professional Business Regulation's web site at http://www.myflorida.com/dbpr/pro/talent/index.html using your name, but no results were found. Is your talent agency under someone else's name? Are you licensed?
[/quote]

By not finding him on the official site, you answered your own question Lyndel.
Message: Posted by: Lyndel (Mar 24, 2008 09:00PM)
[quote]
On 2008-03-24 21:53, nucinud wrote:
By not finding him on the official site, you answered your own question Lyndel.
[/quote]

Yep... Just letting other folks know what I found out...

It's the former law enforcement experience in me that drives me to verify things like that...


Lyndel
Message: Posted by: magicofCurtis (Mar 24, 2008 09:33PM)
IT is amazing that some people always find a way to tear down others dreams/achievements.
Message: Posted by: nucinud (Mar 24, 2008 11:14PM)
[quote]
On 2008-03-24 22:33, magicofCurtis wrote:
IT is amazing that some people always find a way to tear down others dreams/achievements.
[/quote]

I understand where Lyndel is coming from. You can't take things at face value especially when it doesn't sound right. And since Lyndel knows the law, he just wants to make sure things are legal.
Message: Posted by: magicofCurtis (Mar 24, 2008 11:17PM)
Nucinud

IT seems like many on this thread has been rough on this kid. He is staying out of trouble and trying to be productive and create a business for himself. Is he perfect? I doubt such but is he on the right path? I would say yes....
Message: Posted by: nucinud (Mar 24, 2008 11:35PM)
Curtis, you could be right. But after dealing with agents and marketing "experts" for over 18 years, I am very skeptical to say the least. Better safe than sorry sort of thing.

Would love to hear what Dean has to say.
Message: Posted by: millste (Mar 25, 2008 01:17AM)
I cannot beleive what is being said about me when I was just trying to help. Although I am not surprised. I do not need this on my consience, so for that reason I am giving the marketing book away for FREE!! Yes, free no strings attached. I apologize to all that have paid for it. If you want a free copy, send me an email to MAGICJSG@aol.com . It is not worth the sales, and I am too busy to debate this. This is my last post on this topic. I truly hope the book helps people as I am sure it will. If you want to tell me something send me an email.

Josh
Message: Posted by: magicofCurtis (Mar 25, 2008 02:33AM)
Millste,
Do not give your book away!!! Free has no value.... LEarn to over look what others have to say take constructive thoughts and learn from them..... Over look the blabbers....
Message: Posted by: millste (Mar 25, 2008 02:59AM)
Yeah, you know what curtis, you are right.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Mar 25, 2008 03:25AM)
Ok now you did it Curtis.

NOBODY said he should give it away, I certainly never advocated that.

So Tim, Lyndel and I are blabbers huh? Is that your position? Just to clarify.

My problem is with the instant experts. Been in the business a big 7 years, and on the site claims to have been doing this for over a decade. So since he was 13 he was providing entertainment? The claim is giving the truth scope would you not say?

So does this make me a blabber? The fact that mathematically and chronologically he can't seem to keep a story straight? Or does it make the claim a little disingenuous? Our fault for pointing it out, or his fault for doing it? HMMM?

Curtis here is where my problem lies. Nobody is trying to put down the kids dreams. BUT he is offering to help people with what may or may not be his own ideas here. He is putting something forth not as his "dreams" but rather as a book that is going to help aspiring magicians. He does not have the experience to back up what it is he is trying to sell. The fact that Mr. Master Marketer tried to keep his age and his lack of experience out of the first post, and was SHOCKED we would want to know who was selling us the information shows this.

Why is it every kid who gets a new computer and a word program wants to be an instant marketing expert? Where is the track record of success? Where is the trial and error? Where is the list of accomplishments?

Curtis you are acting like we are the ones wrong here. So what information is here that is new, and not rehashed old techniques?

I agree free has no value, and Mr. Marketing expert should ALREADY KNOW THIS. I find it another red flag to be frank about it. So point out what we did wrong for me Curtis. I am interested.
Message: Posted by: magicofCurtis (Mar 25, 2008 05:19AM)
[quote]
On 2008-03-25 04:25, Dannydoyle wrote:
Ok now you did it Curtis.


Curtis here is where my problem lies. Nobody is trying to put down the kids dreams. BUT he is offering to help people with what may or may not be his own ideas here. He is putting something forth not as his "dreams" but rather as a book that is going to help aspiring magicians. He does not have the experience to back up what it is he is trying to sell.


Curtis you are acting like we are the ones wrong here. So what information is here that is new, and not rehashed old techniques?

