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Message: Posted by: Theodore Lawton (Jun 2, 2008 08:07PM)
Not exactly the best science, but I love this stupid show. Tim's pop rocks post in the other thread got me thinking about some memorable episodes. Here's a couple:

1. The guy who tried to fly in a lawn chair with lots of balloons. Doable and dangerous and just recently a Catholic priest disappeared trying to do this stunt as a fund raiser. Yikes. I feel sorry for him, but that is an almost automatic Darwin award.

2. The guy who farted himself to death. Supposedly he ate too many beans and cabbage and died of the gas in his sleep. Busted

3. Can you get the smell of death out of a car? They left a dead pig in a car for a good while in a storage container out in the sun, then put on hazmat suits and tried to clean it. Disgusting! Television doesn't get much more cerebral than this! :lol:

Anyone else like this show? I mean, if you like explosions and/or guns you have to like Mythbusters!

4. Using dynamite to clean a cement mixer. Busted, but what a cool explosion!
Message: Posted by: MagiClyde (Jun 2, 2008 10:18PM)
[quote] Using dynamite to clean a cement mixer. Busted, but what a cool explosion! [/quote]

If you're talking about half a cement truck load that has had a chance to harden, then yes, the myth's busted. On the other hand, they did show that dynamite in a truck with traces around the mixing blades was quite doable.

As for the explosion, it is one of the best I've ever seen! First you see the cement truck, now you don't!!! No cloth covering required! ;)


[quote] The guy who farted himself to death. Supposedly he ate too many beans and cabbage and died of the gas in his sleep. Busted [/quote]

I've heard another variation on this story where the guy supposedly sealed all the doors and windows in his house, ate nothing but beans and cabbage, then gassed himself to death that way!
Message: Posted by: Doug Higley (Jun 3, 2008 01:57PM)
But that stupid fey girlie hat is a bit much. I only have so much tolerance for 'reality' TV so I jumped ship on the boys and took up 'Pinks' as a guilty plasure. :)
Message: Posted by: Theodore Lawton (Jun 3, 2008 06:27PM)
I haven't watched it much lately either as my wife HATES it.

clynim-They tried to seal a small room they constructed and found the amount of methane required was too much and the seal insufficient. What a way to commit suicide!? BTW-where are you in Columbus? I grew up there and in Westerville. I used to live by Cleveland Ave + 161 area. It's gone downhill in the past 20 years!
Message: Posted by: Margarette (Jun 3, 2008 09:59PM)
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On 2008-06-02 21:07, Preston68 wrote:
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4. Using dynamite to clean a cement mixer. Busted, but what a cool explosion!
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First, I will apologize for what I'm about to type. It has nothing to do with the topic at hand, but it does involve a HUGE pet peeve of mine. The terms "cement" and "concrete" are NOT interchangeable. The huge rotating drum that discharges a mixture composed of water, aggregates, cement, and admixtures is a CONCRETE mixer, not a cement mixer. Cement is a pozzolanic material that has cohesive properties and is an ingredient in concrete. Concrete is a mixture of cement, aggregates (both coarse and fine), water, and any applicable admixtures (air entraining agent, retarder, accelerator, etc). I spent almost ten years working in research involving cement and concrete mix designs.

If I had seen that episode of MythBusters, they would have gotten a "viewer comment" from me if I had heard them say "cement mixer." I even sent a letter to Tom Clancy (I'm sure he never read it), because one of his books kept saying "cement mixer."

Now, to comment on Myth Busters. I watch the show when I can. I don't seek it out or set my schedule to watch it, but if I'm flipping channels and it's on, I'll watch it.

Margarette
Message: Posted by: Tim Jahn (Jun 4, 2008 11:16AM)
So wait a minute.

Concrete contains cement, And a mixer mixes the cement with the other components. So cement mixer is not far off. It IS mixing in the cement, Isn't it? If your thinking in terms of what comes out of the mixer, That's concrete. Not cement. But I could see how the mixer could be called both.

I've been around this stuff for a long time. Since I was a little kid helping my dad and I've heard it both ways. I think that they are both correct.

