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Topic: Paul Fox (?) cups sold on Ebay for $111!
Message: Posted by: fortasse (Jun 11, 2008 01:46PM)
I'm not sure exactly what these cups are - they look to be either RNT II PF copper cups or even possibly original Paul Fox/Danny Dew cups - but in any event they sold on Ebay last night for the less than princely sum of US111! And that's after 18 bids and a 7 day listing (see Ebay item #300230660277).

What's with that? A radical market adjustment amidst growing recession perhaps?.........or just one of those things.

Whatever it is, unless I'm dead wrong about the identity of these cups, this looks to be the steal of the year so far.

Fortasse
Message: Posted by: djkuttdecks (Jun 11, 2008 02:04PM)
Do you have a link? It could very well be magic maker knock-offs... they sell for around 80-90 usd.

-DJ
Message: Posted by: Terry Holley (Jun 11, 2008 02:11PM)
Well, knowing who bought them, I'd say they're probably not MM!

Terry
Message: Posted by: silverking (Jun 11, 2008 02:17PM)
Based on the sellers description of the cups, and the fact that all their other items seem to be zip-up track jackets, I'd guess they didn't have a clue what they had in their possession.

I believe the MM "Paul Faux" cups are brass, not copper?
Message: Posted by: djkuttdecks (Jun 11, 2008 02:43PM)
No they are copper or brass... I couldn't find the listing so I am of no help. :)


Ok, I found it, and it's hard to tell. He does have other magic stuff for sale... all of which are cups and balls. Who knows.
-DJ
Message: Posted by: fortasse (Jun 11, 2008 03:22PM)
Terry has it exactly right. Considering who the buyer was, not very likely these were MM cups.

Fortasse
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Jun 11, 2008 03:23PM)
He also has costumes, etc.

I took a chance on these cups. I don't think they are MM cups. May be JES cups.

The guy really doesn't know beans about this stuff.

I asked him how old they were. He said "They are vintage." So I told him that "vintage" was a meaningless word in this case. He says he's had them for 20 years.

If they turn out to be MM cups, I'll call him a liar and return them.
Message: Posted by: djkuttdecks (Jun 11, 2008 03:33PM)
Lol Bill
Message: Posted by: walid ahumada (Jun 11, 2008 03:48PM)
They were supossed to be custom-made
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Jun 11, 2008 03:49PM)
That can also be a meaningless term. He didn't know who "custom made" them.
Message: Posted by: fortasse (Jun 11, 2008 03:57PM)
Bill :

Why do you think they sold for so little...........uncertainty as to what they really were?.........or Recession Hits C&B Market as Cup Prices in Freefall (not a very likely headline, is it?.........at least not yet)

Fortasse
Message: Posted by: Richard Evans (Jun 11, 2008 04:06PM)
I would also have bid for them, but the seller wasn't willing to ship outside the USA. Who knows, he may have got a higher sale price - but Bill would probably still have outbid me :)
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Jun 11, 2008 05:56PM)
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On 2008-06-11 16:57, fortasse wrote:
Bill :

Why do you think they sold for so little...........uncertainty as to what they really were?.........or Recession Hits C&B Market as Cup Prices in Freefall (not a very likely headline, is it?.........at least not yet)

Fortasse
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The seller did not know who made them, and he was uncooperative.
Message: Posted by: rannie (Jun 11, 2008 10:01PM)
I looked at the photo and I do have a set just like it. Mine were JES cups.

Rannie
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Jun 11, 2008 11:57PM)
I strongly suspect that is what these are.
Message: Posted by: ShawnB (Jun 12, 2008 12:36PM)
Bill you beat me... I bid $108 at the last second and still two bids got in after me.

Good for you bad for me... if you don't mind when you get them could you let me know what they are. I am just wondering what I missed out on...

Best.

Shawn
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Jun 12, 2008 04:27PM)
I will let everyone know.


Posted: Jun 20, 2008 5:16pm
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Okay. Here's the deal. They are probably not Paul Fox cups. They are definitely not Magic Makers cups.

They most closely resemble the original JES Squatty Cups. These may have been a prototype of the JES cups. If Dr. Schweid can contact me off-list, I'll tell him the details of what I see on these cups, and he can let me know.

They just [i]might[/i] be a set of Paul Fox cups that were made from short cups.

They look sort of like the ones Jake makes, but there are a couple of noticeable differences.
Message: Posted by: walid ahumada (Jun 20, 2008 05:48PM)
Do they stack with other JES cups you have?
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Jun 20, 2008 07:55PM)
Yes. They also stack with the Paul Fox cups. Remember, the JES cups were modeled after a short Paul Fox cup that came in a mismatched set that Dr. Schweid had.

If this was the prototype set, then they were custom made for Dr. Schweid.

I found a couple of identifying marks on them that I haven't seen on any other sets of this general type of cup.
Message: Posted by: walid ahumada (Jun 21, 2008 10:35AM)
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On 2008-06-20 20:55, Bill Palmer wrote:

If this was the prototype set, then they were custom made for Dr. Schweid.


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then you've got a bargain.
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Jun 21, 2008 11:21AM)
I think so. I need to contact Dr. Schweid about them. They are definitely the same cups. The rollers used to make the shoulder beads actually give the situation away.
Message: Posted by: Mad Jake (Jun 21, 2008 09:04PM)
There were 3 blocks for the JES cups, noticible changes were in the saddle nose on all 3 blocks and the height of the cups.

The final block that was used was fine with the exception of the roller set, there is a flaw. The second roller was cut "too" deep when they tooled them and causes an excessive ring flair on the inside of the cup. This was the only thing that kept a lacrosse ball from fitting.

The "Doc" and I talked about just making a new set of rollers to correct this for the RNT II run, but then they wouldn't have been "Original" Squatty cups so we left it.

The Squatty II cups we fixed the ring flair issue added a ring and also made some changes to the saddle of the cup so balls nested better and the cups took lacrosse balls. We worked with the Doc's tooling and 2 PF/DD blocks we have in shop 1 being from the earlier days of Danny Dew and 1 block being from the original Rings N Things, who did the last known run of Danny Dew Paul Fox cups.

Doc also said how much trouble he had making the spinner he had understand what the cups were going to be used for, I remember him explaining the problems, which are really common with most spinners who don't understand the what the use of the prop is. These are evident in what Bill described to me on some of the cups.
Message: Posted by: pepka (Jun 22, 2008 07:22AM)
I hope you put comparison photos on the museum site, Bill.
Message: Posted by: fortasse (Jun 22, 2008 03:00PM)
Bill :

For the price paid.......well bought!

Fortasse
Message: Posted by: Richard Evans (Jun 22, 2008 03:43PM)
That's one of those sweet eBay moments when you pick up something for a complete bargain.
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Jun 25, 2008 11:42AM)
I just got a message from Dr. Schweid, in which he says that as far as he can tell, these are Squatty® cups. From other information I have gathered, I am fairly sure these are early ones.
Message: Posted by: MickeyPainless (Jun 25, 2008 02:26PM)
Another great addition to the museum, congrats Bill!