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Topic: Joshua Jay - Talk about Trick (Ten for Ten)
Message: Posted by: Fingers_Fidge (May 4, 2008 11:14AM)
I recently saw Joshua Jay lecture at the Circle in London a most enjoyable lecture. Aftwards Joshua did some impromptu Close up, one of the effects was the effect where he gets a spec to deal out a number of cards and then at the end reveals the top card of each pile being the same a 4 spot. He mentioned it was on his latest DVD's Talk about Tricks, however this is performance only. This seems to be Yves Doumergue effect and was published in a french version of Joshua's column. There was an e-mail address has anyone been able to obtain any instructions for this effect, is it available to buy.

Cheers
Message: Posted by: bugjack (May 4, 2008 12:22PM)
I love this trick too -- it's probably the most annoying of the generally annoying "performance only" segments of the otherwise good "Talk about Tricks" DVDs. I remember when Doug Nicols (where has he been?) posted his mammoth review he said he was going to email Yves, whose email address comes up on the screen, to find out how to obtain the trick. I did the same but got no response. It would appear that the trick is in the September, 2003 issue of "Magic," but that issue is sold out. Maybe your post will stir up some interest and we'll find out where to obtain this routine.
Message: Posted by: Fingers_Fidge (May 4, 2008 12:49PM)
I have certainly found a lot of mentions of the effect but no one who has actually obtained a copy. However, if this was in September 2003 edition of Magic it shouldn't be hard to track down. The Magic Circle has a full set of Magic Magazines so I should be able to find the specific effect. I was under the misunderstanding that this was issued as a french only item (which would make sense).

Thanks for the Info. Will report back on my search.
Message: Posted by: Christopher Williams (May 4, 2008 01:07PM)
This is one of the best effects ever created, however, I find it plays better to Magicians than laymen. I have only performed it a couple of times to a lay audience, but the reactions have never matched that of a Magician audience
Message: Posted by: bugjack (May 4, 2008 04:10PM)
When I googled I found that the September, 2003 issue of magic is a French-themed issue with a contribution by Yves. I couldn't find a TOC, however, so it's possible that the contribution is not "Ten for Ten." I'm just guessing it is.
Message: Posted by: Xpilot (May 4, 2008 04:58PM)
Ten For Ten is (one of the) contributions in the September 2003 issue of Magic.
Message: Posted by: Fingers_Fidge (May 4, 2008 05:23PM)
Thanks for the update guys I will be searching out the back copy of Magic very soon.

Cheers
Message: Posted by: Yves Doumergue (May 6, 2008 05:18PM)
HI,

In fact this trick and the concepts behind it has little brothers and sisters. I'm actually finishing a pamphlet on this concept with 3 effects :
10 for 10
20 for 20
10966910 (this one really hurts)

This pampllet is delayed by my new trick MAYAN . So I'll keep you informed.

Thanks for your warm comments on the effect.

Yves
Message: Posted by: Christopher Williams (May 6, 2008 05:27PM)
[quote]
On 2008-05-06 18:18, Yves Doumergue wrote:
HI,

In fact this trick and the concepts behind it has little brothers and sisters. I'm actually finishing a pamphlet on this concept with 3 effects :
10 for 10
20 for 20
10966910 (this one really hurts)

This pampllet is delayed by my new trick MAYAN . So I'll keep you informed.

Thanks for your warm comments on the effect.

Yves
[/quote]

Wow! Looking forward to it Yves!
Message: Posted by: Iain Moran (May 7, 2008 05:17AM)
I bought the CD-ROM version of Ripped And Restored from Hank Lee a few years ago, which included as a bonus, a performance and explanation of Ten for Ten.

I'm not sure if it is still available, since Yves later released Ripped And Restored as a DVD which doesn't (as far as I'm aware) include Ten for Ten.

Hope this helps.

It's a great effect and well worth tracking down.

Iain.
Message: Posted by: doug brewer (May 7, 2008 10:05AM)
This is actually based on a very old principle (I think I've seen Eugene Burger do some kind of prediction effect with two cards with it), but Yves has taken it a bit further down the impossibility road. If you watch the effect a couple times you should be able to reverse engineer it. I performed this for awhile and got really nice reactions. There are some gambits I'm sure Yves discusses if the spectator's deal doesn't go exactly as planned, but I kind of worked those out as I went along. Reminds me of Jennings' Prefiguration routine.
Message: Posted by: bugjack (May 8, 2008 11:18AM)
I can reverse engineer some of it, but the very aspects of the trick that I think caused it to be referred to by Christopher Williams, above, as something of a trick for magicians are what throw me off. I'd probably do better if I saw two different performances of it rather than one twice.

