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Topic: Please help with website , thx
Message: Posted by: yeahidomagic (Mar 23, 2008 07:59PM)
Hello everyone I am posting my website . please tell me what you think . thank you


http://www.partiesbyjerry.co.nr
Message: Posted by: Red Shadow (Mar 23, 2008 08:44PM)
Text goes all over the place, overlapping and making it impossible to read, on all but the gallery and contact page.

On the home page, The top header is a bit to short on the right, making it look odd when placed above the box below it.

The picture of the children on the shows page is distorted (stretched). Fix it.

You offer 30 min and 40 minute shows. However on the Party Tips page, you say that parents don't need to bother about games, even though there is an extra 90 minutes left of the show after you go. Kids finish eating after 15 minutes, not 90. You need to sort out those tips. Either delete them or suggest some games to use on the page. You cannot make statements like, you won't need any games, because on the day, they'll be blaming you for not planning anything.

You have 4 reviews, one of which is a letter (which takes too long to load - needs compressing), and is dated 2/3/04).
I take it then, you haven't done a show in 4 years, if that was your last good review? Because that's what the client is thinking.
I would drop the entire section, but if you must have one, make up your own reviews since the parents have no way of confirming if there true or not.

The middle picture in the gallery failed to load.
Message: Posted by: Lyndel (Mar 23, 2008 08:51PM)
Well,

Since you asked...

Do you sell magic shows or baby diapers? Get rid of the Huggies banner by paying for a domain rather than using a free one. It screams amatuer.

Some of the text was difficult to read because of strike throughs and some of the pictures were stretched out of proportion.

Focus more on client benefits rather than features of your show.

You want to portray a professional product and your web site is the potential client's first impression of you. You've fallen a bit short on creating a positive first impression.

Hope you don't take this criticism in the wrong way, I absolutely mean it to be constructive. Think about having the site designed by a professional.


Lyndel
Message: Posted by: Tony Thomas (Mar 23, 2008 09:01PM)
I think the comments above are right on. I would add that all the pictures of you (I think there were only 2 maybe 3), show you with balloons. I would focus on taking a number of quality pictures with a solid color backdrop that demonstrate the range of things that you do during a show.
Message: Posted by: James Munton (Mar 23, 2008 09:07PM)
[quote]but if you must have one, make up your own reviews since the parents have no way of confirming if there true or not. [/quote]

That is offensive. Is this what you teach people in your party business course?

Why not deliver a good show and get genuine recommendation letters? If you can't do that, no amount of deceptive marketing will help.

Really, that is pathetic advice.
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Mar 23, 2008 09:12PM)
[quote]
On 2008-03-23 21:44, ku7uk3 wrote:
You have 4 reviews, one of which is a letter (which takes too long to load - needs compressing), and is dated 2/3/04).
I take it then, you haven't done a show in 4 years, if that was your last good review? Because that's what the client is thinking.
I would drop the entire section, but if you must have one, make up your own reviews since the parents have no way of confirming if there true or not. [/quote]

I agree with James Munton's response to this. Do not be dishonest and make up testimonials.

Only publish real testimonials you yourself have gotten from your own customers. If you can't get them, then you don't deserve to have them on your website!

There is another solution to the date on the letter problem.

- Donald
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Mar 23, 2008 09:12PM)
I like it. Sure it can be cleaned up a bit but that will happen but I'll tell you why I like it better than some of the glitzy super sites some of these guys have.

First off you tell them what type of magic you do, you tell them the region where you work, and you give contact info....perfect. I never understood why people make fancy sites that say "Biff is the greatest award winning magician you'll ever find and you'll be amazed and pro and this and that and I rule and I know three tricks from ellusionist and am the best magician in the world..." yet they don't say where they are or put up contact info. Why? Cuz they are not really working magicians! They are internet magicians, ol' Jerry there is a real magician and his site, faults and all, is worth money while the fancy great looking ones are often worthless. You rock Jerry, just clean it up a bit and find out how to get people to find your site when the enter key words.

I'm so proud of Jerry.
Message: Posted by: Bradley Roberts (Mar 23, 2008 10:37PM)
Well I will start by saying that you should not cut and paste word for word from my site. Even some of the images are mine from shows that I have done. You might want to replace them with images from your own shows.

