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Topic: Making an invisible deck "appear".
Message: Posted by: Mr. Ree (Apr 17, 2008 03:58PM)
The invisible deck is working quite nicely as part of my close-up routines.
This is slowly evolving and becoming more of my own every performance.

When it's time I would like to try to make the deck of “invisible” cards appear in
some fashion. Rather than just pulling a deck out of a shirt pocket or such.

What are the options of making a deck of cards appear?

So far I received one comment about sleeving are there any
other options?

Thanks in advance.
Message: Posted by: Jaz (Apr 17, 2008 04:16PM)
"Chill Pack" Carneycopia.
Message: Posted by: spatlind (Apr 17, 2008 05:39PM)
I think sleeving is fine. I suppose it could work with a change bag, if that's your sort of thing. If you are handing it out ala the Malone routine, you could "take it out" of the change bag, showing it empty, do the build up, ask them to drop it back into the bag and voila, it magically appears.
Scott
Message: Posted by: Mr. Ree (Apr 17, 2008 06:00PM)
Jaz: Thanks I will be checking out “Chill Pack” when I get back from
my road trip in a couple of days.

Scott: As I am in the “brainstorm” part of trying to figure this out
I think about all suggested methods. But so far, me and change bags
don’t care for one another too well. :)
But this may really be the solution in certain situations.
Message: Posted by: erlandish (Apr 17, 2008 06:12PM)
Jaz,

The slight difficulty with Chill Pack is that, as created, it is one of those surprises that comes into play before the trick has apparently started. How do you motivate the actions to the jacket after you've already begin the "invisible" deck premise?

Regarding the appearance, there are a number of ways to do it. Producing it from your sleeve as you reach into your pocket (which they've already verified as empty) could work. Similarly, you could hand out an empty card box, ask them to put it into the double-chambered whatever, and then ask them to pull out the box containing the ID. That double-chambered whatever could be a box, a bag, your jacket pocket, etc.

A similar approach might work with a regular deck switch. There's no end of published methods for that. It's also made easier because everything is boxed. Might be more difficult to routine, though.
Message: Posted by: nicky (Apr 17, 2008 07:00PM)
Just a plain paper bag will work.
Message: Posted by: Spellbinder (Apr 18, 2008 05:55PM)
I like the plain paper bag approach nicky suggested. You whap open a paper bag and hold it out towards the spectator who is holding the invisible deck, then ask them to toss the deck into the bag. Plop! You hear and see something fall into the bag and you dump out the visible invisible deck.

However, if the situation calls for a more elegant approach, check out my "Elevator Box" from The Wizards' Journal #11 on my site. You make it yourself from a small wooden box from the craft store or gift shop.
Message: Posted by: marty.sasaki (Apr 18, 2008 06:42PM)
Are you sitting down? If so, just put it on your knee. Reach out to retrieve the invisible deck and just pick up the deck with the other hand, bring it out palm down. Turn your hand palm up and drop the invisible deck onto your hand.

Don't draw attention to what you are doing, just do it. Some will see you bring the deck out, most will suddenly be aware of it when it "appears".
Message: Posted by: Mr. Ree (Apr 19, 2008 02:24AM)
Wow, thanks all.

erlandish thanks for your thoughts on this
there are a couple of things to try here.

nicky/Spellbinder thanks for paper bag idea
and enhanced paper bag comments.

Spellbinder I have been happy with my previous
purchases from you will be looking into “elevator box”
shortly.

marty.sasaki sitting down? (pun was intended right?)

I like it. But more performances than not I am standing.
But there have been a couple of time I am in fact sitting.
Good idea.

As mentioned this is an evolving routine for me so now I
have several things to try.
Message: Posted by: Alel (Apr 19, 2008 04:18AM)
I saw a good, casual yet startling appearance of a deck being done by a lady performer that I saw in a video, The History of Magic - Close-Up Magic.

I don't have enough time to look for the performance right now, so if you are patient, you can look for it somwhere in the various parts of The History of Magic - Close-Up Magic in YouTube.

Gonna post a link when I can find ample time.


Alel
Message: Posted by: molsen (Apr 19, 2008 08:35AM)
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On 2008-04-19 05:18, Alel wrote:
I saw a good, casual yet startling appearance of a deck being done by a lady performer that I saw in a video, The History of Magic - Close-Up Magic.

I don't have enough time to look for the performance right now, so if you are patient, you can look for it somwhere in the various parts of The History of Magic - Close-Up Magic in YouTube.