Anyway, When the term "Cement mixer" is used, Everyone knows whats being talked about.

As far as Mythbusters goes, I do like the show. I'm the same way as Margarette, If I find it flipping through the channels, I'll stop and watch it. They do have some pretty neat stuff on the show.
Message: Posted by: Jsmith45 (Jun 5, 2008 07:34PM)
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On 2008-06-04 12:16, Tim Jahn wrote:
If your thinking in terms of what comes out of the mixer, That's concrete. Not cement.
[/quote]

Interesting.
Would it also be considered "wet cement?"
Message: Posted by: Theodore Lawton (Jun 5, 2008 09:08PM)
Just watched it last night for the first time in a long while. The wife's staying with her mom who just had surgery.

They proved the "myth" of drafting a semi helps improve gas mileage. Pretty much a no-brainer, but I was impressed by the numbers. And Grant drove two feet away from the back of a semi going 55 mph!

The other story was, "will flying debris from a semi tire blow-out take your head off?" lol Time well spent! They built a rubber flinger and; of course, a ballistics gel head complete with a pig spine. They threw a piece of truck tire through a car window and beheaded the dummy. Pretty cool stuff.

My question is, "Why don't they teach science in schools with these methods?" It is interesting, teaches how to form a hypothesis, establish baseline controls and perform experiments. I think lots of kids could benefit from a science course based on these shows. Certainly not college material, but it could work with the younger kids to get them interested in science.

.02$
Message: Posted by: daver (Jun 5, 2008 11:03PM)
I don't disagree in principle, but in practice, do you really think the kids will heed the "Don't try this yourself.... ever...." message?

I know as a kid I would not have, nor many of my friends, nor even the kids of my friends today. I'm an adult and at times I try some stuff that should give me a Darwin runner-up ;-)

We need to get em more interested in science but without the Boom, crack, splash or pistol shot.
Message: Posted by: Tim Jahn (Jun 6, 2008 08:02AM)
[quote]
On 2008-06-05 20:34, Jsmith45 wrote:
[quote]
On 2008-06-04 12:16, Tim Jahn wrote:
If your thinking in terms of what comes out of the mixer, That's concrete. Not cement.
[/quote]

Interesting.
Would it also be considered "wet cement?"
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I don't know. Good question!

Anyway...Most of the people I know just call it "cement" whether its dry or not. Probably not 100% accurate, But its pretty much part of the culture now. I remember seeing bills that my dad had from "H&G Cement". Not "H&G concrete". And one of the bills I remember was for 285 sq. ft. of "Cement". Besides... We always called it a "Cement" truck.

I think we were just getting hung up on an issue of semantics anyway.

Ahhhh... Back to the topic I guess.

Tim
Message: Posted by: Scott Cram (Jun 13, 2008 08:50PM)
Quick answer to the cement/concrete conundrum: People often confuse cement and concrete. Just remember that cement is to concrete as flour is to bread. You should also remember that the shorter word (cement) is just one part of the longer word (concrete).
Message: Posted by: cns (Jun 15, 2008 05:39PM)
I'm actually sitting here laughing out loud.
Why, because once again it only took one person to change the "thought" or "Intent" of a post.
Why do people feel the urge to do such a thing?
There really must be a better way for each to express or brag about what we know withought changing the topic.
so, to answer Preston's questions....
Yes, I do like the show, it may or may not be as accurate as we'd like to believe but non the less, it is actually one of the few shows (IMO), that entertains me.
Message: Posted by: Theodore Lawton (Jun 15, 2008 10:30PM)
This thread is concrete evidence of ridikerousness.