I do what to thank you for thinking that my site was worth copying the text and some of the images.

I don't know what else to say on this.

B-Rad
Message: Posted by: Art190 (Mar 23, 2008 10:43PM)
Wow. Nothing is safe in this world.

Art
Message: Posted by: Tony Thomas (Mar 23, 2008 10:46PM)
Wow dude. Busted! After Bradley's post, I think it's time to take your site offline and start over.
Message: Posted by: Art190 (Mar 23, 2008 10:52PM)
Or just take the bits you took off his site down. I don't think it's fair... Bradley Roberts has to make a living too you know.
Message: Posted by: Bradley Roberts (Mar 23, 2008 10:57PM)
Here is a link for you to read http://www.bitlaw.com/internet/webpage.html

If you want send me a PM and I will even give you help on fixing it up. I like to be a nice guy
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Mar 23, 2008 11:07PM)
You are being very nice, Brad.

When I've had content (wording or photos) taken from my website without permission, I was not a happy camper.

It doesn't matter if they aren't in my area, or even in a different country.

Respect the copyright.

- Donald
Message: Posted by: Bradley Roberts (Mar 23, 2008 11:30PM)
Darn... this made me go change some wording around. All I care about is the image really. At least use your own pictures.

B-Rad
Message: Posted by: LVMagicAL (Mar 23, 2008 11:36PM)
You're kidding, aren't you?? With this web site, I wouldn't let YOU pay ME to come near one of my parties. You steal another performers web text and even his party photo's and you have the cajones to ask others on the Café to take a look and comment?

In the spirit of "Magicians Helping Magicians", I'm serious when I say remove this piece of crap website immediately and go get a job making french frys at McDonalds until you can buy some self-respect and do something on your own instead of doing a pi** poor job of stealing another performers web site.

Your site is a disgrace.....
Message: Posted by: Bradley Roberts (Mar 24, 2008 12:05AM)
Ok was looking at the site again... I take back that I would help you. You are pulling the image from my site to display on your site... BAD MOVE! You are using my bandwidth and you are subjected to any image I want to put up. You are lucky I didn't go overboard.

B-Rad
Message: Posted by: Art190 (Mar 24, 2008 12:22AM)
Lol, B-Rad, you're the one that put that picture of the little boy with his middle finger? Funny stuff.

Art
Message: Posted by: Bradley Roberts (Mar 24, 2008 12:25AM)
Darn little devil made me do it... but the little Angel has more power and made me change it to something nicer.

I hate the voices that talk to me. LOL

Makes me no better then him to keep it that way. It is nicer now.

B-Rad
Message: Posted by: Art190 (Mar 24, 2008 12:28AM)
LOL, free advertisement...nice. Now you will get double the bookings!
Message: Posted by: magicmonty (Mar 24, 2008 06:21AM)
Hi Everyone ,
I have not posted on here for some time now...but I had to when I see how low some people will stoop !! . If you cannot spend the time on your own site to make it as professional as possible , then surely this will be reflected in your show !!...have you cut and pasted that as well ? .

Brad I think you are being to kind , you are obviously head and shoulders above this guy and it annoys me so much , when people are so lazy they will not spend the time and effort to be original and HONEST .

I had a lot of help with my website from Emazdad and if I was to be HONEST took some of his wording ( with his permission ) from his site . It would not have been half as professional as I hope it is , without his help...all I did was ask , magicians helping magicians .

Also as Donald and James mentioned do not make up your references this is bad advice...be honest , the references will come with a good show .

Here is my website for you all to have a look at , but please do not copy and paste !!!. Thanks for the link brad...plenty of great information .

http://www.magicmontyentertainment.co.uk

Regards John .
Message: Posted by: Lyndel (Mar 24, 2008 07:24AM)
Oh Jerry... This is not good. The magic community is a small one. Everyone knows just about everyone... Did you really think you were going to get away with this?

I take back my previous advice and offer some new advice: [b]Take the site down and apologize profusely to B-Rad![/b]
Message: Posted by: John C (Mar 24, 2008 10:07AM)
Jerry, Jerry, Jerry ... and you're in Florida? Hey, I'm in Florida!! Uh OH!!