Gonna post a link when I can find ample time.


Alel
[/quote]

I think you're referring to Fay Presto:
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Fay+Presto&search_type=

One of the videos found is the first (of six) part of BBCs history of magic - Close-up.

Michael
Message: Posted by: Donal Chayce (Apr 19, 2008 01:02PM)
Fantasio puts out a prop called the "Deck Switcher" which I've sometimes used with the Invisible Deck. It looks like one of those travel cases that holds two decks of cards, one red and one blue (both Bicycle decks).

I open the travel case, take out the red card case, open it up (it's obviously empty), and removed the invisible deck. I explain that this is a "Polaroid Pack," the latest product from Polaroid, the company known for it's instant picture cameras. After going through all of the gags involving the audience member shuffling the cards, picking a card, etc., I take the invisible deck from them, mime putting it back into the the card case and replace the card case into the empty section of the travel case. I close the travel case and explain that the deck has to be kept in the dark for a bit in order for it to develop. After a beat, I reopen the travel case, remove the red card case (remember, there's only one red card case--the other is a blue card case), open it and pull out the now visible deck. I then ask the spectator to tell us the card that they had just minutes ago selected from the invisible deck.

I'm sure that you can imagine the rest.
Message: Posted by: Vaughn Ver Steegt (Apr 19, 2008 08:06PM)
I've seen a routine where the magician throws the invisible deck out to someone in the crowd. After the selection of the card the magician had the person throw the deck back to him. He used a bag that resembled a mesh coin bag but was large enough to hold a deck of cards. So at the correct time the invisible deck appeared inside the bag. This routine was not done in a close up situation but I'd think that the bag could work for you.
Message: Posted by: mmreed (Apr 20, 2008 10:01AM)
You could do a deck from deck using a deck shell. Lay one deck out... then produce a second deck from it just as you would using an expanded shell coin.

I have a deck shell and its pretty useful in many effects. I started using one after stocking them for my online store. I started out using it for deck switches, but so many other ideas came to mind.

if your hands are sized for it, maybe palm a deck or possibly a cuff hide?
Message: Posted by: Mr. Ree (Apr 20, 2008 03:06PM)
Very helpful indeed.

1. "Chill Pack" Carneycopia.
2. sleeving
3. double-chambered whatever (box, a bag, your jacket pocket, etc.)
4. regular deck switch
5. plain paper bag (You hear and see something fall into the bag and you dump out the visible invisible deck.)
6. Elevator Box
7. just put it on your knee
8. good, casual yet startling appearance of a deck being done by a lady performer
9. Fantasio "Deck Switcher"
10. (large) mesh coin bag
11. deck shell
12. maybe palm a deck or possibly a cuff hide

As I have started experimenting with some of the ideas that have been kindly offer here, it has become obvious, at least to me, that I will be using more than just one solution. As the “environment” changes I may need to change the approach to making the deck of cards appear.

Once in awhile I am sitting, most of the time I am standing. And I have used this for as few as (1) and as many as (25-30). I am also developing slightly different routines based on the environment.

The invisible deck routine has been working so well that I just received my order that had a jumbo invisible deck.
Message: Posted by: Poliphilo (Apr 20, 2008 03:33PM)
A shimmed box and use of magnets brings about a whole host of different ideas on how to make the deck appear.
Message: Posted by: Mr. Ree (Apr 29, 2008 02:49AM)
Thanks to everyone that took the time to post.

It is now just over a week later.

I have tried many of the above recommendations and I
am moving forward with 3 of the ideas shared in this thread.

Not to "slight" any of the recommendations, pun intended,
but the methods I'm working on right now were selected based
on what works in my current invisible deck routine(s) and my
present skill level. (Not extremely high, but improving.)
Message: Posted by: Magic Enhancer (Apr 29, 2008 08:37AM)
Jay Sankey'snew DVD, "Invisible" is an awesome reference for this and everything else related to the invisible deck. Highly recommended.

Robert Haas
Message: Posted by: qureyoon (Apr 29, 2008 09:55PM)
David Stone has a nice deck production in his DVD, Real Secrets of Magic Vol 1. If my memory serves me correct.

David Stone mostly do performance standing, so I think it will suit you ;)

Basically, it's Sl**v*ng, and it uses a Flash Paper, which surely catch attention ;)

Very nice one.
Message: Posted by: Mr. Ree (Apr 30, 2008 06:23PM)
Robert/qureyoon: Just learned an important lesson. I have both of
these disks here in my library. But I only picked specific things to watch
on each DVD and never saw what each of you just mentioned.

