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Topic: Cannibal Cards
Message: Posted by: lcombs (Jun 8, 2008 11:57AM)
I have always loved a good Cannibal Cards routine and am looking to update the routine I learned years ago. Who, in your opinion has the better handlings out there that I can look up? Also, what are your opinions on the climax. The one I know ends with the missionaries face up in the center of the deck and you end clean with four cards in your hands.

lcombs
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jun 8, 2008 11:59AM)
Juan Tamarez.
Message: Posted by: Magicmaven (Jun 8, 2008 12:23PM)
Danny,
I didn't know Tamarez had a routine for cannibal cards. Is it published? If so, in English? If so, what book?
Thank you
Message: Posted by: michaelmystic2003 (Jun 8, 2008 12:32PM)
I like Ed Marlo's version as well as Sankey's.
Message: Posted by: Medifro (Jun 8, 2008 01:11PM)
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On 2008-06-08 13:23, Magicmaven wrote:
Danny,
I didn't know Tamarez had a routine for cannibal cards. Is it published? If so, in English? If so, what book?
Thank you
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Its in his Magic Lessons ( I think that's the name ) series VHS, vol.3, I believe they are made to DVDs, I'm not sure. You can find them with little search.

Darwin Ortiz has an excellent version in his Scams and Fantasies book. There is a version in Card College 3, I haven't read it yet so I can't comment on it.

Anyone knows where can I find the original? Thanks!

~ Feras
Message: Posted by: Mike Powers (Jun 8, 2008 01:17PM)
Bill Goodwin has a killer Cannibal Card routine in one of his lecture notes. You see 7 cards - 4 FU Cannibals and 3 FD missionaries. Then there are only 2 FD, then 1 FD then none FD. All four remaining cards are kings. There's no ditching. The handling allows the 4 K's to seem to be all 7, then 6 then 5 then 4. You don't go back to the deck to unload anything. It's beauty.

Mike
Message: Posted by: cmnipper (Jun 8, 2008 01:18PM)
Here's a few...



Ammar on ETMCM

Malone – his new DVDS

Curtis Cam – Bahamas book – and DVD

Marlo has at least a ton as well, scattered everywhere though.

Roy Walton in the - "Devils Playthings"

Darwin Ortiz – "Scam’s & Fantasies"

Tamariz – tape series

Lynn Searles

Chris Kenner – “Diet”, "Totally out of Control"

Solomon – "Solomon’s Mind"

Giobbi - “Dance of the Cannibals” – Volume 3 of Card College

Allan Ackerman – 1994 lecture notes.

Bill Goodwin – 1988 notes.

Giavonni – a set of his notes.

Ascanio – in his collected works.
Message: Posted by: Mike Powers (Jun 8, 2008 01:21PM)
Darwin's routine is very good too. I'm honored that he used (with credit of course)the vanish sequence from my Cannibals routine from Top Secret Stuff called "A Case of Indigestion."

Mike
Message: Posted by: Magicmaven (Jun 8, 2008 03:06PM)
Bill Goodwin's is very nice. It is hard to find the notes and the notes are kind of hard to follow--3 pages of solid text, no phots.
Also, good luck actually being about to perform it like Bill...
Message: Posted by: Card-Shark (Jun 8, 2008 04:06PM)
The guy is called Juan Tamariz, so if you try to search the DVD (yes, the performance is really great) use his correct name to find it.
Message: Posted by: tommy (Jun 8, 2008 04:13PM)
Eugene Burger but I have not seen any of the others that I recall. Unless I am thinking of another trick.
Message: Posted by: Magiguy (Jun 8, 2008 04:46PM)
Just adding to the list...

Alex Elmsley's "One Poor Lion."
Message: Posted by: Steven Youell (Jun 8, 2008 05:15PM)
The precursor to Cannibal Cards was in Close Up Card Magic: Apex Aces
I STILL do that trick.