[/quote]

I received my copy this evening and breezed through it. I must ask at the level I have achieved in my career is it great for me? I would say for ten bucks it is the best marketing course on the net and it does not hurt me a bit to read through it as it did get me to think or rethink new/some ideas. Maybe Josh is not an experience expert but he does provide a tool that COULD be valuable to someone who is starting in this wonderful business of MAGIC! I believe this course will give a beginner some guidance and get the brain juices flowing.

Did I wish I had this 10 years ago.... YES....
I think Josh might have achieved more in his few years verses some of the others on here in their 10 years.
I think how some memebers are treating the kid about being an agent or if he is registered is a bit off. If one doesn't like his practices don't register with his company, but don't flaunt his wrong doings in a public form instead educate the kid.

Josh, if you want to do special events... LOOK up http://www.ISES.com and find your local chapter. You will learn a lot from this wonderful group as well as connect with some great leads.
And many of you who does show for special events you should already be attending their meetings and networking with ISES.... HMM do you need to know what ISES stands for? LOOK it up! :)

Until then enjoy the dancing banana :banana:

P.S
Danny reread what I wrote in my other post:
Josh - "Learn to over look what others have to say take constructive thoughts and learn from them..... Over look the blabbers...."

IF you think I called you a blabber -It is like you are saying you are not having constructive thoughts for the kid.... (WINK)
Message: Posted by: Tim Ellis (Mar 25, 2008 08:35AM)
Curtis said:"If one doesn't like his practices don't register with his company, but don't flaunt his wrong doings in a public form instead educate the kid."

Curtis, didn't you issue a public challenge to David Blaine "unveiling the 8 mistakes he made." That was all pretty public... really, you could have contacted him privately and educated him...


Personally, I don't blame the others for displaying scepticism at the claims of millste
Message: Posted by: Bradacal (Mar 25, 2008 11:12AM)
Well I am going to buy a copy. $10, seems pretty fair.
Message: Posted by: TheDean (Mar 25, 2008 01:45PM)
With all the LOVE I can muster:

=> The SHORT report is:
Spend The Lousy $10.00 and shut up till you know what you are talking about regardless of the speculation.

IF you don’t like it then… ask for a refund and !@#$% and moan, **** and whine all you like. (Which I don’t think helps anyone.)

=> MY Opinion: (Do with it what you like…)
The eBook is WORTH the lousy $10.00.

= Is it the best book I have read on marketing success?
No, But so what!

= Is it a collection of ‘mostly’ solid, albeit basic tips for everyday success?
YES!

= Is this something new under the sun?
No, again, so what!

= Are there SOME clever, useful tips, suggestions, ideas, tips links?
YES!

Personally, I liked he simplicity of the tips because I KNOW they work because they have worked for ME!

Too I liked that he DID NOT try and say he was some expert or guru… heck WE had to pry the info out of him in the first-place! He ONLY said that he has 87 ideas he was willing to share. Any one of us could share ideas… we do it all the time, but he DID IT!

Again, are the tips and ideas worth the lousy $10.00 bucks for the time he invested in putting this together… absolutely, even if they only REMINDS US (Some could use a good reminder!) of some of the real foundations of our business! – Again, we are talking about a guy who is only sharing a collection if tips and it’s only a lousy $10.00 bucks! Get over yourselves!

Is he a Czar, or does he suggest he IS? No, but it was a simple well gathered list of sound, solid, provable tips and suggestions, and for $10.00 bucks there is much ado about nothing!

Heck there is even a few nice surprises along the way worth MORE than the $10.00 bucks! I mean there’s bound to be in a list of tips, right?

Buy it, don’t buy it… no one cares, just quit whining and berating each other! It’s like a kindergarten playground… geez!

The ONLY tip I think he should have added is:
“It’s Nice to Be Important, But it is More Important to be NICE!”

THAT is a tips we all could use and apply to our success!

I am at your service and in HIS Service,
Deano (going to get the cheese for all the whining) in Reno
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Message: Posted by: millste (Mar 25, 2008 01:49PM)
Thanks Dean.
Message: Posted by: nucinud (Mar 25, 2008 02:05PM)
I did not think this would go this far. I thought this was a screening for acceptance. Not an expose.
Message: Posted by: TheDean (Mar 25, 2008 02:07PM)
Hehehehehe...

Gotta go now.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Mar 25, 2008 03:55PM)
I guess my problem becomes this.

If it is not new, if it not his idea but a collection of others, then what gives anyone the right to put them forth for any reason? Let alone selling them?