Thanks for the comments. I don't even have to wait "for the order to arrive."
Message: Posted by: DonHarlan (May 2, 2008 07:14PM)
[quote]
On 2008-04-29 22:55, qureyoon wrote:
David Stone has a nice deck production in his DVD, Real Secrets of Magic Vol 1. If my memory serves me correct.

David Stone mostly do performance standing, so I think it will suit you ;)

Basically, it's Sl**v*ng, and it uses a Flash Paper, which surely catch attention ;)

Very nice one.
[/quote]


I think David Stone also uses a t**k* production that he combined with this.
Message: Posted by: whitjm5 (May 7, 2008 10:55PM)
Today I did this with the card box in my shirt pocked (no jacket). Opened the top of the card box (leaving it in my pocket) and pulled out the 'invisible' deck and let person shuffle. Replaced 'invisible' deck into box and tapped twice to make it 'visible'. Just impromptu, but worked in a pinch. ;)
Message: Posted by: ferrissteve (May 10, 2008 10:11AM)
Its been said but sleeving would be an excellent idea, that or possbily using a holdout.
Message: Posted by: feifei (May 13, 2008 07:21AM)
I didn't see sudden deck mentioned here. To make a deck appear I feel that David Regal's Sudden Deck 2 will do the job well also. Have an envelope laying on the table, and after all your initial patter about the invisible deck, open the envelope and take out the blank piece of card board/box and ask if they specs know what it is, give them one piece and explain to them that that's how a card box would start of as, and then start to magically print the box and fold it, then suddenly you seem to have made the card deck appear as well and pour it out of the box. And now you can continue with the initial routine.
Message: Posted by: dooblehorn (May 22, 2008 07:36PM)
Feifei, I was not familiar with Sudden Deck 2; not only is it a great effect, it's perfect for Invisible deck...! Thx
Message: Posted by: John Long (May 24, 2008 12:07PM)
I think it is Fantasm magic that sells a trick where you wrap the *invisible* ID up in a cloth and tie a ribbon around it - and the ribbon and cloth clearly show the shape of a deck. I think you open it up, and show it to be invisible. Do the bit with the invisible ID, and then suddenly the deck becomes visible in the cloth. You would then do the revelation.

In the demo, it looked very nice. You will get the special cloth, and apparently instructions on how to make the appearance (which I think is slight of hand and misdirection)


I've wanted to then be able to make the deck invisible again (dissappear).Any thoughts?

John
If you can't find it online at their site, pm me and I will check on the source.
Message: Posted by: Dynamike (May 24, 2008 12:40PM)
Ben Salinas has a DVD out regarding the Invisible Deck. He has the deck palmed in his hand, plam down. When he ask for the deck back he brings his hands to their's and turns it face up as he brings it away.
Message: Posted by: michaelmagicart (May 24, 2008 02:46PM)
At a key point in the routine I would secretly secure the deck in a "Tenkai", then as I requested the spectator to toss the invisible deck back to me, I would apparently catch it at the fingertips. It always brought a gasp from the crowd.
Message: Posted by: Mr. Ree (May 26, 2008 05:33PM)
Magic Enhancer: Jay Sankey's new DVD, "Invisible".
Got more out of this than expected.

jinx8107 and Michaelmagicart:
Thanks I had never heard of this type of “handling” before.

whitjm5: Reallyl shows that “kiss” can apply here.

feifei: I have been very happy with everything I have
from David Regal. Sudden Deck 2 has more than one application for me.
(Thanks for helping me spend some money.) :)

Dynamike: I did not catch this at first but there are more people using
some type of "palming of a deck" than I originally realized. I noticed this as
I have gone back and watched various DVDs that I have on the invisible deck.

John Long: Thanks for the heads up on this method. It is interesting that
the cloth shows the shape of deck.
Message: Posted by: John Long (May 27, 2008 03:22PM)
The name of the Fantasm product is Paranormal Deck. You get the special cloth and an ID.

If you do a web search, you will be able to find an online demo.
Message: Posted by: Magic Enhancer (May 28, 2008 01:54PM)
Not a problem Mr. Ree, you're very welcome...

Robert Haas
Message: Posted by: Kit (May 30, 2008 08:56AM)
Hi Mr. Ree.