SEY
Message: Posted by: magico563 (Jun 8, 2008 05:17PM)
Bill Malone teachers a cannibal cards routine in his DVD set 'here I go again'.

I found it very entertaining to watch but its not something I would personally perform in a working environment.

Hope this helps.

Thanks, magico563 :)
Message: Posted by: Nathan Kranzo (Jun 8, 2008 05:18PM)
Always loved the idea of having the cards actually eat small objects. Loved the idea of them puking up a little skeleton. : )

All the best,

Kranzo
Message: Posted by: nique (Jun 8, 2008 07:47PM)
Another vote for the routine from Ortiz. I especially like the 2nd phase with the card going into the middle of the cannibals, then without any moves the packet is spread to show the selection gone. And I feel the 2nd and 3rd phase just nicely cancels out any thoughts of a method for the spectator. Great sequence.
Message: Posted by: ghageman (Jun 8, 2008 07:50PM)
No one has mentioned one that I use and it is JJ Sanvert's cannibal card routine. It is such an entertaining routine to perform and the climax catches everyone by suprise. Without a doubt this is one of those routines which people will remember because of its entertainment value as well as the magic involved in it.

Thanks JJ!!
Message: Posted by: Mike Powers (Jun 8, 2008 08:08PM)
Nathan - you are one wacky cat!

Mike
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Jun 8, 2008 08:25PM)
[quote]
On 2008-06-08 18:15, Steven Youell wrote:
The precursor to Cannibal Cards was in Close Up Card Magic: Apex Aces
I STILL do that trick.

SEY
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Where does Lin Searles trick fit into the chronology of the effect? Cute item - even comes with tweezers and some "leftovers".
Message: Posted by: landmark (Jun 8, 2008 09:18PM)
Eek--cannibal cards? What's next-- Minstrel Mates? Please let's move on, it's 2008.

Jack Shalom
Message: Posted by: Tony Noice (Jun 8, 2008 09:40PM)
Curtis Kam does a great version in his lecture.
Message: Posted by: Austin113 (Jun 8, 2008 10:32PM)
I'm only aware of Ammar's version. It's a pretty fun routine and gets some good reactions. Fun for kids also.
Message: Posted by: msc455magic (Jun 9, 2008 12:41AM)
As mentioned above, Bill Goodwin's version in his "1988 Lecture Notes" is worth checking out. You end clean!

Charles
Message: Posted by: Suave Dan (Jun 9, 2008 01:23AM)
I use and really like Jay Sankey's version.
Message: Posted by: jocdoc (Jun 9, 2008 02:57AM)
My magic buddy, Mike Smith, taught me the moves for the Cannibal Kings the night before I left for the Niagara Comedy Magic Seminar this past April. As I arrived a day prior to the conference, I had some time on my hands and wrote a fun script/patter that works really well for me. I've posted the script on my website (without a description of the moves). Anyone is free to use it if they like it and it fits their personality. Go to http://www.medicine-in-motion.com/magic.htm and look at the bottom right corner of my magic scrapbook page. [For the record, I've never seen any other version of this routine aside from what Mike showed me.]

Incidentally, I precede Cannibal Kings with my original "voodoo version" of a trick that Bob Elliott taught me (it was the first trick that he learned). I've posted that there as well. Have fun!

jeff in san diego
Message: Posted by: Medifro (Jun 9, 2008 04:36AM)
[quote]
On 2008-06-08 18:15, Steven Youell wrote:
The precursor to Cannibal Cards was in Close Up Card Magic: Apex Aces
I STILL do that trick.

SEY
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This is one of my favorite tricks, and one of the most I worked on. I tried to find a justification for putting the final ace reversed, then show it on top .. etc.

I tried to work out another method, but the original is still the most direct with no fumbling with extra moves ..