See it clutters the literature. It makes things confusing when you publish ideas that are not yours. There is another name for this in other sections of the Café' and I will say only that the practice of publishing someone else's ideas is greatly frowned upon. [b]Greatly[/b].

This is why I personally say experience counts for [b]so much[/b].

Dean is right it is nice to be "reminded" and that is all well and good. BUT it is not good to sell things we did not come up with. That is not good and as a matter of fact it is bad.

It happens WAY too much in our little inbred community and I for one am tired of it. On another thread about a blog someone is trying to help everyone with advice and he forgets to credit Joel Bauer of all people. Seemed to think it was ok just to put the idea out there as his own. He has made the correction, and I admire that, but it is an oversight that never should have happened.

I think these are my main problems. [b]If[/b] you have something new, original, or something you are doing different, share please. If you are however rehashing things, or just "reminding" people of others good ideas, you have no reason to be selling anything.
Message: Posted by: magico563 (Mar 25, 2008 05:20PM)
What can I say!! I have read what has been posted on this thread so far and 99% of the people who has replied has ripped josh, come on guys you don’t even no him!!!

Some posts a thread about a book they have written and nicely says ' if you want to buy it, buy or if not don’t bother' and then he gets people ripping and slating him off for not advertising his book well but then some one might post a thread on here about a book then have written and REALLY hype it up and then all you guys would rip the person for hyping it up to much!!

Now I am not getting at everyone one here because SOME people here on the Café I see as respectable people but like I said in another post 'the more I read on this Café the more I see how many people are so ignorant!!

Lay of the guy and like I said YOU don't EVEN KNOW HIM!!!

Magico563.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Mar 25, 2008 05:47PM)
So you completly forget to address my issues of it not bing HIS WORK.

So that is respectable to you? Gotcha.
Message: Posted by: magicofCurtis (Mar 25, 2008 05:50PM)
Danny have you ordered a copy of the ebook?
Message: Posted by: nucinud (Mar 25, 2008 09:23PM)
Check please...
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Mar 25, 2008 10:16PM)
[quote]
On 2008-03-25 22:23, nucinud wrote:
Check please...
[/quote]

Yea me too. I will go with you.
Message: Posted by: nucinud (Mar 25, 2008 10:28PM)
One more cup of coffee before I go.
Could this be sort of like Cliff notes for marketing?
Just asking.
Message: Posted by: magicofCurtis (Mar 26, 2008 12:19AM)
Cliff notes for marketing.... hehehehe :)
Message: Posted by: Tim Ellis (Mar 26, 2008 01:13AM)
Weird.

"I have just published a new book full of great new tricks".

"Aren't they other people's tricks?"

"Don't criticise it without seeing it. Buy a copy yourself first... in fact everyone should buy a copy first, then make up your own mind."
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Mar 26, 2008 01:28AM)
Sounds like a cool sales pitch LOL.
Message: Posted by: magicofCurtis (Apr 4, 2008 08:20PM)
So any new reviews on this course?
Message: Posted by: TheDean (Apr 4, 2008 08:37PM)
Hehehehehehe... I did already. Look up a few posts. kind between the people who don't have it talking smack.
Message: Posted by: Michael_MacDonald (Apr 8, 2008 03:26PM)
Ok I got to step in here.
do you know the guy? nope
hve you read his book? nope
can you say that the info is someone elses without reading it? nope

has he received a an endorsement from someone who is an expert on marketing?
ummmm yup the dean himself!

has he got more then one testimonial? yup

so, judging the issue from the sidelines like most of you here are doing I say....

well done josg and I hope you have much success in life as you seem to be on the road to great things.

the rest who are closed to new people or ideas I must tell you that the wold is not flat.

if you look at most of the new marketing plans are rehash of older plans so who really has the origional idea.

I personally will take the word of dean as I do know him and respect his views on this subject.
Message: Posted by: Michael_MacDonald (Apr 8, 2008 03:42PM)
Please forgive typos on last post as I had new born in one hand and typing with other lol
Message: Posted by: magicalmischief (Apr 8, 2008 03:52PM)
[quote]
On 2008-03-25 18:47, Dannydoyle wrote:
So you completly forget to address my issues of it not bing HIS WORK.

So that is respectable to you? Gotcha.
[/quote]

Danny...