I liked the episode where they built a "tower" in the shop made out of something like gas and soap bubbles and then lit it on fire. Whoosh! Tired of flash paper? Try new Flash Gas! haha-
Message: Posted by: soccergod (Jun 17, 2008 09:45AM)
That was my favorite episode preston It was just a huge tower of fire.
Message: Posted by: Nell (Jul 3, 2008 02:41PM)
Speaking of people flying in lawn chairs adorned with balloons:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080703/ap_on_fe_st/flying_lawn_chair;_ylt=AqdzI.w9SS3dG9xDt8R869MZ.3QA
Message: Posted by: Aaron Little (Jul 13, 2008 06:19PM)
I enjoy the show even if I do not always agree with their out results. Sometimes I think they are too quick to call a claimed skill busted when they cannot duplicate it.
Message: Posted by: Tim Jahn (Jul 14, 2008 08:51AM)
[quote]
On 2008-06-15 18:39, cns wrote:
I'm actually sitting here laughing out loud.
Why, because once again it only took one person to change the "thought" or "Intent" of a post.
Why do people feel the urge to do such a thing?
There really must be a better way for each to express or brag about what we know withought changing the topic.
[/quote]

Like posting to brag about knowing when others are braging?

OK :whatthe:
Message: Posted by: MagiClyde (Jul 19, 2008 12:28PM)
[quote]I enjoy the show even if I do not always agree with their out results. Sometimes I think they are too quick to call a claimed skill busted when they cannot duplicate it.[/quote]

I came to that conclusion as well. What they CAN do is prove a myth as plausible or confirmed. What really gets me is that duplicating the conditions of the original myth is almost impossible, thus making any "busted" myth questionable. Sometimes it's the really rare and quarky occurances that make a myth true, even if you can't duplicate it under test conditions.

Two myths they tested had something to do with an airline hostess falliing from a plane and another about a bombadeer that fell out of his plane from at least 12,000 ft. without a parachute (!) and an explosion at a paris rail station actually cushioned his fall and he survived! These stories of miraculous survival are true and documented, but the Mythbusters were not able to duplicate the conditions that allowed them to live. On their own, the tests would have busted these as pure myth.
Message: Posted by: Jimeh (Jul 30, 2008 01:50AM)
I liked the episode where the construction worker falls off one of the floors of a building under construction and glides to another floor as a result of holding on to a sheet of plywood.

Or the one where they test out myths on how to cool beer....mmmmm beer (LOL)

Poor 'Buster' though....
Message: Posted by: critter (Aug 21, 2008 08:01PM)
Mythbusters is fun. Remember when Ricky Jay was on the throwing cards episode?
That was awesome!
Message: Posted by: gimpy2 (Oct 5, 2008 11:20PM)
I love the show,just think what you could build out of all that stuff in that shop.
Message: Posted by: montymagi (Nov 25, 2008 09:56AM)
I loved the beer one.
Message: Posted by: ryansmagic (Nov 26, 2008 02:48PM)
I think Adam Savage must be a magician of some sort. On the one show they meshed 2 phone books together page by page. Adam said "for the magician watching this is a pharaoh shuffle"....
Message: Posted by: 0pus (Nov 26, 2008 03:04PM)
"faro"
Message: Posted by: Todd Robbins (Dec 4, 2008 04:50PM)
Adam does have a background in magic.
Message: Posted by: Dr. Reneau (Dec 9, 2008 01:34PM)
My question is, "Why don't they teach science in schools with these methods?"

Insurance. But it would be a lot more fun and some knowledge might actually be retained by the mushy little brains.
Message: Posted by: asithlord (May 5, 2009 05:04PM)
I love the show but mostly find the results questionable, they try to light fuel when its wet, its the VAPOUR that's flamable, they should know that I mean come on
and they miss flash points, and other fire related logic like
heat, fuel, oxygen is all it takes for ignition not sparks. the tyre burn out is definetely possible under those conditions.
as a hypnotist I felt they totaly blew their tests and never gave it a proper try I reckon I could have acheived the goals they set and missed.
never miss it tho great show, great guys.
much love
Message: Posted by: salmononius2 (Jul 1, 2009 07:37PM)
[quote]
On 2008-11-26 15:48, ryansmagic wrote:
I think Adam Savage must be a magician of some sort. On the one show they meshed 2 phone books together page by page. Adam said "for the magician watching this is a pharaoh shuffle"....
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Yeah, a friend and I saw this and tried it out (the friend isn't a magician though). It's true, we couldn't pull the phone books apart! Best waste of 20 minutes to 'faro' the pages together :D!
Message: Posted by: Mr. Woolery (Aug 6, 2009 06:16PM)
I enjoy the show, too. I don't have cable TV, so my father in law tapes the shows and mails us VHS tapes every few months. My wife actually likes it better than I do.