~ Feras
Message: Posted by: lynnef (Jun 9, 2008 12:34PM)
[quote]
On 2008-06-08 22:18, landmark wrote:
Eek--cannibal cards? What's next-- Minstrel Mates? Please let's move on, it's 2008.

Jack Shalom
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The magic effect is timeless, but the patter??? Sooo... updating, I usually talk about 4 imperialist leaders (eg Bush) gobbling up smaller nations. I love this trick, though. It's so different than other card tricks!
Message: Posted by: rickmagic1 (Jun 9, 2008 12:57PM)
There is nothing at all wrong with the presentation. Is it a little dated? Maybe...but I seem to remember seeing photos on MSN recently of a tribe that was JUST discovered near Peru. If you wanted to update the presentation, that might be the way to go.

Also, we're all entitled to our opinions here, but I'm really getting sick of all the Bush slams. I'm not too crazy about what the guy's doing either, but this isn't really the place. Not to mention, calling Bush an "Imperialist" is like calling Sadam Hussein a "humanitarian".
Message: Posted by: Chris SD (Jun 9, 2008 01:16PM)
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On 2008-06-09 13:57, rickmagic1 wrote:
calling Bush an "Imperialist" is like calling Sadam Hussein a "humanitarian".
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Imperialism - the policy of extending the rule or authority of an empire or nation over foreign countries, or of acquiring and holding colonies and dependencies.

lolwut?
Message: Posted by: mackinley (Jun 10, 2008 02:44PM)
Another vote for Mr. Ortiz's, from "Scams and Fantasies." This is a great routine. He's also got a great presentation for it.
Message: Posted by: Sealegs (Jun 10, 2008 02:53PM)
No one's mentioned Walt Lee's 'Canibal Card' act... so I will/have.

Another to add to the llist is 'Missionarys' Revenge' from the book John Verse 2 which has the 3rd Missionary eating the Cannibals!

Neal.
Message: Posted by: Alewishus (Jun 10, 2008 04:44PM)
[quote]
On 2008-06-09 13:57, rickmagic1 wrote:
There is nothing at all wrong with the presentation. Is it a little dated? Maybe...but I seem to remember seeing photos on MSN recently of a tribe that was JUST discovered near Peru. If you wanted to update the presentation, that might be the way to go.
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Any word yet if this newly "discovered" tribe practices canibalism?
I can't imagine that even in this day and age one could be thin skinned about practicing canibalism.
"Thin skinned" mmmmmm.... crispy thin skinned...mouth watering....
Anyway.


A.
Message: Posted by: lcombs (Jun 10, 2008 07:04PM)
Thanks for all of the input everyone. I will go back and reread the Ortiz and Mendoza versions. How would I go about finding a copy of Bill Goodwin's 1988 Lecture notes?

Thanks again,

lcombs
Message: Posted by: Magiguy (Jun 10, 2008 08:52PM)
I only recently purchased Book of John II, and haven't yet explored much of it. Thanks for the "heads up," Neal!
Message: Posted by: Mr. Mystoffelees (Jun 10, 2008 09:34PM)
I don't think that the cannibal card effect needs "updated" at all. First, the idea of "cannibal" is best left to talking about the ancient past. Further, with the current "Indiana Jones" movie, talking about a WW2 story fits right in. Finally, it's such a great visual you would have to have the patter of Henry Kissinger to flub it up... Jim
Message: Posted by: Glenn Godsey (Jun 10, 2008 10:22PM)
It should be noted that Jon Racherbaumer, in his 1976 book, The Ascanio Spread, credits Pete Biro with an Ascanio spread version of the Cannibal Cards, although he says that Pete disclaims it. It looks as though Pete was the originator of some the patter and funny moves that have filtered down to us.