It's funny, because there are certainly other tricks I can do that would be quite similar in the layman's eyes. A good "Spectator Cuts the Aces" is just as amazing, "Out of this World" is statistically much more so, and I remember seeing a similar effect with a very different methodology by Alan Ackerman, that uses the Prophecy move for two of the cards. But the spec shuffles and little convincers all add nice touches to this routine.

This thread reminded me about this trick, and I found a Magic, Sept. 2003 on eBay, but perhaps I'll wait for Yves booklet for the suped-up versions.
Message: Posted by: baou1986 (May 11, 2008 08:56AM)
I have the explanation video for ten for then.But the method doesn't work for every layman.
What I know is,it doesn't work for asia layman,it is not a asia layman style to let it works.
Message: Posted by: msc455magic (May 22, 2008 11:21AM)
[quote]
On 2008-05-11 09:56, baou1986 wrote:
What I know is,it doesn't work for asia layman,it is not a asia layman style to let it works.
[/quote]
That is a poor speculation. In fact, most of my audience are asians and I have been performing this to very great success! I guess the outcome of an effect depends more on the performer than the modus operandi of the trick.

My 2 NT's,
Charles
Message: Posted by: matt.magicman (May 24, 2008 01:20PM)
Which disc is the performance on talk about tricks?
I couldn't find it....?
Message: Posted by: houston_3721 (May 24, 2008 02:14PM)
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On 2008-05-24 14:20, matt.magicman wrote:
Which disc is the performance on talk about tricks?
I couldn't find it....?
[/quote]
Disc 1.

I can't stress how badly I want to learn it when I first saw the performance in the DVD.
Message: Posted by: deadcatbounce (May 26, 2008 05:53AM)
It seems clear to me, unless I'm missing something, that this can be reverse engineered. But perhaps, for the sake of cleanliness, it may be easier to go into another routine if it doesn't work out right at the beginning. It DOES play better for magicians - lay people kind of expect stuff like this, I find. I personally think it's a great routine, and I think it was one of the best effects on the Joshua Jay disc (1).

I caught his lecture at Davenposrts, London, last week, and I'm pleased to say it was one of the best lectures I've seen - great effects - great performance & explanations, and a nice sense of humour. And as an added bonus - he didn't spit when he talks!

Regards,

DCB
Message: Posted by: Antoine_magicien (May 15, 2015 05:41AM)
Do anyone has the pamphlet written by Yves Doumergue containing the 3 effects :
10 for 10
20 for 20
10966910

if you have it, please contact me
Message: Posted by: magicphill (May 21, 2015 12:19PM)
I could be wrong but I think this was only ever talked about and not actually released. If you can track down the original magazine though this is a nice little routine that's easy to pull off
Message: Posted by: Phatmeat (Feb 7, 2016 02:06PM)
I managed to track down a performance video of Yves Doumergue's "Ten for Ten" effect as performed by Joshua Jay on his L&L Talk About Tricks DVD set: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cB5YOrYWpbw
Message: Posted by: greig ewen (Feb 16, 2016 02:02PM)
Really good trick, first saw it on Joshua's Talk about Tricks which in turn made me rummage around to try and find Magic Magazine Sept issue. I think when the spectator places the last two cards on the same packet the convoluted solution imho given in the explanation just doesn't fit with me and that's why I don't perform it much, not clever enough to come up with a suitable solution. Really like the effect though and very mind boggling. :stout:

Greig.
Message: Posted by: Sean Macfarlane (Feb 26, 2016 01:11AM)
I've been doing this effect lately and I also find it doesn't play as strong to laymen as it does to magicians. My go-to four card coincidence routine is one from Ramon Rioboo's book "Thinking the Impossible" It plays better for me for laymen.

I've also been trying to Benjamin Earl's routine from his notes "F for Fiction" it's good but the procedure is a tad complicated for laymen to grasp. I haven't figured out how to make it easy to follow my instructions so I can get the maximum impact. I'll be sticking with Ramon's routine for now.
Message: Posted by: JSBLOOM (Jan 1, 2021 04:48PM)
I just watched it on my DVD and the fact they shuffle cards is pretty darn impressive IMHO.
Once down to two cards to deal, pretty clear what you need to do once cards are dealt.
Need to be quick on feet.....
You already discarded cards once, right? '
Message: Posted by: JSBLOOM (Jan 1, 2021 06:02PM)
Or since you flip over the face up pile down after the 1st deal, flip the remaining cards face up
They deal starting into two piles again, but deal face up or FLIP face down...
Once down, you flip these entire packets over
Of course, this method would work best forcing 4 indifferent cards which is my main focus since 7QA3 basically spell "LOVE"