John
Message: Posted by: LVMagicAL (Mar 24, 2008 10:40AM)
You'll reap what you sow, Jerry. John Cesta has nothing to worry about...His stuff is from the heart and potential clients can tell the difference. You, on the other hand, Jerry, should get used to wearing a paper hat and living with your parents.
Message: Posted by: Ryan Price (Mar 24, 2008 06:55PM)
I thought I saw that picture before and now I know where. Tsk tsk.
How much does a site cost to get running, maybe $500 for a good one including the first year of hosting. I personally believe that your better off having no site as opposed to a bad one, that’s probably why I am just launching my first one now. It's good to take some ideas from other sites but not actual content at least without permission. Heck is that really what you look like or is that picture stolen too?
Message: Posted by: KyletheGreat (Mar 24, 2008 07:12PM)
Wow...this is interesting...

Stollen pictures, stollen text, Huggies Banners, false review consipiracies...

It's like a hijacked ad for a "New Mother's Weekly" magazine!

This thing really needs to be taken off and you should start from scratch.

MAN!
Message: Posted by: Bradley Roberts (Mar 24, 2008 07:27PM)
I have done a few designs for other magicians for that price $500.00 and that includes a year of hosting and a content management system that they can edit the site. I have always been willing to help out, all you have to do is ask next time. That is what these forums are about... Magicians Helping Magicians.

I have used text and wording from other sites but not word for word. Example Party tips. Images of someone elses show is a NO NO. I know that if you took images from Getty Images and used them on your site and they found out... Ooo my... they will go after you for $5,000+ per copyright image. That could add up.

I am not sure what you were thinking. You see me here all the time and didn't think I would noticed. When someone post about their website I love to review and give feedback since I have years of experiance in it.

Just crazy someone would do that.

Like Mr. Gump would say Stupid is as Stupid does.


B-Rad
Message: Posted by: yeahidomagic (Mar 24, 2008 07:31PM)
Guys thank you for advice . B-rad I am truly sorry I was not aware that was your content. I had asked my dads friend to help me out a little bit and if he could write me a paragraph for my home page . I guess he took the easy way out . I'm truly sorry and would never steal anyone's work . Last time I trust someone with my website .






[quote]
On 2008-03-24 00:36, LVMagicAL wrote:
You're kidding, aren't you?? With this web site, I wouldn't let YOU pay ME to come near one of my parties. You steal another performers web text and even his party photo's and you have the cajones to ask others on the Café to take a look and comment?

In the spirit of "Magicians Helping Magicians", I'm serious when I say remove this piece of crap website immediately and go get a job making french frys at McDonalds until you can buy some self-respect and do something on your own instead of doing a pi** poor job of stealing another performers web site.

Your site is a disgrace.....
[/quote]


Talking about disrespect , why don't you wait until you hear the truth huh? Bet you feel good why don't you curse more . your mom thought you to talk with that mouth? 0.0
Message: Posted by: Bradley Roberts (Mar 24, 2008 07:42PM)
Thank you Jerry for the post and removing the images. I have PM you about this.

Just be careful in the future it could have cost you a lot more then to hire someone to do it. Hire a professional in the future for your website. When someone says that will do it for free... you are getting what you paid for. This goes to say with anything in life.

Cheers,

B-Rad
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Mar 24, 2008 08:44PM)
You know... some of you attacked this kid (note, if you are under 30 you are a 'kid', unless you are a female over 18, then you are a woman) without finding out the facts. While I don't approve of someone using others material it is very common, in particular 'party tips, where folks will change the verbage by a word or two and think it makes it original.

What do you think is going to happen outside the magic world? Do you think Rosa Gonsalvez in South Beach who is looking for a magician for seven year old Bills birthday is going to go look at a site for a Vegas based kids show magician as well and then say to herself "Goodness, the photos look the same and the verbage as well, I believe I must find out who was first so I know if I should hire local guy Jerry of fly in Brad from Vegas if he is willing to reduce it from the rate of $100 I'm willing to pay". Pulleaze. Then only one person questions the guy who says put in fake comments!