Best regards,
Glenn Godsey
Message: Posted by: andrelimantara (Jun 10, 2008 10:27PM)
Don't forget to mention Sanvert's version of Cannibal Card

It has surprise ending. Can be found in his DVD Volume 2

Thanks
Andre
Message: Posted by: rickmagic1 (Jun 10, 2008 11:03PM)
[quote]
On 2008-06-10 17:44, Alewishus wrote:

Any word yet if this newly "discovered" tribe practices canibalism?
I can't imagine that even in this day and age one could be thin skinned about practicing canibalism.
"Thin skinned" mmmmmm.... crispy thin skinned...mouth watering....
Anyway.

A.
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OH MY GOSH!! This reminded me of an episode of "Family Guy" where Stewie called his sunburn peelings "Stewie jerky"!!!

Rick
Message: Posted by: Darwin Ortiz (Jun 10, 2008 11:15PM)
[quote]
On 2008-06-08 20:47, nique wrote:
Another vote for the routine from Ortiz. I especially like the 2nd phase with the card going into the middle of the cannibals, then without any moves the packet is spread to show the selection gone. And I feel the 2nd and 3rd phase just nicely cancels out any thoughts of a method for the spectator. Great sequence.
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The credit for this very clever handling and construction goes to Mike Powers, as I mentioned in my book. My contribution was primarily in the final phase where the selected cards are reproduced. Anyone who likes my routine should also check out Mike’s version cited earlier.

Sincerely,
Darwin Ortiz
Message: Posted by: Furniture (Jun 11, 2008 06:28AM)
Hi,

Ortiz version is one of the best structured. The final addition reproducing the card is a very nice touch as people always check before where are the cards!

I also love Tamariz' presentation and Chris Kenner version
Message: Posted by: thepspdope (Jun 23, 2008 02:30AM)
I too liked Darwin Ortiz' handling and the 2nd and 3rd phases are beautifully clever, but since Darwin gives credit to Mike, therefore my vote in a way goes to Mike Powers.

Darwin, your ideas and handling are always superb, and an excellent resource for anyone.
Message: Posted by: Alewishus (Jun 23, 2008 02:35AM)
Hey, lets give credit where credit is deserved!

Here's to the epicures of the long pig!

A.
Message: Posted by: Lord Freddie (Aug 20, 2008 03:07AM)
I have recently learnt Bill Malone's version off of 'Here I Go Again - Volume 3'.
It's a good routine, though one where you need a certain amount of misdirection and confidence to pull off in places. It can only really be done seated at a table. I wonder if anyone knows of a 'in-the-hands' version?
Message: Posted by: Paul Chosse (Aug 20, 2008 04:04PM)
Best, most overlooked version ever - Stephen Minch's! Published as a single item, and long unavailable - write Minch and ask about it - it is a ton of work, but a truely exceptional piece of magical theater!

Best, PSC
Message: Posted by: Erdnase27 (Aug 20, 2008 04:12PM)
Another vote here for mr Ortiz' cannibal cards routine on his fantasies & scam DVD/book(credit goes to mike powers though) .
Great great cardmen :)
Message: Posted by: KLG (Aug 20, 2008 11:38PM)
Another vote for the Ortiz/Powers version!
Message: Posted by: van (Aug 21, 2008 10:45AM)
Minch's book "Creations of a Magical Madman" has his routine.

Book is really hard to find.

Van
Message: Posted by: KyleMacNeill (Feb 14, 2012 05:36AM)
Hey Guys,

I love the plot, everyone that likes it should check out the L+L "World's Greatest Magic: Cannibal Cards" DVD.
I really like Michael Ammar's version on that DVD!
John Mendoza also tackles the plot in his book: "John Book 2".

Also, FWIW, Me and Cameron Francis have 4 new effects based around the plot coming out soon: http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=454023&forum=218&0

Best wishes,

Kyle
Message: Posted by: Erdnase27 (Feb 14, 2012 05:46AM)
I like the version by Darwin Ortiz from Scams & Fantasies. It is the one I crrently use.
Message: Posted by: Harald (Feb 14, 2012 06:04AM)
I personally like Jean Jaques Sanvert's version a lot.