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Topic: Where do I find these sleights?
Message: Posted by: spherie (Oct 1, 2001 03:17AM)
Hi everybody,

can anyone tell me where I could read about or view the following sleights, since they are rather uncommon (in my point of view):

Rosenthal back clip

Deep back clip

I especially like back clips :)

Thank you all,

Message: Posted by: David Neighbors (Oct 1, 2001 11:08AM)
Hi Spherie,

The Deep back clip is in the David Roth hard bound book. If you like back plam stuff you might like my routine " backed handed coins across" Itís posted on the Coin purse site. At http://www.coinmagic.com Thanks.

Best David Neighbors

The Coinjurer
Message: Posted by: Bernard Sim (Oct 2, 2001 12:06AM)
Is the deep back clip the same as "Goshman back clip"? I can never get a back palm to work :pout:
Message: Posted by: Scott F. Guinn (Oct 2, 2001 12:25AM)
The Goshman move is actually Tenkai's--Bobo credits it to Goshman in Modern Coin Magic. It is marginally different (the way the coin is held) than deep back clip. The Paul Cummins video, "Up in Smoke" has some great work with the back clip.
Message: Posted by: David Neighbors (Oct 2, 2001 11:43AM)
Hi Bernard,

No itís not, look in Rothís book for it. You might want to try the Downs backplam thatís what I use. Itís not the same as the one in Boboís. Itís the same as the one I came up with some 25 years ago and found out the Downs had come up with 50 years before me. If you need the handling itís in my Las Vegas notes thanks.

Best David Neighbors

The Coinjurer
Message: Posted by: Michael Rubinstein (Jan 28, 2002 12:09AM)
The deep backclip is where the coin is held clipped between the back of the first phalanges (that's the base) of the middle two fingers, and uses a coin over the base of the fingers to cover the "window" between the fingers.

The Rosenthal back clip appeared in the 1976 Karl Fulves publication, The Pallbearers Review, in a one man issue called Close-up Folio #3. Here the coin is clipped between the same two fingers, between the second phalanges (the middle one)

Back in '82 I put out a book (Intermediate and Advanced Coin Technique) that utilized some back clip techniques, where the coin was clipped between the back of the first and second fingers.

The Goshman (or as it is more properly called, the Tenkai) clip, is where the coin is clipped between the third and fourth fingers. All have their use, and each has an advantage and disadvantage. - Michael Rubinstein
Message: Posted by: Dan Watkins (Feb 6, 2002 12:10PM)

Michael gives an excellent brief description of the back clips.

As to your original question as to where you can read or view the material:

David Roth's "Expert Coin Magic" book is a great place to read material that uses the deep back clip.

Paul Cummins' "Up In Smoke" video is hands down the best source to get the best an education on the Rosenthal Backclip. Paul teaches the move in detail as well as how to get into it, how to retrieve the coin, and how to properly use it with angle considerations. Much of this instruction is applicable to Tenkai pinch as well. Four of the six coin routines use the Rosenthal Backclip. I have a fully detailed review of "Up in Smoke" in the Product Reviews section of my website http://www.coinvanish.com