The card-throwing episode was a lot of fun. I remember actually seeing the book by Ricky Jay in a bookstore as a kid and thinking it had to be a joke.

The hypnosis episode was interesting. What I found really kind of cool was that I felt the results were better with the "stage hypnotist" and his speed induction than with the shrink who used a therapy-type induction. They didn't repeat the test on Grant (though that would have been the perfect time to include a PHS for him to paint on his robot), which was a shame.

Also, I do some metal working and I've had hammer spall on me and fling little chips. They did an episode with the claim that hammers can't do that. I still have the remains of one hammer that I wish I could replace. Wonderful, except for the big chip on the main face. And they should have had someone who actually knows how to heat-treat steel do it in that episode. This is my personal peeve.

Overall, though, lots of fun. Where else are you going to see people underwater shooting blowdarts in one episode and attempting to make a flying raft in another?

-Patrick
Message: Posted by: robini (Aug 7, 2009 05:10PM)
[quote]
On 2009-07-01 20:37, salmononius2 wrote:
[quote]
On 2008-11-26 15:48, ryansmagic wrote:
I think Adam Savage must be a magician of some sort. On the one show they meshed 2 phone books together page by page. Adam said "for the magician watching this is a pharaoh shuffle"....
[/quote]

Yeah, a friend and I saw this and tried it out (the friend isn't a magician though). It's true, we couldn't pull the phone books apart! Best waste of 20 minutes to 'faro' the pages together :D!
[/quote]

Without having actually tried it, unless I could somehow manage to pull off a [i]real[/i] faro shuffle with phone books, I'm guessing that, even with help, it might take me a [i]lot[/i] longer than 20 minutes to 'faro' the pages of two phone books together -- at least unless I lived in a much smaller town with a much smaller phone book.
Message: Posted by: MrGreggy (Oct 15, 2009 07:37AM)
I love Mythbusters! I have a TV celebrity crush on Kari Byron.
Message: Posted by: Rory Raven (Oct 30, 2009 02:36PM)
I saw her first!
Message: Posted by: magicFreak2 (Dec 4, 2009 09:06AM)
[quote]
On 2008-06-02 21:07, Preston68 wrote:
Not exactly the best science, but I love this stupid show. Tim's pop rocks post in the other thread got me thinking about some memorable episodes. Here's a couple:

1. The guy who tried to fly in a lawn chair with lots of balloons. Doable and dangerous and just recently a Catholic priest disappeared trying to do this stunt as a fund raiser. Yikes. I feel sorry for him, but that is an almost automatic Darwin award.
[/quote]

Well he survived so I guess he doesn't get the award ;)

[quote]
2. The guy who farted himself to death. Supposedly he ate too many beans and cabbage and died of the gas in his sleep. Busted
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lol

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3. Can you get the smell of death out of a car? They left a dead pig in a car for a good while in a storage container out in the sun, then put on hazmat suits and tried to clean it. Disgusting! Television doesn't get much more cerebral than this! :lol:

Anyone else like this show? I mean, if you like explosions and/or guns you have to like Mythbusters!

4. Using dynamite to clean a cement mixer. Busted, but what a cool explosion!
[/quote]

I love Mythbusters. Just watched them recreate a paper crossbow made by a prisoner that sunk one inch into a fellow prisoner's jugular. :D And it worked.
Message: Posted by: DATMagic (May 1, 2010 10:51PM)
Isn't there a rumor that Kari and one of the guys were dating? Is he the father of her child?
Message: Posted by: lemon ice (Jun 24, 2010 01:58AM)
This is possibly my favorite show of all time. The science isn't always perfect, but Adam and Jamie are experienced in many different disciplines and are in fact experts in many different fields.