Jerry, straighten out the site, fine tune it, get hold of info on how to get your site found when locals search, and have fun and make a few bucks. Just a tip, if you want to know how your site looks don't ask magicians, what do they know? Nuttin' I tell you.
Message: Posted by: yeahidomagic (Mar 24, 2008 09:20PM)
Thank you Santa , why cant everyone be like you?
Message: Posted by: Art190 (Mar 24, 2008 09:31PM)
I do agree that some people went a litle over board (Don't think I did...did I?). But MagicSanta, do you know for a fact that Jerry's fathers friend really put the website togerher? Just something to think about..but anyway, the only thing that matters now is that Jerry did the right thing of taking the images and text that was taken from Bradley's website. I'm glad for both of you this was resolved.

Art
Day 24
Message: Posted by: yeahidomagic (Mar 24, 2008 09:50PM)
The friend did not put the WHOLE website together . I just asked for a nice paragraph , because I knew he was artistic and creative .
Message: Posted by: Bradley Roberts (Mar 24, 2008 10:23PM)
Magic Santa

This had nothing to do with me being booked there or here. This has everything with the images that are my copyrighted property. I am not only a magician but artist, designer, and photogher and know my rights. I have been doing this a very long time and do well at it. Here is something all should read on the topic of photos on the web. http://www.techsoup.org/learningcenter/internet/page5970.cfm This is about borrowing images on the web. This will educate you on what is safe and what is not.

Again if you took images from Getty Images or Stockimages without paying you could be subject to fines of $5,000+ per image. They don't care what your story is, they would go after you.

I asked Jerry to remove the images. I have resolved this issue with Jerry and provided some help. I have also offered to help him in the future if he needs it.

When Jerry completes his site he should post it again so that we can give him the tips that he needs to make his site great.

Cheers,

B-Rad
Message: Posted by: James Munton (Mar 24, 2008 10:27PM)
[quote]because I knew he was artistic and creative . [/quote]

Now you know that he is not!

I'm surprised at Santa's response. Even if your friend's dad DID do your homework, I mean website, you knew that the photo was not a photo of one of your audiences.

I actually think a photo of a happy, smiling audience is the same as a review. It should be truthful. People looking at your site are going to assume that these are kids watching YOUR show.

It's dishonest to use a photo of someone else's audience.

I don't care how old you are, you should know that.
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Mar 24, 2008 10:39PM)
Brad, you were the only one who should have been miffed, so behave or I'm on the road, next own over is freakin' Vegas baby...well, next town four hundred miles away.

I'm surprised myself James. I like this guy though and while I think there are a pack of posers running around I think he is really trying to get something going. He knows he shouldn't take photos and got caught with it and he learned from it. There was no harm is what I was saying and he amended it. I hope he has great success as a magician. Heck, there was a guy on here and another site who stole the entire content, I mean every word of text was stolen and then he declared he was totally right to do so! That isn't the case here. All I know while some people are slaving at making a magical website and never will perform this kid is out there trying.

By the way, James Munton is the only guy I know of on this thread who is a worker, everyone may be but James is the only one I know of and I didn't have to go to his site to know it. Rock on chillin'
Message: Posted by: James Munton (Mar 24, 2008 10:50PM)
Wow! You are in a good mood today, Santa! You've been to the Ranch again, haven't you?
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Mar 24, 2008 11:10PM)
To be fair, some of the party tips out there on various birthday magician's websites are word for word from either Eric Paul's "How to be your area's top children's entertainer" course, and also earlier from Bob Markwood's "Poof II You" book.

In Eric's course, he gives you reprint rights to use the tips in your own book for parents, etc. (Now people are using them on their website.)

Also, there are some party planning tips in an earlier resource, Frances Marshall's book, "The Happy Birthday Business." But you don't see these as often online.

If you're going to use them, at least buy the source material. Then you have more of a "right" to use them on your website.

- Donald
Message: Posted by: Potty the Pirate (Mar 25, 2008 04:05AM)
I really don't understand why it seems so hard for folks to come up with their own promotional text? surely you can make your own show sound exciting, rather than have someone else just make it up, or "borrow" it? With websites easily constructed free of charge, in a matter of minutes, all that's needed are images and text. Why, oh why, would you choose to use images and text which have nothing to do with your show? Why not spend the two or three hours neccessary to create something original?
And if you can't be bothered to put in the miniscule effort required to create your own website, what chances are there that you'll put any effort into creating your own show?
Even though my website is a free one, it has regularly been commented upon; the speed of download, the quality of the images, and the clearness of the text. It costs me just $15 a year for my web pointer. If you'd like to take a look, it's http://www.pottythepirate.com
You can steal my testimonials if you think it will do you any good, but in the long run, I assure you it won't. You can't let people think you're a highly regarded performer, and then turn up and deliver a mediocre show. That's the way to make your life hard, hard work, and to have a succession of dissatisfied customers.
My advice is to work on your show until it's good enough to bring your own testimonials, and until you have something interesting to say about what you offer. If you've been performing for 8 years, you seem to have very little evidence that in all these years you've delivered more than a couple of OK shows....
:)
Message: Posted by: Skip Way (Mar 25, 2008 07:54AM)
Jerry made a couple of novice mistakes. B-Rad was a complete gentleman, resolved the issue in a win-win manner and moved on. Jerry was man enough to own up, fix the issues and move on. Cheers to you both!
Message: Posted by: alexa (Mar 25, 2008 10:15AM)
Jerry,

How old are you? I am seventeen, my main market is birthday parties. My site for that is http://www.princesslexiloo.com I am trying to break into libraries so I have a smaller site for that at http://www.educational-magic.com

Now, you have to start somewhere. My VERY first site, I believe is still floating out there at http://www.freewebs.com/partiesbyalexa

My first run of professional business cards (which I still, unfortunately, use) have pitures of me in different costumes than I wear now, advertising different characters, and the pictures were from just a few years ago but I look very different.

I understand working from the ground up and there are tons of adults out there who don't even have their free site yet. My father, who is a magician, ran out of business cards when I was seven and still hasn't gotten new ones. He is a fantastic magician but works for agents, one of whom is me. That's fine, but then he doesn't understand why he can't charge what Julian Franklin does.

Of course, I don't know what you charge, I am priced at the top tier of my market, I use a paid assistant, a backdrop, music, a puppet, I do intricate balloon sculptures, full face painting, and have a specialized character, etc. But I didn't always.

I think it is great that you are out there and trying to do as good a job as you can do. But don't settle for where you are now. I still have a repeat client from when I was thirteen or fourteen. I charged $75 for a fourth birthday party. Now I charge a helluva lot more, and her daughter just turned seven. I have gotten to celebrate with them many of times.

You will loose some people as you climb up the ladder, but not all of them. Don't be afraid to shoot for a professionally done site when you can get one, or to chantge your brand, or to send out a press release, or raise your prices. There is still a ton that I want to change to my site, to my business plan, to my costume, etc.

One suggestion I have for your current website that won't cost you any money is to drastically revise your text. I am a creative writing major, PM me if you'd like my help. Or go to my website and give me a call, I'd be happy to talk about it with you.

Good luck.

Alexa
http://www.princesslexiloo.com
Message: Posted by: magicmonty (Mar 25, 2008 10:30AM)
Well said skip...i could not of put it any better myself .
Message: Posted by: Ken Northridge (Mar 25, 2008 10:31AM)
Princess Alexa,

Where were you when I was seventeen? Oh ya, you weren't born yet. I wish I had someone as giving as you when I was learning. Thank you for your helpful post. You give us older guys hope in the next generation. Keep up the good work.
Message: Posted by: alexa (Mar 25, 2008 11:05AM)
Thanks Ken. I am in Jersey too. Do you know Joe and Bobbi Festa in Atlantic City? I haven't seen you at any magic clubs...

Alexa
Message: Posted by: Ken Northridge (Mar 25, 2008 11:56AM)
Joe and Bobbi are my mentors! Great people. I'm not a club person but my wife and I will be at the IBM/SAM convention this year. I hope to meet you soon.
Message: Posted by: Red Shadow (Mar 25, 2008 02:15PM)
Wow, I just logged back on and read all this!

Definitely remove the site, or at least the stolen parts. I understand using one person's website as a template, but you have to change it a lot before you can claim it your own.

As for listing reviews, as I said in my first post, I would drop the entire section. It doesn't prove anything, and whenever I see reviews like this on a site; I get put off. I demonstrate my talents through videos and LOTS of pictures. Its pretty easy to do with a simple camera.
As for faking reviews, off course, you should never have to. If your not getting positive feedback from your clients after every show, then seriously your in the wrong business. But what you had listed was minimal and very dated. It was doing more harm than good, which was my original point.

As for building websites, I'm a secondary school ICT Teacher, so I do it all the time. If its something you want to learn, e-mail me and I'll send over some tutorials. For a more direct video response, type front-page tutorial' or 'Dream weaver tutorial' etc. into You-tube, there are lots on there. You can even make websites with Microsoft Word, so there are no excuses for not learning.

Steve
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Mar 25, 2008 03:02PM)
Hi Steve -

You may not like to use testimonials in your marketing, but they are a powerful form of sales evidence. Other forms of evidence, for customers to read/see, that you indicate are good/that you can help them, include video clips, photos, customer lists, live auditions, etc.

I've been using testimonials in mailings and online for a very long time. I've never had a customer say that I made them up. I have the hard copy letters that I pull the quotes from, and I'm happy to supply them.

Some performers let their potential customers even call their past customers (with permission).

Some things that are even more powerful is if the potential customer has seen you themself (at another show), or has been referred to you by another satisfied customer. This is the truer form of testimonials. Some performers run their business just by this method alone (without a website presence, etc.)

- Donald
Message: Posted by: Scott O. (Mar 25, 2008 04:51PM)
[quote]
On 2008-03-25 11:15, alexa wrote:
I charged $75 for a fourth birthday party. Now I charge a helluva lot more, and her daughter just turned seven. I have gotten to celebrate with them many of times.

[/quote]

I'm smilin' as I write this, but I just have trouble picturing someone named Princess Lexilloo saying "helluva lot more."

It sounds like you're doing things right though.

Scott ;).
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Mar 25, 2008 08:28PM)
James, I'll have you know the local brothel has the best lunch specials on sandwiches in town and I like a good bargain. It has little to do with me being in a good mood.
Message: Posted by: Vegasvent (Mar 25, 2008 08:57PM)
Dude....like,Wow!
Message: Posted by: Michael M. (Mar 25, 2008 09:21PM)
[quote]
On 2008-03-25 21:28, MagicSanta wrote:
James, I'll have you know the local brothel has the best lunch specials on sandwiches in town and I like a good bargain. It has little to do with me being in a good mood.
[/quote]
"Children's performer eats at local brothel before being "entertained" himself...film at 11".
Santa, I so hope the elves and Mrs. Claus do not know....
And, out of curiosity, are you serious?;)
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Mar 25, 2008 11:01PM)
Where I work is close to one place that serves lunch where one can go and have time to eat and get back....it is next door and it is The Wild Horse Brothel, Bar, and Grill. They have a very good grill and also a Mustang Ranch museum, 24 hour free parking for truckers including security guards in a well lit (with red lights) lot. It is completely legal and owned, I believe, by the president of the local Hells Angels. Now if you are asking me if I go there for anything besides lunch the answer is no, I've never entered the brothel itself and don't intend to and yes my wife knows that is where I have lunch every so often. For your entertainment my county has four or five other brothels including the one featured on HBO and guess what, I've performed at the preschool in front of that one and guess who's kids are there? Go ahead....guess!
Message: Posted by: Michael M. (Mar 26, 2008 07:06AM)
I was sincerely hoping that you weren't..umm...taking in "all the goodies"!
;)
LMAO that is too funny! That could be a reality tv show, right there!
Message: Posted by: alexa (Mar 26, 2008 11:40AM)
Princess Lexiloo doesn't say that. Alexa does. :)I am still a teenager....
Message: Posted by: Bradley Roberts (Mar 26, 2008 11:54AM)
Great website Alexa! Keep up the great work.

Jerry has some good help now that we are offering to help him out. This is what the forums are all about... Magicians helping Magicians :)

Cheers,

B-Rad