He never claimed that the material was his or original. He compiled information from various sources, including the web, and put it in ebook form. To me it would save me time from diggin the stuff up myself. Are you now saying that people who compile data are not respectable?
Message: Posted by: magicofCurtis (Apr 8, 2008 05:04PM)
Magicalmischief,

Good point.... :)
Message: Posted by: gardini (Apr 10, 2008 07:12AM)
I was a a door to door salesman for about 15 years, I've read a huge amount of the marketing/sales books out there, and its and exteame rarity to find a new approach, most are rehashes of old techinic's that's been around for over 50 years, Every once and a while some one collects them and puts them in a new cover and sometimes even has a new slant on one which in marketing is honestly the most you can hope for because basically if you can think of it I can almost guarenttee that is been tried before and if it was a workable idea someone has based a book on it.

Tip books are very help to people because they normaly have a huge amount of ideas in one place, I have created my own for personal use but it took like 10 years to put together.

If someone spends the time to complie a book like this, and turn around sell it for 10 bucks we should say thank you because if reading this book gives us one new idea, or remines you about and old idea that you've forgotten about then its money well spent.

On a side note before anyone asks are you going to buy it, I have booked my first performce in almost 6 months, Ive been too sick to work for a quite a while now, just getting back into the game, its a bit too out of my price range right now (have a wife and 5 kids,no joke I'm broke), but after I get caught up abit I will be able to check it out. In the last week since I reentered the work force I booked a conference and 2 department store walk arounds, so I'll be buying it in no time.

Scott
Message: Posted by: Marshall Thornside (Apr 10, 2008 08:12AM)
Majority of music business guides are pretty much
the same points over and over.

they re-work it with newer graphics, layout and
some new up-to-date approaches.

I've read a lot of them, and magazines always
have something new in them.

there's a few magazines I keep up with and there's
always something I might not of read or didn't apply
to me at the time that does now.

and then you learn from others, and talk to the best
in the business. which makes it even better.
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Apr 10, 2008 09:06AM)
Mai-Ling
Some guys buy them all in spite of the fact that there are no new ideas out there.
Message: Posted by: TheDean (Apr 10, 2008 10:55AM)
Some guys buy none of them in spite of the fact that there are new ideas out there.




No one (else) suggested there was nothing new out there... I certainly don't "know it all". There were several NEW things in the worthwhile books of lists and resources, and I doubt seriously that anyone here, who is truly honest with themselves, could suggest ANY different, "IF" you read it.

The best news is that EVERY time I invest I find something new out there, but that is not always a good reason to invest either, is it?

Others above said it well, so there is no need to restate it again.

Here is what I KNOW:
I made over $1,200.00 bucks (so far) from just ONE of the tips/links in the $10.00 eBook, and it is far from over yet. I guess it was a worth-while $10.00 investment, eh’?

Good shares guys… back to work for me.
Deano
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Message: Posted by: millste (Apr 10, 2008 11:37AM)
Nice going dean.
Message: Posted by: millste (Apr 14, 2008 02:16PM)
Hey Dean,

What number idea was it or what web link? Just wondering. Glad you are having success. Gotta go, be back later.
Message: Posted by: TheDean (Apr 14, 2008 05:43PM)
I think it was the first of the "links" Event*****.com
Message: Posted by: Nathan Alexander (Apr 15, 2008 11:34AM)
Dean gets it. "The principle of the slight edge." Dan Kennedy talks about this, and it makes sense.

That's why Dean's successful.
Message: Posted by: magicalmischief (Apr 15, 2008 11:44AM)
I want to be successful like the dean!
Message: Posted by: TheDean (Apr 15, 2008 12:42PM)
It’s really NO SECRET… [b]Success is 100% LUCK![/b]

[url=http://successeminder.wordpress.com/2008/04/02/lessons-of-an-april-fools-hoax%e2%80%a6-so-who-is-really-the-fool/][b]See what I mean on my Video Blog[/b][/url] (It’s FREE Too…) if you haven’t already from a few weeks ago about THIS VERY SUBJECT.

[b]Enjoy[/b] (or what-ever… hehehehehe.)

I am at your service and In HIS Service,
Deano (Has The Magic Bullet Secret) in Reno
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Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Apr 15, 2008 02:54PM)
Well while I am thinking of it I am just going to post this. Hope it does not make too many more enemies than I have already.

First problem most have when discussing "Success" is that this is one of those subjective definitions. It has a different meaning.

For one success is nothing short of national TV. For another it is nothing more than being able to pay the bills. For another it is a happy family life, and a few extra buckarinos to throw around on a nice dinner every couple weeks. Still others want fame with no fortune, and others fortune with no fame. AND ALL POINTS IN BETWEEN!