Sometimes they don't or can't do all the extensive testing that would really be necessary to bust or confirm each myth. They have even admitted this themselves on many occasions. However on more than one occasion they have also said that they cut out a lot of the repeat tests that they did do. So there's often a lot more testing and tinkering than will actually make it to television. They do the best they can, they consult with experts, they work on many of these projects for weeks and sometimes months or longer, and they have a lot of help with research and building behind the scenes too.

One reason I like MythBusters (besides the fact that they blow stuff up a lot) is that even when they bust a myth, they will often go to great lengths to achieve the desired results anyway, which is a lot of fun to watch.

Another reason I like the show is just how real they are when they're not doing some of the cheesy scripted stuff. You can really see how much fun they're having, and how thoughtful they really are about this stuff. I also love the fact that they can go back and revisit a myth and admit that they were wrong. That's part of what science is all about; going where the evidence leads even if it means finding out and admitting that you were wrong.

@DATMagic Kari is married to Paul Urich.
Message: Posted by: jem368 (Dec 13, 2010 04:21AM)
I adore this show! Although their DVD system bewilders me. (putting random episodes from different seasons together? Really?)
Message: Posted by: Mike Maturen (Mar 11, 2011 07:16AM)
Having worked in the concrete industry, you must have heard of the Concrete Tech program at Alpena Community College in Michigan. Right next to Besser Concrete.


[quote]
On 2008-06-03 22:59, Margarette wrote:
[quote]
On 2008-06-02 21:07, Preston68 wrote:
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4. Using dynamite to clean a cement mixer. Busted, but what a cool explosion!
[/quote]

First, I will apologize for what I'm about to type. It has nothing to do with the topic at hand, but it does involve a HUGE pet peeve of mine. The terms "cement" and "concrete" are NOT interchangeable. The huge rotating drum that discharges a mixture composed of water, aggregates, cement, and admixtures is a CONCRETE mixer, not a cement mixer. Cement is a pozzolanic material that has cohesive properties and is an ingredient in concrete. Concrete is a mixture of cement, aggregates (both coarse and fine), water, and any applicable admixtures (air entraining agent, retarder, accelerator, etc). I spent almost ten years working in research involving cement and concrete mix designs.

If I had seen that episode of MythBusters, they would have gotten a "viewer comment" from me if I had heard them say "cement mixer." I even sent a letter to Tom Clancy (I'm sure he never read it), because one of his books kept saying "cement mixer."

Now, to comment on Myth Busters. I watch the show when I can. I don't seek it out or set my schedule to watch it, but if I'm flipping channels and it's on, I'll watch it.

Margarette
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Message: Posted by: lynnef (Apr 6, 2011 01:04PM)
You can't start a gas station fire with a cell phone, in spite of warnings posted on the pumps! This was one of my favorites on the show. But my all time favorite Mythbusters show was their escape from Alcatraz .. they proved it could be done with the escapees original materials!
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Aug 23, 2011 03:42PM)
Wow great info, thanks all. :)
Message: Posted by: Dorianmagic (Sep 27, 2012 03:52PM)
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On 2011-08-23 16:42, Decomposed wrote:
Wow great info, thanks all. :)
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What kind of budget did this show have? I use the word "did" because I miss it and haven't seen it in a while. Besides all the ridiculous explosions, always fun to watch, I liked the math and physics excursions. Also, if you're interested in such things, here's one more bit of "great info: "Myth Busters co-host Adam Savage gives a fast-paced presentation on personal obsessions. Savage explains how his fascination with dodo bird skeletons eventually led to his designing of an exact bronze-cast replica of the titular statue from the 1941 Humphrey Bogart movie, The Maltese Falcon."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29SopXQfc_s
Imagine the magic props this could design
Message: Posted by: jugglestruck (Jun 14, 2013 07:15AM)
Unfortunately an unstoppable instinct refuses to let me watch a youtube that is preceeded by a 21 second advert...
Message: Posted by: Brannon (Jun 28, 2013 12:01AM)
Wow this is a really old post, but mythbusters is an amazing show. So amazing, in fact, that it taught me how to make flash cotton/nitrocellulose/gun cotton in the "Confederate Rocket" episode.