There is a great deck production by David Stone in his Secrets of Magic DVD set.
Message: Posted by: Terry Owens (May 30, 2008 05:51PM)
I use the cheap empire mesh egg bag and gut it...it makes a nice production bag for invisible cards. I used it the other night...I like the sound of gasps.
Message: Posted by: Mike Melito (May 30, 2008 07:06PM)
To be honest I keep mine out on the table. It's in plain sight the whole time. Emphasizes the fact it's not been touched. I start off "Here's my deck, you can use this one (invisible one)"
Message: Posted by: squando (Aug 26, 2008 10:25AM)
I sleeve or with out sleeves I have the ultra mental deck in my pocket. I turn my back when the specator is looking at the invisible card and turning it around, "so I don't see anything." I casually place it hand in pocket, palm card case, kind of place it against thigh. I ask for spectator to toss the (invisible) deck in its case to me. I reach up and time it as if I am catching the deck. If timed right it is surprisingly strong to some. Others know what is going on so it is a gag. Works well for me.
Message: Posted by: Papasmurf (Aug 26, 2008 12:36PM)
For a parlour setting I use Corradin Box by Anton Corradin to introduce the Invisible Deck.

Eric
Message: Posted by: MrAlex (Aug 26, 2008 01:37PM)
I really like the bag idea.

I recently saw a nice reveal trick done using a bag and it really added to the main effect.

For me it added an extra wow factor that I got from the performance when compared to the version without the bag reveal.
Message: Posted by: Waterloophai (Jun 7, 2009 07:14AM)
I do "the invisible deck" for over twenty years, but with a... MINIdeck of bicycles.
It is in my left coat pocket and on the table lays approx. 20cm of flashcord.
I go to my pocket and palm the minideck (very easy). I take the falshcord from the table and take it between thumb and first finger of the hand that is palming the minideck.
I produce a lit match, the flashcord goes up in a flash and with a circular movement the minideck appears.
I have allways had very good reactions.
Message: Posted by: electric.ceu (Jun 7, 2009 10:00AM)
I make-believe "throw" the invisible deck out to an audience member while it is still invisible. As they go through the routine of removing the invisible deck from the box, shuffling, picking a card and turning it over, etc. there is perfect misdirection to get the invisible deck from my pocket into a palm position against my side. When they pretend to throw the deck back to me I bring the palmed deck up in front of me along with my other hand in order to catch the deck and then I let go of the deck and let it spin up above my hands about 2 to 4 inches before catching it in my hands. It catches people by surprise.
Message: Posted by: Magnus Eisengrim (Jun 7, 2009 11:41AM)
David Regal's Sudden Deck 2 might suit your needs. You show a sheet of cardboard, fold it into a deck box and remove a deck of cards from it. Very nice.

John
Message: Posted by: Waterloophai (Jun 7, 2009 06:59PM)
[quote]
On 2009-06-07 12:41, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:
David Regal's Sudden Deck 2 might suit your needs. You show a sheet of cardboard, fold it into a deck box and remove a deck of cards from it. Very nice.

John
[/quote]

Sudden Deck is indeed a very nice and surprising trick, but.... it is not angle-free.
Beautifull trick but not suiteble for tablehopping in a restaurant.
Message: Posted by: Chappo (Jun 7, 2009 07:58PM)
Is it just me or has no one mentioned Trevor Duffy's Deck Dropper? Or have I broken some silent taboo by saying that it's a decent tool for workers? :)

Either way, I've had success in using this utility device in 'deck appearance' routines IE: Invisible deck in particular. It's a fiendishly clever design and I've hardly had any problems with it.
Message: Posted by: The_Outlaw (Jun 7, 2009 08:05PM)
[quote]
On 2008-04-17 16:58, Mr. Ree wrote:
The invisible deck is working quite nicely as part of my close-up routines.
This is slowly evolving and becoming more of my own every performance.

When it's time I would like to try to make the deck of “invisible” cards appear in
some fashion. Rather than just pulling a deck out of a shirt pocket or such.

What are the options of making a deck of cards appear?

So far I received one comment about sleeving are there any
other options?

Thanks in advance.
[/quote]

Try hiding the deck in a paper sack. Hold the sack upside down to feign emptiness. Toss the imaginary deck towards the folks and perform the usual patter.
Have the folks toss the imaginary deck towards you, then catch it into the sack.
Reach into the sack and remove the real deck.
I saw this performance being done and it was very effective i.m.o.