So first off you need to define what success means to YOU, prior to being able to set out after it! Otherwise you are setting sail with no destination, and maybe you will be lucky and make it, but probably not.

So then the next thing you need to do is to have an act. Yep get one. Not a few tricks, not a collection of things, but an ACT. A SERVICE you can provide for someone.

Why are magicians in general so lazy that they are looking for a 'system' or a 'method' and don't just go do it? Oh well I guess that is enough.
Message: Posted by: nucinud (Apr 15, 2008 03:46PM)
Danny, I agree with you!
But you have to remember most magicians do not look at magic as a business.
We love to entertain and forget that we need to market and hustle for gigs.
That is why they (we) look for a "system". I am not sure if it is laziness or just lack of knowledge. These systems are probably good. But you hit it right on the head, success is subjective. I mean no offense to any marketing system, but for example, "Make $25k a year part time doing Magic" (not sure if that is the correct title)I know people that are doing that right now without the help of a system. They are basically looking to double or triple that figure.
"And so it goes" Vonnegut
Message: Posted by: TheDean (Apr 15, 2008 04:03PM)
Danny is RIGHT!

"Success is Subjective" the cool thing is YOU get to choose what your own success is... and THAT is what each of you should go for and aspire to.

Certainly no one is suggesting otherwise... nice observation Danny!

Why would anyone think you an enemy for pointing out the obvious truth? Good stuff!

I am at your service and in HIS Service,
Deano (loves "MY" success) in Reno
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Message: Posted by: magicofCurtis (Apr 15, 2008 05:02PM)
[quote]
On 2008-04-15 13:42, TheDean wrote:
It’s really NO SECRET… [b]Success is 100% LUCK![/b]
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Dean I must disagree with you on this one. "Success is not luck. Success comes from taking chances, networking, and opening yourself up to opportunity. Actions and behaviors of those who create their own luck must not be underestimated. Remaining open to opportunities, and that openness is the key to so called luck.

It can range from talking to strangers, dropping names, ease dropping, asking for help, and staying focus on your goal.
Also, allowing yourself detouring from the path to pursue new ones as they come open and being able to identify them. And exiting in a timely manner without burning bridges."
Message: Posted by: TheDean (Apr 15, 2008 05:29PM)
This hysterical! - - Did ya' READ the post?????? Hehehehehe!

When you Read the POST and "do what it says"! (Watch the video...) and it will all become clear! Success requires action... watch the video! (as was pointed out in the post!)

=> LUCK stands for: (I've said it here a million times!)

L abor
U nder
C orrect
K nowledge

Your need to apply LABOR AND acquire the correct knowledge in this thread if you want to UNDERSTAND and be able to comment with any kind of “success”... hehehehe!

As I said (IN THE VIDEO) Labor will our perform know how ANY day of the week, BUT to getheather, we can be virtually unstoppable! - Like DUH!

Read the post... wath the VIDEO, "THEN" comment on the discussion, Okey Dokey?

I am at your service and In HIS Service,
Deano (follows directions and KNOWS what he is doing before commenting) in Reno – HA!
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Message: Posted by: magicofCurtis (Apr 15, 2008 05:45PM)
Dean,

I thought I was missing something... :)
Message: Posted by: TheDean (Apr 15, 2008 06:30PM)
Hehehehehehehehe...

I know I am... a spell checker! (HA!)
Message: Posted by: Koenraad (May 29, 2008 03:22AM)
More than 2 200 vieuws,
three pages of comments.
What a way to promote your book!
The man knows sommething about marketing ;-)

-Koenraad
Message: Posted by: MikeClay (Jun 1, 2008 06:37PM)
With years of experience in Internet marketing and training companies on how to get more of a edge over competition online.. WOW!! just what I was thinking Koenraad...
my only fault in the guy is for not having a website for the ebook LOL
he could have made over a grand just from the hype that got stirred up here if he had a good website with the right marketing into it...
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jun 1, 2008 06:44PM)
[quote]
On 2008-06-01 19:37, MikeClay wrote:
With years of experience in Internet marketing and training companies on how to get more of a edge over competition online.. WOW!! just what I was thinking Koenraad...
my only fault in the guy is for not having a website for the ebook LOL
he could have made over a grand just from the hype that got stirred up here if he had a good website with the right marketing into it...
[/quote]

Sort of makes ya think about the info in the book huh? LOL.
Message: Posted by: Slim King (Jun 1, 2008 07:42PM)
Guess What????
I know Josh!!!!!!!!
:bat: